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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (10 Viewers)

I heard a Trumpster make a Godfather reference: Michael Cohen is Tessio, and Hillary is Barzini. Trump did not see it coming as Michael Corleone did, and thus was unable to "neutralize" Cohen. 

 
This won’t move the needle one bit.  Not one bit.  
No but this is the foundation for an awfully big snowball that is just starting to roll downhill. We’ll know by October what Mueller has, and there is no way he’s showing his hand. The only thing that is getting leaked is what they want leaked, that ship is airtight. 

 
Pffft

McKayla is not impressed. Still 44 convictions behind Watergate.

SORRY if this was already covered...

Who was the third GOP Congressman to publicly endorse/support DJT? As the first two have been indicted this month, just wondering where we're headed next.

 
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DOJ now: “U.S. Rep. Duncan D. Hunter and his wife, Margaret E. Hunter, were indicted by a federal grand jury today on charges that they converted more than $250,000 in campaign funds to pay for personal expenses ...”

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My Representative.

 
I ended up drinking too much white wine at a political function for my wife. Weeeeeee
Ohhh I see. Let’s see if I have this straight-

“Ridiculous randall146 and his beautiful wife, who has some sort of business being at a political function, has been spreading FAKE NEWS about me on football guys message board. No one has mentioned his LOVE for white wine, he must always be drunk. No cullusion. #foxandfriends”

 
The Future Champs said:
It has been a very good day.  Ranks up there with Hannity/3rd client and the weekend of the Trump Tower meeting reveal.  Here's to more good days ahead.   :suds:
I disagree with this type of thinking. These are dark days. We should not be celebrating indictments and witnesses flipping. I despise Trump as much as anyone, but as I read and hear often, we should be thinking about country first. And all of these days, even ones that bring bad people to justice, are not ones to be celebrated as our country continues to be torn in two. To celebrate on one side while the other stands firm just drives that wedge deeper. We should be celebrating when we come together over the truth, and I still don’t see that happening yet.

 
It may be better for the president and the country if this brings him down. If his family or himself had to face charges of conspiracy or some other Russia related offense it would be more damaging to the country. He goes down for some campaign finance violations, mueller investigates and we sanction Russia and do whatever else we need to do to secure our elections, and the rest gets swept under the rug in the best interest of the country. That’s the kind of thing the “deep state” might do. Offer clemency for conspiracy if he steps aside for campaign violations and avoid further embarrassment of the country. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
Pffft

McKayla is not impressed. Still 44 convictions behind Watergate.

SORRY if this was already covered...

Who was the third GOP Congressman to publicly endorse/support DJT? As the first two have been indicted this month, just wondering where we're headed next.
Jeff Sessions.

 
I think the saddest part about where Trump is these days is that he comes across as a victim, and a whiney crybaby.  Surely that is not the image that people thought they were electing.

Candidate Trump would be talking tough - about how he would fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, et al, if he were President.  President Trump just sits in the corner and whines.  At some point, even his supporters have to see that he is all bark, and no bite.
I like my wannabe fascist leader to be strong and tough - low energy whiner isn’t how I want my dictator.

 
President Trump’s real estate company authorized paying $420,000 to lawyer Michael Cohen in his effort to silence women during the presidential campaign and then relied on “sham” invoices from Cohen that concealed the nature of the payments, according to legal filings released Tuesday.

The payments began flowing in February 2017, soon after Trump took office, when Cohen approached Trump Organization executives seeking to be reimbursed for “election-related” expenses, prosecutors said.

That included a $130,000 payment Cohen had made to adult-film star Stormy Daniels so she would remain silent about an alleged affair with Trump, according to the court documents.

Trump executives decided Cohen should be paid more than he sought — an additional $360,000 for expenses and other fees and taxes, plus a $60,000 bonus, prosecutors said.

The involvement of Trump’s company in the hush-money payments has been previously reported, but Tuesday’s documents, released as part of Cohen’s plea deal with federal prosecutors, offered the most detailed accounting yet of the full scope of the payments and the machinations inside the president’s company over how they were made.

 
It may be better for the president and the country if this brings him down. If his family or himself had to face charges of conspiracy or some other Russia related offense it would be more damaging to the country. He goes down for some campaign finance violations, mueller investigates and we sanction Russia and do whatever else we need to do to secure our elections, and the rest gets swept under the rug in the best interest of the country. That’s the kind of thing the “deep state” might do. Offer clemency for conspiracy if he steps aside for campaign violations and avoid further embarrassment of the country. 
I don't see this being enough to bring him down. His base would be angry saying and giving examples of other politicians who violated campaign finance laws that weren't impeached. Granted those violations may have been much smaller and less significant towards the candidate actually winning an election. I would like to see some significant charges and would be best to silence his base if it was him having knowledge of and working with the Russians to get it done to make him the ultimate liar.

 
I think the saddest part about where Trump is these days is that he comes across as a victim, and a whiney crybaby.  Surely that is not the image that people thought they were electing.

Candidate Trump would be talking tough - about how he would fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, et al, if he were President.  President Trump just sits in the corner and whines.  At some point, even his supporters have to see that he is all bark, and no bite.
Yeah, but that’s how they all are, too. You’re talking about a bunch of internet trolls and conspiracy theorists, coupled with Evangelicals/conservatives who claim they literally believe that abortion is murder and gay marriage is an abomination and don’t do anything about it at all personally. Which is either untrue or pretty disgusting.  

Think about that. If you literally believe that babies are being murdered and you know where and you spend zero time and energy actually dealing with that on an annual basis. Why would Trump be out of character?

 
I disagree with this type of thinking. These are dark days. We should not be celebrating indictments and witnesses flipping. I despise Trump as much as anyone, but as I read and hear often, we should be thinking about country first. And all of these days, even ones that bring bad people to justice, are not ones to be celebrated as our country continues to be torn in two. To celebrate on one side while the other stands firm just drives that wedge deeper. We should be celebrating when we come together over the truth, and I still don’t see that happening yet.
Some justice being served and some people being held accountable for crimes they committed against the people of The United States is a good thing.

 
The main argument I’m hearing this morning from conservative sources is that the average working American doesn’t care about any of this. 

 
Yeah, but that’s how they all are, too. You’re talking about a bunch of internet trolls and conspiracy theorists, coupled with Evangelicals/conservatives who claim they literally believe that abortion is murder and gay marriage is an abomination and don’t do anything about it at all personally. Which is either untrue or pretty disgusting.  

Think about that. If you literally believe that babies are being murdered and you know where and you spend zero time and energy actually dealing with that on an annual basis. Why would Trump be out of character?
Conservatives seem to be way more willing to "play by the rules," something they've touted in here from time to time, even if they don't like the rules. Don't like the Electoral College? Too bad, change the constitution. Don't like not being able to make money by being a college athlete? Too bad, you knew what the rules were when you signed up.

We libweenies are much more comfortable flouting dumb rules. 

 
Also, the crowd in West Virginia last night shouted “Drain the Swamp!” and “Lock her up!” Apparently with no sense of irony whatsoever. 

 
Also, the crowd in West Virginia last night shouted “Drain the Swamp!” and “Lock her up!” Apparently with no sense of irony whatsoever. 
Serious question.  Do you think the average person at that WV rally last night has any sense to how ironic that was?    If you live in such an insulated Trump bubble it seems to me that you may not even comprehend the bigger picture.  These are the same people who are constantly out The Daily Show or the John Oliver show where their asked a question like “aren’t clothes being made in China horrible” as they wear a Made in China MAGA hat.  

 
This is all fun, but I do recommend that we all realize that Lanny Davis is always working for Lanny Davis  I’m sure he’s convinced Cohen that the best scenario for him is to be John Dean, but Cohen is not John Dean  

 
Matthias said:
Sean Hannity is thinking of doing an hour-long special of all of the crimes Donald Trump has not been accused of doing.
I see a forthcoming list of unsolved crimes/criminals that government resources should be devoted to instead of this, featuring things like finding the Zodiac killer, the whereabouts of Jesse Pinkman, and who left the upper decker in the studio's bathroom.

 
Lanny Davis, Michael Cohen's lawyer:

"Mr. Cohen would never accept a pardon from a man that he considers to be corrupt and a dangerous person in the Oval Office ... Mr. Cohen is not interested in being dirtied by a pardon from such a man."

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/22/640795902/michael-cohens-attorney-lanny-davis-speaks-out-about-guilty-pleas
This is strange. Generally once you get your deal you shut the #### up, and I don’t see how this helps Cohen one but right now. 

Maybe he is trying to rile up Trump at the behest of prosecutors? And Cohen’s wearing a permanent wire in case someone reaches out?

 

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