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Could be, but I think that is dangerous. Based on what we saw in midterms, even when an unpopular president is not on the ballot it can drive opposing party voters for all races. If/when he is, I wouldn't expect a different outcome. It's going to be very difficult for Republicans to distance themselves from Trump, particularly if they have been his shills for another 2 years.Put another way - the damage to the Republican party is pretty severe either way - but I think their thinking is it's worse if he gets impeached than if he just doesn't get re-elected.
$50K per day fine is peanuts. Obviously they have jurisdiction so start throwing people in jail until they comply.Darren SamuelsohnVerified account @dsamuelsohn
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NEW - More Mueller mystery grand jury maneuvering. A 246-word sealed motion just filed in the DC Circuit by the foreign company that's been held in contempt for defying what appears to be a special counsel subpoena.
When I originally read the bit about the fine (before the appeals and whatnot) I thought that the fine was supposed to go up incrementally if they didn't comply. But I haven't seen anything about that since.$50K per day fine is peanuts. Obviously they have jurisdiction so start throwing people in jail until they comply.
$50K per day might be the max; Bank of China was fined that a few years ago for not turning over records in a trademark / counterfeit goods case.When I originally read the bit about the fine (before the appeals and whatnot) I thought that the fine was supposed to go up incrementally if they didn't comply. But I haven't seen anything about that since.
Never? I 'm pretty positive they would have 2-3 years ago.I am pretty sure I covered this above. These were all for show. The GOP never had any intention of keeping the sanctions on...
It was for services rendered and it looks real bad to renege on a deal where the other party already came through?Had anyone offered a defense for lifting these sanctions?
This can't be a real quote. So we're at a place where the public face of the defense team for the President of the United States is laying the groundwork for us to find out that there was collusion between the campaign and Russia?The new goal posts, folks.
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Rudy Giuliani, on CNN: "I never said there was no collusion between people in the campaign" and Russians. And on Trump, "He said *he* didn't (collude with Russians.) He didn't say nobody."
6:11 PM - 16 Jan 2019
What goalpost? There is no goalpost here. You're the goalpost.Dear god Rudy...so we just moved the goalposts to Trump didn’t coordinate with Russia to hack the DNC, so there’s no crime (he literally said that). How long before that goalpost is moved itself?
Technically speaking - different statutes authorizing different investigations, with different end requirements.So Ken Starr's 480 page opus about cigars and blowies is available in its full glory, but Bill Barr thinks we're not going to see Mueller's report? OK, Bill.
It's ridiculous to think this is even possible.
As Cuomo pointed out to him, we already know there was, there’s just a bunch of people that don’t want to admit it to themselves.This can't be a real quote. So we're at a place where the public face of the defense team for the President of the United States is laying the groundwork for us to find out that there was collusion between the campaign and Russia?
Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cooooool.
Was going to post the same thing.This can't be a real quote. So we're at a place where the public face of the defense team for the President of the United States is laying the groundwork for us to find out that there was collusion between the campaign and Russia?
Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cooooool.
Completely inaccurateHey CNN. How about stop bringing people on that just blatantly lie? mkay?
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GIULIANI: Muellers people deleted 19,000 of Strzok and Pages SMS messages.
CUOMO: No, they recovered 19,000 SMS messages.
GIULIANI: But they were unable to recover the same number of SMS messages.
CUOMO: If they couldn't recover them how did they know how many there were?
Cool story bro. Giulliani just admitted that Trump's campaign colluded with Russia. Any thoughts on that?Completely inaccurate
the Inspector General recovered 19k texts from their FBI Samsung phones The iPhones they used when they worked for Mueller were wiped clean, Strzok when he turned his in, and Page when they found it in her office a few weeks after she left. This wouldn’t seem malicious except for the fact that the OSC knew they were being investigated by the OIG for, amongst other things, some of their texts.
Hey FakeNews86, where did I say there was evidence the iPhones were deliberately erased? Try reading a little closer before you slander people in hereHello Rove-bot!
Is see you're on last years software.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/dec/19/donald-trump/no-evidence-fbi-officials-texts-deliberately-erase/
Pleas update yourself before spreading fake news. TIA
"Oh, they got this all screwed up."This can't be a real quote. So we're at a place where the public face of the defense team for the President of the United States is laying the groundwork for us to find out that there was collusion between the campaign and Russia?
"Crime isn't even illegal!"""Oh, they got this all screwed up."
"So you never said, 'Trump is innocent! No collusion'?"
"What I said was, 'Trump is innocent? No, collusion!'
... oops, shouldn't have this bar association logo on there, either."
1. Nobody in the campaign had any contact with the Russians. (repeat hundreds of times)Just here for the CNN montage showing the umpty-four million times Rudy and others said "no one on the campaign colluded with the Russians".
Pretty sure “even if there were collusion it wouldn’t be a crime” was in there as well.1. Nobody in the campaign had any contact with the Russians. (repeat hundreds of times)
B. Oh yeah, there was a meeting about adoptions but Trump didn't know about it.
III. Okay, the meeting was about stolen data but Trump still didn't know about it.
» Sure I (Trump) met with the Russians but it was about a business deal!
® Of course there was collusion with the campaign and Russia but Trump didn't know about it!
Correct. Also "no collusion!" hundreds of times.Pretty sure “even if there were collusion it wouldn’t be a crime” was in there as well.
The look on their faces is priceless.
"Goalposts aren't goalposts."Dear god Rudy...so we just moved the goalposts to Trump didn’t coordinate with Russia to hack the DNC, so there’s no crime (he literally said that). How long before that goalpost is moved itself?
I get a chuckle just from Cuomo’s eyebrows.The look on their faces is priceless.
Why does Rudy looked shocked he said that
Super elite numbering system1. Nobody in the campaign had any contact with the Russians. (repeat hundreds of times)
B. Oh yeah, there was a meeting about adoptions but Trump didn't know about it.
III. Okay, the meeting was about stolen data but Trump still didn't know about it.
» Sure I (Trump) met with the Russians but it was about a business deal!
® Of course there was collusion with the campaign and Russia but Trump didn't know about it!
Maybe we need to look at the max here then. Go to 500k per day or something.$50K per day might be the max; Bank of China was fined that a few years ago for not turning over records in a trademark / counterfeit goods case.
Substitute the or for and... I’m guessing the two aren’t mutually exclusive.So, Re: Giuliani
What is the conventional wisdom here? A media story is about to drop and he is getting out in front, or Whittaker is feeding Trump information from the Mueller investigation?
If figure the end of it OS what you said or a variation of "we had to commit treason because Hillary would have won"What's the O/U on when we get to the end of this denial daisy-chain? "The President colluded, but he's allowed because he's the President."
The President may have colluded with Ukrainians, and Saudis, but never with Russians!What's the O/U on when we get to the end of this denial daisy-chain? "The President colluded, but he's allowed because he's the President."
History’s going to leave out Israel again, isn’t it?The President may have colluded with Ukrainians, and Saudis, but never with Russians!
wow...who could've guessed this a week ago....goal post update:
1. we don't know if the Russians hacked and if they wanted Trump to win
2. they may have hacked but I have no contacts, no business arrangements, my campaign had no contacts with Russians
3. well a couple people may have had contacts with Russians but was about helping Russian babies
4. well we may have had secret meetings to get dirt on Hillary but nothing happened
5. well there may have been dozens of meetings between nearly every member of the campaign (that every one of them lied about) and Russians it was all very normal, cool and legal
6. well there was an agreement to build Trump Moscow but the discussions ended in the beginning of 2016
7. well the Trump Moscow talks continued until the summer of 2016
8. well the Trump Moscow talks continued all the way up to the election but everyone knew it and it's completely normal to secretly discuss building a project to make hundreds of millions and lie about it for 2 years with the same counterparty that is hacking DNC / voting systems and undergoing a massive social media disinformation campaign
9. NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!, NO COLLUSION!,
10. Collusion isn't a crime and are crimes really crimes?
11. well there may have been collusion by the campaign manager during the campaign but Trump didn't know about it
12. ......(I can fill in the blanks..)