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The Top 300 Greatest TV Shows of All Time: FBG Consensus: 50 Lists received. 2: Seinfeld 1: Breaking Bad (13 Viewers)
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Hipsters hate it, in part because for the first part of its run it aired opposite Community and crushed it in the ratings. But BBT was the Friends of its era: a group of twenty- and thirtysomethings you grew to care about deeply thrust into situations that were usually hilarious. The producers quickly realized that Jim Parsons drove the show and put his Sheldon at the forefront of things, but also allowed him and the writers to develop the character so that it accomplished a rarity: Becoming LESS Flanderized over the course of the show's run. In the first two seasons, Sheldon is a parody of a neurodiverse nerd, but after that, he becomes much more nuanced and humanized, to the point where we grew to become emotionally invested in his friendships, romantic relationship and career -- even to the point where a spinoff about his childhood was eagerly anticipated and deservedly popular. And the guest stars the show pulled were every bit as astounding as those on Friends.76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Instinctive 10
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
As I was saying.Hipsters hate it76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
Scoresman
Footballguy
For what it's worth I also really disliked Friends, except for a select few scenes/lines.Hipsters hate it, in part because for the first part of its run it aired opposite Community and crushed it in the ratings. But BBT was the Friends of its era: a group of twenty- and thirtysomethings you grew to care about deeply thrust into situations that were usually hilarious. The producers quickly realized that Jim Parsons drove the show and put his Sheldon at the forefront of things, but also allowed him and the writers to develop the character so that it accomplished a rarity: Becoming LESS Flanderized over the course of the show's run. In the first two seasons, Sheldon is a parody of a neurodiverse nerd, but after that, he becomes much more nuanced and humanized, to the point where we grew to become emotionally invested in his friendships, romantic relationship and career -- even to the point where a spinoff about his childhood was eagerly anticipated and deservedly popular. And the guest stars the show pulled were every bit as astounding as those on Friends.76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Yeah, if you're not a fan of Friends, you're not going to be a fan of this either.For what it's worth I also really disliked Friends, except for a select few scenes/lines.Hipsters hate it, in part because for the first part of its run it aired opposite Community and crushed it in the ratings. But BBT was the Friends of its era: a group of twenty- and thirtysomethings you grew to care about deeply thrust into situations that were usually hilarious. The producers quickly realized that Jim Parsons drove the show and put his Sheldon at the forefront of things, but also allowed him and the writers to develop the character so that it accomplished a rarity: Becoming LESS Flanderized over the course of the show's run. In the first two seasons, Sheldon is a parody of a neurodiverse nerd, but after that, he becomes much more nuanced and humanized, to the point where we grew to become emotionally invested in his friendships, romantic relationship and career -- even to the point where a spinoff about his childhood was eagerly anticipated and deservedly popular. And the guest stars the show pulled were every bit as astounding as those on Friends.76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
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Thank you. I have never been considered a hipster but I am DEFINITELY adding it to my email signature now
As I was saying.Hipsters hate it76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Hipsters hate it, in part because for the first part of its run it aired opposite Community and crushed it in the ratings. But BBT was the Friends of its era: a group of twenty- and thirtysomethings you grew to care about deeply thrust into situations that were usually hilarious. The producers quickly realized that Jim Parsons drove the show and put his Sheldon at the forefront of things, but also allowed him and the writers to develop the character so that it accomplished a rarity: Becoming LESS Flanderized over the course of the show's run. In the first two seasons, Sheldon is a parody of a neurodiverse nerd, but after that, he becomes much more nuanced and humanized, to the point where we grew to become emotionally invested in his friendships, romantic relationship and career -- even to the point where a spinoff about his childhood was eagerly anticipated and deservedly popular. And the guest stars the show pulled were every bit as astounding as those on Friends.76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
This is a good write up - also, and maybe this only applies to me but it was a great show to watch with my wife. We don’t agree on a lot of television and our sense of humors are fairly different but this was one we both enjoyed a lot.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
Other than White Lotus you mean..
Scoresman
Footballguy
True, but White Lotus isn't done airing which affects ranking. The one I'm talking about is.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Same here. In fact, I started watching this, about halfway through the first season, because she was watching it.Hipsters hate it, in part because for the first part of its run it aired opposite Community and crushed it in the ratings. But BBT was the Friends of its era: a group of twenty- and thirtysomethings you grew to care about deeply thrust into situations that were usually hilarious. The producers quickly realized that Jim Parsons drove the show and put his Sheldon at the forefront of things, but also allowed him and the writers to develop the character so that it accomplished a rarity: Becoming LESS Flanderized over the course of the show's run. In the first two seasons, Sheldon is a parody of a neurodiverse nerd, but after that, he becomes much more nuanced and humanized, to the point where we grew to become emotionally invested in his friendships, romantic relationship and career -- even to the point where a spinoff about his childhood was eagerly anticipated and deservedly popular. And the guest stars the show pulled were every bit as astounding as those on Friends.76 - The Big Bang Theory
Comedy
Score: 388
Average Rank: 27.9
A woman who moves into an apartment across the hall from two brilliant but socially awkward physicists shows them how little they know about life outside of the laboratory.
List Breakdown
Brutal Penquin 16
AAABatteries 20
Pip's Invitation 21
UncleZen 21
Gally 22
zamboni 37
turnjose7 49
Dr Octopus 55
This is a good write up - also, and maybe this only applies to me but it was a great show to watch with my wife. We don’t agree on a lot of television and our sense of humors are fairly different but this was one we both enjoyed a lot.
If anyone has never seen it and wants to check it out, I would suggest skipping the first season. It's vastly inferior to the others.
krista4
Footballguy
+1 Never got the appeal of Friends, and have never seen Big Bang Theory and will keep it that way.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Thought about including it but I think I had an aversion to putting sketch comedy shows on the list for some reason. For unknown reasons I just didn't consider them for a list like this.
northern exposure
Footballguy
Don't forget Big Head falling *** backwards into success all the time.79 - Silicon Valley
Comedy
Score: 370
Average Rank: 34
In the high-tech gold rush of modern Silicon Valley, the people most qualified to succeed are the least capable of handling success...
List Breakdown
Frostillicus 13
kupcho1 21
Maik Jeaunz 28
Dr Octopus 34
gr00vus 35
Dan Lambskin 44
The Gator 47
Binky 53
McBokonon 60
Huge fan of this show, obviously, and have watched the entire series several times. Gilfoyle vs. Danesh, Erlich vs. Jian-Yiang, Jared vs. himself (and Holden), Jian-Yiang vs. everyone, etc. Constant hilarity, even if each season follows the same, fairly predictable, format.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Sketch comedy shows / variety shows did really well in my rankings - with In Living Color and SCTV already revealed and 5 or 6 left on my list to be revealed (hopefully). A couple others just missed the cut too.
Scoresman
Footballguy
75 - Dark
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/HorrorScore: 389
Average Rank: 32.1
A family saga with a supernatural twist, set in a German town where the disappearance of two young children exposes the relationships among four families.
List Breakdown
The Gator 3Tick 5kupcho1 10Scoresman 13
Bottomfeeder Sports 21
Yo Mama 40
Chaos34 51
Dan Lambskin 57
Nick Vermeil 58
shuke 63
northern exposure
Footballguy
And Root's character in Dodgeball as well.And Stephen Root. The show doesn't work without him. The staff of the radio station is as chaotic as they are because of Jimmy James.Awesome! I was afraid this one was going to overlooked and slip through the cracks.80 - NewsRadio
Comedy
Score: 369
Average Rank: 37.5
The workplace sitcom "NewsRadio" explores the office politics and interpersonal relationships among the staff of WNYX NewsRadio...
List Breakdown
whoknew 17
Hastur 25
landrys hat 29
kupcho1 29
turnjose7 40
shuke 42
Don Quixote 46
Barry2 52
UncleZen 58
Yo Mama 69
What a cast - Phil Hartman, Maura Tierney, Dave Foley, Andy ****, Joe Rogan . . .
Playing a character that's the complete opposite of his Milton from Office Space, to boot.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I think Dark has 2 things going against it that make it less accessible
1. It's in German
2. You almost need a wiki companion guide to follow what's happening.
But if you can get over that, it's one of the best time travel stories put to TV. Great story, satisfying conclusion. If plotlines like" somebody's daughter is also their mother and at the same time their own grandmother" appeals to you, watch this.
1. It's in German
2. You almost need a wiki companion guide to follow what's happening.
But if you can get over that, it's one of the best time travel stories put to TV. Great story, satisfying conclusion. If plotlines like" somebody's daughter is also their mother and at the same time their own grandmother" appeals to you, watch this.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I would have included this but I got rid of NetFlix so never saw past season 2. It was definitely different and well done.75 - Dark
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 389
Average Rank: 32.1
A family saga with a supernatural twist, set in a German town where the disappearance of two young children exposes the relationships among four families.
List Breakdown
Scoresman 13
Bottomfeeder Sports 21
Yo Mama 40
Chaos34 51
Dan Lambskin 57
Nick Vermeil 58
shuke 63
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Not the one I expected so my very short blurb will work on multiple levels...75 - Dark
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 389
Average Rank: 32.1
A family saga with a supernatural twist, set in a German town where the disappearance of two young children exposes the relationships among four families.
List Breakdown
Scoresman 13
Bottomfeeder Sports 21
Yo Mama 40
Chaos34 51
Dan Lambskin 57
Nick Vermeil 58
shuke 63
Dark
Totally cught me by surprise...
Yo Mama
Footballguy
This was the foreign language show that I mentioned way back when we were talking about Squid Game. For those not into foreign language shows, I highly recommend giving this one a try. It’s awesome.75 - Dark
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 389
Average Rank: 32.1
A family saga with a supernatural twist, set in a German town where the disappearance of two young children exposes the relationships among four families.
List Breakdown
Scoresman 13
Bottomfeeder Sports 21
Yo Mama 40
Chaos34 51
Dan Lambskin 57
Nick Vermeil 58
shuke 63
The Gator
Footballguy
Yuuuup
The Gator
Footballguy
And they tie it up very nicelyI would have included this but I got rid of NetFlix so never saw past season 2. It was definitely different and well done.75 - Dark
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 389
Average Rank: 32.1
A family saga with a supernatural twist, set in a German town where the disappearance of two young children exposes the relationships among four families.
List Breakdown
Scoresman 13
Bottomfeeder Sports 21
Yo Mama 40
Chaos34 51
Dan Lambskin 57
Nick Vermeil 58
shuke 63
krista4
Footballguy
It's very high on my to-watch list, but it's this part that makes me hesitate every time I decide it's going to be next.
Scoresman
Footballguy
It's a little exaggerated honestly. There are times when I would go and confirm my understanding of something after an episode, but it's mostly smaller details.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
It’s sometimes helpful when connecting who’s who in the different timelines, but if I can keep up you shouldn’t have too many issues.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well the good thing is you have to pay attention to read the subtitles - unless you speak German. I can understand German a little but definitely needed subtitles so kept me from looking at my phone.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Did Heinlein write it?
Instinctive
Footballguy
Sounds like two ingredients for an amazing show...
We obviously have very different consumption habits here. Kind of neat to see them meld.
The Gator
Footballguy
I can translate 42% of the German language thanks to Dark. Definitely know when someone is tots.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you mean here.
This show sounds interesting.
I'm currently watching The Crown. Is there some reason they didn't pay the power bill? Most of the indoor scenes are so dark, I can't tell WTF is going on. Please tell me Dark is not all that dark.
Instinctive
Footballguy
What I mean is: Im literally never watching stuff that's not in a language I speak. I can't stand subtitles. I'm not going to that level of effort, I find it more draining than entertaining. And dubs are even worse, they're distracting.
Then add the "the shows plotline is super confusing and difficult to follow" description...I have no idea why one would intentionally be psyched for that.
Obviously that stuff can be good - note how I didn't say something was better or worse for it - just look at how many people ranked it and where it landed on the list!
Which I think is kind of neat to see how that melds into a giant group list. And I wonder if that same set of very different consumption habits is gonna reveal some shows that I will want to watch but never encountered. Thus my choice of words.
kupcho1
Footballguy
There's so much I rarely rewatch anything, and when I do 99 times out of 100 it is a comedy.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Needing outlines, flow charts, and a family tree to understand a show starts to sound like homework to me.
I am in this same boat. I won't say I will never watch something that is subtitled but it does take something away from the viewing experience for me. I feel I am too busy reading and miss non verbal stuff because I am reading instead of watching.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Other than the tone (it's dark, get it?), binging the show will alleviate this issue somewhat. I can't remember character names for any show, so having to wait for seasons to release was a problem. And it still made my list.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
My opinion is that it is worth it, and you get used to it. In some genres like horror, i think most non-US movies do it better.
Another thing you find is you dont need to know every word. (Ok, maybe for Dark you might.
) I'd bet most of us miss dialogue when we watch shows and movies in our language.
The Gator
Footballguy
Worth it.
Needing outlines, flow charts, and a family tree to understand a show starts to sound like homework to me.
Also, you don’t “need it” if your phone is in the other room and you can read lol. It is a nice reference after an episode, especially for S3
Keith R
The Don
I hate watching comedies at my mom's house because she always has the closed captioning on and any nuance in delivered punchlines is diluted by reading them 3 seconds beforehand. That said, I can handle subtitles in any other genre (and will tolerate them in foreign comedies that are highly recommended).My opinion is that it is worth it, and you get used to it. In some genres like horror, i think most non-US movies do it better.
Another thing you find is you dont need to know every word. (Ok, maybe for Dark you might.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
I found the family tree stuff harder to follow along with in Game of Thrones than in Dark.
Needing outlines, flow charts, and a family tree to understand a show starts to sound like homework to me.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
BBT- I don’t hate it as much as I used to, we have the re-runs on as background noise a lot. It’s fine but pretty paint by numbers
Outside of the short hair season…Penny
Outside of the short hair season…Penny
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Dark - I originally had much higher like 20s or 30s I think but then I bumped it down quite a bit
It’s good but a bit convoluted and the final season kind of lost me
I like smart TV but not something i need a damn flowchart for
It’s good but a bit convoluted and the final season kind of lost me
I like smart TV but not something i need a damn flowchart for
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
There are drawbacks, i can agree. I have also had plots spoiled by CC as they post a character name.I hate watching comedies at my mom's house because she always has the closed captioning on and any nuance in delivered punchlines is diluted by reading them 3 seconds beforehand. That said, I can handle subtitles in any other genre (and will tolerate them in foreign comedies that are highly recommended).My opinion is that it is worth it, and you get used to it. In some genres like horror, i think most non-US movies do it better.
Another thing you find is you dont need to know every word. (Ok, maybe for Dark you might.
We live by the interstate, so i have them on a lot when we have windows open.
New Binky the Doormat
Footballguy
I love subtitles - really enjoyed "Taboo" and "Peaky Blinders" with them - otherwise I would have missed at least half of it
krista4
Footballguy
OK, this is a helpful comparison for me. I did find GoT hard to follow sometimes in terms of that stuff, so I took to reading the episode summaries afterward, in case I missed anything. I also had OH who had read the books and watched the show already. I'll just take a similar approach to Dark (minus the OH part, since he hasn't seen it either).
kupcho1
Footballguy
My all-time favorite were the Pikey subtitles in Snatch.
Rand al Thor
Footballguy
I totally forgot about Dark; it would have made my list for sure. I thought they did a good job connecting things that I originally thought weren't connected at all. Yes, I had to go read an online debriefing after each episode to see what I missed, but I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. I thought it was very ambitious, complicated, and I was completely into it. It should have been in my top 30.
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