The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Why can't I get a text message telling me to read my email. Way to go FBG.

EXACTLY

 

[Vinny999]

Ogbonnaya played 52% of snaps last week (33) where as Richardson played 62% (39). I'm grabbing Ogbonnaya for ####s.

Did you watch the game? Ogbonnaya was mostly playing fullback and he looked awful, missing blocks left and right from what I saw.

 

[Legion of Doom]

@HubbuchNYP: Interesting idea theyve got in Cleveland to remake Major League with an NFL team. Is Charlie Sheen in this one, too?

The Browns better hope the warlock is onboard as that's the only way they'll be close to winning anytime soon!

 

[apalmer]

Why can't I get a text message telling me to read my email. Way to go FBG.

EXACTLY

Hey, I gave Joe my phone number for occasions just like this. Why didn't he call me? Then I could have picked up a pure garbage running back on a terrible team to save my season.

 

[msudaisy26]

Richardson is another Jonathon Stewart...Cleveland realized this and got rid of him before he is out with an injury which will put him on the bench for half the season.

So they were going to draft another running back in the first round and pay him big money and watch them split carries?

 

[Man of Zen]

Oh and one more thing, people please stop whining about not getting emails and take responsibility a little for running your team(s). Twitter exploded around 6:30 tonight so if you had any presence there you couldn't help but notice it. Email is like waiting for Paul Revere to come tell you the Redcoats are coming! Had enough time to grab Obiwankannobe on waivers 14 minutes before 7pm for our blind bidding deadline. Just saying...FBG can't do everything for everyone and this was out of left field and struck everyone as fake at first. And btw, I am not even a subscriber here anymore just saying let's be reasonable about this folks!

Just because you can cook doesn't mean it's okay if McDonald's takes forever to make you a hamburger.

 

[buck naked]

Was just offered Cj2k and Fitzy for T-rich in PPR redraft. Might have to jump on it.

Keep us informed. I'm on pins and needles!

 

[Rick James]

Wtf do you even need the email for? Everything u need to know is in this thread.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Oh and one more thing, people please stop whining about not getting emails and take responsibility a little for running your team(s). Twitter exploded around 6:30 tonight so if you had any presence there you couldn't help but notice it. Email is like waiting for Paul Revere to come tell you the Redcoats are coming! Had enough time to grab Obiwankannobe on waivers 14 minutes before 7pm for our blind bidding deadline. Just saying...FBG can't do everything for everyone and this was out of left field and struck everyone as fake at first. And btw, I am not even a subscriber here anymore just saying let's be reasonable about this folks!

you probably should've waited for the e-mail

 

[Mister CIA]

Wtf do you even need the email for? Everything u need to know is in this thread.

Kippy F5, ###### ######!

 

[beef]

I still haven't received my "Ponder is still the suck" Breaking news e-mail. It has me very angry.

I got that one a year ago.

 

[msudaisy26]

Sportscenter just led off with this story obviously and they led in the Cleveland Browns trade T. Richardson in a trade that screams "Your move Jaguars" LOL

 

[LittlePhatty]

Reeks of collusion. I'm sure the other NFL owners will vote it down.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think we are missing the big picture in all of this. Since they have moved to Indy are the Colts the luckiest franchise on the face of the earth?

They pick Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf

They trade Marshall Faulk only to have Edge James fill his role

Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne have both played well into their mid 30's

The Colts play one of the worst teams ever to make a Super Bowl, led by Rex Grossman and win a Super Bowl

Peyton Manning never misses a start, ever, when he final does it is for an entire year and it happens to be the year Andrew Luck is coming out of college

The Cleveland Browns get a terrible new owner and they steal a franchise back that is 22 years old, or 23 depends on what site you look at.

 

[Aerial Assault]

I still haven't received my "Ponder is still the suck" Breaking news e-mail. It has me very angry.

I got that one a year ago.

And great thread. By the way, I received my update from Bryant Boats' correspondent in Cleveland yesterday confirming that this deal was in the works and had a 90% chance of going forward. Sorry if the rest of you weren't in the loop.

 

[Treesarepeopletoo]

Colts got fleeced. Trent Richardson WAS a high draft pick. He's been a bust in the NFL (3.5 YPC career). The fact that the Browns can get a first round draft pick in return for this guy is amazing. I don't know the stats but this guy has no explosion, never breaks off big runs. He's a power back, ok, there are a ton of them. Hell, Peyton FREAKING Hillis put up better numbers in 2010 with arguably a worse supporting cast and matched Richardsons 3.6 YPC his last season there, the season before he was drafted. Trent Richardson isn't a great RB by any stretch of the imagination and he'll go to Indy and put up similar numbers, maybe he'll break the 4 YPC barrier one season. I'm not a fan of the Browns but if all they got back was a second round draft pick I would have thought they made out like bandits. Don't worry, I'll bump this at the end of the season

 

[Bob Magaw]

thinking about trades inevitably seems binary... either colts or browns won...

possibly it could be both...

reportedly a lot of NFL personnel types like browns in this trade*...

if richardson makes colts better, like deep in the playoffs better (but defense would seem to preclude this), could be a low first...

browns seem to have been looking ahead to 2014 even during the 2013 draft (had lot of needs, did trade for next year's pick)...

some are citing richardson's low YPC average... if you think luck is a teeny bit better than weedon, may not be a stunner if that average heads north in a hurry...

probably he was overdrafted, but #3 overall RB is pretty rare i think (peterson wasn't even that)... ki-jana carter was i think #1 overall (that didn't work out so well, tore his ACL immediately at a time when it was a far more serious injury than today)... in the 2005 draft, auburn teammates ronnie brown and caddillac williams went #2 and #5 overall (sandwiching braylon edwards at #3 and cedric benson at #4)...

he was called by some scouts the best prospect since peterson... i thought his highlights looked pretty dominant (on a different level than ingram and even lacy)...

this is the kind of move that could elevate the entire IND offense...

nightmare scenario for CLE is IND goes to playoffs, later 1st, JAX and OAK are worse than they are, maybe they are able to trade up by packaging their first and colts for possible blue chip QB... and he busts - OOF!

there is some risk on part of IND, as well, richardson has been dinged up in just a short time, and has a violent, contact-friendly running style...

good point by daniel jeremiah that banner came from PHI where they got westbrook in third and mccoy in second...

there have been some rumblings that richardson needs to grow up... it would be hard to imagine a better possible influence than luck, in that department...

* cross posted from another one of the 70 or 80 richardson threads...

excerpt - "A defensive coordinator noted how hard Alabama head coach Nick Saban works his backs, pointed to Richardson's injury issues already in his brief career and texted: "If he can stay healthy, he's a good RB. But the injury bug is a big question mark."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/23721420/a-first-round-pick-for-trent-richardson-no-brainer-for-browns

** first rounders don't trade hands that often...

keyshawn and galloway once fetched two each, but you don't see trades like that any more...

to those that thought IND stole richardson, SEA was able to acquire harvin for a first, that MIN knew would almost certainly be a low first (not unlike this situation, but even lower)...

i don't recall there being a similar consensus on the board here at the time that SEA "robbed" MIN?

is richardson slam dunk better than harvin... i have my doubts about that... richardson still somewhat unproven in NFL... harvin one of top WRs in NFL... richardson was higher pedigree...

there are some differences... CLE already had richardson signed to a contract... harvin may not have wanted to be in MIN any more, they would have had to sign him to a massive contract, maybe they took what they could get?

harvin had some health issues (missed second half of 2012, but SEA medical staff vetted him, than he injured hip and expected to miss at least first half of 2013)... richardson has had some as well, arguably not as bad, but he hasn't been in the league as long...

richardson just 22 or 23, but not like harvin is old at 25...

just making the point that if harvin is arguably more accomplished than richardson, and MIN didn't get robbed by fetching "only" a first, maybe CLE didn't get taken to the cleaners, either... there does seem to be that common perception, no doubt because CLE spent a third overall on richardson just last year...

maybe RBs are sort of like new cars... you drive a $30,000 car off the lot, SAME DAY (let alone year later), it isn't worth $30,000 any more...

 

[fatness]

ESPN Cleveland

The Browns blew up their offensive team on Wednesday and essentially announced they will be a player for the top quarterback in the 2014 draft – whomever that may be.

In the morning, they turned over the starting quarterback duties to Brian Hoyer and benched receiver Greg Little. After practice they dropped the bombshell – trading running back Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for the Colts’ first-round draft pick in 2014.

some guy

Browns general manger in attempt to update to iOS 7, somehow trades Trent Richardson on accident

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I don't know the stats but this guy has no explosion, never breaks off big runs.

Before the trade went down, it was being discussed on Cleveland radio that he had less 15+ runs last year than any back with 200+ carries. That includes Shonn Greene and Michael Turner.

 

[msudaisy26]

Hindsight is always 20/20, but in the here and now I find it hard to say the Colts didn't win this trade. They just got a guy that had a very good rookie year that was going to be drafted in the top 10 even if Browns didn't take him. They paid a 1st,4th, and 7th to get Richardson too, and just over a year later he is traded with what should be at best the 15th pick.

This is just like playing poker, sometimes you make all the right moves but you get unlucky and lose. The Colts made the right move, but in the end some stuff that is out of their control could make the trade look better for the Browns

 

[cstu]

some are citing richardson's low YPC average... if you think luck is a teeny bit better than weedon, may not be a stunner if that average heads north in a hurry...

I'm willing to take any bet that Richardson averages over 4 YPC the rest of the season with the Colts.

 

[Donnybrook]

Richardson is another Jonathon Stewart...Cleveland realized this and got rid of him before he is out with an injury which will put him on the bench for half the season.

So they were going to draft another running back in the first round and pay him big money and watch them split carries?

Daniel Jeremiah is suggesting that Joe Banner will be looking for a running back later in the draft based on where he took Westbrooke and McCoy.

 

[Raider Nation]

John Clayton was on SportsCenter. The anchor says to him "For the record, the Browns say they are not giving up on the 2013 season."

Clayton laughed.

 

[meyerj31]

Was just offered Cj2k and Fitzy for T-rich in PPR redraft. Might have to jump on it.

And you didn't take that why?

For reals?

Indy plays SF and SEA in the next three weeks, plus Trich doesn't know the offense. You would be flat out ######ed not to take that offer.

 

[The Dude]

I get a kick out of the snobs looking down at the guys here that expected an e-mail

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Richardson is another Jonathon Stewart...Cleveland realized this and got rid of him before he is out with an injury which will put him on the bench for half the season.

So they were going to draft another running back in the first round and pay him big money and watch them split carries?

Daniel Jeremiah is suggesting that Joe Banner will be looking for a running back later in the draft based on where he took Westbrooke and McCoy.

Did Joe Banner make draft decisions in Philly?

 

[JOBOOZOSO]

some are citing richardson's low YPC average... if you think luck is a teeny bit better than weedon, may not be a stunner if that average heads north in a hurry...

I'm willing to take any bet that Richardson averages over 4 YPC the rest of the season with the Colts.

Careful - Indy's O-line sucks.

 

[Fallerjw]

So in case you don't remember, the browns traded up from #4 to #3 to grab Trent Richardson LOL.

So this is 2012 first (4th overall), fourth (118th overall), fifth (139th overall), and seventh round (211th overall) selections from 2012 for a likely lower 1/3 2014 first rounder....

Can't change the past. Sunk costs don't always retain their old value.

 

[Village Idiot]

And now the obligatory "Trent Richardson sucks" posts from Brown fans...

We don't have to say that, look at his stats.

But, they might be due to the crappy guards, lack of NFL quality full back, and lack of passing threat.

Good luck to Trent with the Colts, he is a class act.

Even with Trent, the Browns were winning 3 games maybe.

They are truly awful on offense, and I'm a Browns fan.

 

[Faust]

Reeks of collusion. I'm sure the other NFL owners will vote it down.

They allowed the Harbaugh brothers to swap Boldin for a sixth round draft pick, so clearly this one will stand!

 

[tommyGunZ]

What does this mean for Gordon and Cameron?

IMHO, it shouldn't change too much for Gordon and Cameron. The Browns were going to be throwing a lot this year anyway.

The major uptick IMHO should be Davone Bess. For PPR, he might turn into a legit beef eater this season. All of those short perimeter catches that used to go to Richardson are now going to be split by Cameron and Bess, however Gordon and Cameron are going to be drawing the majority of the coverage from defenders. Defenses will concede Bess underneath - "Go ahead, see if you can nickel and dime us to death, we just aren't going to give up the big play"

For the short term, this trade obviously benefits the Colts a little more. Over the long term, this trade IMHO is a lose/lose situation. With the current CBA, with the four year rookie contracts, Luck is just about guaranteed a large re-up. If Richardson does very well, he's going to demand a large re-up on the same timetable as Luck. Along with their spending spree this offseason, it's going to start to hamstring the Colts very soon cap wise. If Richardson does middling to poorly, you let him go, losing that valuable first round pick and those cost controlled rookie years in the process. From a resource management perspective, Grigson has to ask himself if he could have gotten 80 percent of Richardson's production at 10 percent of the cost.

From what I'm hearing around the league, Grigson was over ruled on this trade. Not much different than the Yankees GM, Brian Cashman, getting over ruled when he wants to take a pass on a signing or trade and the rest of the ownership and management do it anyway. He was also apparently over ruled on many instances this off season. The valuation of draft picks in general, esp first day ones, has changed since the last CBA/labor war. People want to cite that it's a late first rounder, but it's still a cost controlled rookie contract where teams like the Ravens and Steelers have often mined the late first round for good value. The word out is Grigson wanted a cheaper alternative for this season in terms of trade acquisition. Positional value means that at a resource management level, running back is probably the position that carries the highest depreciation post draft day. Trent Richardson is not worth a first round pick IMHO. He's just not. The Irsays should have just let Grigson build this team slow and steady the way real contenders are built.

Neither Richardson nor McGahee know their new playbooks, Mac might know the basics from his Chud days, but he's still coming off of injury, old, and being slotted into a new team/system on the fly. Mid season trades make much more sense for baseball than they ever will for football, where rapport, tenure within a unit and unit cohesion matter.

On the Browns rushing attack, Mac, SnatchDoc and Rain Man are all like a plate of day old biscuits. Pick the one that will give you passing down Kevin Faulk lite value, this team is going to be throwing, in garbage time and throwing some more.

Trent is just in year 2, so he's got almost 3 full season on that cost controlled rookie contract.

 

[zDragon]

Oh and one more thing, people please stop whining about not getting emails and take responsibility a little for running your team(s). Twitter exploded around 6:30 tonight so if you had any presence there you couldn't help but notice it. Email is like waiting for Paul Revere to come tell you the Redcoats are coming! Had enough time to grab Obiwankannobe on waivers 14 minutes before 7pm for our blind bidding deadline. Just saying...FBG can't do everything for everyone and this was out of left field and struck everyone as fake at first. And btw, I am not even a subscriber here anymore just saying let's be reasonable about this folks!

I don't subscribe but I would expect them to treat the people paying them more quickly than everyone else out there. I subscribe to the Twitter feeds and podcast. I find it funny I was ahead of everyone that gave them money.

 

[az_prof]

Why would Norv Turner trade a young workhorse - that's his bread and butter.

Norv must not think that he's that good.

 

[tim_whatley]

Reeks of collusion. I'm sure the other NFL owners will vote it down.

 

[tim_whatley]

Why would Norv Turner trade a young workhorse - that's his bread and butter.

Norv must not think that he's that good.

Like Norv has any say in the deal. He's just happy to have a job.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

from PFF

In Cleveland, Richardson was a talented back that was held back by the players around him. In 2012 he averaged 3.6 yards per carry and that was down to 3.4 early in 2013. On the plus side, he’s forced 14 missed tackles on him, which is tied for the best in the league so far.

One of Richardson’s biggest problems has been facing eight defensive players in the box too often. By defining players in the box as all defensive linemen, linebackers and safeties within eight yards of the line of scrimmage, Richardson faced eight or more men on the box on 52.6 percent of his carries. On those carries, he averaged just 3.2 yards per carry. When it was seven or fewer in the box, that was up to 3.9 yards per carry. With Andrew Luck at quarterback, teams can’t put eight in the box to stop Richardson as often as they used to.

In Indianapolis, the Colts have used 11 personnel (aka three receiver sets) on 46.2 percent of their offensive plays. This should only go up with Dwayne Allen landing on injured reserve. Teams typically respond to three receiver sets with a nickel defense (only six men in the box). Richardson has had 42 carries in those situations, and has averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

In Indianapolis he should get a similar number of opportunities. He will be used as a feature back, but will get taken out in some passing situations. Richardson has allowed five pressures this year which is the most for all running backs. Ahmad Bradshaw, meanwhile, is one of the best pass blocking backs in the league.

 

[Mister CIA]

I get a kick out of the snobs looking down at the guys here that expected an e-mail

I got an email. Did you?

 

[az_prof]

from PFF

In Cleveland, Richardson was a talented back that was held back by the players around him. In 2012 he averaged 3.6 yards per carry and that was down to 3.4 early in 2013. On the plus side, he’s forced 14 missed tackles on him, which is tied for the best in the league so far.

One of Richardson’s biggest problems has been facing eight defensive players in the box too often. By defining players in the box as all defensive linemen, linebackers and safeties within eight yards of the line of scrimmage, Richardson faced eight or more men on the box on 52.6 percent of his carries. On those carries, he averaged just 3.2 yards per carry. When it was seven or fewer in the box, that was up to 3.9 yards per carry. With Andrew Luck at quarterback, teams can’t put eight in the box to stop Richardson as often as they used to.

In Indianapolis, the Colts have used 11 personnel (aka three receiver sets) on 46.2 percent of their offensive plays. This should only go up with Dwayne Allen landing on injured reserve. Teams typically respond to three receiver sets with a nickel defense (only six men in the box). Richardson has had 42 carries in those situations, and has averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

In Indianapolis he should get a similar number of opportunities. He will be used as a feature back, but will get taken out in some passing situations. Richardson has allowed five pressures this year which is the most for all running backs. Ahmad Bradshaw, meanwhile, is one of the best pass blocking backs in the league.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 7 men in the box standard formation? 4/3--four lineman and three linebackers. If he has 3.9 ypc with 7 in the box that is still below average.

 

[shader]

from PFF

In Cleveland, Richardson was a talented back that was held back by the players around him. In 2012 he averaged 3.6 yards per carry and that was down to 3.4 early in 2013. On the plus side, hes forced 14 missed tackles on him, which is tied for the best in the league so far.

One of Richardsons biggest problems has been facing eight defensive players in the box too often. By defining players in the box as all defensive linemen, linebackers and safeties within eight yards of the line of scrimmage, Richardson faced eight or more men on the box on 52.6 percent of his carries. On those carries, he averaged just 3.2 yards per carry. When it was seven or fewer in the box, that was up to 3.9 yards per carry. With Andrew Luck at quarterback, teams cant put eight in the box to stop Richardson as often as they used to.

In Indianapolis, the Colts have used 11 personnel (aka three receiver sets) on 46.2 percent of their offensive plays. This should only go up with Dwayne Allen landing on injured reserve. Teams typically respond to three receiver sets with a nickel defense (only six men in the box). Richardson has had 42 carries in those situations, and has averaged 4.8 yards per carry.In Indianapolis he should get a similar number of opportunities. He will be used as a feature back, but will get taken out in some passing situations. Richardson has allowed five pressures this year which is the most for all running backs. Ahmad Bradshaw, meanwhile, is one of the best pass blocking backs in the league.

Welcome to the NFL, Trent

 

[jdoggydogg]

Colts got fleeced. Trent Richardson WAS a high draft pick. He's been a bust in the NFL (3.5 YPC career). The fact that the Browns can get a first round draft pick in return for this guy is amazing. I don't know the stats but this guy has no explosion, never breaks off big runs. He's a power back, ok, there are a ton of them. Hell, Peyton FREAKING Hillis put up better numbers in 2010 with arguably a worse supporting cast and matched Richardsons 3.6 YPC his last season there, the season before he was drafted. Trent Richardson isn't a great RB by any stretch of the imagination and he'll go to Indy and put up similar numbers, maybe he'll break the 4 YPC barrier one season. I'm not a fan of the Browns but if all they got back was a second round draft pick I would have thought they made out like bandits. Don't worry, I'll bump this at the end of the season

This is awful.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Browns going for 0-16

This

Not sure what is filling up 11 pages but I got a lot of scrolling to roll thru

 

[Joe Summer]

Oh and one more thing, people please stop whining about not getting emails and take responsibility a little for running your team(s).

Seems like people aren't whining so much as they are criticizing Footballguys for claiming to offer a service that they don't actually provide.

 

[Dismattle]

Reeks of collusion. I'm sure the other NFL owners will vote it down.

They allowed the Harbaugh brothers to swap Boldin for a sixth round draft pick, so clearly this one will stand!

shoot they allowed (insert team's name) to return for another Season..

Do you expect Jamaine Cook to make the 53 now?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Why would Norv Turner trade a young workhorse - that's his bread and butter.

Norv must not think that he's that good.

Like Norv has any say in the deal. He's just happy to have a job.

The only people that had a say were Banner, Lombardi and maybe Haslam.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Both sides win here. I think Cleveland is for once doing the right thing. They need a GDQB and have needed a franchise QB since Bernie Kosar left? So I applaud them for getting rid of any shred of talent on the offense, assume Gordon could be sent packing as well if the right bid came, maybe I am wrong.

For Cleveland to now have multiple 1st round picks next year, and Hoyer over Campbell who has lots of NFL starts under his belt and is a journeyman who would be prefect right now...nope they roll with Hoyer. I believe the owner told the GM to tank and get them a franchise QB else he be gone not too long. But both sides can win here. In the modern NFL you don't absolutely need a stud at RB to win 10 or 11 games, certainly helps but not a must. I believe TRich will do alright but it is gonna take some time for him to get adjusted. I thin his 2014 is looking bright. This season he should split carries with Bradshaw until he breaks down. I would keep an open mind and not assume too much. TRich did have like 50+ catches last year I believe, should do well with Luck slinging it. You gotta like the opp he has in front of him if you own him in a dynasty format.

 

[Wooderson]

I get a kick out of the snobs looking down at the guys here that expected an e-mail

This

I like others do pay for breaking information to be sent out in a timely manner. It has nothing to do with wanting FBG's to manage my team for me. They offer a service I paid for the service. I'm not upset as like many have mentioned things like twitter or sports apps will provide you with quicker news. All this means is the FBG subscription is less valuable then it used to be when it was more difficult to get breaking news.

I plan to follow certain NFL people from now on for my news and not rely FBG it's that simple.

 

[goodoldalky]

The real question is, what else does Cleveland have to trade away to snatch Teddy Bridgewater from the Jags?

Maybe could deal Josh Gordon for a 2nd or 3rd.

Joe Haden should go easily for a mid round pick.

If they can dump D'Qwell Jackson and Paul Kruger for some minor leaguers, maybe AA ball, then I think they're in business.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Why can't I get a text message telling me to read my email. Way to go FBG.

EXACTLY

Haha, he's either a drunk or very slow.

 

[None_More_Black]

What does this mean for Gordon and Cameron?

IMHO, it shouldn't change too much for Gordon and Cameron. The Browns were going to be throwing a lot this year anyway.

The major uptick IMHO should be Davone Bess. For PPR, he might turn into a legit beef eater this season. All of those short perimeter catches that used to go to Richardson are now going to be split by Cameron and Bess, however Gordon and Cameron are going to be drawing the majority of the coverage from defenders. Defenses will concede Bess underneath - "Go ahead, see if you can nickel and dime us to death, we just aren't going to give up the big play"

For the short term, this trade obviously benefits the Colts a little more. Over the long term, this trade IMHO is a lose/lose situation. With the current CBA, with the four year rookie contracts, Luck is just about guaranteed a large re-up. If Richardson does very well, he's going to demand a large re-up on the same timetable as Luck. Along with their spending spree this offseason, it's going to start to hamstring the Colts very soon cap wise. If Richardson does middling to poorly, you let him go, losing that valuable first round pick and those cost controlled rookie years in the process. From a resource management perspective, Grigson has to ask himself if he could have gotten 80 percent of Richardson's production at 10 percent of the cost.

From what I'm hearing around the league, Grigson was over ruled on this trade. Not much different than the Yankees GM, Brian Cashman, getting over ruled when he wants to take a pass on a signing or trade and the rest of the ownership and management do it anyway. He was also apparently over ruled on many instances this off season. The valuation of draft picks in general, esp first day ones, has changed since the last CBA/labor war. People want to cite that it's a late first rounder, but it's still a cost controlled rookie contract where teams like the Ravens and Steelers have often mined the late first round for good value. The word out is Grigson wanted a cheaper alternative for this season in terms of trade acquisition. Positional value means that at a resource management level, running back is probably the position that carries the highest depreciation post draft day. Trent Richardson is not worth a first round pick IMHO. He's just not. The Irsays should have just let Grigson build this team slow and steady the way real contenders are built.

Neither Richardson nor McGahee know their new playbooks, Mac might know the basics from his Chud days, but he's still coming off of injury, old, and being slotted into a new team/system on the fly. Mid season trades make much more sense for baseball than they ever will for football, where rapport, tenure within a unit and unit cohesion matter.

On the Browns rushing attack, Mac, SnatchDoc and Rain Man are all like a plate of day old biscuits. Pick the one that will give you passing down Kevin Faulk lite value, this team is going to be throwing, in garbage time and throwing some more.

Trent is just in year 2, so he's got almost 3 full season on that cost controlled rookie contract.

What does this mean for Gordon and Cameron?

IMHO, it shouldn't change too much for Gordon and Cameron. The Browns were going to be throwing a lot this year anyway.

The major uptick IMHO should be Davone Bess. For PPR, he might turn into a legit beef eater this season. All of those short perimeter catches that used to go to Richardson are now going to be split by Cameron and Bess, however Gordon and Cameron are going to be drawing the majority of the coverage from defenders. Defenses will concede Bess underneath - "Go ahead, see if you can nickel and dime us to death, we just aren't going to give up the big play"

For the short term, this trade obviously benefits the Colts a little more. Over the long term, this trade IMHO is a lose/lose situation. With the current CBA, with the four year rookie contracts, Luck is just about guaranteed a large re-up. If Richardson does very well, he's going to demand a large re-up on the same timetable as Luck. Along with their spending spree this offseason, it's going to start to hamstring the Colts very soon cap wise. If Richardson does middling to poorly, you let him go, losing that valuable first round pick and those cost controlled rookie years in the process. From a resource management perspective, Grigson has to ask himself if he could have gotten 80 percent of Richardson's production at 10 percent of the cost.

From what I'm hearing around the league, Grigson was over ruled on this trade. Not much different than the Yankees GM, Brian Cashman, getting over ruled when he wants to take a pass on a signing or trade and the rest of the ownership and management do it anyway. He was also apparently over ruled on many instances this off season. The valuation of draft picks in general, esp first day ones, has changed since the last CBA/labor war. People want to cite that it's a late first rounder, but it's still a cost controlled rookie contract where teams like the Ravens and Steelers have often mined the late first round for good value. The word out is Grigson wanted a cheaper alternative for this season in terms of trade acquisition. Positional value means that at a resource management level, running back is probably the position that carries the highest depreciation post draft day. Trent Richardson is not worth a first round pick IMHO. He's just not. The Irsays should have just let Grigson build this team slow and steady the way real contenders are built.

Neither Richardson nor McGahee know their new playbooks, Mac might know the basics from his Chud days, but he's still coming off of injury, old, and being slotted into a new team/system on the fly. Mid season trades make much more sense for baseball than they ever will for football, where rapport, tenure within a unit and unit cohesion matter.

On the Browns rushing attack, Mac, SnatchDoc and Rain Man are all like a plate of day old biscuits. Pick the one that will give you passing down Kevin Faulk lite value, this team is going to be throwing, in garbage time and throwing some more.

Trent is just in year 2, so he's got almost 3 full season on that cost controlled rookie contract.

 

[ghostguy123]

The real question is, what else does Cleveland have to trade away to snatch Teddy Bridgewater from the Jags?

Maybe could deal Josh Gordon for a 2nd or 3rd.

Joe Haden should go easily for a mid round pick.

If they can dump D'Qwell Jackson and Paul Kruger for some minor leaguers, maybe AA ball, then I think they're in business.

I will bet anything my Browns dont end up with the #1 pick.

1- The defense is very good and will get us a win along the way

2- We just arent lucky enough to lose enough games to get the #1.