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The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)
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jurb26
Footballguy
Not trying to dismiss your point. Just making a statement. I haven't subscribed for years.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
It's pretty good evidence that the importance of RB is grossly overrated. As is the Colts finally breaking thru after they replaced Edge James with a couple Schmos'.
EHRMAHGERD
Footballguy
Screw this... you guys are turning a huge NFL trade into a complaint against Football Guys because you didn't get an e-mail. A) get a twitter account. B) take a brake from Magical Football once and a while and enjoy real live football C) Don't be that Guy.
fatness
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't think this is as slam dunk for trich as people are saying. Teams with GREAT qbs, and I think Luck is on that path, don't build their teams around what a RB will bring to the table. The RB benefits from Rodgers or Bree's, not the other way around.
At best, I see this as a sjax to Atlanta in the best case scenario but definitely not as good as even a few months ago when people were drooling that trich would get a ton of carries in Cleveland and be the focal point. The colts want a power running game. Don't misinterpret that for "we want to run all the time". They just want a physical and reliable player that can clinch games and move the chains, not some guy that they are going to waste all their offensive talent behind and just sit back and hand it to all day.
I think this move solidifies trich in the sense that he is probably now a safer top 10 guy but in no way do I see it as it makes him a better ff play (like, he's now a top 3-4 RB).
At best, I see this as a sjax to Atlanta in the best case scenario but definitely not as good as even a few months ago when people were drooling that trich would get a ton of carries in Cleveland and be the focal point. The colts want a power running game. Don't misinterpret that for "we want to run all the time". They just want a physical and reliable player that can clinch games and move the chains, not some guy that they are going to waste all their offensive talent behind and just sit back and hand it to all day.
I think this move solidifies trich in the sense that he is probably now a safer top 10 guy but in no way do I see it as it makes him a better ff play (like, he's now a top 3-4 RB).
EHRMAHGERD
Footballguy
I am 2-0 in a league where I have Andrew Luck as QB and Trent Richardson and LeSean McCoy at RB... I have Josh Gordon on my Bench... Holding on all these players.... PATIENCE.
sharptongued1
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Understood. I've been a subscriber for years, and honestly "breaking news emails" isn't the reason I keep paying every year. But this news broke hours ago and I still don't have an email. That's insane and totally inexcusable. I don't want to hear about "Joe has a life, it's Wednesday night," etc. This is his business - he shouldn't tout breaking news updates if he's not actually prepared or equipped to send them out. This is likely to be one of the biggest NFL news items all year long, and they totally dropped the ball.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think he was saying that if this kid figures it all out he will dominant because he has the talent. Some people have it figured out and are at the peak of their performance and will never be dominant because they don't have the physical talent.
EHRMAHGERD
Footballguy
It's a wait and see trade....unfortunately only a few people will remember this trade when it actually pans out...I read your post wrong....and confused it with another right around it.
Jewell
Footballguy
As a Pats fan, I watched all their games in their entirety over the Super Bowl years span. They definitely road Dillon much more than they road Antowain Smith. When the Pats got the lead in games during the 2004 season they turned 'Clock Killin' Corey Dillon to salt the game away to a far greater degree than they did with Antowain Smith. This may sound blasphemous to Brady lovers (of which I am one), but Dillon may have been just as important to that 2004 offense as Brady was.
Always losing
Footballguy
Of course people are mad that they are paying for a service THAT THEY ADVERTISE and then don't deliver on that service.
joffer
Footballguy
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
Richardson owner & Browns fan chiming in here:
I'm definitely in the "Richardson is better than his traditional stats" camp - I've seen a lot of him making guys miss, it's just that there's usually like 3 other guys right there to make the play anyway.
That said, I'm genuinely excited for this trade. The Browns have not focused on the passing game nearly enough since they've come back, and it doesn't help that our fanbase is constantly saying the team has to be more TOUGH & PHYSICAL when tough & physical isn't what wins in the NFL anymore. This move tells me this team is done with taking chances on the Quinns & Weedens in the lower 1st round, and wants a truly top-3 level prospect at the most important position. Sure, that QB is no guarantee, but the current route IS a guarantee...for no Super Bowl anytime soon.
I also like how this regime has realized just how awful last year's 1st-round picks were and is focusing ASAP on doing what they can to correct them, and realizes that you just cannot build a team around a RB in this era. No RB should be drafted in the 1st round anymore unless you KNOW he's the next Peterson or Tomlinson, or you already have a good team and he's an obviously perfect fit for your offense (e.g. Edgerrin James, kinda)...we know Richardson didn't meet the second criteria, and I would bet strongly on him not meeting the first one either.
Basically, the Browns already have a good number of pieces in place to be a playoff team, but also have a few much bigger needs than RB - a franchise QB, a real CB opposite Haden, a real WR opposite Gordon, and more o-line depth. At this point I would far rather have any of those than Richardson.
So overall I love the deal for us, and am skeptical of how well it works out for Indy. TBH I think it's more likely than not they completely miss the playoffs this year, given how much stronger teams like KC/SD/TEN/MIA look now. Even if they get in, another one-and-done would be a poor result for what they gave up.
I'm definitely in the "Richardson is better than his traditional stats" camp - I've seen a lot of him making guys miss, it's just that there's usually like 3 other guys right there to make the play anyway.
That said, I'm genuinely excited for this trade. The Browns have not focused on the passing game nearly enough since they've come back, and it doesn't help that our fanbase is constantly saying the team has to be more TOUGH & PHYSICAL when tough & physical isn't what wins in the NFL anymore. This move tells me this team is done with taking chances on the Quinns & Weedens in the lower 1st round, and wants a truly top-3 level prospect at the most important position. Sure, that QB is no guarantee, but the current route IS a guarantee...for no Super Bowl anytime soon.
I also like how this regime has realized just how awful last year's 1st-round picks were and is focusing ASAP on doing what they can to correct them, and realizes that you just cannot build a team around a RB in this era. No RB should be drafted in the 1st round anymore unless you KNOW he's the next Peterson or Tomlinson, or you already have a good team and he's an obviously perfect fit for your offense (e.g. Edgerrin James, kinda)...we know Richardson didn't meet the second criteria, and I would bet strongly on him not meeting the first one either.
Basically, the Browns already have a good number of pieces in place to be a playoff team, but also have a few much bigger needs than RB - a franchise QB, a real CB opposite Haden, a real WR opposite Gordon, and more o-line depth. At this point I would far rather have any of those than Richardson.
So overall I love the deal for us, and am skeptical of how well it works out for Indy. TBH I think it's more likely than not they completely miss the playoffs this year, given how much stronger teams like KC/SD/TEN/MIA look now. Even if they get in, another one-and-done would be a poor result for what they gave up.
jurb26
Footballguy
Agreed. If I paid, I'd be upset. There should be a far better system in place than this. Poor planning at the very least is displayed here. Nobody is saying Joe can't have a life. Have one, but put a system in place to handle situations like this. Epic fail here IMO. This is as you said, likely to be the biggest new break of the season as it relates to FF.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Well what do you know, apparently I'm a Brady lover. Who knew?
There's only one person as responsible as #12 for any of their Super Bowls and that's Walt Coleman.
OG_GF
Footballguy
I think it's important to note that most subscribers got this email hours ago. Spam filter maybe?
Clifford
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This sums it up pretty nicely.
Gandalf
Footballguy
I see your point. That said, doesn't the Luck/TRich duo remind you a little of Manning/Edge? That worked out pretty well for Edge owners. Sometimes the pass sets up the run, right?
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DropKick
Footballguy
The Colts have a QB and solid WR core. Now they have one of the better young RBs in the league. They crushed the trade. The immediacy of a top back in hand far outweighs a future draft pick.... what else do you you need to know... Just saying...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I know I'm in the minority on this...and I know tons of people are going to scream and hollar...
But I think that from a real life football talent perspective, Richardson is overrated as hell. I'm a Dolphins fan and from what I witnessed last weekend that kid left quite a few yards on the field. There were some holes there and he missed them. I know the Fins have a good front 7 but there were opportunities there that a more explosive back would have taken advantage of.
Fantasy is a completely different animal and he'll never see an 8 or 9 man front ever again in Indy so I'm sure he'll do well there....but in my eyes he's not an elite talent. I think the Browns getting a first rounder for him isn't a terrible deal...especially when they weren't going to win this year anyways with him.
RB shelf life is about 20 minutes in the NFL to begin with, which is why I can't understand for the life of me why a GM would ever take one in the first round...much less the top 10. But getting a first rounder in return for a prior regimes mistakes isn't the worst deal in the world.
But I think that from a real life football talent perspective, Richardson is overrated as hell. I'm a Dolphins fan and from what I witnessed last weekend that kid left quite a few yards on the field. There were some holes there and he missed them. I know the Fins have a good front 7 but there were opportunities there that a more explosive back would have taken advantage of.
Fantasy is a completely different animal and he'll never see an 8 or 9 man front ever again in Indy so I'm sure he'll do well there....but in my eyes he's not an elite talent. I think the Browns getting a first rounder for him isn't a terrible deal...especially when they weren't going to win this year anyways with him.
RB shelf life is about 20 minutes in the NFL to begin with, which is why I can't understand for the life of me why a GM would ever take one in the first round...much less the top 10. But getting a first rounder in return for a prior regimes mistakes isn't the worst deal in the world.
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Any specific recommendations? I don't have any.
I do not want to follow twitter.
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snogger
Footballguy
Strange.. I received an email around 45 minutes after this thread was started. So a little
why you hadn't received it when you posted this.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Yep. That about sums it up. Colts>>>Browns in this deal. Unless we find out that TRich has a drug problem or went Aaron Hernandez on a bunch of people, the Browns did not get good value for TRich back.
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Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I like what YOU bolded. That immediacy does not compute for the Browns, if you have watched them play.
What you didn't note, is that the Browns do not have a franchise QB or a solid WR core.
I didn't say the Browns crushed the trade. Just sayin....
fatness
Footballguy
You may be right. The way I read the post was "uh oh, some unnamed Browns player says Richardson needs to figure things out so there must be trouble with Richardson." Which I'm not buying. I figure the Browns know they're going to lose most of their games with Richardson on the roster, so why not beef up their draft for next year since they can lose games without Richardson?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Complainerguys...start a new thread please.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
The NFL has precious few in-season trades.
But this isn't like basketball or baseball where the new player can fit in so quickly.
I think this is a wash value or decrease in value for Richardson, IMO. Seems like the gut reaction is to be a trader FOR T.Rich.. If I was a T.Rich owner (which I'm not) I don't like this very much and don't expect much moving forward... then again.. if something was wrong with Weeden it could be the player wasn't going to materialize into 1st round value anyway... or even 2nd round for that matter.
But this isn't like basketball or baseball where the new player can fit in so quickly.
I think this is a wash value or decrease in value for Richardson, IMO. Seems like the gut reaction is to be a trader FOR T.Rich.. If I was a T.Rich owner (which I'm not) I don't like this very much and don't expect much moving forward... then again.. if something was wrong with Weeden it could be the player wasn't going to materialize into 1st round value anyway... or even 2nd round for that matter.
Philogelos
Footballguy
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Where do they say they will be breaking the news or even getting their take out in a fast manner? Read that again. When this stuff happens the good owners react.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
e-mail is the new snail mail
ebsteelers
Footballguy
I am not sure why some people didnt get emails.. I got an email with in an hour of hearing about it.
snogger
Footballguy
ebsteelers
Footballguy
and what exactly are people looking for in that email, how they should babysit their team going forward if they t-rich?
just seems silly to ##### about that, look at all the good stuff you get from being a subscriber.. an email about t-rich being traded when the whole world all know seems silly to complain about it.
thats just me though
just seems silly to ##### about that, look at all the good stuff you get from being a subscriber.. an email about t-rich being traded when the whole world all know seems silly to complain about it.
thats just me though
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Some of you are complaining about an email that may have come an hour after the trade... 
I hope you guys complaining aren't serious because if you are, you have reached a new low.
I hope you guys complaining aren't serious because if you are, you have reached a new low.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
