The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I'm very interested to see how Herron does with the 1's tomorrow. Even though he's a mediocre talent he at least does the things I described.

4 carries, 8 yards

Wow what a stud. Richardson better watch his back.

Tipton had 6 carries for 27 yards behind the same O-line. Obviously, the line is fine and Herron sucks.

Tipton will be starting by week 3.

Richardson was benched last year because he was averaging 2.9 YPC and didn't top 2.8 YPC in a game during the preseason.

Maybe Richardson keeps his job because Herron and Tipton aren't special either.

Thats the point... He's going to keep his job and get volume which will equal value as a rb3-5 for teams.

Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner. Give that guy a cookie.

TRich doesn't have to be spectacular to have value this year; he just has to be good enough to hold on to the starting job. He wasn't in 2013, but last I checked, last year's points don't carry over to this season.

His value in dynasty leagues is a different story, but I'm guessing that even if TRich only averages 3.8 YPC this season but still puts up low-end RB1 numbers based on volume alone, his price will shoot up.

Looking forward to those 18 for 56 rushing performances are we? Better hope he's scoring TDs.

 

[Jrodicus]

Why would he get 'volume' if his ypc is terrible? That seems like a weird combination.

'Yeah, he'll average 3.5 but with 400 touches he will be a great flex!'

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

 

[False Start]

Why would he get 'volume' if his ypc is terrible? That seems like a weird combination.

'Yeah, he'll average 3.5 but with 400 touches he will be a great flex!'

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

This is why I visit this forum!

 

[Jrodicus]

I'm very interested to see how Herron does with the 1's tomorrow. Even though he's a mediocre talent he at least does the things I described.

4 carries, 8 yards

Wow what a stud. Richardson better watch his back.

Tipton had 6 carries for 27 yards behind the same O-line. Obviously, the line is fine and Herron sucks.

Tipton will be starting by week 3.

Richardson was benched last year because he was averaging 2.9 YPC and didn't top 2.8 YPC in a game during the preseason.

Maybe Richardson keeps his job because Herron and Tipton aren't special either.

Thats the point... He's going to keep his job and get volume which will equal value as a rb3-5 for teams.

Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner. Give that guy a cookie.

TRich doesn't have to be spectacular to have value this year; he just has to be good enough to hold on to the starting job. He wasn't in 2013, but last I checked, last year's points don't carry over to this season.

His value in dynasty leagues is a different story, but I'm guessing that even if TRich only averages 3.8 YPC this season but still puts up low-end RB1 numbers based on volume alone, his price will shoot up.

Looking forward to those 18 for 56 rushing performances are we? Better hope he's scoring TDs.

I'd love for him to get 18 carries a game - that would put him at 288 for the season.

There were only 9 RB that saw more than 280 carries last season. They each had at least 210 points (in PPR) and scored at least 11 TDs.

But yeah, you're referring to the Seattle game last year. I was at that game, and I remember how good he looked in the 2nd half.

1st Half

2nd and 10 at IND 18 (Run formation) T.Richardson left end to IND 18 for no gain (B.Irvin).

1st and 10 at IND 17 (Run formation) T.Richardson left tackle to IND 19 for 2 yards (B.Wagner; K.Wright). IND - Reitz (#76) reports as eligible

3rd and 1 at IND 25 T.Richardson up the middle to IND 27 for 2 yards (B.Mebane; B.Irvin).

1st and 10 at IND 19 (Run formation) T.Richardson left end to IND 16 for -3 yards (C.Clemons; K.Wright).

1st and 10 at SEA 43 (Run formation) T.Richardson right tackle to SEA 42 for 1 yard (J.Hill).

1st and 10 at SEA 29 (Run formation) T.Richardson up the middle to SEA 29 for no gain (B.Mebane; R.Bryant).

2nd Half

1st and 10 at IND 20 T.Richardson left tackle to IND 36 for 16 yards (E.Thomas).

1st and 10 at IND 20 T.Richardson left tackle to IND 22 for 2 yards (M.Bennett).

1st and 10 at IND 31 T.Richardson up the middle to IND 35 for 4 yards (C.McDonald).

1st and 10 at IND 46 T.Richardson up the middle to SEA 44 for 10 yards (E.Thomas).

1st and 10 at IND 41 T.Richardson right tackle to IND 40 for -1 yards (B.Mebane; C.Avril).

1st and 10 at SEA 47 (Run formation) T.Richardson up the middle to SEA 45 for 2 yards (B.Mebane; K.Chancellor). IND - Reitz (#76) reports as eligible

1st and 10 at SEA 33 (Shotgun) T.Richardson right guard to SEA 32 for 1 yard (K.Chancellor; T.McDaniel).

1st and 10 at IND 27 (Shotgun) T.Richardson up the middle to IND 31 for 4 yards (B.Mebane; K.Chancellor).

1st and 10 at 50 (Shotgun) T.Richardson left guard to SEA 45 for 5 yards (K.Wright; K.Chancellor).

3rd and 5 at SEA 45 T.Richardson left tackle to SEA 35 for 10 yards (E.Thomas).

1st and 10 at SEA 35 (Run formation) T.Richardson up the middle to SEA 31 for 4 yards (R.Bryant; K.Wright). IND - Reitz (#76) reports as eligible

2nd and 6 at SEA 31 (Run formation) T.Richardson up the middle to SEA 34 for -3 yards (M.Bennett; K.Wright). IND - Reitz (#76) reports as eligible

1st Half - 6 carries, 2 yards

2nd Half - 12 carries, 54 yards

 

[humpback]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

 

[Jrodicus]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

 

[humpback]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

How many got 200 carries in the top 20 with 3.0 ypc?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

How many got 200 carries in the top 20 with 3.0 ypc?

And actually, Richardson couldn't even manage to hit that 3.0 mark either last season or this preseason. He's not even going to be in the league past his initial rookie contract.

 

[georg013]

Note: Trent Richardson owners, potential buyers, or anyone looking for objective analysis.

You will NOT find it here. You are better off starting a separate thread. Though, I'm not exactly sure how far that will go because I am 105% certain the TRich haters will follow you wherever you go. They have programmed TRich into their notification systems so that anytime his name pops up, they can hate in 5 seconds flat. Sorry, hate may be a bit harsh. "Gently correct". That's better. No one is allowed to find positivity in Richardson's game without a constant stream of sarcasm or ypc reminders. Do NOT waste your time here. It is a trap. Once you are in here, the same people take turns repeating the same tired arguments about why Richardson won't amount to anything (Just watch and see who responds to this post! It's comical actually). You are NOT allowed to like Richardson without being told you are wrong. These guys know better than you and will gladly tell you why you should think the same. Just thought I would throw out a warning and save you imminent headaches. This thread has become completely worthless. It is nothing more than an "I hate Trent" thread, infested with haters waiting for the opportunity to pounce on any inkling of a positive outlook.

 

[mr roboto]

Note: Trent Richardson owners, potential sellers, or anyone looking for objective analysis.

You will NOT find it here. You are better off starting a separate thread. Though, I'm not exactly sure how far that will go because I am 105% certain the TRich fanboys will follow you wherever you go. They have programmed TRich into their notification systems so that anytime his name pops up, they can fawn in 5 seconds flat. Sorry, fawn may be a bit harsh. "Gently defend". That's better. No one is allowed to find negativity in Richardson's game without a constant stream of hopeless optimism or first round draft pick reminders. Do NOT waste your time here. It is a trap. Once you are in here, the same people take turns repeating the same tired arguments about how Richardson will amount to something eventually (Just watch and see who responds to this post! It's comical actually). You are NOT allowed to criticize Richardson without being told you are wrong. These guys know better than you and will gladly tell you why you should think the same. Just thought I would throw out a warning and save you imminent headaches. This thread has become completely worthless. It is nothing more than an "I still believe in Trent" thread, infested with fanboys waiting for the opportunity to pounce on any inkling of a realistic outlook.

 

[georg013]

That took you 9 minutes Roboto. You're late!

 

[need2know]

Has he been cut yet?

 

[Jrodicus]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).

Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

 

[ATSS_0100]

So I take it most the negative trich people were burnt by him last year, and most of the pro Richardson people have not owned him yet?

 

[timschochet]

I drafted him last night, as my 3rd running back after DeMarco Murray and Andre Ellington.

Look, a lot of this talk, pro and con, doesn't mean much to me. Here's what's important: he's the lead running back on a high powered offense. He'll get lot's of opportunities. If he sucks, he sucks. But I think that in the middle rounds, (where I got him), he's a bargain.

 

[ATSS_0100]

I drafted him last night, as my 3rd running back after DeMarco Murray and Andre Ellington.

Look, a lot of this talk, pro and con, doesn't mean much to me. Here's what's important: he's the lead running back on a high powered offense. He'll get lot's of opportunities. If he sucks, he sucks. But I think that in the middle rounds, (where I got him), he's a bargain.

I agree as an RB3, I think it's great. In redraft if he's your rb2 then most likely your stacked at the other positions regardless

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

I went back and looked at those players you referenced in the previous. Most of the RBs coming off <4 YPC seasons were either rookies, one-offs for veterans who had consistently averaged 4+ YPC in previous seasons or were younger players that were replaced the next season. Not many players average 3.5 a season for multiple consecutive seasons and retain their starting jobs.

 

[stbugs]

So I take it most the negative trich people were burnt by him last year, and most of the pro Richardson people have not owned him yet?

Not really, but not worth regurgitating the entire thread.

 

[stbugs]

I drafted him last night, as my 3rd running back after DeMarco Murray and Andre Ellington.

Look, a lot of this talk, pro and con, doesn't mean much to me. Here's what's important: he's the lead running back on a high powered offense. He'll get lot's of opportunities. If he sucks, he sucks. But I think that in the middle rounds, (where I got him), he's a bargain.

I agree as an RB3, I think it's great. In redraft if he's your rb2 then most likely your stacked at the other positions regardless

Again, not true. Look at the previous page, Brewtown took him at pick 40. As I posted after that, pick 40 is around Stafford, Vereen, Stacy, Allen, White, Garcon, Matthews, etc. Taking Trich there as RB2, does not mean your team is stacked. He said because of that pick, he had to take Rice in the 6th. I don't mind Rice in the 6th, but IMHO, he hurt himself taking TRich as his RB2.

 

[DoubleG]

Has he been cut yet?

No.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).

Somehow there is this perception that richardson is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches.

corrected your typo

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

btw, he went in the 8th in my fairly standard ppr --- I gotta find a new league

edit rb32

 

[ATSS_0100]

I drafted him last night, as my 3rd running back after DeMarco Murray and Andre Ellington.

Look, a lot of this talk, pro and con, doesn't mean much to me. Here's what's important: he's the lead running back on a high powered offense. He'll get lot's of opportunities. If he sucks, he sucks. But I think that in the middle rounds, (where I got him), he's a bargain.

I agree as an RB3, I think it's great. In redraft if he's your rb2 then most likely your stacked at the other positions regardless

Again, not true. Look at the previous page, Brewtown took him at pick 40. As I posted after that, pick 40 is around Stafford, Vereen, Stacy, Allen, White, Garcon, Matthews, etc. Taking Trich there as RB2, does not mean your team is stacked. He said because of that pick, he had to take Rice in the 6th. I don't mind Rice in the 6th, but IMHO, he hurt himself taking TRich as his RB2.

In all fairness trich is a 6+ rounder. Anything before that is a reach in redraft. He is falling as we speak

 

[SameSongNDance]

I split several big $ leagues with my friend. It was the 7th round, RBs were getting thin, I uttered the name Trent Richardson and he threatened to knock me out. I was just naming who was available.

 

[ATSS_0100]

I split several big $ leagues with my friend. It was the 7th round, RBs were getting thin, I uttered the name Trent Richardson and he threatened to knock me out. I was just naming who was available.

I think that's not a terrible move, but like I said he is falling as we speak

 

[Insein]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

 

[Jrodicus]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

I went back and looked at those players you referenced in the previous. Most of the RBs coming off <4 YPC seasons were either rookies, one-offs for veterans who had consistently averaged 4+ YPC in previous seasons or were younger players that were replaced the next season. Not many players average 3.5 a season for multiple consecutive seasons and retain their starting jobs.

Sooo...they were either rookies, or not rookies, and they were either good players or bad players.

Gotcha.

So what conclusions do you draw from that?

 

[Jrodicus]

btw, he went in the 8th in my fairly standard ppr --- I should quit playing fantasy football.

edit rb32

corrected your typo

 

[ATSS_0100]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

A headache lol... Jk a major boom or bust imo

 

[DoubleG]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

Just go back and read the other 72 pages...and welcome.

 

[RBM]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

Most likely tip toeing his way to 16-40

 

[timschochet]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

Most likely tip toeing his way to 16-40

Just seems hard to believe. They'll never put an 8th man in the box against him; not with Luck. I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

 

[humpback]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).

Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

Again, kudos for bringing some data to the discussion, but it really doesn't help your case at all. A 30% chance at 200 carries isn't good to begin with, and zero RBs who reached 200 carries had a ypc as low Richardson.

I think you're the only one who brought up the magic 4.0 number, but what you basically said is if Richardson plays much better than he did last year, he can be relevant in fantasy. Nothing earth shattering there.

 

[RBM]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

Most likely tip toeing his way to 16-40

Just seems hard to believe. They'll never put an 8th man in the box against him; not with Luck. I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

Maybe with a better line. This Indy line is pretty bad.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

A wasted 7th round pick

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

Most likely tip toeing his way to 16-40

Just seems hard to believe. They'll never put an 8th man in the box against him; not with Luck. I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

Don't disagree with this. But Richardson isn't mediocre; he's awful.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

There is zero proof of this so far.

 

[mr roboto]

I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

There is zero proof of this so far.

Not necessarily. He did pretty well for Donald Brown. Too bad Trent isn't mediocre enough to get the Luck bump.

 

[cstu]

I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

There is zero proof of this so far.

Not necessarily. He did pretty well for Donald Brown. Too bad Trent isn't mediocre enough to get the Luck bump.

Donald Brown was a 1st round pick, as was every Colts leading rusher under Peyton except Dominic Rhodes the year Edge tore his ACL.

 

[adam220891]

I wish I didn't draft this turd. I have him in my 12 team non-ppr league.

WRs: Green, Jeffrey, Edelman, Randle, Wheaton

RBs: Murray, Ridley, Moreno, Richardson, Robinson

Start 2 WRs, 2 RBs, one flex

$#%

 

[Jrodicus]

Last year:

Cj2k - 3.86 YPC, 279 attempts, #8 RB in PPR

Le'Veon Bell - 3.52 YPC, 244 attempts, #14 RB in PPR

J. Bell - 3.92 YPC, 166 attempts, #15 RB in PPR

Pierre Thomas - 3.73 YPC, 147 attempts, #16 RB in PPR

MJD (3.41), Stacy (3.89), Rice (3.08) also all had over 200 carries and finished in the top 22 in PPR leagues.

In 2012, 6 of the top 23 RBs in PPR were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2013, there were 22 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2012, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2011, there were 19 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 3 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 23 RBs with at least 200 rushing attempts; 7 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

In 2010, there were 7 RBs with at least 300 rushing attempts; 4 of them were < 4.0 YPC.

Nice job getting the numbers, but they seem to hurt your argument.

Mkay

All of the RBs you listed in the top had a higher ypc than Richardson (most much higher), and all but 1 had more receptions. The bottom shows that most of the RBs with at least 200 attempts over the past 4 seasons had a ypc above 4, and most of the top 23 RBs in PPR in 2012 were above a 4 ypc as well.

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

Again, kudos for bringing some data to the discussion, but it really doesn't help your case at all. A 30% chance at 200 carries isn't good to begin with, and zero RBs who reached 200 carries had a ypc as low Richardson.I think you're the only one who brought up the magic 4.0 number, but what you basically said is if Richardson plays much better than he did last year, he can be relevant in fantasy. Nothing earth shattering there.

Actually, you left the original comment out where someone brought up a bogey of 3.5 YPC and inferring it is bad:

mr roboto, on 29 Aug 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

Why would he get 'volume' if his ypc is terrible? That seems like a weird combination.

'Yeah, he'll average 3.5 but with 400 touches he will be a great flex!'

It's a bit ironic since we've already seen TRich have a season with 3.6 YPC where he put up RB1 numbers.

He doesn't need a great YPC; it can be as mediocre as it was his rookie year and he can still be valuable, as long as he holds on to the starting job.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think Luck, like Peyton Manning, is the sort of guy who can turn mediocre RBs into fantasy studs.

There is zero proof of this so far.

Not necessarily. He did pretty well for Donald Brown. Too bad Trent isn't mediocre enough to get the Luck bump.

Maybe luck bumped him from 1 td to3

 

[cstu]

He doesn't need a great YPC; it can be as mediocre as it was his rookie year and he can still be valuable, as long as he holds on to the starting job.

He held onto the job because the Browns had no one else but that YPC got him traded away with a huge cap hit to the Browns.

If he wants to hold onto the starting job in Indy he'll need to do better than 3.6 YPC.

 

[cmv5]

Don't be surprised if the Colts sign Mikel Leshoure now that the Lions cut him. He will probably bring some more simmering mediocrity to this team at the rb spot.

Seriously, though. I would expect them to be very interested in signing him. I believe they offered a draft pick last year. A starting spot in Indy is definitely worth a roster spot. If you can get it at a reasonable price, why not take a chance?

 

[cstu]

Don't be surprised if the Colts sign Mikel Leshoure now that the Lions cut him. He will probably bring some more simmering mediocrity to this team at the rb spot.

Seriously, though. I would expect them to be very interested in signing him. I believe they offered a draft pick last year. A starting spot in Indy is definitely worth a roster spot. If you can get it at a reasonable price, why not take a chance?

I picked him up on the off chance that happens. In 2012 the consensus on Leshoure was that he ran 'sluggish' but he actually had a better YPC than Richardson. The big difference between the two that year was the number of touches. Leshoure was actually the #13 RB in PPR after he came back from suspension week 3.

 

[Jrodicus]

He doesn't need a great YPC; it can be as mediocre as it was his rookie year and he can still be valuable, as long as he holds on to the starting job.

He held onto the job because the Browns had no one else but that YPC got him traded away with a huge cap hit to the Browns.

If he wants to hold onto the starting job in Indy he'll need to do better than 3.6 YPC.

Was he valuable in fantasy football his rookie year?

 

[humpback]

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).

Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

Again, kudos for bringing some data to the discussion, but it really doesn't help your case at all. A 30% chance at 200 carries isn't good to begin with, and zero RBs who reached 200 carries had a ypc as low Richardson.I think you're the only one who brought up the magic 4.0 number, but what you basically said is if Richardson plays much better than he did last year, he can be relevant in fantasy. Nothing earth shattering there.

Actually, you left the original comment out where someone brought up a bogey of 3.5 YPC and inferring it is bad:

mr roboto, on 29 Aug 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

Why would he get 'volume' if his ypc is terrible? That seems like a weird combination.

'Yeah, he'll average 3.5 but with 400 touches he will be a great flex!'

It's a bit ironic since we've already seen TRich have a season with 3.6 YPC where he put up RB1 numbers.

He doesn't need a great YPC; it can be as mediocre as it was his rookie year and he can still be valuable, as long as he holds on to the starting job.

Huh? That's not a bogey, it's just a random number he threw out there as an example (which is a bad ypc)- do you think the number of touches he picked is also a bogey? Even if you want to pretend it was, it's obviously different from the higher bogey you picked of 4.

Back to reality- clearly the numbers you presented show that if he has a sub 4 ypc, it's more likely than not that he doesn't reach 200 carries (not that 200 carries is great for ff, especially if you have a crappy ypc).

No one said he can't be valuable if he has a mid 3's ypc, but he probably wouldn't be.

 

[SpruceGoose]

Boy I cant wait for the season to start so this thread can turn into a "I told you so" fest.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Boy I cant wait for the season to start so this thread can turn into a "I told you so" fest.

It's like a poor man's Josh Gordon thread.