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The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)
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az_prof
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Browns couldn't be happier with how this is working out.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
59 yards rushing COMBINED in his last 4 games. Hard to believe.
shadyridr
Footballguy
doesnt help that the team is down 35-0 in the blink of an eye every game
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I played Ingram last Thursday. He got me 3.2. I was despondent until I saw my opponent had Richardson in. 2.8. Ingram whooped him LOL
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Richardson: "I don't know what you talking about me, I think I play good."
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Bill Polian must be grinning from ear to ear these days.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
I'm sure if you asked him, he'd say so. Sometimes (all the time) his stellar play doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
Shutout
Footballguy
They had Reggie Wayne. THe team hasn't been the same since losing him.
You can cover up a lot of warts with Reggie. You have a reliable target that you can get the ball out to quickly. Now, however, teams can just pin their ears back and its showing.
Shutout
Footballguy
Things can certainly change quickly in the NFL and maybe it will but at this point I would be absolutely sick if I owned him in dynasty given the price it probably took to get him.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Colts can't continue to spot opponents multiple TD's and pass their way back into games in the second half. I said it earlier and I stand by my comment that if they don't get an effective ground game working, either with Richardson or Brown or whoever, they are going to be an also-ran team. Heck they may even be in a late season collapse and they don't even make the playoffs.
cstu
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I'm starting to think the issue with Richardson is that he doesn't dedicate himself to the craft. Also, he is more concerned with lifting weights than his agility.shadyridr said:
I was watching some highlights of him at Bama and it's a different player. He looks visibly slimmer and faster at Bama.
In essence, he's gotten bigger and slower and isn't hitting the holes.
That being said, he's also suffering a bit from the inability to get a lot of touches.
Ingram is a great example of this. Ingram's supporters (myself included) always said that he just needed more touches to be successful. Well, guess what. Those touches aren't going to be handed to you on a silver platter. If you suck with your first ten carries, you probably aren't going to earn those next 10 carries.
Ingram got the point. He looks physically different this year. Looks more explosive, is playing with heart, and is running very well when given the opportunity. If he can keep it up, he may earn himself a starting job somewhere next year or at least more carries on the Saints.
Right now, Trent isn't getting a lot of carries. There is a two-fold problem here. One is that he sucks when he does get the rock. The second problem is that the Colts are playing like the worst team in football right now and getting blown out of the water by average teams.
I think Trent will be a great buy-low IF he works his butt off in the off-season and changes his attitude. But judging by what I've seen and read, he seems to still be blaming others. If that continues, he's gonna be out of the NFL in 2 years.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Yahoo's Shutdown Corner article from today mentioned the loss of Reggie Wayne and how it has impacted the Colts.
I thought that injury really hurt Indianapolis. They have still been barely winning some games but the losses, whoah, not good.
The loss of Reggie Wayne coupled with the loss of Ahmad Bradshaw and the lack of prodution from Trent Richardson has left the Colts without only TY Hilton as their 'big-play-maker' on offense and its pretty easy to double cover and shut-down most big-play receivers if their aren't any terciary threats.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trent-richardson-trade-even-bigger-153549569.html
I still believe that the Colts are too far out ahead in the AFC South for their lead to slip away so I still think the draft pick will be lower in the first round but even so the Browns seemed to make an excellent trade even if the pick winds up the 32nd in the first round.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That win/comeback over TEN was huge.
If TEN had won that then the Colts would be in 2nd place now.
As it is, if TEN wins this week then IND is ahead by just a game. TEN likely won't beat denver in the next game. TEN would get AZ at home after that. Indy could lose at CIN.
Hypothetically they could both go into the last game of the season 8-7.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
guess pep's not gettin' him goin' this week
Joe Summer
Footballguy
We're all going to feel horrible if it turns out Trent has a disease that prevents him from playing football at his full potential.
amnesiac
beer is good
true, but i keep ruling this out since he passed his physical to complete the trade.
False Start
Footballguy
Is it safe to say Richardson is the biggest bust of the year?
cstu
Footballguy
Considering his owners started him almost every week, yes. Spiller is close but his owners benched him and probably got more points from someone else.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I would say yes too. I am an owner in my 20 team dynasty, but yet again, I still wouldn't trade him for really anyone (for the type of league im in, being so many teams). Was offered Spiller... I know some would probably accept that offer... But I couldn't.
I see Trent as a guy with an ADP-type ceiling when/IF he does get things going in Indy. Luck is still developing himself, but his ceiling is also top 3 for the future! He will push the ball downfield,Trent will get the Goal-Line carries in the endzone (When Indy gets that O-Line solidified, his potential could then be what I envision) Last year in Cleveland he produced pretty well, and that line was horrid. He made a lot of plays I remember where he passed the "eye test" by miles. Making plays out of nothing.
Though we haven't seen that this year with Indy, and I do get a lot of crap for rostering him. (people give me the "Trent 2.0 ypc Richardson" bull####.
I see through the valley and can really vision the peak he could have... which is what im putting my money on! With Cam/Trent/K Allen/Patterson I cant look back on having such a young team with HUGE potential.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Get to the eye doctor.
In all seriousness though, I have no idea what you are looking at.
I am a clevelander, watched every game last year of course, and really didnt see anything special. He is way worse this year in every way, almost like he did nothing this offseason and doesnt practice, either.
Phenix
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Nero
Footballguy
That, is the definition delusional!!!
Koya
Footballguy
I can't speak for any other T Rich owners, but he's been solidly on my bench for so many weeks (months?), I don't remember when he last started. Spiller is injured and you know there will be ups and downs. T Rich thankfully looked as bad as his numbers demonstrated so it was an easy way to sit him... and it's not like he had even one game to make you doubt his position on the bench.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
While some might have rose colored glasses, I do believe there is something to be said for the valleys and peaks. Dynasty provides its own twists and turns and sometimes what you see is not really what is happening.
M. Lynch was left for dead in Buffalo, he's a top 3 fantasy RB by most accounts, no worse than top 5. I'm sure we have some other examples of guys who were "busts" and then refound something.
That's not to say T Rich will follow that lead, but he did score a bunch of TDs and showed he could catch balls out of the backfield last year. He never looked explosive, but he looked solid. We are a few months removed from him being the cornerstone of a franchise and in some folks mind, a top half of the first round pick in fantasy with few seeing him much worse than low end #1.
Granted, he looks TERRIBLE, but an offseason could help with a few things. Perhaps he is knicked up in a way we don't know. Maybe he need to work on getting some more speed, just a little bit to get him some room while running.
Who knows... but while the current prognosis is "worthless," stranger things have happened in football year to year. It wouldn't shock me at all if he ended up being a top 20 RB next year (I wouldn't expect it, but wouldn't be shocked either). And just knowing how fickle this game is, maybe two or three small factors come together (loses a little weight and gains speed, gets over a nagging minor injury, has less orgies and therefore more energy, who knows) and he is back to not a star, but a very solid contributor.
Again, M. Lynch was worthless too IIRC.
M. Lynch was left for dead in Buffalo, he's a top 3 fantasy RB by most accounts, no worse than top 5. I'm sure we have some other examples of guys who were "busts" and then refound something.
That's not to say T Rich will follow that lead, but he did score a bunch of TDs and showed he could catch balls out of the backfield last year. He never looked explosive, but he looked solid. We are a few months removed from him being the cornerstone of a franchise and in some folks mind, a top half of the first round pick in fantasy with few seeing him much worse than low end #1.
Granted, he looks TERRIBLE, but an offseason could help with a few things. Perhaps he is knicked up in a way we don't know. Maybe he need to work on getting some more speed, just a little bit to get him some room while running.
Who knows... but while the current prognosis is "worthless," stranger things have happened in football year to year. It wouldn't shock me at all if he ended up being a top 20 RB next year (I wouldn't expect it, but wouldn't be shocked either). And just knowing how fickle this game is, maybe two or three small factors come together (loses a little weight and gains speed, gets over a nagging minor injury, has less orgies and therefore more energy, who knows) and he is back to not a star, but a very solid contributor.
Again, M. Lynch was worthless too IIRC.
I'm not sure I get the Lynch comparison. Lynch somehow fell out of favor with the Bills, but in his first two years he still had two 1000+ yard rushing (1300 total yards) seasons at 4.0 and 4.1 ypc with 16 total TDs. He also had 16 20+ yard plays (11 runs and 5 receptions) and 4 40+ yard plays, showing some explosiveness. Richardson has a 3.4 career ypc and has only 2 20+ yard rushes in 406 carries, which shows lack of explosiveness. Richardson has 7 20+ yard receptions, but having seen 2 of his receptions this year, they were wide open and he still got tackled easily at the least amount of yards. Amazingly, his long play in 478 touches is 32 yards.
So again, I don't get the Lynch comparisons as Lynch was nowhere near as bad in his first two years. He had a terrible third year, but obviously Seattle saw what he did his first two years and took a chance on him.
If Donald, left for dead, Brown can almost double his ypc this year and also in just 89 touches have a 50 yard run and a 28 yard reception, both longer than any run or reception that Richardson has in his career, then you shouldn't be able to compare him to Lynch.
Sure, he might get better, but the signs don't look good at all and Cleveland made a helluva trade.
So again, I don't get the Lynch comparisons as Lynch was nowhere near as bad in his first two years. He had a terrible third year, but obviously Seattle saw what he did his first two years and took a chance on him.
If Donald, left for dead, Brown can almost double his ypc this year and also in just 89 touches have a 50 yard run and a 28 yard reception, both longer than any run or reception that Richardson has in his career, then you shouldn't be able to compare him to Lynch.
Sure, he might get better, but the signs don't look good at all and Cleveland made a helluva trade.
cstu
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Lynch hit a woman with his car while drunk driving and fled the scene. Upper brass in Buffalo was a bunch of old dudes who put character above talent. Adios to Buffalo....HELLO SEATTLE!
Trent has orgies and video tapes them. No comparison.
Trent has orgies and video tapes them. No comparison.
