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The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

ptsteelers said:
cstu said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
:shrug: I'll never be a big fan, but he looked fine. The 2 runs he had a hole, he found them. Which is an improvement from last season.
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His carries:

8, 4, 0, 3, -2.
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Cool, but did he look lost again,
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if there's one place richardson should know like the back of his hand it's 2 yards behind the LoS

I'd think he's more likely to get lost when he strays 10 yards out on occasion.

 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson managed 13 yards on five carries in the Colts' preseason opener Thursday night against the Jets.

With Ahmad Bradshaw resting, T-Rich worked as the Colts' every-down back with the first-team offense. Richardson looked about the same as he did last season, stutter stepping in the hole and waiting for lanes to open. The Colts' O-Line did get movement on his initial eight-yard gain, but Richardson was stuffed for a combined five yards on his other four carries. We didn't notice any increase in explosion or burst from the third-year back. Richardson remains a dicey pick at his early-fifth-round Average Draft Position.

Aug 7 - 8:18 PM
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In a dynasty league I offered Ingram and 2 second rd picks for Richardson this morning and I'm glad he rejected it. As a Colts fan I must have had a brain fart.

 
Does anyone else see the irony in Richardson being blasted for his YPC in this preseason game while Christian Michael is getting drooled over for nearly the same YPC in his thread?

 
jurb26 said:
Does anyone else see the irony in Richardson being blasted for his YPC in this preseason game while Christian Michael is getting drooled over for nearly the same YPC in his thread?
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well, to be fair, they've each already gotten 60 pages of respective blast and drool -- don't think it's entirely based on 3 carries in week 1 pre

 
jurb26 said:
Does anyone else see the irony in Richardson being blasted for his YPC in this preseason game while Christian Michael is getting drooled over for nearly the same YPC in his thread?
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But Rotoworld says Michael looked like "he was shot out of a cannon" - on his way to that 2.3 ypc.

 
The Jets run defense is very stout and Richardson was mostly bottled up. He did hesitate hitting the hole on one run which cost him at least a couple of yards, but it's honestly tough to take anything away from last night's game. The offenses were very vanilla.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The Jets run defense is very stout and Richardson was mostly bottled up. He did hesitate hitting the hole on one run which cost him at least a couple of yards, but it's honestly tough to take anything away from last night's game. The offenses were very vanilla.
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Agreed.

 
SacramentoBob said:
This reminds me of that time Fred Taylor had 7 yards on 7 carries in the preseason and his value tanked. Good call there.
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Yep, that is a hell of a comparison. Why don't we find Barry Sanders worst game and show how that means TRich's results are meaningless.

Pre-season is what it is and it isn't the best place to get all of your info, but if people watching saw him (in only 5 carries) doing the same kind of dancing/hesitating that he did last year, that isn't a good sign. Personally, I watched the Redskins game as I have a decision on keeping Morris. While he only had 5 carries, he looked great. No hesitation, hitting every hole when there and getting every yard. He even had a target in which RG3 threw a bad pass (and admitted it in the huddle with a my bad). So, while it is vanilla, those small possessions can show a lot. You just need to be careful not to read into everything, i.e., Cincy won't give up 39 points per game, so Kelce's long TD against 2nd stringers right before half time probably won't happen again the regular season. He looked fast, but you need to see who he did it against and temper it a bit. There were posts in that thread about him being the next Graham/Gronk.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
jurb26 said:
Does anyone else see the irony in Richardson being blasted for his YPC in this preseason game while Christian Michael is getting drooled over for nearly the same YPC in his thread?
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But Rotoworld says Michael looked like "he was shot out of a cannon" - on his way to that 2.3 ypc.
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Rotoworld has become like the people at the track in that one scene in let it ride. Basically anything they say, do the opposite and you're probably pretty well off.I was reading their blurb on Rivers, which said that though he has looked great in preseason, and in camp, and finished QB6 last year, guys like Romo and Cutler are better bets at their ADP because the Chargers aren't going to throw the ball. Romo and Cutler. Better bets as a qb1.

 
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Looks like Lamar Miller is a bust guys. He only managed 11 yards on 4 carries (2.8 ypc)

Matt Forte is going to be garbage as well with his 3 carries for -5 yards. SELL him now!

 
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georg013 said:
Looks like Lamar Miller is a bust guys. He only managed 11 yards on 4 carries (2.8 ypc)

Matt Forte is going to be garbage as well with his 3 carries for -5 yards. SELL him now!
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I see what you're trying here but you should probably avoid including guys that are proven studs.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
jurb26 said:
MoveToSkypager said:
Dr. Octopus said:
georg013 said:
Looks like Lamar Miller is a bust guys. He only managed 11 yards on 4 carries (2.8 ypc)
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I agree.
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I imagine he wasn't expecting much pushback on this one :confused:
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But Miller was shot out of a cannon on his long carry.
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Then he may be facing a suspension for cheating, making him an even bigger bust.
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LOL. I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking it was funny to use Forte and Miller as examples. For old schoolers that's like using Barry Sanders and Rashaan Salaam as a comparison as if they are remotely the same.
 
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.

 
The biggest problem is along the offensive line, where the Colts already have lost left guard Donald Thomas for the season because of a torn right quad.

His injury put the Colts in the precarious position of going with what could be one of the youngest interior lines in the league — a rookie and two second-year players, including Holmes.

They tried to create a backup plan during the offseason by signing former Cowboys center Phil Costa in free agency. But Costa surprised Indy when he retired in April.

Thomas' injury opened the door for second-round draft pick Jack Mewhort and former Bears starter Lance Louis, who was out of the league last season, to battle for the starting job. Second-year guard Hugh Thornton has moved from the left side to the right this year, and it doesn't appear the Colts are planning to move him again.

And with backup Xavier Nixon posting on Twitter that he's about to undergo surgery for his injured leg, the Colts brought back undrafted rookie guard Marcus Hall, who was cut in June.

Khaled Holmes' ankle injury may create the biggest obstacle. His backup is Jonotthan Harrison, an undrafted rookie from Florida, who was part of a botched snap after entering Thursday's game. The third-down miscue forced the Colts to settle for a field goal.

The Colts insist they're confident center Khaled Holmes, who played just 12 offensive snaps last season as a rookie, can excel.
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http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/sports/article/Colts-awaiting-results-on-4-injured-players-5677609.php

 
the poor line play didnt seem to affect D. Herron who,last night, avg'd a full 1.1 ypc better than Richardson. at some point, you Richardson people need to come to grips with it - Richardson is ,perhaps, the single biggest bust in NFL history..

 
Tanner9919 said:
the poor line play didnt seem to affect D. Herron who,last night, avg'd a full 1.1 ypc better than Richardson. at some point, you Richardson people need to come to grips with it - Richardson is ,perhaps, the single biggest bust in NFL history..
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This is hyperbole - he's a below average RB, but not in the same territory of bust as Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell.

 
Tanner9919 said:
the poor line play didnt seem to affect D. Herron who,last night, avg'd a full 1.1 ypc better than Richardson. at some point, you Richardson people need to come to grips with it - Richardson is ,perhaps, the single biggest bust in NFL history..
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You, sir, must not remember Lawrence Phillips.

 
Tanner9919 said:
the poor line play didnt seem to affect D. Herron who,last night, avg'd a full 1.1 ypc better than Richardson. at some point, you Richardson people need to come to grips with it - Richardson is ,perhaps, the single biggest bust in NFL history..
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The Donald Brown argument. Sure, he was running against the third team defense and averaged 2.999 yards per carry. But yeah, he THRIVED. Seriously?

 
1st run was great, 2nd was ok, next one he had no chance, one after that was decent, but the last one where he should have bounced to the inside where he had basically daylight to the endzone but instead cut inside and created contact and went down, that was inexcusable for a third-year back.

I hope Pagano makes him watch that run 50 times in a row. He has got to stop doing that. He needs to trust his speed to make the edge instead of turning himself into a battering ram when he doesn't need to.

Also still running with what I would call hesitation. He did not look explosive on any of his runs. He's obviously got a mental block for some reason in the pros. He never had that problem in college.

I think he needs a psychologist more than a coach.

 
Bri said:
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.
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Who is it that hates him exactly? So if you ignore his performance in his career to date, continuing into this preseason where he was yet again outperformed by an allegedly greatly inferior RB you don't fall into that category; but if you actually use his career stats compared with numerous other RBs running on the same team in the same offense with the same o-lines, RBs to whom he is supposed to have a vastly superior skill set - that makes you a hater?

That's kind of a peculiar view, don't you think?

 
Bronco Billy said:
Bri said:
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.
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Who is it that hates him exactly? So if you ignore his performance in his career to date, continuing into this preseason where he was yet again outperformed by an allegedly greatly inferior RB you don't fall into that category; but if you actually use his career stats compared with numerous other RBs running on the same team in the same offense with the same o-lines, RBs to whom he is supposed to have a vastly superior skill set - that makes you a hater?

That's kind of a peculiar view, don't you think?
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Come on Bronco! Did you even watch the game? It's not like you to just go throwing things around like that!

Against the first team, Herron had 5 yards on 5 carries. 1 YPC. In comes the second team and then he managed a little more room.

And I do mean a little. That whole post is invalid. You don't like TRich. Fair enough. But to say Herron "outperformed" him is irresponsible.

 
georg013 said:
Bronco Billy said:
Bri said:
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.
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Who is it that hates him exactly? So if you ignore his performance in his career to date, continuing into this preseason where he was yet again outperformed by an allegedly greatly inferior RB you don't fall into that category; but if you actually use his career stats compared with numerous other RBs running on the same team in the same offense with the same o-lines, RBs to whom he is supposed to have a vastly superior skill set - that makes you a hater?That's kind of a peculiar view, don't you think?
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Come on Bronco! Did you even watch the game? It's not like you to just go throwing things around like that!Against the first team, Herron had 5 yards on 5 carries. 1 YPC. In comes the second team and then he managed a little more room.

And I do mean a little. That whole post is invalid. You don't like TRich. Fair enough. But to say Herron "outperformed" him is irresponsible.
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"Like" has nothing to do with it. I don't know him personally and could care less whether I would in the future or not.

So you're hanging your assessment on how he performed on comparison to Herron in first team carries? Is Herron a credible proven NFL RB that the comparison merits in any way any meaningful information in regard to whether Richardson has turned a career corner now? As Herron was performing against talent that was his equal and likely better in a game situation, he significantly outperformed Richardson under similarly comparative opportunities - something that has been a trademark throughout Richardson's career. He gets outperformed by allegedly lesser backs as a norm. So you're willing to continue

to simply ignore that? Why?

 
Bronco Billy said:
georg013 said:
Bronco Billy said:
Bri said:
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.
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Who is it that hates him exactly? So if you ignore his performance in his career to date, continuing into this preseason where he was yet again outperformed by an allegedly greatly inferior RB you don't fall into that category; but if you actually use his career stats compared with numerous other RBs running on the same team in the same offense with the same o-lines, RBs to whom he is supposed to have a vastly superior skill set - that makes you a hater?That's kind of a peculiar view, don't you think?
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Come on Bronco! Did you even watch the game? It's not like you to just go throwing things around like that!Against the first team, Herron had 5 yards on 5 carries. 1 YPC. In comes the second team and then he managed a little more room.

And I do mean a little. That whole post is invalid. You don't like TRich. Fair enough. But to say Herron "outperformed" him is irresponsible.
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"Like" has nothing to do with it. I don't know him personally and could care less whether I would in the future or not. So you're hanging your assessment on how he performed on comparison to Herron in first team carries? Is Herron a credible proven NFL RB that the comparison merits in any way any meaningful information in regard to whether Richardson has turned a career corner now? As Herron was performing against talent that was his equal and likely better in a game situation, he significantly outperformed Richardson under similarly comparative opportunities - something that has been a trademark throughout Richardson's career. He gets outperformed by allegedly lesser backs as a norm. So you're willing to continue

to simply ignore that? Why?
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Im saying, that anyone running in here clamouring about how much better Herron looked behind the same line is reaching. Big time. Im not against arguments that TRich has underperformed. But reaching like that to make a point is careless and I didnt expect it coming from you. Thats all.
 
Any chance they make a run at Alex Boone, since he appears to be on the block? I'm not sure how he'd fit in their scheme, or how much cap room they have, but they aren't looking good right now along that line.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Bri said:
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.
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Who is it that hates him exactly? So if you ignore his performance in his career to date, continuing into this preseason where he was yet again outperformed by an allegedly greatly inferior RB you don't fall into that category; but if you actually use his career stats compared with numerous other RBs running on the same team in the same offense with the same o-lines, RBs to whom he is supposed to have a vastly superior skill set - that makes you a hater?

That's kind of a peculiar view, don't you think?
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soooo what were your thoughts on their lines run blocking? It was also brought up in a post after mine about how young the interior is.

 
Bri said:
Bronco Billy said:
Bri said:
For all the Richardson haters, did you see the preseason game? Their linemen deserve to have BP or Cowher throw a tantrum at them for horrible effort run blocking. Some old school coach can have them run 1000 laps. Or in today's NFL maybe it's cut some player to send a message. I don't know what....but that was ridiculous.
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Who is it that hates him exactly? So if you ignore his performance in his career to date, continuing into this preseason where he was yet again outperformed by an allegedly greatly inferior RB you don't fall into that category; but if you actually use his career stats compared with numerous other RBs running on the same team in the same offense with the same o-lines, RBs to whom he is supposed to have a vastly superior skill set - that makes you a hater?That's kind of a peculiar view, don't you think?
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soooo what were your thoughts on their lines run blocking? It was also brought up in a post after mine about how young the interior is.
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I think they need to get better. But now you're making an argument even stronger against Richardson. He's not decisive and he can only get what's blocked for him. And by the looks of things what's blocked will be less than standard by NFL measurements. IND needs a RB who can create something for himself and exploit smaller seams that won't be open as long. Richardson continues to prove he can't be that kind of back.
 
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georg013 said:
Looks like Lamar Miller is a bust guys. He only managed 11 yards on 4 carries (2.8 ypc)

Matt Forte is going to be garbage as well with his 3 carries for -5 yards. SELL him now!
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looks like richardson is a bust, guys

he only managed 563 yds on 188 carries last year (3.0 ypc)

 
Clifford said:
Also still running with what I would call hesitation. He did not look explosive on any of his runs. He's obviously got a mental block for some reason in the pros. He never had that problem in college.
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This was my biggest problem with him last year. Just no explosion when he gets the ball. Too much hesitating and dancing for a guy with his size and speed. He really needs to "take the diaper off" and run like his ### is on fire.
 
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Bradshaw in the 11th -12th round is looking more and more like highway robbery.,,,especially in ppr. He'll be on all my teams this year as an RB4/5

 
undercover said:
James to Mentor Richardson

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11334109/edgerrin-james-former-indianapolis-colts-running-back-wants-mentor-trent-richardson
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"Now he has a chance to put in the proper time and the proper work and get to know his teammates and know the different plays so he can go out and play like he did when he came out of the University of Alabama."
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Sorry Edge, knowing the plays isn't what made Richardson a dominant college runner. Having far and away the best OL in the NCAA did. Call back when the Colts have the same.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
undercover said:
James to Mentor Richardson

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11334109/edgerrin-james-former-indianapolis-colts-running-back-wants-mentor-trent-richardson
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"Now he has a chance to put in the proper time and the proper work and get to know his teammates and know the different plays so he can go out and play like he did when he came out of the University of Alabama."
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Sorry Edge, knowing the plays isn't what made Richardson a dominant college runner. Having far and away the best OL in the NCAA did. Call back when the Colts have the same.
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Edge knows the plays?

 
Bri said:
MoveToSkypager said:
undercover said:
James to Mentor Richardson

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11334109/edgerrin-james-former-indianapolis-colts-running-back-wants-mentor-trent-richardson
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"Now he has a chance to put in the proper time and the proper work and get to know his teammates and know the different plays so he can go out and play like he did when he came out of the University of Alabama."
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Sorry Edge, knowing the plays isn't what made Richardson a dominant college runner. Having far and away the best OL in the NCAA did. Call back when the Colts have the same.
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Edge knows the plays?
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My source says yes.

 
Is trent really dumb or something? Why does he have so many problems with everything? You really never hear about other RBs having all those issues, even with undrafted and free agent RBs signing with new teams

 
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