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The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

mnmplayer said:
Tango said:
Tango said:
1st and goal from the 2. Bradshaw has been in, but the quarter break gives TRich a chance to come in.

This. This is the moment where Trich owners' hopes are raised....just to have them crushed moments later. Enjoy it...
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Peeerrrrfffeeecccctttt
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And with that sarcastic remark queue the inevitable Bradshaw foot injury.
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What's nice about TRich's stat line in CBS right now...is that with exactly 0 yards, TRich's stat-line is completely blank.

As if he never showed up.

This would be amusing if he wasnt in my starting lineup.

 
FGITLOTR said:
He's been atrocious, but with Bradshaw possibly out for an extended time, I'm starting him as a flex.
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It wont matter....he is just dreadful. A total and complete bust. I can't even rationalize how anyone can defend him anymore nor have them in your lineup unless you're that desperate for a body at the flex.

 
Todem said:
FGITLOTR said:
He's been atrocious, but with Bradshaw possibly out for an extended time, I'm starting him as a flex.
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It wont matter....he is just dreadful. A total and complete bust. I can't even rationalize how anyone can defend him anymore nor have them in your lineup unless you're that desperate for a body at the flex.
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All true, and yes....there is plenty of desperation out there.

Of course the odds re that TRich becomes a relevant contributor in deep leagues from here forward.

 
Sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter that initial indications are Ahmad Bradshaw broke his ankle in Sunday night's loss to the Patriots.

It's a crippling blow to a Super Bowl contender because even if surgery isn't needed, a bone fracture typically takes at least 4-6 weeks to heal. Bradshaw, who has a long and ugly history of foot/ankle injuries, was a key cog in the Colts' explosive offense this season, leading the team in rushing yards (425) and YPC (4.72) while also catching six touchdowns. They'll have to give struggling Trent Richardson, already averaging 15.2 touches per game, even more work. Dan "Boom" Herron will step into the No. 2 role and is worth an add in 12-team formats.
Related: Trent Richardson, Dan Herron

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Nov 17 - 8:05 AM
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7 carries, zero yards. :lmao: He's now in a photo finish with Zack Crockett for the 2nd-worst career YPR from a guy with 500+ career carries in the Super Bowl era.

I remember being a Phillies ticket-holder in the mid-'80s and watching an otherwise decent team trot out Steve Jeltz at shortstop game ... after game ... after game. For FOUR YEARS he was their everyday shortstop, despite possessing a .210 career average, little speed, and zero power (literally - he went 4+ years without a single HR). I remember the collective groans that went up at the Vet every time his name was announced in the starting lineup.

So look on the bright side, Colts fans: you almost certainly won't have to suffer as long as we did.

 
He is painful to watch. He is the slowest RB to the line I think have ever seen. After this year, I find it hard that the Colts will not move on from him. Dan Herron is going to step in and look better than Richardson and it will be comical that Richardson is passed on the depth chart yet again.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
7 carries, zero yards. :lmao: He's now in a photo finish with Zack Crockett for the 2nd-worst career YPR from a guy with 500+ career carries in the Super Bowl era.

I remember being a Phillies ticket-holder in the mid-'80s and watching an otherwise decent team trot out Steve Jeltz at shortstop game ... after game ... after game. For FOUR YEARS he was their everyday shortstop, despite possessing a .210 career average, little speed, and zero power (literally - he went 4+ years without a single HR). I remember the collective groans that went up at the Vet every time his name was announced in the starting lineup.

So look on the bright side, Colts fans: you almost certainly won't have to suffer as long as we did.
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yeah, but crockett beats him out in td 36-16

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
this year, I find it hard that the Colts will not move on from him. Dan Herron is going to step in and look better than Richardson and it will be comical that Richardson is passed on the depth chart yet again.
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Richardson will be cut, no way are they keeping him for $3.2M as their 3rd string RB.

 
cstu said:
VaTerp said:
Of course T-Rich has some FF value b/c again he is force fed touches in a high octane offense so if you have him in your lineup then more power to you. But I like to have fun playing FF. Watching this guy chase mediocrity while on my roster would not be my idea of fun.

Face it. He sucks. In fact, he is a historically bad RB. Of all of 344 RBs since the NFL merger to amass 500 career carries Richardson is basically THE WORST in terms of ypc. His 3.31 avg is only head of Michael Haddix and behind Zack Crocket, both of who were mainly FBs.

One could make the argument that T-Rich is THE worst starting RB in the last 45 years of NFL football. Think about that.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/10/trent_richardson_becomes_histo.html
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Only one RB with 500 carries in their career has had a worse YPC than his 3.32:

1983 8th overall pick by the Eagles - Michael Haddix

He was taken before HOFers Marino, Kelly, Bruce Matthews and Darrell Green. Haddix's name rarely comes up in worst draft bust conversations but he should be near the top.

Once Richardson gets 15 more carries there will be no other RB with as many carries and a worse YPC.
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Congratulations Trent, you are #1!

 
Wow, I couldn't see the game, did not look up any numbers, just read up on the thread and thought: "Holly Cow, Richardson must have stunk up the place beyond belief."

And then I looked up the stats for both RBs.

Some serious growing-up needed in this place. Having to comb through this type of crap makes me move further and further away from the FBG forum.

Now, who will be first to remind me that Bradshaw looked like Jamaal Charles on his 4 yards, while Richardson was 3 times worse than his stats suggest?

 
Zdravko said:
Wow, I couldn't see the game, did not look up any numbers, just read up on the thread and thought: "Holly Cow, Richardson must have stunk up the place beyond belief."

And then I looked up the stats for both RBs.

Some serious growing-up needed in this place. Having to comb through this type of crap makes me move further and further away from the FBG forum.

Now, who will be first to remind me that Bradshaw looked like Jamaal Charles on his 4 yards, while Richardson was 3 times worse than his stats suggest?
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Bradshaw stats were 7 for 4, so he didnt do much better. Trent actually did better then Bradshaw last night. Lots of hate for Trent, not saying its unfair because he does stink but to avoid his opportunity is not the best idea.

 
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It seems wrong for me to cut the guy now, after Bradshaw's injury, yet I'm about to do just that. He is just so horrible I can't ever fathom him in my lineup. I actually want my opponents to pick him up.

 
Zdravko said:
Wow, I couldn't see the game, did not look up any numbers, just read up on the thread and thought: "Holly Cow, Richardson must have stunk up the place beyond belief."

And then I looked up the stats for both RBs.

Some serious growing-up needed in this place. Having to comb through this type of crap makes me move further and further away from the FBG forum.

Now, who will be first to remind me that Bradshaw looked like Jamaal Charles on his 4 yards, while Richardson was 3 times worse than his stats suggest?
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So you saw the seven rushes for zero yards, then?

 
Houston turmOiler said:
It seems wrong for me to cut the guy now, after Bradshaw's injury, yet I'm about to do just that. He is just so horrible I can't ever fathom him in my lineup. I actually want my opponents to pick him up.
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We used to have these same conversations about Mark Ingram. Ced Benson too, and probably Thomas Jones way back when. I see what everyone else sees when I watch him play, but we know the talent is there. Dude was billed by pretty much everyone as the best raw talent since AP to come out of school. Fact is, his numbers are better than Ingram's were at this point in Ingram's career. I traded Ingram in the offseason for Mike Wallace, and thought the other guy was the sucker. Sometimes the light does not go on right away.

I can understand wanting to cut him. No chance I would do that though. Especially now.

 
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ChuckLiddell said:
Houston turmOiler said:
It seems wrong for me to cut the guy now, after Bradshaw's injury, yet I'm about to do just that. He is just so horrible I can't ever fathom him in my lineup. I actually want my opponents to pick him up.
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We used to have these same conversations about Mark Ingram. Ced Benson too, and probably Thomas Jones way back when. I see what everyone else sees when I watch him play, but we know the talent is there. Dude was billed by pretty much everyone as the best raw talent since AP to come out of school. Fact is, his numbers are better than Ingram's were at this point in Ingram's career. I traded Ingram in the offseason for Mike Wallace, and thought the other guy was the sucker. Sometimes the light does not go on right away. I can understand wanting to cut him. No chance I would do that though. Especially now.
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Yeah it seems wrong due to the timing if nothing else. He just looks so bad though

 
ChuckLiddell said:
Houston turmOiler said:
It seems wrong for me to cut the guy now, after Bradshaw's injury, yet I'm about to do just that. He is just so horrible I can't ever fathom him in my lineup. I actually want my opponents to pick him up.
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We used to have these same conversations about Mark Ingram. Ced Benson too, and probably Thomas Jones way back when. I see what everyone else sees when I watch him play, but we know the talent is there. Dude was billed by pretty much everyone as the best raw talent since AP to come out of school. Fact is, his numbers are better than Ingram's were at this point in Ingram's career. I traded Ingram in the offseason for Mike Wallace, and thought the other guy was the sucker. Sometimes the light does not go on right away.

I can understand wanting to cut him. No chance I would do that though. Especially now.
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Did you read the posts above? Sorry, but fact is, you are wrong. Ingram for his bad first two years averaged 3.9 ypc both years and then 4.9 ypc and this year 4.5 ypc. Richardson was 3.6, 2.99 (couldn't round since it was less than 3) and now 3.4 ypc. Richardson's best year is 0.3 ypc less than Ingram's worst year. Benson averaged 4.1 ypc in both of his first years.

Thomas Jones was the only guy comparable in years 1-3, but he also played in the RB wasteland that was the Arizona Cardinals his first 3 years. As soon as he got out of there he had 4 straight years of 4+ ypc. Last year and this year showed that Indy RBs outside of Richardson have thrived with close to 5 ypc having Luck as the QB. That was on close to 300 carries, i.e. a large sample size.

So again, Richardson is literally in a tier by himself. Even Jones deserved some leniency having Jake Plummer to take the pressure off of him when they went 15-33 in his three years in the desert. Luck as your QB is a bit better than that.

 
rockaction said:
Zdravko said:
Wow, I couldn't see the game, did not look up any numbers, just read up on the thread and thought: "Holly Cow, Richardson must have stunk up the place beyond belief."

And then I looked up the stats for both RBs.

Some serious growing-up needed in this place. Having to comb through this type of crap makes me move further and further away from the FBG forum.

Now, who will be first to remind me that Bradshaw looked like Jamaal Charles on his 4 yards, while Richardson was 3 times worse than his stats suggest?
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So you saw the seven rushes for zero yards, then?
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Regardless of how bad Bradshaw played (he's our standard now?) the fact is that Richardson had a horrible game.

 
What is extremely frustrating with him is that he's still a very good receiver - if he could run even at a 4 yard average he'd be a top fantasy RB.

 
cstu said:
What is extremely frustrating with him is that he's still a very good receiver - if he could run even at a 4 yard average he'd be a top fantasy RB.
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If my aunt had balls, etc. etc.

Richardson sucks. He got out-classed by a RB who was released from another team's practice squad earlier this year. It's funny this thread lives.

 
cstu said:
What is extremely frustrating with him is that he's still a very good receiver - if he could run even at a 4 yard average he'd be a top fantasy RB.
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Yeah, much better average than Bradshaw. Kind of humorous that the power back with the lower yard/carry gets more rushes, and the speed back with the lower yard/reception gets more targets.

 
stbugs said:
ChuckLiddell said:
Houston turmOiler said:
It seems wrong for me to cut the guy now, after Bradshaw's injury, yet I'm about to do just that. He is just so horrible I can't ever fathom him in my lineup. I actually want my opponents to pick him up.
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We used to have these same conversations about Mark Ingram. Ced Benson too, and probably Thomas Jones way back when. I see what everyone else sees when I watch him play, but we know the talent is there. Dude was billed by pretty much everyone as the best raw talent since AP to come out of school. Fact is, his numbers are better than Ingram's were at this point in Ingram's career. I traded Ingram in the offseason for Mike Wallace, and thought the other guy was the sucker. Sometimes the light does not go on right away.

I can understand wanting to cut him. No chance I would do that though. Especially now.
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Did you read the posts above? Sorry, but fact is, you are wrong. Ingram for his bad first two years averaged 3.9 ypc both years and then 4.9 ypc and this year 4.5 ypc. Richardson was 3.6, 2.99 (couldn't round since it was less than 3) and now 3.4 ypc. Richardson's best year is 0.3 ypc less than Ingram's worst year. Benson averaged 4.1 ypc in both of his first years.

Thomas Jones was the only guy comparable in years 1-3, but he also played in the RB wasteland that was the Arizona Cardinals his first 3 years. As soon as he got out of there he had 4 straight years of 4+ ypc. Last year and this year showed that Indy RBs outside of Richardson have thrived with close to 5 ypc having Luck as the QB. That was on close to 300 carries, i.e. a large sample size.

So again, Richardson is literally in a tier by himself. Even Jones deserved some leniency having Jake Plummer to take the pressure off of him when they went 15-33 in his three years in the desert. Luck as your QB is a bit better than that.
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All great points, and a very valid argument that I cannot dispute. I certainly should have clarified that by "better numbers", I was referring to fantasy numbers, not YPC. His YPC is laughable and pathetic, and you are right - a tier of his own. However, I think he has 18 combined TDs and over 2500 total yards through 2.5 seasons, which doesnt suck. I guess my main point was that I cant see cutting him. Especially in a RB class that is this weak, and even more especially with Bradshaw out. As bad as he is, he is still roughly top 30 for RBs in my league, and that is with Bradshaw in the mix.

 
He was a Top 20 RB in PPR before his last two games. So he was generating value at that time for PPR. Bradshaw was getting 3.8 receptions per game. One thing Richardson has done respectably at least is catch the ball. So if he gets all or most of Bradshaw's 3-4 receptions per game he'll generate RB3 PPR value at the very least. He also will likely be the goal line RB for an offense that can score a lot of points. So his touchdown potential is strong, raising his fantasy upside.

He could certainly bust hard. We saw that last season when the Colts finally got sick of him and turned to Brown more late in the season. So I'm not ruling that out by any means. But for the time being at least, Richardson is probably looking at around 20 touches with passing game and goal-line work on an offense that has proven to be able to move the ball on anyone. He's rough to watch without a doubt but he could easily stumble and stagger his way to (at least) RB2 value in PPR leagues with low-end RB1 upside given the potential volume and the overall talent of a Luck-led offense.

 
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