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The Trent Richardson Thread (1 Viewer)

Seems like a Rex Ryan move to bring him to Buffalo and get a young Heisman winner for a song. It's not impossible for him to turn it around. I'm holding.
I agree. I don't think it's likely, but if I had to spend my money on him or a lot of the other guys who will likely be in his new, lower price range, I'd give him a shot. Look...the guy has looked iike a bum over the last 2 years, but he didn't look that bad as a rookie. At some point, he exhibited all the things that made NFL scouts consider him a top-tier RB. Those things didn't go away completely. There's a strong likelyhood that system, and coaching played some role in this. Change that, and you could get a pretty good RB.

If you can get him for cheap, just the possibility of his upside, no matter how remote, makes him more interesting than a lot of guys out there. At his former 1st round price, not a chance...but we're beyond talking about T-Rich getting that kind of money.
He wasn't good his rookie year either- Cleveland had a good O-line and he still only had a 3.6 ypc.

It isn't the system or coaching, it's all on him. He's worth an end-of-roster hold in case the light bulb goes on, but he wouldn't even do well in Dallas right now. He should look to Le'Veon Bell to see what can happen if you actually dedicate yourself instead of blaming everyone else for your failures.

 
So seriously...what is wrong with him?

beyond he sucks...which he clearly does...

he appeared to have some talent...is it all a head/heart issue?

did he break down in college and he has nothing?

i get him not being elite...but the fact that he is such a load of crap is amazing to me
Even if Bazinga thinks I am patting myself on the back (jk buddy!), what drove me away from him in 2013 was that he had no explosiveness at the NFL level in 2012, it was all volume. I was worried that he would lose some volume because he wasn't really effective. I know he did well at Alabama, but I'd be interested to know if he was truly explosive. I didn't follow Alabama, so I can't say for sure. He didn't workout at the combine and only ran at his pro-day and I hate pro-day numbers for speed because it is never apples to apples and too many times you see people improving numbers after bad combine numbers. There is nothing measurement wise I could find to confirm his explosiveness. I don't blame him as it could have only hurt his draft stock. He wasn't ever going above the 2 QBs.

Once he got traded, the things that amazed me were his inability to grasp things (RB is the position people come in off the street and succeed) and how outplayed he was by scrubs. Seeing his comments after being released just confirm that he just doesn't mentally get it. He has been saying the same excuses since day 1 with the Colts that he was opening up things for Luck and that they were stacking the box. should be opening up huge holes since every other RB averaged high 4s/over 5 ypc. The only thing I can think of is he was just physically able to dominate in high school and then again in college with 3 1st rounders (Carpenter blocked for Trent 2 of 3 years) and 1 4th rounder on the offensive line.

 
So seriously...what is wrong with him?

beyond he sucks...which he clearly does...

he appeared to have some talent...is it all a head/heart issue?

did he break down in college and he has nothing?

i get him not being elite...but the fact that he is such a load of crap is amazing to me
I think he's overweight. Looks like he's lost a step. He may be stupid as well because he has zero vision and only appears to make half decent runs when the holes are beyond obvious. If you looked up plodder in the dictionary Richardson's picture would be next to it right now. That won't change until he drops weight. Teams may have seen enough to think he is done but he'll probably get one more chance. I can't see him coming back for anything more than a minor resurgence.
I think it is a lack of mental discipline. I think he parties, doubt he eats right. Probably does the minimum workouts and film study. I just don't think he ever wanted it bad enough. He just expected to be the best and has an enormous ego.

 
One interesting thing with TRich is that there is more of an emphasis on the combine the past two years. I can recall if Luck/RG3 threw at the combine, but I don't recall any of the top guys not working out the past two years. Yes, I know it isn't about TRich and while combine numbers don't always mean the world, maybe we need to watch for any prospects that don't work out at the combine voluntarily because their stock is already high enough. I think it said that TRich had a knee issue, but even then I saw no workout numbers except a 40 time from his pro-day. Again, #3 was his top slot no matter what, so why take a chance at dropping. That used to happen a lot, but I don't recall it happening at all the last two years.

 
So seriously...what is wrong with him?

beyond he sucks...which he clearly does...

he appeared to have some talent...is it all a head/heart issue?

did he break down in college and he has nothing?

i get him not being elite...but the fact that he is such a load of crap is amazing to me
In a nutshell, he fundamentally lacks NFL-level vision and burst. No situation change, "coaching up," or change in his personal work ethic can really fix these things. He's just not an NFL level RB talent.

No one could have seen this coming out of college, realistically -- but quite a few people made the mistake of not even considering it as a possibility. After all, until ANY player performs on an NFL field, they are a possible total bust, regardless of draft position and hype. After Richardson's rookie year, however, the warning signs were obvious -- at least to anyone looking at him objectively. And after his 2nd year / 1st in Indy, it was blatantly obvious to everyone that he just can't play. The reason this thread kept chugging along is that even into last year, people continued to grasp at and just flat out make up excuses rather than just accepting that he's a bust, in both FF and NFL terms.

 
If the search function worked
Can someone please fix the search function?
Agreed, it is awful. You can't search for anything anymore.
Not sure on the status of the search function, but we had requests this week to add this tip for searching with Google to the Free For All FAQ. I'll put it in one of the pinned Shark Pool threads as well.

If you have problems using the board software's search engine, here is a tip for searching Footballguys forums with Google.

Greg Russell, on 10 Mar 2015 - 1:37 PM, said:

Greg Russell said:
I go to google and start my search with: site:forums.footballguys.com

And then add whatever other keywords I'm looking for.

Edit to add: Since I have a google search bar on my browser, once I used it for this once, now I can just type "site" and it pops up the previous search and autocompletes it, so I can then just replace the other keywords. So it's pretty quick and convenient, don't need to remember the exact string.
 
cstu said:
The Colts paid him a less than $3.5M for two years.
I'm sure they'd match that a few times to have the 1st round pick back.
Point is that they lost much less financially than a bust they drafted with the 1st. Even though I quickly became a Richardson detractor, at the time of the trade it was the financial aspect that made me think it was a good trade.

 
cstu said:
cstu said:
The Colts paid him a less than $3.5M for two years.
I'm sure they'd match that a few times to have the 1st round pick back.
Point is that they lost much less financially than a bust they drafted with the 1st. Even though I quickly became a Richardson detractor, at the time of the trade it was the financial aspect that made me think it was a good trade.
I'd say you get what you paid for, but probably not in this case, actually

 
cstu said:
cstu said:
The Colts paid him a less than $3.5M for two years.
I'm sure they'd match that a few times to have the 1st round pick back.
Point is that they lost much less financially than a bust they drafted with the 1st. Even though I quickly became a Richardson detractor, at the time of the trade it was the financial aspect that made me think it was a good trade.
Unfortunately, that doesn't make anything right. My point is, they traded the pick, so didn't have a chance to pick a bust or a HOF. They got absolutely nothing out of the transaction, some saw it coming and some didn't. I guarantee you they wish they had kept and used that 1st round pick.

 
So seriously...what is wrong with him?

beyond he sucks...which he clearly does...

he appeared to have some talent...is it all a head/heart issue?

did he break down in college and he has nothing?

i get him not being elite...but the fact that he is such a load of crap is amazing to me
Honestly, he sounds like he has some sort of underlying mental health problem. He is clearly delusional by the things he says. Maybe some bad drugs along the way? Maybe some family history of schizophrenia?

I'll go with mostly mental, leaning towards mental health, not just being lazy or whatever.

I am not joking

 
People wrote off Thomas Jones when he was at about T-Rich's vintage. He ended up being a stud for a couple of seasons later in life.

 
So seriously...what is wrong with him?

beyond he sucks...which he clearly does...

he appeared to have some talent...is it all a head/heart issue?

did he break down in college and he has nothing?

i get him not being elite...but the fact that he is such a load of crap is amazing to me
I think he's overweight. Looks like he's lost a step. He may be stupid as well because he has zero vision and only appears to make half decent runs when the holes are beyond obvious. If you looked up plodder in the dictionary Richardson's picture would be next to it right now. That won't change until he drops weight. Teams may have seen enough to think he is done but he'll probably get one more chance. I can't see him coming back for anything more than a minor resurgence.
Who can whip him into shape? Is there even a good enough sports psychologist out there who can help him make a break through? Any coach who can fix him? I don't see it. He's a bust as a pro. It would have happened already with him if it ever was going to. He just doesn't have a pro makeup or mentality. I wish I was wrong but it's clear as anything that he lacks what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

 
So seriously...what is wrong with him?

beyond he sucks...which he clearly does...

he appeared to have some talent...is it all a head/heart issue?

did he break down in college and he has nothing?

i get him not being elite...but the fact that he is such a load of crap is amazing to me
I think he's overweight. Looks like he's lost a step. He may be stupid as well because he has zero vision and only appears to make half decent runs when the holes are beyond obvious. If you looked up plodder in the dictionary Richardson's picture would be next to it right now. That won't change until he drops weight. Teams may have seen enough to think he is done but he'll probably get one more chance. I can't see him coming back for anything more than a minor resurgence.
Who can whip him into shape? Is there even a good enough sports psychologist out there who can help him make a break through? Any coach who can fix him? I don't see it. He's a bust as a pro. It would have happened already with him if it ever was going to. He just doesn't have a pro makeup or mentality. I wish I was wrong but it's clear as anything that he lacks what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
I'm not saying he can or he can't be a pro RB , but I employ a slew of 22-27 year old "men" as stock and retail boys after they are done with college and looking for work and I can tell you most of them are only starting to mature around 24-25 years old. It's scary. I really think our society has delayed the maturity of our children by catering to them even close to their 30's. Having said that I don't see why a light bulb can't go on and T-rich can't become a very good RB. Never write anyone off

 
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He bulked up to much @ Bama ... 227 for a 5'9" frame is just to much. If could get down between 210 and 215lbs he could revive his career

The same thing happened to Ingram ... he's back down to 215 and is a better player

 
People wrote off Thomas Jones when he was at about T-Rich's vintage. He ended up being a stud for a couple of seasons later in life.
Not analogous. The Cards were a graveyard for RBs. Jones didn't succeed, but nobody else there did either (Garrison Hearst became a star after going the 49ers). Meanwhile, other backs with the Colts looked a lot better than TRich when given the opportunity.

If you invest or hold him expecting a Thomas Jones like career resurrection, you will be severely disappointed.

 
People wrote off Thomas Jones when he was at about T-Rich's vintage. He ended up being a stud for a couple of seasons later in life.
Not analogous. The Cards were a graveyard for RBs. Jones didn't succeed, but nobody else there did either (Garrison Hearst became a star after going the 49ers). Meanwhile, other backs with the Colts looked a lot better than TRich when given the opportunity.

If you invest or hold him expecting a Thomas Jones like career resurrection, you will be severely disappointed.
People wrote off Thomas Jones when he was at about T-Rich's vintage. He ended up being a stud for a couple of seasons later in life.
Not analogous. The Cards were a graveyard for RBs. Jones didn't succeed, but nobody else there did either (Garrison Hearst became a star after going the 49ers). Meanwhile, other backs with the Colts looked a lot better than TRich when given the opportunity.

If you invest or hold him expecting a Thomas Jones like career resurrection, you will be severely disappointed.
Maybe he can get on the Thomas Jones workout program.

 
People wrote off Thomas Jones when he was at about T-Rich's vintage. He ended up being a stud for a couple of seasons later in life.
Not analogous. The Cards were a graveyard for RBs. Jones didn't succeed, but nobody else there did either (Garrison Hearst became a star after going the 49ers). Meanwhile, other backs with the Colts looked a lot better than TRich when given the opportunity.

If you invest or hold him expecting a Thomas Jones like career resurrection, you will be severely disappointed.
I would say investing in him now is not smart. But he's a definite hold for another year at least. I rode Moreno to a title two years ago. Stranger things have happened.

 
What's the trade market on Trent these days? I own him in one league, paid 1.04 last year (which turned into Carlos Hyde....). Was offered a late second now, turned it down.

Am not even bothering to hope for a rebound, but at this point he can't get any worse, so hold on tight and keep dreaming for a Lynch-like renaissance

 
The Raiders are beyond pathetic. Absolute morons in the front office. I'd be ashamed to have anything to do with that organization.

This coming from a Redskins fan.

 
What's the trade market on Trent these days? I own him in one league, paid 1.04 last year (which turned into Carlos Hyde....). Was offered a late second now, turned it down.

Am not even bothering to hope for a rebound, but at this point he can't get any worse, so hold on tight and keep dreaming for a Lynch-like renaissance
Doubt anyone is going to pay more, but you never know.

 
What's the trade market on Trent these days? I own him in one league, paid 1.04 last year (which turned into Carlos Hyde....). Was offered a late second now, turned it down.

Am not even bothering to hope for a rebound, but at this point he can't get any worse, so hold on tight and keep dreaming for a Lynch-like renaissance
Doubt anyone is going to pay more, but you never know.
Yeah, I was asking myself what type of offer I would accept in a 16-teamer. 1.16 for sure, but probably 2.03-2.04, just to offload that junk.

I am really curious what other owners are getting / would accept at this point. It's unfortunate that all the ridicule from the trolls chased away the people who actually want to have a proper FF conversation.

 


@AndrewSiciliano

Browns traded a 4th, 5th, and 7th to move up one spot to get Trent Richardson. Colts gave up a 1st. Raiders get him for next to nothing.
Seriously, if it had been the Patriots who just made this move, the entire world would be knobbing Belichick. The guaranteed money has to be next-to-nothing. If he still sucks.... see ya. :shrug:

 


@AndrewSiciliano

Browns traded a 4th, 5th, and 7th to move up one spot to get Trent Richardson. Colts gave up a 1st. Raiders get him for next to nothing.
Seriously, if it had been the Patriots who just made this move, the entire world would be knobbing Belichick. The guaranteed money has to be next-to-nothing. If he still sucks.... see ya. :shrug:
If I remember right last season they only gave DMC $100,000 guaranteed on a deal netting him $3.5 million. I would guess his guarantees are in that range.

It seems like he'd be easy to sale an incentive laden contract, since his belief in himself has seemed unwavering, at least that's what he says publicly.

 
What's the trade market on Trent these days? I own him in one league, paid 1.04 last year (which turned into Carlos Hyde....). Was offered a late second now, turned it down.

Am not even bothering to hope for a rebound, but at this point he can't get any worse, so hold on tight and keep dreaming for a Lynch-like renaissance
Doubt anyone is going to pay more, but you never know.
Yeah, I was asking myself what type of offer I would accept in a 16-teamer. 1.16 for sure, but probably 2.03-2.04, just to offload that junk.

I am really curious what other owners are getting / would accept at this point. It's unfortunate that all the ridicule from the trolls chased away the people who actually want to have a proper FF conversation.
pretty sure people looking for proper ff convos aren't wasting their time in a richardson thread

 

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