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The Trump Years- Every day something more shocking than the last! (3 Viewers)

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Weebs210 said:
Some of the other quarters though. Yikes.
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I wish if you want to be partisan think about giving credit to Bush (R) who while partly responsible for the 08 crash at least teed up a good bailout recovery plan for Obama. It’s been a long road maybe too long but we do appear to be back on our feet. 

 
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butcher boy said:
guys i'm not writing a thesis paper here, its a message board for gods sake.  

Do you really want to know that a post originated from www.whogivesa####.com written by liberaljerk1969.   
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Serious question

Is there any evidence that would convince you that you've been spreading Russian propaganda that was intended to divide America?  If you believed that's what you were doing, would you feel any shame?  Or do you believe that this is ok regardless because it's not a thesis paper? 

 
JuniorNB said:
Rofl  This is hilarious to witness. Trump supporters see the writing on the wall now. They're no longer even trying to defend. It's just this little dance they do. Arguing about everything except all the facts that keep coming out. This place is going to be absolute gold once the hammer Falls. I sure hope that these guys don't just run away. 
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I was thinking how awesome this place is going to be when Trump gets to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

 
Teyana said:
I was thinking how awesome this place is going to be when Trump gets to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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Trump's going to fall into a McDonald's & Diet Coke induced coma and Ginsburg will still be going to her Pilates class and yoga. Mark my words. 

 
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Second-quarter GDP jumps 4.1% for best pace in nearly four years

Gross domestic product increased 4.1 percent in the second quarter, matching Reuters estimates.

Strong consumer and business spending as well as a surge in exports ahead of retaliatory tariffs from China helped drive economic growth.

The last time the economy grew this quickly was in the third quarter of 2014.

Still winning  :banned:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
:shrug:
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so i notice when the right compares what Obama did wrong to what Trump does wrong the left says ''oh here we go...bringing up the past to say whats happening now is ok ''

wouldnt that reasoning work here as well? whats it matter what happened in 2014...its happening now ...thats all that matters...and by the way we were winning during that 2014 quarter...that was a good thing...right??

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
so i notice when the right compares what Obama did wrong to what Trump does wrong the left says ''oh here we go...bringing up the past to say whats happening now is ok ''

wouldnt that reasoning work here as well? whats it matter what happened in 2014...its happening now ...thats all that matters...and by the way we were winning during that 2014 quarter...that was a good thing...right??
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Bahaha.  Like any Trumper would ever suggest we we're winning during any of Obama's term.  

And IB4 "you lefties never acknowledge all of Trump's "winning."

This good quarter of GDP growth doesn't come close to making up for the harm Trump is doing.  Plus it's propped up by several one time, non repeating circumstances.

 
James Daulton said:
Bahaha.  Like any Trumper would ever suggest we we're winning during any of Obama's term.  

And IB4 "you lefties never acknowledge all of Trump's "winning."

This good quarter of GDP growth doesn't come close to making up for the harm Trump is doing.  Plus it's propped up by several one time, non repeating circumstances.
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it must be literally painful for the left to say anything good about Trumps endeavors lol

its funny...im not a republican or a democrat ...i just thought what many thought...lets get rid of the status quo  and see how it goes...its been bumpy but i see the economy trending up...so i can live with any of the other foolishness...hell the way certain leftists are behaving in public  they make Trump look like a choir boy lol

 
BustedKnuckles said:
it must be literally painful for the left to say anything good about Trumps endeavors lol

its funny...im not a republican or a democrat ...i just thought what many thought...lets get rid of the status quo  and see how it goes...its been bumpy but i see the economy trending up...so i can live with any of the other foolishness...hell the way certain leftists are behaving in public  they make Trump look like a choir boy lol
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Which leftists are behaving worse?

 
BustedKnuckles said:
so i notice when the right compares what Obama did wrong to what Trump does wrong the left says ''oh here we go...bringing up the past to say whats happening now is ok ''

wouldnt that reasoning work here as well? whats it matter what happened in 2014...its happening now ...thats all that matters...and by the way we were winning during that 2014 quarter...that was a good thing...right??
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Sure, I'd say so. It's just the chest thumping credit claiming that drives some away. To me I've always felt that credit for the economy belongs to the people, and presidents should largely let the Fed handle things, have careful but loose monetary policy and don't do anything rash. The 1999 Graham deregulation bill was rash IMO. I'm happy to give Bush (Tarp I Bush), Obama and Trump joint credit, and of course most importantly it should go to we the people who are working their tails off to make this country great, which we have always done. I do think Trump is being risky with this trade war business but so far nothing dramatic has happened, which is fine, but again I think it's unnecessarily risky behavior.

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
Second-quarter GDP jumps 4.1% for best pace in nearly four years

Gross domestic product increased 4.1 percent in the second quarter, matching Reuters estimates.

Strong consumer and business spending as well as a surge in exports ahead of retaliatory tariffs from China helped drive economic growth.

The last time the economy grew this quickly was in the third quarter of 2014.

Still winning  :banned:
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All it cost us was trillion dollar deficits in a time of peace and good economy 

 
Today is a perfect example of how Trump can'tget out of his own way.  Numbers are released in the economy is up 4. 1%. That is fantastic regardless of what side you support. Who doesn't want the economy to be good? An opportunity for him to finally talk about something positive. But because of his Obama Obsession, he has to make a tweet saying that it's the better then any growth under Obama. Which not only isn't true, it isn't true five times.  Obama did better than 4. 1% on five separate occasions. I can't believe at this point Trump doesn't have someone looking at his tweets before you hits send.  as always, takes a positive and turns it into another lie making him look like an idiot.  Oof

 
BustedKnuckles said:
it must be literally painful for the left to say anything good about Trumps endeavors lol

its funny...im not a republican or a democrat ...i just thought what many thought...lets get rid of the status quo  and see how it goes...its been bumpy but i see the economy trending up...so i can live with any of the other foolishness...hell the way certain leftists are behaving in public  they make Trump look like a choir boy lol
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It's fair and appropriate to give Trump and his admin praise for the recent growth.

It's also fair to debate the long term sustainability, and there's room either way.

There is NO room to debate Trumps long history as a racist, fraudulent business man who has cheated customers and subcontractors as his modus operundi, there is no debating his terrible track record of failure as a real estate developer who ended up relying on skethy foreign investment to save his ###, there is no debate as to his admitted sexual assault and disgusting treatment of women over deaces, nor is there a debate as to his willingness to at times support, and almost never call out (and never, emphatically), white nationalists and nazi sympathizers.

So, you want to come straight? Do it.  But don't be a coward to suggest some folks won't give Trump credit, and then not face and address, like a man, the harsh realities listed above - which are NOT up for debate, but rather pure fact with significant (and often decades of) evidentiary backing. 

So, gonna come like a man and say hey, we gotta give him some credit for the economy but I admit (all those things listed above)... or gonna be a greater coward than those you wish to call out?

 
Weebs210 said:
If people are being impacted by a Facebook meme they probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Imagine being a Democrat today, you are forced to believe that a Facebook meme and Russian bots cost you the 2016 election.  :lmao:  Hillary had the full backing of the main steam media and literally spent $400 million more than Trump during the campaign.  It's just embarrassing at this point.

 
Widbil83 said:
Imagine being a Democrat today, you are forced to believe that a Facebook meme and Russian bots cost you the 2016 election.  :lmao:  Hillary had the full backing of the main steam media and literally spent $400 million more than Trump during the campaign.  It's just embarrassing at this point.
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You’re not forced to believe anything. 

Look none of us know the impact of Russians on the election. I’m skeptical that it was decisive. But if there was wrongdoing I want to know about it; don’t you? 

 
Koya said:
It's fair and appropriate to give Trump and his admin praise for the recent growth.

It's also fair to debate the long term sustainability, and there's room either way.

There is NO room to debate Trumps long history as a racist, fraudulent business man who has cheated customers and subcontractors as his modus operundi, there is no debating his terrible track record of failure as a real estate developer who ended up relying on skethy foreign investment to save his ###, there is no debate as to his admitted sexual assault and disgusting treatment of women over deaces, nor is there a debate as to his willingness to at times support, and almost never call out (and never, emphatically), white nationalists and nazi sympathizers.

So, you want to come straight? Do it.  But don't be a coward to suggest some folks won't give Trump credit, and then not face and address, like a man, the harsh realities listed above - which are NOT up for debate, but rather pure fact with significant (and often decades of) evidentiary backing. 

So, gonna come like a man and say hey, we gotta give him some credit for the economy but I admit (all those things listed above)... or gonna be a greater coward than those you wish to call out?
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i dont care about a lot of those other things ...it doesnt change how he handles the economy...everyone has a past ...both good and bad....people keep bringing up racism every chance they get ...i havent seen anything hes done in office that says hes racist....all i know is IM not racist like people on the left want to claim that EVERYONE who supports Trump is in fact racist....thats no different the the right saying everyone on the left is intolerant and violent...you have a certain number of people who are in fact exactly what each side claims they are.....but lets stop with the broad brush strokes...its beyond insulting to call someone you have never met racist based on who they support...its not like i support the KKK...like it or not  Trump is the president of the United states...im just hoping he does the right thing for the Veterans and and keeps the economy strong...everything else is just blusterfrom both sides...sorry if thats not good enough for you 

 
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timschochet said:
Widbil83 said:
Imagine being a Democrat today, you are forced to believe that a Facebook meme and Russian bots cost you the 2016 election.  :lmao:  Hillary had the full backing of the main steam media and literally spent $400 million more than Trump during the campaign.  It's just embarrassing at this point.
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You’re not forced to believe anything. 
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Democrats are not being forced to believe anything, but it's not like the Tweeter-in-Chief isn't trying.

 
Widbil83 said:
Imagine being a Democrat today, you are forced to believe that a Facebook meme and Russian bots cost you the 2016 election.  :lmao:  Hillary had the full backing of the main steam media and literally spent $400 million more than Trump during the campaign.  It's just embarrassing at this point.
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Orange kool-aid is the worst.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
i dont care about a lot of those other things ...it doesnt change how he handles the economy...everyone has a past ...both good and bad....people keep bringing up racism every chance they get ...i havent seen anything hes done in office that says hes racist....all i know is IM not racist like people on the left want to claim that EVERYONE who supports Trump is in fact racist....thats no different the the right saying everyone on the left is intolerant and violent...you have a certain number of people who are in fact exactly what each side claims they are.....but lets stop with the broad brush strokes...its beyond insulting to call someone you have never met racist based on who they support...its not like i support the KKK...like it or not  Trump is the president of the United states...im just hoping he does the right thing for the Veterans and and keeps the economy strong...everything else is just blusterfrom both sides...sorry if thats not good enough for you 
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1. Most of us here (including my friends on the left / left of me) are very clear: Supporting Trump doesn't mean nor make you racist, but does demonstrate you see ok supporting one. Same for his constant lying, his sexual assault and treatment of women, his repeated fraudulent business practices including knowingly cheating customers and subcontractors/small businesses alike.  So you are obviously ok with that which brings us to...

2. You say that you don't care about those issues like being a racist, sexual assaulting, habitually lying, fraud of a cheater.  I'd say while that doesn't mean you are any of those things, necessarily, it says a lot about your priorities, level of caring about others and character.

Though it's at least refreshing for someone to be so honest about what they do and dont care about. 

 
BustedKnuckles said:
...im just hoping he does the right thing for the Veterans 
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To the substance and issues - my friends (Vets and moreso current servicemen) are appalled at how he's treated the Military and vets. I can't speak nearly as knowledgeably as they, but any number of discussions and Facebook posts.  And his cowardly refusal to visit troops in combat zones is an abhorrent disgrace for a CIC

 
Koya said:
1. Most of us here (including my friends on the left / left of me) are very clear: Supporting Trump doesn't mean nor make you racist, but does demonstrate you see ok supporting one. Same for his constant lying, his sexual assault and treatment of women, his repeated fraudulent business practices including knowingly cheating customers and subcontractors/small businesses alike.  So you are obviously ok with that which brings us to...

2. You say that you don't care about those issues like being a racist, sexual assaulting, habitually lying, fraud of a cheater.  I'd say while that doesn't mean you are any of those things, necessarily, it says a lot about your priorities, level of caring about others and character.

Though it's at least refreshing for someone to be so honest about what they do and dont care about. 
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lifes too short to spend it wringing my fists over things i have no control over...what Trump says or does is one thing...the results are another...if his locker room trash talk affected his presidency decisions id have an issue with it...if banging a porn star changed the economy id have an issue with it...im sorry if that sounds insensitive but this crap goes on all the time in this world ....it can be exhausting worrying about everything bad that is said or done.....if Trumps style of talking to other countries gets us into a war ill have a serious issue with it...but  so far it seems to have the opposite affect ...he definitely seems to  use the good cop / bad cop tactic...at least thats how i see it...im sure others see it differently ...i would never in a million years expect dems or republicans to give each other credit for anything...i watched how the right treated Obama...it wasnt good...and its now that way with Trump from the left...annd its still not good ...its ugly and tiresome ... i have friends who are obsessed with bashing Trump every single day...i know he gives people plenty of ammo but man...give it a rest ...take a month off and chill out lol....it cant be healthy

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
lifes too short to spend it wringing my fists over things i have no control over...what Trump says or does is one thing...the results are another...if his locker room trash talk affected his presidency decisions id have an issue with it...if banging a porn star changed the economy id have an issue with it...im sorry if that sounds insensitive but this crap goes on all the time in this world ....it can be exhausting worrying about everything bad that is said or done.....if Trumps style of talking to other countries us into a war ill have a serious issue with it...but  so far it seems to have the opposite affect ...he definitely seems to  use the good cop / bad cop tactic...at least thats how i see it...im sure others see it differently ...i would never in a million years expect dems or republicans to give each other credit for anything...i watched how the right treated Obama...it wasnt good...and its now that way with Trump from the left...annd its still not good ...its ugly and tiresome ... i have friends who are obsessed with bashing Trump every single day...i know he gives people plenty of ammo but man...give it a rest ...take a month off and chill out lol....it cant be healthy
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Appreciate the honesty and willingness to post something substantive.

 
Looking solely at the 4.1% GDP number and ignoring all of the ancillary albeit important discussions, it’s not necessarily a good thing like many assume. Relaxing regulations and lowering taxes are going to produce a big bump. But looking at the long game, many economists and this particular layperson would prefer steady, unspectacular growth. An economic roller coaster is not a good thing. I don’t blame Trump or anyone else from being plessed by this growth but I think it is very short-sighted. Who is going to be shocked when these policies (and especially the tariffs) usher in a recession in 2020 or thereabouts? Trump may not be in office when it happens so his followers will surely blame his successor, but anyone that knows a whit about economics will know that we made our own bed with the policies of the current administration.

 
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