These tweaks by the Elias Sports Bureau (1 Viewer)

[Tong Po]

It seems like there have been a lot of adjustments lately by Elias. Adding a sack, changing an interception to a fumble, etc, etc. In the league I run, there have been many games decided by 1 or 2 points all season long, and in the playoffs as well. I had to adjust a score in Week 13 and it turned the game result into a TIE. Luckily, the team who originally won by 1 point ended up winning the tiebreaker anyway. But that single point adjustment almost reshuffled the entire playoff picture. So my question is, how many people have advanced to... or been eliminated from.... the playoffs because of these scoring changes?

 

[dwashington]

We ran into the 'Elias' issue a few years ago.

Our league decided to go by CBSSportsline for the final stats.

Where do you get your Elias change information from?

 

[Tong Po]

We ran into the 'Elias' issue a few years agur league decided to go by CBSSportsline for the final stats.Where do you get your Elias change information from?

My league uses RT Sports. They get their final stats from Elias.

 

[dwashington]

We ran into the 'Elias' issue a few years agur league decided to go by CBSSportsline for the final stats.Where do you get your Elias change information from?

My league uses RT Sports. They get their final stats from Elias.

The only problem is the delay from when the games are over (monday nights) to when Elias makes the change. There should be some sort of cutoff deadline for scores to be official.In the end, 'The (web)site is right!"

 

[Kasparov]

We set our cutout as the following Friday, this gives the owners a week to bring any scoring changes to the leagues attention and it also gives us time to reslove anything before more games are played. After that, if a score was changed but the owner didn't bring it up, too late, the league must move on.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

We had the final spot of our playoffs decided by this last week. After monday night the 6th and final spot in our playoffs was going to be one of two 6-7 teams...whoever had the most total points. It ended up that Team A had 1135.30 total p oints and team B had 1135.15 total points. So Team A was going to the playoffs. Then, on Wednesday they switched one of Kitna's ints to a fumble which we score as -2 pts instead of -1 for an Int and Team A's total dropped to 1134.30, putting Team B in the playoffs.

 

[poopdawg]

This past week has been the biggest bunch of BS I have ever seen in all my years in FF. It was the first week of playoffs and I was up some 34 points on Sunday night and my opponent had Manning. After Manning's fourth TD, I was still up 153.5 to 153. And lo and behold, Jim Sorgi comes in the game! I run around my house like a jackass.

Monday game comes and goes and I go to bed that night thinking I pulled off the greatest win of my life, only to wake up and see that I now lost 154 to 153.5. My opponent had the Vikings D, so what was originally an INT now turned into a fumble recovery and sack for the extra point.

What really chaps my ### is that there was no reason to change the ruling that was called. Hill was hit, but regardless of if it was a fumble or not, IT WAS STILL CAUGHT IN THE AIR, so it wouldnt have made a difference.

Oh well, thank god I still have 7 other playoff games to cheer on

 

[Limp Ditka]

This past week has been the biggest bunch of BS I have ever seen in all my years in FF. It was the first week of playoffs and I was up some 34 points on Sunday night and my opponent had Manning. After Manning's fourth TD, I was still up 153.5 to 153. And lo and behold, Jim Sorgi comes in the game! I run around my house like a jackass. Monday game comes and goes and I go to bed that night thinking I pulled off the greatest win of my life, only to wake up and see that I now lost 154 to 153.5. My opponent had the Vikings D, so what was originally an INT now turned into a fumble recovery and sack for the extra point. What really chaps my ### is that there was no reason to change the ruling that was called. Hill was hit, but regardless of if it was a fumble or not, IT WAS STILL CAUGHT IN THE AIR, so it wouldnt have made a difference. Oh well, thank god I still have 7 other playoff games to cheer on

So if a running back fumbles the ball, before the line of scrimage, and someone grabs it out of midair, the RB should be charged with an INT?

 

[EFD]

This past week has been the biggest bunch of BS I have ever seen in all my years in FF. It was the first week of playoffs and I was up some 34 points on Sunday night and my opponent had Manning. After Manning's fourth TD, I was still up 153.5 to 153. And lo and behold, Jim Sorgi comes in the game! I run around my house like a jackass. Monday game comes and goes and I go to bed that night thinking I pulled off the greatest win of my life, only to wake up and see that I now lost 154 to 153.5. My opponent had the Vikings D, so what was originally an INT now turned into a fumble recovery and sack for the extra point. What really chaps my ### is that there was no reason to change the ruling that was called. Hill was hit, but regardless of if it was a fumble or not, IT WAS STILL CAUGHT IN THE AIR, so it wouldnt have made a difference. Oh well, thank god I still have 7 other playoff games to cheer on

The thing you're missing out on here is that it's not about fantasy football to Elias or the teams/players involved here, it's about getting it right. Whether something is recorded as a sack with fumble or an interception absolutely makes a difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

[southeastjerome]

I thought that most sites get their stats from Elias via the NFL. The stat corrections in my yahoo league are the same corrections that Elias does every Thursday of every week. One week it cost our commish a game that ultimately cost him a playoff spot to the guy that beat him. It was a reversal of a sack or something.

 

[EFD]

The league makes the calls on whether something is a sack, just a tackle, etc etc. The decision is initially made in real-time at the game but each team has the right to petition the league for a reversal later in the week. I am not sure if there's a deadline but these things typically happen the day or two after the completion of the game. Some teams never contact the league on matters like this, and others go out of their way to dispute anything that puts their team in a bad light. And generally speaking the players themselves are the ones that complain the most. Most DE/DTs have performance bonuses in the contracts that pay them based on reaching certain sack levels, etc.

 

[Tong Po]

We had the final spot of our playoffs decided by this last week. After monday night the 6th and final spot in our playoffs was going to be one of two 6-7 teams...whoever had the most total points. It ended up that Team A had 1135.30 total p oints and team B had 1135.15 total points. So Team A was going to the playoffs. Then, on Wednesday they switched one of Kitna's ints to a fumble which we score as -2 pts instead of -1 for an Int and Team A's total dropped to 1134.30, putting Team B in the playoffs.

This is the exact type of situation that almost happened in my league. That's why I started the thread. What bothers me about the way RT Sports handles it is... they make the changes automatically to games that were already played. The only reason I even noticed it was because 2 teams suddenly had TIES in the standings, and we don't have ties in my league.They do post a note at the top of the page in red, but if they make the updates on Wednesday or Thursday, that's too late. Especially with the NFL Network games now. I'm not really sure how I would handled it if a team got knocked out of the playoffs as a result of the change. Especially considering Week 14 had pretty much begun already.

 

[poopdawg]

This past week has been the biggest bunch of BS I have ever seen in all my years in FF. It was the first week of playoffs and I was up some 34 points on Sunday night and my opponent had Manning. After Manning's fourth TD, I was still up 153.5 to 153. And lo and behold, Jim Sorgi comes in the game! I run around my house like a jackass. Monday game comes and goes and I go to bed that night thinking I pulled off the greatest win of my life, only to wake up and see that I now lost 154 to 153.5. My opponent had the Vikings D, so what was originally an INT now turned into a fumble recovery and sack for the extra point. What really chaps my ### is that there was no reason to change the ruling that was called. Hill was hit, but regardless of if it was a fumble or not, IT WAS STILL CAUGHT IN THE AIR, so it wouldnt have made a difference. Oh well, thank god I still have 7 other playoff games to cheer on

So if a running back fumbles the ball, before the line of scrimage, and someone grabs it out of midair, the RB should be charged with an INT?

Absolutely not. Elias is not the one to determine initially whether a play was called right or not. It is up to teams to go to the league and bring it up. So whether it was an individual player, coach, etc., it didnt need to be changed.