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This place is going to die of fear. (2 Viewers)
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Herb
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This is a good point about this place and many others. There's a lot of guys here that have opinions with which I very much disagree, but I'm certain I'd enjoy having drinks and bull####ing with.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Now can we shut it down?
SWC
Bromigo
we have no beef i am more ticked at a few attorneys who think that falsely accusing someone of antisemitism i guess because it rhymes is just funny and nothing that should bother anyone i wonder if they have any jewish clients or donors who might think otherwise take that to the bank brohan
shuke
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The Gator
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I normally agree with a lot of your posts but I think this misses the mark. Nobody was really accusing somebody of antisemitism - especially when you consider a few of the writers of the song are Jewish themselves. I realize we are in a hypersensitive time in our world but I’m not willing to ignore the obvious*. Sorry GB.
*the obvious being that the song was a parody and a joke and nobody really thinks Joe or the mods are antisemitic and even if a couple of people do, who cares - there’s people that don’t like your schtick and we can easily ignore those people too.
culdeus
Footballguy
I'm not good at the contextual clues here and read more into things that perhaps weren't there.
Don't see why this is such a massive big deal here, but whatever.
SWC
Bromigo
see here is the thing its not about your intent or bigbottoms intent it is about how it was received by the target and clearly it wasnt received well and honestly of all the stupid things to throw in just because it rhymes why go there it reminds me of something someone would say when they are younger that they should grow to regret and apologize for but instead they told joe you know the guy who gives us this space for free they told him he was quote being ridiculous because he didnt take their crap the way they thought he ought to and in my opinion thats really poor of bb and rhe let me put it this way if someone wrote a song about bigbottoms charity that falsely accused it of not helping jewish children just because it rhymed i would be equally disappointed because i believe bb put a lot of heart and soul into that charity and because it means something to him what he built and why he did it and it makes me really disappointed that he thinks its ridiculous that joes creation and work namely this site doesnt deserve the same respect but hey im just some loser in brew town and what do I know except how it looks to me take that to the bank bromigo appreciate your thoughts
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AAABatteries
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bigbottom
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Well, I wasn’t sure if you were talking about me or not, so I certainly appreciate the subsequent clarification.
I obviously didn’t get it initially. But I get it now, which is why I apologized sincerely, and why I reaffirmed all of the positive things I’ve said about Joe in this and other threads. For what it’s worth, I also reached out to Joe directly to apologize and to tell him that I was committed to doing better, but I’ll leave it at that as that’s between Joe and me. Thanks for the feedback and, as I said, I get it.
rockaction
Footballguy
I love this board.
Let me weigh in a bit. When I graduated from law school, we had a student paper run with superlatives. We were 3Ls, and graduating, and it was a light time for law school. The superlatives were a nonsensical thing, and the people running the paper picked who they thought (per reputation from my first year) was the biggest slacker on campus (me) and bestowed me with the honor "Most Likely To Buy A Law Degree." It was supposed to be a joke and be light-hearted and funny, only it didn't come off that way to a whole lot of people, myself included. It was something everybody asked about, and I had professors who had wanted to hire me and knew how I hard I actually worked asking me "What do you think of that?" I didn't really know, and sort of just went with it, but it always bothered me. It has actually followed me around the internet, and people in employment or school positions have asked about it, much to my chagrin.
So I get what Joe is saying here. The recipient of a throwaway joke can be put in an awkward position of condoning a thought or something about themselves that just isn't true. Much like the Jews and Joe joke. But at the same time, the people doing the joking were probably looking to fill something out, in this case a rhyme, in my case a category. I have no doubt from my interactions with bb on the board that he's above board, and that a joke is sometimes not truth said in jest, but a way to achieve something else, in this case a parodic rhyme. So it would seem anyway, and that's how I look at it.
So I chime in here: As the recipient of a lot of jokes wherever I've been because I wind up either famous or notorious relative to the situation (I may not be the most popular, but people consider me remarkable enough to remark on) and as a bit of a jokester in previous years, I can see both sides of this. bb has realized that maybe the intent wasn't there, but on the receiving end it was a problem. I hope Joe realizes that sometimes these things aren't ill in intent, but are just said, have multiple meanings or are throwaways, and aren't that big a deal to the speaker even if they are to the recipient.
What matters now is how to proceed and go forward. Like I said, I love this board. Let's all be cool to each other and that will go a long way towards making this an easier time for Joe and the administrators.
And that's my two cents.
DA RAIDERS
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DA RAIDERS
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@Joe Bryant
my wife cries when she hears the avicii song. She’s never spent a second on Fbgs. This place matters.
sorry to bring it up @bigbottom
my wife cries when she hears the avicii song. She’s never spent a second on Fbgs. This place matters.
sorry to bring it up @bigbottom
bigbottom
Footballguy
Please don’t apologize. It’s really something that people remember that detail. And while I can’t speak for everyone in my shoes, I will say that there are few things more important to a parent who has lost a child than that their child is remembered by others. So thank you.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
My favorite thing to do is ski. That song is in my skiing playlist. I think of Chance, EVERY single time it plays. it’s always in a moment of fierce joy of doing what I love the most. No apologies indeed.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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bigbottom
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James Daulton
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How in the heck did I miss this song?
And thanks for the trip down memory road with all the greatest hits from this board.
Lots of great memories you've had a large role in creating here Joe.
And thanks for the trip down memory road with all the greatest hits from this board.
Lots of great memories you've had a large role in creating here Joe.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
BB, you're one consistent reasonable dude. Life has thrown you tons of curveballs and challenges, and yet you remain steadfast in your optimism and positive outlook. The world would be a much better place if more folks, myself included, thought and acted like BB.
Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences and thoughts here. We are all better for it.
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Well that is certainly kind of you to say, and very much appreciated, but I’ve had more than my fair share of negative moments, outbursts and unreasonableness, including behaviors that have ultimately disappointed others, as has been noted here in this very thread. I wouldn’t wish my grief on anyone, and devastatingly there are those here in our community who have shared that experience and worse, but I will also say that the human spirit is remarkably resilient, a lesson in character that I learned from Chance. In many ways, I viewed my choice after his passing as a binary one. I either choose to just pack it all in, or I choose to go on and live life the best way I know how. Honestly, I sort of make that choice everyday.
EDIT: And heck, let me just make this thread all about me some more and link to this Radio Interview where I talk about Chance and the importance of hope triumphing over despair. I hope it’s a message that will resonate with someone who is facing a seemingly insurmountable challenge.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
This doesn’t mean as much as it used too since I seem to tear up over everything that’s nostalgic but I wept. Forgot all about this and it’s wonderful.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
We don’t agree politically on much but I think you’re a sweet, wonderful soul and an inspiration. I am not sure I could handle the things you have with such grace.
ETA- and you sure make a sweet sound out of that pie hole!
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Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
I love this board.
Let me weigh in a bit. When I graduated from law school, we had a student paper run with superlatives. We were 3Ls, and graduating, and it was a light time for law school. The superlatives were a nonsensical thing, and the people running the paper picked who they thought (per reputation from my first year) was the biggest slacker on campus (me) and bestowed me with the honor "Most Likely To Buy A Law Degree." It was supposed to be a joke and be light-hearted and funny, only it didn't come off that way to a whole lot of people, myself included. It was something everybody asked about, and I had professors who had wanted to hire me and knew how I hard I actually worked asking me "What do you think of that?" I didn't really know, and sort of just went with it, but it always bothered me. It has actually followed me around the internet, and people in employment or school positions have asked about it, much to my chagrin.
So I get what Joe is saying here. The recipient of a throwaway joke can be put in an awkward position of condoning a thought or something about themselves that just isn't true. Much like the Jews and Joe joke. But at the same time, the people doing the joking were probably looking to fill something out, in this case a rhyme, in my case a category. I have no doubt from my interactions with bb on the board that he's above board, and that a joke is sometimes not truth said in jest, but a way to achieve something else, in this case a parodic rhyme. So it would seem anyway, and that's how I look at it.
So I chime in here: As the recipient of a lot of jokes wherever I've been because I wind up either famous or notorious relative to the situation (I may not be the most popular, but people consider me remarkable enough to remark on) and as a bit of a jokester in previous years, I can see both sides of this. bb has realized that maybe the intent wasn't there, but on the receiving end it was a problem. I hope Joe realizes that sometimes these things aren't ill in intent, but are just said, have multiple meanings or are throwaways, and aren't that big a deal to the speaker even if they are to the recipient.
What matters now is how to proceed and go forward. Like I said, I love this board. Let's all be cool to each other and that will go a long way towards making this an easier time for Joe and the administrators.
And that's my two cents.
Thanks GB.
This may well be a mistake but I shared this privately with some people here yesterday and maybe it'll help other see where I'm coming from.
First, I apologize for sounding too dramatic. This was definitely a first-world problem. I'm fine. Yesterday evening, I learned of two separate issues where close friends of mine are dealing with huge and important issues. Perspective. I'm fine.
For the non important stuff - here's what I shared with some people yesterday if anyone is interested.
I admit I was surprised so few people seemed able to show empathy and see it from my side. I fully saw their side. But it seemed bizarre so few at first seemed able to see my side.
Where it's my real life and real company that's the subject. I believe that's an important distinction that's not always understood.
And maybe helpful if people think about it from the perspective of what if this was their real name and business.
I thought it was odd how I'm now supposed to feel better because the stuff about me kicking off Jews for not being Christian now was just something made up? That line was in the song because it rhymed and had the right number of syllables? And that makes it fine? I guess I should be thankful nothing worse they could fabricate rhymed or had the right number of syllables.
Taking a big picture of the forums as a whole, they're a lot. The political forum is a mess. And that exists solely as a way to try and save this Free For All forum. No one can agree on moderating except it's always the "other" side that's the problem. Some people have my cell number and text when they're suspended. The PMs are rough sometimes. People use our forum we provide to talk about how they'll never buy a subscription and some make their avatars to the logos of our Footballguys competitors. One poster recently had some over the top gross sexual stuff about my family and the thread stayed open for a while and people added comments before someone finally reported it.
It's a lot.
But on this smaller issue with the song, the few people seeing it from my side was mostly the thing. That it seemed hard to understand I'd be bummed about a big production song that everyone loves that puts me as the Ned Flanders / Church Lady with the "hilarity" of kicking off Jews or browneye jokes for young women. All while using my real name and real business.
Or not just that folks didn't see or understand my side. But that I'm being a baby or ridiculous about it and suggesting I may not know what's special about the forum.
Or somehow this thread from 2018 would make me feel better where I poured out my thoughts as politely and as detailed as I could and it mostly wound up with posters lecturing me about how much I'd erred and popular posters summing the thread with:
I'm the first one to say I make plenty of mistakes. But that's a lot to take in. And for sure, I know there are people who like me in the forum. This isn't remotely about people liking me. I know that tons of people love the forum. I know not everyone feels like those folks. But I'm not that naive. Clearly, there are a lot of folks who loved the song and feel similarly.
It has been a good reality check though. I've had too romantic a picture of the board. I'm an optimist by nature but while this has been painful, it's good to not be delusional. So getting clarity there is a good thing.
And for sure, I'm making this sound too dramatic. I'm fine. I've likely made this worse by sharing more where I'm coming from as I've whined enough already. But I'm fine.
With all that said, and it was a lot, I think @rockaction is right and I'd love us to move forward. And I'd love to drop the song discussion. I think people have explained where they're coming from with the song and that's about all one can hope for in a forum. I know I'm worn out with it.
Anytime you have a big group of people, there will be some friction. But we have an awesome community here.
Thanks.
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IvanKaramazov
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Sorry you have to deal with this sort of thing. I can't wrap my mind around a middle-aged man (this board's core demographic) acting out this way in response to getting a timeout on a message board.
Thanks GB. It's just life. And unfortunately part of the internet today. I hesitate to even share those kinds of things with the downsides as I'm not looking for sympathy and I know it'll be seen as whining. I signed up for this business. Nobody made me. But I found that it does help some people get a more full picture.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Nah nah this ain't Raymond.
Some language in this of course...loved seeing him in that role.
One of my favorite players of my youth watching the Bucks.
Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
Dying of fear is what all the American troops did back in the day...and still do to this day! 
Dying of fear is what all the American troops did back in the day...and still do to this day!
Ok, this may be reason to bring back the
Foosball God
Foos
That kind of thing isn't whining and I'd wager most people feel the same, that kind of thing is way over the line.
I also know you don't want to talk about this anymore, but I think you're discounting the amount of people that do see your point of view, but are trying to be helpful by giving you reasons why you shouldn't feel that way.
Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
You have not yet lost control... but you must regain control! You have been merciful with bannings - now is the time for more stomach roasting!Ok, this may be reason to bring back the
Bring the infidels to heel!
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I actually thought about you, Keerock and whoever has lost a child when I was watching an interview with Mike Tyson recently. Tyson lost his daughter at 4 years of age in a tragic accident.
It came around to that topic and Tyson was asked "How did you recover and move on from that?"
Tyson quickly responded "I haven't, you never really recover from that, but life goes on"
When my oldest daughter was in college she was involved as a passenger in a serious accident. Given what happened that day It was a miracle she was unhurt and is still with us. As long as I live I will never forget that phone call from the police.
Not sure how i could have moved forward had it turned out different.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
OK, I know I've been glib, which isn't the best look.
I'd like to think that if Joe had, at the time, asked (either by PM or publicly) "hey, are you accusing me of anti-semitism" we would have all said "oh, hell no!, we just think you're kind of Jesus-y" at the minimum. Knowing biggie (and it would ultimately have been his call), I imagine the song even would have been edited.
I've never run a message board. I've never moderated a message board. I can't imagine having people genuinely mad at me because I did or didn't thank the troops on Memorial Day or something. And my philosophy has always been to just have everyone say his or her piece and let things sort themselves out. Partly because moderating sounds exhausting. Moderating under the fiction of not having biases sounds even worse.
But I am serious when I say that these songs weren't put together with much of a coherent message other than remembering some things and making some jokes. There's a line about the moderators making my signature go straight when I was scoobygang. The follow-up couplet, "only room for one queer, she'll make those spics disappear" is a joke about MacArtist's less than flattering description of illegal immigrants. But it also implies the decision to make me (a heterosexual man using a Cary Grant line from Bringing Up Baby as my signature) remove my signature was based on homophobia when it was based on Joe's desire to not promote homophobia. I thought Joe was mistaken on that decision, but I obviously didn't think he was being homophobic. It was just a line to get to the next line.
I'd like to think that if Joe had, at the time, asked (either by PM or publicly) "hey, are you accusing me of anti-semitism" we would have all said "oh, hell no!, we just think you're kind of Jesus-y" at the minimum. Knowing biggie (and it would ultimately have been his call), I imagine the song even would have been edited.
I've never run a message board. I've never moderated a message board. I can't imagine having people genuinely mad at me because I did or didn't thank the troops on Memorial Day or something. And my philosophy has always been to just have everyone say his or her piece and let things sort themselves out. Partly because moderating sounds exhausting. Moderating under the fiction of not having biases sounds even worse.
But I am serious when I say that these songs weren't put together with much of a coherent message other than remembering some things and making some jokes. There's a line about the moderators making my signature go straight when I was scoobygang. The follow-up couplet, "only room for one queer, she'll make those spics disappear" is a joke about MacArtist's less than flattering description of illegal immigrants. But it also implies the decision to make me (a heterosexual man using a Cary Grant line from Bringing Up Baby as my signature) remove my signature was based on homophobia when it was based on Joe's desire to not promote homophobia. I thought Joe was mistaken on that decision, but I obviously didn't think he was being homophobic. It was just a line to get to the next line.
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Dr. Octopus
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although it may only keep me alive temporarily
i can't get enough of that cool chemotherapy
Dr. Octopus
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Joe Mammy
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
@Joe Bryant
@bigbottom
@Ramsay Hunt Experience
Just read through this thread for the first time. I don't know why everyone is trying to protect me. I almost definitely wrote the "kick off Jews for non-Christian views" line of the song. I think I was the only guy in LABS with Jewish heritage (even though I'm an atheist) and at the time I was an obnoxious jerk that got banned all the time in religious threads. I don't remember for sure, but it sounds exactly like the kind of thing I would have written back then.
It bums me out that such a stupid line from a parody song causes any sort of negative feelings from Joe all these years later. I feel like I've changed a lot since then. I think that this place and Joe personally have been a part of making me a much better person today, and I think that's largely reflected in my contributions to this board. Yes, we all get snippy from time to time, but I really try to conduct myself more positively now, and I think Joe deserves a lot of credit for that.
I hope if Joe thinks of that line in the future he' can think about the positive ways in which he's helped to turn the insulting jerk into a more thoughtful and tolerant person. Maybe then he can finally appreciate bigbottom's masterpiece.
@bigbottom
@Ramsay Hunt Experience
Just read through this thread for the first time. I don't know why everyone is trying to protect me. I almost definitely wrote the "kick off Jews for non-Christian views" line of the song. I think I was the only guy in LABS with Jewish heritage (even though I'm an atheist) and at the time I was an obnoxious jerk that got banned all the time in religious threads. I don't remember for sure, but it sounds exactly like the kind of thing I would have written back then.
It bums me out that such a stupid line from a parody song causes any sort of negative feelings from Joe all these years later. I feel like I've changed a lot since then. I think that this place and Joe personally have been a part of making me a much better person today, and I think that's largely reflected in my contributions to this board. Yes, we all get snippy from time to time, but I really try to conduct myself more positively now, and I think Joe deserves a lot of credit for that.
I hope if Joe thinks of that line in the future he' can think about the positive ways in which he's helped to turn the insulting jerk into a more thoughtful and tolerant person. Maybe then he can finally appreciate bigbottom's masterpiece.
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