Thomas Jones for Braylon Edwards? (1 Viewer)

[brednbuddah]

Local show here in Jersey speculated on Thomas Jones for Braylon Edwards.

you got a 30 yr old back who just came off a career year (led AFC in rushing and finally hit double digit TDs; 13) vs. a young stud receiver who just forgot how to catch a ball.

I think it would give whichever Jets QB that starts a bunch of weapons (Edwards, Cotchery, Keller). but the running game would immediately become a question mark (Washington, Greene).

I like the idea of the trade overall as you are really selling high with Jones for a stud receiver, who can only make Cotchery better as he really isn't a true #1 and Keller would continue to flourish with Defenses focusing on Edwards/Cotchery. however, you're not going to go far in the Nov/Dec. playoffs? without a running game.

food for thought...

 

[Crippler]

EAsy trade for the Jets to make. No brainer.

Why Cleveland would do this is beyond me.

 

[MTskibum]

No way in hell would Cleveland do that.

Rotoworld reported the other day that Thomas Jones for Branch could be a possibility, but even that might be over valuing an old running back.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

 

[loose circuits]

has Danny Woodhead been turning heads in camp? he certainly has the talent. Personally, I think the Jets would have to throw some additional compensation in order to get Braylon. this would also leave a bare cupboard in Cleveland at WR. I am not sure they can afford to do that. Maybe they could get Philly involved as a 3rd partner and throw a 4th round pick for Reggie Brown? I think Edwards stays on the team and they see what they have in the young kids. Jones isn't that much of an upgrade over Jamal Lewis and he's no long term answer

 

[EBF]

No way in hell would Cleveland do that.

Jones probably couldn't even fetch a 3rd round pick in a deal.

 

[leave a whisper]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season..... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick .... he will post good numbers in this his contract year & will be moved at seasons end (or at the trade dead-line to the giants this season).(see roy williams from the lions to the cowboys last year)

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Those local Jersey guys are begging.

 

[wadegarrett]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season..... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick

exactly

 

[SteevieG]

Probably won't happen but if it does I hope it is before my 1st pick in tomorrows rookie draft....

 

[CiscoKid]

Local show here in Jersey speculated on Thomas Jones for Braylon Edwards.you got a 30 yr old back who just came off a career year (led AFC in rushing and finally hit double digit TDs; 13) vs. a young stud receiver who just forgot how to catch a ball.I think it would give whichever Jets QB that starts a bunch of weapons (Edwards, Cotchery, Keller). but the running game would immediately become a question mark (Washington, Greene). I like the idea of the trade overall as you are really selling high with Jones for a stud receiver, who can only make Cotchery better as he really isn't a true #1 and Keller would continue to flourish with Defenses focusing on Edwards/Cotchery. however, you're not going to go far in the Nov/Dec. playoffs? without a running game.food for thought...

I honestly think this was first aired on Sirius "Movin the Chains" last Thursday afternoon - Kirwin/Ryan were discussing the Jets and if they could only keep 1 RB out of Jones/Washington (because they both want more $$$), maybe they could keep and pay Leon, and do something like trade Jones. What followed was "what about trading him (Jones) to Cleveland for Edwards? Would that work for both clubs?". There wasn't any fact behind it at all - it was more of something they came up with as they were talking.It wouldn't surprise me at all if that kind of speculation grew legs and got published and/or aired as a "serious" rumor - particularly if it was a slow news day in NY market. Anyway, I don't think there is any substance behind this one at all.

 

[Sebowski]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season.

.... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.

edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick .... he will post good numbers in this his contract year & will be moved at seasons end (or at the trade dead-line to the giants this season).

(see roy williams from the lions to the cowboys last year)

It depends on how they tender him I think. They have the option to tender him at different levels. More money=more(higher) picks.

 

[bcr8f]

Probably won't happen but if it does I hope it is before my 1st pick in tomorrows rookie draft....

That settles it, thank you.He'll be traded right after you pick.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season.

.... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.

edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick .... he will post good numbers in this his contract year & will be moved at seasons end (or at the trade dead-line to the giants this season).

(see roy williams from the lions to the cowboys last year)

It depends on how they tender him I think. They have the option to tender him at different levels. More money=more(higher) picks.

He won't be a restricted free agent, he will be unrestricted.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

No way in hell would Cleveland do that.Rotoworld reported the other day that Thomas Jones for Branch could be a possibility, but even that might be over valuing an old running back.

This one would make much more sense, imo.Although I think Thomas Jones is worth morethan a borderline useless Deion Branch.

 

[comfortably numb]

Local show here in Jersey speculated on Thomas Jones for Braylon Edwards.you got a 30 yr old back who just came off a career year (led AFC in rushing and finally hit double digit TDs; 13) vs. a young stud receiver who just forgot how to catch a ball.I think it would give whichever Jets QB that starts a bunch of weapons (Edwards, Cotchery, Keller). but the running game would immediately become a question mark (Washington, Greene). I like the idea of the trade overall as you are really selling high with Jones for a stud receiver, who can only make Cotchery better as he really isn't a true #1 and Keller would continue to flourish with Defenses focusing on Edwards/Cotchery. however, you're not going to go far in the Nov/Dec. playoffs? without a running game.food for thought...

When you say local show...was this your brother in law and best friend talking about their FF league?

 

[mad sweeney]

No way in hell would Cleveland do that.Rotoworld reported the other day that Thomas Jones for Branch could be a possibility, but even that might be over valuing an old running back.

The Branch/Jones was just a "news" person completely speculating. Based on nothing but his own imagination. Sounds like the same thing here. Just blabbering from people with no connection whatsoever to reality. The fact that these musings are "reported" is ridiculous.

 

[Sweet Love]

Local show here in Jersey speculated on Thomas Jones for Braylon Edwards.you got a 30 yr old back who just came off a career year (led AFC in rushing and finally hit double digit TDs; 13) vs. a young stud receiver who just forgot how to catch a ball.I think it would give whichever Jets QB that starts a bunch of weapons (Edwards, Cotchery, Keller). but the running game would immediately become a question mark (Washington, Greene). I like the idea of the trade overall as you are really selling high with Jones for a stud receiver, who can only make Cotchery better as he really isn't a true #1 and Keller would continue to flourish with Defenses focusing on Edwards/Cotchery. however, you're not going to go far in the Nov/Dec. playoffs? without a running game.food for thought...

I honestly think this was first aired on Sirius "Movin the Chains" last Thursday afternoon - Kirwin/Ryan were discussing the Jets and if they could only keep 1 RB out of Jones/Washington (because they both want more $$$), maybe they could keep and pay Leon, and do something like trade Jones. What followed was "what about trading him (Jones) to Cleveland for Edwards? Would that work for both clubs?". There wasn't any fact behind it at all - it was more of something they came up with as they were talking.It wouldn't surprise me at all if that kind of speculation grew legs and got published and/or aired as a "serious" rumor - particularly if it was a slow news day in NY market. Anyway, I don't think there is any substance behind this one at all.

I was going to post that I heard this at some point this past week on Sirius also (although I was not sure which show...though the hosts have a habit of piggybacking on each other's speculations). The funny thing is, whoever it was that brought it up felt it was a bad deal for the Jets behind the premise of "why trade a back that can move the chains when you may be breaking in a rookie QB on a team with playoff aspirations"...this made little sense to me as I feel we just watched Jones "jump the shark" and it will be all downhill from here. Could he go out gracefully like a Fred Taylor? Sure, but no matter who he plays for he would be lucky to lead his division in rushing let alone the conference. Unless you have an elite back, I feel the dropoff between good and fair RBs is pretty slight compared to getting a nice, big WR that has had an elite season, and has yet to reach his prime.As a Jets fan, I would rather take a chance on the running game and get some WR help. The line came together last year, and has the potential to be a top 3 line in the AFC, and that is the type of line that could make a journeyman RB look decent let alone Washington and a nice young RB in Green.

 

[Biabreakable]

Why would Cleveland want a soon to be 31 year old Jones when they already have soon to be 30 year old Jamal Lewis?

I know this is Cleveland. Did they hire Millen or something?

Great idea for the Jets to give up their veteran RB when they are bringing in a rookie QB too.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season.

.... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.

edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick .... he will post good numbers in this his contract year & will be moved at seasons end (or at the trade dead-line to the giants this season).

(see roy williams from the lions to the cowboys last year)

It depends on how they tender him I think. They have the option to tender him at different levels. More money=more(higher) picks.

He won't be a restricted free agent, he will be unrestricted.

I bet Edwards thinks the same thing. But if a new CBA doesn't get done, the current one is setup so that it automatically adds one more year onto everyone's rookie contract before they become an UFA. So Edwards would only be a RFA next year absent a new CBA.

 

[anakin]

I have family and friends who live back in Ohio and this rumor has no legs whatsoever. The GM has come out and said this will not happen. It was speculated several weeks ago.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Even though the Browns may only have Braylon for 2009, they would be nuts to trade him straight up for Jones.

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season.

.... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.

edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick .... he will post good numbers in this his contract year & will be moved at seasons end (or at the trade dead-line to the giants this season).

(see roy williams from the lions to the cowboys last year)

It depends on how they tender him I think. They have the option to tender him at different levels. More money=more(higher) picks.

He won't be a restricted free agent, he will be unrestricted.

I bet Edwards thinks the same thing. But if a new CBA doesn't get done, the current one is setup so that it automatically adds one more year onto everyone's rookie contract before they become an UFA. So Edwards would only be a RFA next year absent a new CBA.

It will mean a player has to have 6 accrued seasons instead of 4 to become a UFA (I looked it up). And the players union should not let this happen.

 

[GroveDiesel]

edwards is in a contract year .... he will want to post good numbers this year.

he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the up coming season.

.... as i understand it, if he goes to another team, cleveland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him from which ever team signs him.

edwards isn't going anywhere unless another team parts with at least a 1st round pick.... that is why he wasn't moved on draft day this year, no offer of a 1st round pick .... he will post good numbers in this his contract year & will be moved at seasons end (or at the trade dead-line to the giants this season).

(see roy williams from the lions to the cowboys last year)

It depends on how they tender him I think. They have the option to tender him at different levels. More money=more(higher) picks.

He won't be a restricted free agent, he will be unrestricted.

I bet Edwards thinks the same thing. But if a new CBA doesn't get done, the current one is setup so that it automatically adds one more year onto everyone's rookie contract before they become an UFA. So Edwards would only be a RFA next year absent a new CBA.

It will mean a player has to have 6 accrued seasons instead of 4 to become a UFA (I looked it up). And the players union should not let this happen.

It depends on how much they want the salary cap to go away. If they believe that eliminating the salary cap will get them more total money (it won't IMO) then they may try to force the issue and let the CBA expire. Then all sorts of craziness will start. But they're the ones that agreed to the UFA/RFA provisions that go into play if the league moves forward in voiding the current CBA. The union won almost every single battle in the last CBA negotiation, but this is definitely one that they lost on. The question is whether they'll be willing to sacrifice the few guys this will affect if they believe the end result will benefit everyone else.

 

[Adebisi]

 

[Banger]

Why would Cleveland want a soon to be 31 year old Jones when they already have soon to be 30 year old Jamal Lewis? I know this is Cleveland. Did they hire Millen or something?Great idea for the Jets to give up their veteran RB when they are bringing in a rookie QB too.

that was my first thought as well...is T. Jones any better than Jamal at this point? I'm not sure he is.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would Cleveland want a soon to be 31 year old Jones when they already have soon to be 30 year old Jamal Lewis? I know this is Cleveland. Did they hire Millen or something?Great idea for the Jets to give up their veteran RB when they are bringing in a rookie QB too.

that was my first thought as well...is T. Jones any better than Jamal at this point? I'm not sure he is.

He is better, as Jamal looks like toast and Jones is coming off his career season - but as I have said before when this rumor first made the rounds: this deal makes absolutely no sense from Cleveland's perspective and seems like the typical radio talk show callers trade suggestions.Why would the Browns trade Edwards for a 31 year old RB when they aren't a legit RB away from winning anything?

 

[T Man]

No way this deal goes down -- at least not a simple TJ for Braylon deal. The Browns would have to get more in return then an old RB who had a good year but wants to get more $$$ now.

THe Browns would do better either keeping Braylon and trading him next year, or tade him for picks. TJ does not make them a contender. He may be better then what they have now, but not a significant upgrade.

 

[Adebisi]

From TheBrushback.com:

Holdout Thomas Jones Apparently Unaware Running Backs Are Interchangeable

NEW YORK--New York Jets running back Thomas Jones, unhappy with his contract, has decided to skip the team’s voluntary workouts and may even refuse to report to mandatory minicamp in June. Jones, who is currently in the midst of a 4-year, $20 million contract, apparently doesn’t realize that running backs are interchangeable.

“You know I just want what’s coming to me,” Jones told the New York Post today. “I think I had a really good season last year and was a big part of this offense. Only me, Leon Washington, Ronnie Brown, Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, Laurence Maroney, Fred Taylor, Jamal Lewis, Julius Jones, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, Darren Sproles, Maurice Jones-Drew, Willie Parker, LenDale White, Chris Johnson, Selmon Young, Justin Fargas, Darren McFadden, Larry Johnson, Joseph Addai, Steve Slaton, and a few dozen others are capable of putting up the kind of numbers I put up last year, and I expect to be paid accordingly.”

Jones feels he has plenty of leverage since he was the team’s leading rusher last year.

“I think I’m negotiating from a position of strength,” said Jones. “Anytime you’re the leading rusher on the team people are going to give in to your demands. Either that or I've just misjudged this whole situation and know absolutely nothing about the financial realities for NFL running backs.”

If Jones’ absence extends into minicamp, the Jets could consider picking up a running back in the draft and plugging him into Jones’ spot.

“It's unfortunate that Thomas is unhappy with his contract, but that happens from time to time,” said Jets head coach Rex Ryan. “The good thing is that running backs are basically interchangeable and we can always find someone else to plug in there and take his place. Maybe Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells, or better yet, some nobody we grab in the 7th round who will work for next to nothing.”

(Yes, this is satire.)

 

[cstu]

Why would Cleveland want a soon to be 31 year old Jones when they already have soon to be 30 year old Jamal Lewis?

I know this is Cleveland. Did they hire Millen or something?

Great idea for the Jets to give up their veteran RB when they are bringing in a rookie QB too.

that was my first thought as well...is T. Jones any better than Jamal at this point? I'm not sure he is.

He is better, as Jamal looks like toast and Jones is coming off his career season - but as I have said before when this rumor first made the rounds: this deal makes absolutely no sense from Cleveland's perspective and seems like the typical radio talk show callers trade suggestions.

Why would the Browns trade Edwards for a 31 year old RB when they aren't a legit RB away from winning anything?

Because Edwards in the last year of his contract and Jones is still under contract for 2010 (albeit at $6M). If they aren't going to win anything this season then what's the point of keeping Edwards? They should try to get something for him while they can, although they should get more than just Jones in a deal.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I originally posted this rumor on May 5 in this thread http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...Braylon+Edwards

Anybody else see this Rotoworld blurb? I didn't notice it on the 1st three pages & didn't see it in a search. I thought I'd bump this thread since it is about a NY team, just not the Giants.

QUOTE

(Rotoworld) Browns beat writer Tony Grossi suggests that Braylon Edwards could still be traded to the Jets, with Thomas Jones coming to Cleveland.

Analysis: It's unclear if Grossi is basing this on inside information or merely adding two and two together to come up with 22, though he did boast: "You heard it here first." Even with Edwards pushing for a massive contract extension, he carries quite a bit more trade value than Jones does.

Actual quote

QUOTE

Hey, Tony: Thomas Jones is unhappy with the Jets and last season put up Pro Bowl numbers including 1,300 yards and 13 TDs. The Jets drafted Shonn Greene and already have Leon Washington. Any chance the Jets release Jones and he becomes the next Cleveland Jet? A two-headed monster pounding the rock in Cleveland would be a welcome sight. -- Aaron Howell, Canton.

Hey, Aaron: Rex Ryan knows that Mangini would scoop up Jones in a New York second if Jones were released. More likely is a future trade involving Jones and, yes, Edwards. You heard it here first.

Article link- http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...swers_y_42.html

So, what would his value be as a Jet? Any thoughts?

The writer sure sounds like he knows something...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would Cleveland want a soon to be 31 year old Jones when they already have soon to be 30 year old Jamal Lewis?

I know this is Cleveland. Did they hire Millen or something?

Great idea for the Jets to give up their veteran RB when they are bringing in a rookie QB too.

that was my first thought as well...is T. Jones any better than Jamal at this point? I'm not sure he is.

He is better, as Jamal looks like toast and Jones is coming off his career season - but as I have said before when this rumor first made the rounds: this deal makes absolutely no sense from Cleveland's perspective and seems like the typical radio talk show callers trade suggestions.

Why would the Browns trade Edwards for a 31 year old RB when they aren't a legit RB away from winning anything?

Because Edwards in the last year of his contract and Jones is still under contract for 2010 (albeit at $6M). If they aren't going to win anything this season then what's the point of keeping Edwards? They should try to get something for him while they can, although they should get more than just Jones in a deal.

That's the point. Why move a valuable commodity for a 31 year old RB? I'm not saying they will not or shouldn't trade Edwards, just that they will not or should not move him for Thomas Jones. Jones is only scheduled to make $ 2.5 MM next season and $900 K this season. However he has made $13 MM over the last two seasons after the Jets reworked his contract after trading for him an improtant fact which he seems to be ignoring.

 

[T Man]

Why would Cleveland want a soon to be 31 year old Jones when they already have soon to be 30 year old Jamal Lewis?

I know this is Cleveland. Did they hire Millen or something?

Great idea for the Jets to give up their veteran RB when they are bringing in a rookie QB too.

that was my first thought as well...is T. Jones any better than Jamal at this point? I'm not sure he is.

He is better, as Jamal looks like toast and Jones is coming off his career season - but as I have said before when this rumor first made the rounds: this deal makes absolutely no sense from Cleveland's perspective and seems like the typical radio talk show callers trade suggestions.

Why would the Browns trade Edwards for a 31 year old RB when they aren't a legit RB away from winning anything?

Because Edwards in the last year of his contract and Jones is still under contract for 2010 (albeit at $6M). If they aren't going to win anything this season then what's the point of keeping Edwards? They should try to get something for him while they can, although they should get more than just Jones in a deal.

They CAN still get something for him next year. They can franchise him (if a new CBA is reached) or they can squat on him if a new CBA is not since he does not have 6 accrued years. In short, they have a year to get something worked out. They will still be able to get something for him -- and even if they let him walk, they would likely get a 3rd or 4th rounder in 2011's draft as a compensatory pick (since Edwards would likely get a big deal).And, don't forget why TJ is unhappy with the Jets. He wants more money. Any team trading for TJ will have to rework the deal of a 31 year old RB to pay him more money now. With those facts, what is TJ worh just from a draft pick perspective. I would say not higher then a 4th (when considering age, desire for more money, and talent); maybe a 5th.

The Browns wanted a 1st rounder. I would think the Jets would have to give up a 2nd (or at a minimum a 3rd) and TJ to make this worthwile from the Browns standpoint -- unless Mangini wants a bunch of throw in Jets players.

 

[Bobcat10]

I originally posted this rumor on May 5 in this thread http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...Braylon+Edwards

Anybody else see this Rotoworld blurb? I didn't notice it on the 1st three pages & didn't see it in a search. I thought I'd bump this thread since it is about a NY team, just not the Giants.

QUOTE

(Rotoworld) Browns beat writer Tony Grossi suggests that Braylon Edwards could still be traded to the Jets, with Thomas Jones coming to Cleveland.

Analysis: It's unclear if Grossi is basing this on inside information or merely adding two and two together to come up with 22, though he did boast: "You heard it here first." Even with Edwards pushing for a massive contract extension, he carries quite a bit more trade value than Jones does.

Actual quote

QUOTE

Hey, Tony: Thomas Jones is unhappy with the Jets and last season put up Pro Bowl numbers including 1,300 yards and 13 TDs. The Jets drafted Shonn Greene and already have Leon Washington. Any chance the Jets release Jones and he becomes the next Cleveland Jet? A two-headed monster pounding the rock in Cleveland would be a welcome sight. -- Aaron Howell, Canton.

Hey, Aaron: Rex Ryan knows that Mangini would scoop up Jones in a New York second if Jones were released. More likely is a future trade involving Jones and, yes, Edwards. You heard it here first.

Article link- http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...swers_y_42.html

So, what would his value be as a Jet? Any thoughts?

The writer sure sounds like he knows something...

This was discussed in the Browns thread for a half of a second on 5/4. To follow up and put this thing to bed, Grossi was asked another question Saturday 5/16 grossi link:

Hey, Tony: I'm curious how you so easily dismissed an Edwards/Sheldon Brown trade when you wrote "Edwards is a first-round offensive playmaker who hasn't touched his potential yet. Brown is an average cornerback approaching 30." Trust me, I don't want Brown either, and the trade is preposterous. What confuses me is that you go on to speculate that a trade will go down when we give up our 26-year-old playmaking WR for a 31-year-old (at the start of the season) Thomas Jones? It takes a rare breed of running back to excel beyond 30, and I don't think Jones is really that type. I can only assume you mean Jones and a draft pick or two for Edwards. How does that deal play out in your head? -- Pat Thome, Strongsville

Hey, Pat: I never said Edwards for Jones straight up. That would be lunacy. Obviously, the Jets would have to include next year's No. 1 -- or no deal. And I don't think they would do that.