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Tie with no tie breakers previously established (1 Viewer)

ppierce

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I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.

 
ppierce said:
I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.
Sure, so what now then? Obviously anything the commish decides is going to be "creating a rule now".It's fairly amazing that no one thinks of these things before they happen. In my leagues we name on player from our bench that will be used as a tie breaker and if some how the game is still tied the higher seed wins/advances.

In your case, there is going to have to be some random event such as a coin toss - as there's really no fair way.

Some will say both teams advance to play the other semi-final winner and the highest score among the three takes the championship. Of course its unfair then to the other team than needs to beat two teams instead of one.

 
Yep, totally unfair to the team that didn't tie. I said coin flip and since the guys who tied are good friends, agree to split whatever winnings they receive.

 
Have them take turns throwing snowballs at the commish from 5 feet. First one to miss is eliminated. Accomplishes 2 things at the same time.

 
Tie in espn leagues automatically awards it to the higher seed. Thats a stupid rule. It should be bench points or total points for the season.

 
Have them take turns throwing snowballs at the commish from 5 feet. First one to miss is eliminated. Accomplishes 2 things at the same time.
Everyone joined a league in which no tiebreakers had been established. They should throw snowballs at each other, and not just the commish.
 
ppierce said:
I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.
Right, this happened to someone else and you are asking for them.

"Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."

— John Wayne in "Sands of Iwo Jima"

 
Breaking the tie at this point would be unfair to both teams. Both teams advance to the final. The other team that won to get in the final automatically gets half the grand prize money for winning its semi final. That team gets another 25% of the prize money for each team it beats. Winner of the teams that tied gets second place money. Loser of the teams that tied gets third place money.

 
Or, I assume neither have players in Monday nights game. Pick numbers to see who picks first, and then let them draft a tie breaker team of one 1 RB and 1 WR from tonight's game.

 
ppierce said:
I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.
are you using decimal scoring? if not use that to break the tie
 
Tie in espn leagues automatically awards it to the higher seed. Thats a stupid rule. It should be bench points or total points for the season.
Using bench points is way stupider.
actually its not too far off, why should season stats be considered to decide a playoff game? we could possibly have a #6 seed facing a #1 seed. shouldn't week 15 variables be more important than season variables?
 
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ANy tiebreaker at this point is unfair to both teams. Especially bench points. In leagues that I have been that uses bench points as a tiebreaker, I would always carry an extra QB or two because that would always get me more bench points. You can't chance the rules after the fact.

The only other suggestion I could make is if the league does not use decimal scoring, use it to determine the winner of this one game.

 
Tie in espn leagues automatically awards it to the higher seed. Thats a stupid rule. It should be bench points or total points for the season.
Using bench points is way stupider.
actually its not too far off, why should season stats be considered to decide a playoff game? we could possibly have a #6 seed facing a #1 seed. shouldn't week 15 variables be more important than season variables?
You shouldn't reward a guy who kept 6 kickers on his bench instead of handcuffing his best players.
 
Tie in espn leagues automatically awards it to the higher seed. Thats a stupid rule. It should be bench points or total points for the season.
Using bench points is way stupider.
actually its not too far off, why should season stats be considered to decide a playoff game? we could possibly have a #6 seed facing a #1 seed. shouldn't week 15 variables be more important than season variables?
You shouldn't reward a guy who kept 6 kickers on his bench instead of handcuffing his best players.
MFL has teams designate 1 bench player as a tie breaker for each week. but ya, any tie breaker determination now is pretty unfair, combine time.
 
ppierce said:
I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.
Right, this happened to someone else and you are asking for them.

"Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."

— John Wayne in "Sands of Iwo Jima"
You are throwing this around, again? :thumbup:
 
I like the suggestion that if decimal points were not used, that they be used and see if it breaks the tie.

Other than that, coin flip. As unsatisfying as it is, it's more fair than anything else.

 
Have them each submit a total score for the Monday night game. The closest one wins. Any other option isn't fair to either team.

 
The guy who won the other game SHOULD NOT be penalized by having to play two teams next week. I say either let the higher seed go on or flip a coin.

 
Breaking the tie at this point would be unfair to both teams. Both teams advance to the final. The other team that won to get in the final automatically gets half the grand prize money for winning its semi final. That team gets another 25% of the prize money for each team it beats. Winner of the teams that tied gets second place money. Loser of the teams that tied gets third place money.
Something along these lines makes the most sense but I don't think the other team should automatically gets half of the grand prize money. What if both of the other teams out score him next week? That means he would have finished in second place.The best and fairest way is to have two championship games.The other team vs Tied team A with the winner getting half of the first prize pot and the loser getting half of the second prize pot.The other team vs Tied team B with the winner getting half of the first prize pot and the loser getting half of the second prize pot.If you have a consolation game then the same situation applies there.If the other team beats both then they are undisputed champs and get the entire first prize money. If not then you'll have co-champs. If may not seem fair to have the other team have to beat two teams but that's more fair then having a team get screwed out of a chance because they lose a coin flip.
 
Tie in espn leagues automatically awards it to the higher seed. Thats a stupid rule. It should be bench points or total points for the season.
Using bench points is way stupider.
actually its not too far off, why should season stats be considered to decide a playoff game? we could possibly have a #6 seed facing a #1 seed. shouldn't week 15 variables be more important than season variables?
You shouldn't reward a guy who kept 6 kickers on his bench instead of handcuffing his best players.
Both strategies could backfire. If you opt to hold onto 6 kickers in the unlikely event of a tie and then your unhandcuffed #1 stud RB goes down, you're pretty much screwed. I also think that rather than total bench points owners should submit rankings of their bench. In the event of a tie each ranked bench player goes H2H with the opponents bench player of the same rank. If the first H2H doesn't break the tie then go to the second bench player and so on.

Still establishing bench points rule now is unfair because no team had the opportunity to prepare for that strategy.

Decimal scoring or a coin toss seem to be the only options.

 
Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash.

 
They should replay in week 16, while also playing in the finals.

Example.

TIE TEAM 1 vs TIE TEAM 2 (Higher score would be compared with the score of the third team already on the other side of the bracket for the title.)

vs

OTHER TEAM IN THE FINALS

or a coin toss.

 
should be total bench points, then coin toss
Total bench points should never be used to break a tie. Why penalize somebody who has Antionio Gates, Aaron Rodgers, and Chris Ivory on their bench and reward somebody who was dumb enough not to start Vincent Jackson and Eli Manning?It's too late to add a tie breaker now which is why I suggested a few posts up about splitting the finals into two different games.I think for the future a good tie breaker would be higher potential points percentage. Say if they tied at 105 but Team A could have had 120 while Team B only could have had 110 then Team B should good because they made better lineup decisions.
 
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could also run two games next week, WITH a tie breaker player designated.

1. rematch this game

2. use same score of winner in the final

essentially its a 3-way championship with the highest score of the week being the champion.

 
TIE TEAM 1 vs TIE TEAM 2 (Higher score would be compared with the score of the third team already on the other side of the bracket for the title.)vsOTHER TEAM IN THE FINALS
The problem with that is the guy who 'earned' his way in already still plays two teams. That's penalizing him unfairly.
 
TIE TEAM 1 vs TIE TEAM 2 (Higher score would be compared with the score of the third team already on the other side of the bracket for the title.)vsOTHER TEAM IN THE FINALS
The problem with that is the guy who 'earned' his way in already still plays two teams. That's penalizing him unfairly.
That's right. Team 1 and Team 2 should only be able to win at most 1/2 of the first place money. That's why having two games makes the most sense:GAME 1: The other team vs Team 1 (for 1/2 the money)GAME 2: The other team vs Team 2 (for 1/2 the money)If "the other team" wins both they get all the money. If they split they get 1/2 first place money and 1/2 second place money. If they lose both they get second place money and Team 1 and Team 2 both get 1/2 first place money.
 
Decimal scoring. No doubt I would go that way. You're using the guys you started, only on a deeper level. Getting bench players involved in the actual game score, without being identified first, is wrong.

I would much rather lose to that "new" rule, than a flip of the coin. Should've flipped it on Friday and save the trouble.

Use the players both teams agreed to start with decimal scoring, it's the fairest way.

:twocents:

ANOTHER SCENARIO: (sorry for the hijack, didn't think it deserved its own thread)

Playoff team up 16pts playing against AP, per rule has named his tie breaker from his bench. Team that has AP named no tie breaker. A tie game is possible...

Is there any issue here? I say no brainer, team that named a player wins in a tie.

(note: He's a new player in the league, but tie breakers were posted last week, and a reminder posted this week)

 
Decimal scoring. No doubt I would go that way. You're using the guys you started, only on a deeper level. Getting bench players involved in the actual game score, without being identified first, is wrong. I would much rather lose to that "new" rule, than a flip of the coin. Should've flipped it on Friday and save the trouble. Use the players both teams agreed to start with decimal scoring, it's the fairest way. :twocents:
That's a good idea I could live with if I was one of the players tied.
ANOTHER SCENARIO: (sorry for the hijack, didn't think it deserved its own thread)Playoff team up 16pts playing against AP, per rule has named his tie breaker from his bench. Team that has AP named no tie breaker. A tie game is possible... Is there any issue here? I say no brainer, team that named a player wins in a tie. (note: He's a new player in the league, but tie breakers were posted last week, and a reminder posted this week)
I'd suggest posting one last message laying out that if there's a tie, the team that named a player wins if the other team doesn't declare a player. So at least no one can complain there wasn't warning before the match. Add that clarification to the rules in the offseason.
 
I think most leagues already implement decimal point scoring as it includes yards less than 10.

Another solution is for each owner to pick 1 player to be used in a WK 16 tie breaker, which ever of those players scores higher, that owner goes on to the Wk 16 final.

 
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ppierce said:
I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.
Very simple, the higher seed advances. Lower seed has to "beat" the higher seed, tie always advances higher seed with no rules in place, that's the best way to settle it. If I'm the higher seed I'm pissed if a coin flip makes me lose.
 
ppierce said:
I know a few guys in another league who tied in their semi final game. They, stupidly, didn't have any tie breakers established before the season started. Obvioulsy very dumb but what do they do now? You can't just create a rule now cause the losing team would never agree.
Very simple, the higher seed advances. Lower seed has to "beat" the higher seed, tie always advances higher seed with no rules in place, that's the best way to settle it. If I'm the higher seed I'm pissed if a coin flip makes me lose.
and if you're the lower seed?
 
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Decimal scoring. No doubt I would go that way. You're using the guys you started, only on a deeper level. Getting bench players involved in the actual game score, without being identified first, is wrong. I would much rather lose to that "new" rule, than a flip of the coin. Should've flipped it on Friday and save the trouble. Use the players both teams agreed to start with decimal scoring, it's the fairest way. :twocents:
decimal scoring is the way to go. one will advance based off of the players he started. it would really be ####ed up if they are still tied are the decimal scoring :shrug:
 
The guy who won the other game SHOULD NOT be penalized by having to play two teams next week. I say either let the higher seed go on or flip a coin.
:shrug: it is hard enough beating one good team
Exactly. Both posts make sense. Plus you're involving a team in a problem the league created and he had nothing to do with. Don't make the issue bigger, settle it between the two involved, don't add to it.
 
Does either guy have any Steelers or Panthers? If not, let them make some sort of side bet on the Thursday game to decide the tie.

E.g. Have them draft a mini-team of three or five guys each, highest total wins.

 
kylechoffman said:
Is there a way to do decimal scoring for kickers and defense?
In the league I run kickers get .1 for every yard of their field goal. So a 25 yard field goal is worth 2.5, and a 58 yarder is worth 5.8.Misses under 30 are minus 2 and between 30 and 39 are minus 1.
 
smcindoe said:
Does either guy have any Steelers or Panthers? If not, let them make some sort of side bet on the Thursday game to decide the tie.E.g. Have them draft a mini-team of three or five guys each, highest total wins.
This is an AWESOME idea. Solve it in the two games before Sunday (or just the Thursday game if you want). Each team picks four players-- any four, plus a kicker. Then designate total points in the game as a tie-breaker.That way the issue is solved in a fantasy football way and the other winner isn't punished by playing two teams. You'll have your real winner before Sunday (or Friday) and it'sa fair way to resolve the issue. call it "fantasy football overtime."
 

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