Tiger Woods: Good Guy or Bad Guy? (3 Viewers)

[kupcho1]

I'm surprised the voting is this close (currently 47% good after my vote). I would have gone "guy" but there were only 2 choices. Not sure how one could vote anything but bad.
The fact that he's "done a LOT for the game of golf" isn't very much of a point. Doing a lot for a game isn't really much at all. Stiffing waitstaff? Much worse than any "good" he's done for a game.

He treats people like ****? Doesn't matter if he doesn't know any better. That's still bad behavior.

Almost everything people are listing in this thread (e.g., coming back from adversity) isn't really "good" per se. Admirable? Sure. But I'd say it roots in self-interest rather than anything that would be labeled good.

The only point in his favor is charitable contributions (TGR). But that only tips the scale back so far.

Bad guy

 

[Zow]

No middle ground option for the actual truth because humans rarely if ever fit into neat little boxes such as "good" or "bad"?

 

[Zow]

Well besides leaving his fiance at the altar..

Actually, he dumped the world's #1 tennis player via text. She wound up with NBA roster-filler David Lee, who probably couldn't believe his good fortune.

Plus she has a cool last name.

 

[Zow]

Just googled, had zero clue of the breakup but this just seems like a messy break up because of this

"There are no specific allegations of assault or harassment referenced in the court documents"

What's she going there for then?

So allegedly they broke up. He allegedly verbally said she could live in mansion. He tricked her into leaving and locked her out. She is hinting at maybe wanting to break nda ....stating that's a reason to break it but her court filings mention no such abuse. And she is looking for a parting gift....

Obviously all speculation of public lawyer speak

and that she would have paid 30 million to live there during that time so she is owed 30 million

i’ll say this about high school Tiger, he played cypress golf course where my grandpa was one of the general managers and he treated my gpa awesomely and signed a few pictures of the two of them together. we even blew up a picture into a poster and he signed that a few years later when he became ultra famous, the guy treated my gpa great so i’ll always be a fan.

Yeah, and as Rory said in Full Swing, Tiger texted him first. Which, whatever BUT....


If you read Phil Knight's book Shoe Dog (fantastic), Phil talks about his son dying in a SCUBA accident. The FIRST person to call him was Tiger.

So, I'm torn man.

You mean Tiger does good and bad things that make him a complex person like most of us?

 

[TLEF316]

Agreed that the reasons for poor behavior (his father's infidelity, his overall sheltered nature) dont really really make his actions less bad.

I like Tiger a lot because he's fascinating to watch and I really admire prodigies that have the weight of expectations on their shoulders and still succeed. But yeah, the guy has done plenty of "bad guy" stuff.

- The notoriously poor tipping (and I remember there's a story from back in the day where he basically refused to pay for lunch for a group of Navy SEALS that allowed him to train with them)

- The cheating. If you're tired of being with your model trophy wife, just divorce her. The money doesn't matter. Not trying to justify it, but I don't feel so bad for Elin on that stuff. While she's probably not a "bad person", i think it was pretty clear she was just on the prowl for a wealthy golfer husband and targeted him. If it was 20 years later, she probably would have just DM'd him on Instagram like Koepka's wife did. But it was the early 2000's, so she had to be a nanny and strut around the tour for a few weeks until she got his attention. But again......shame on him for going around embarrassing her (and their kids) with Perkins' waitresses and adult film stars. Just break it off.

- Any sort of driving while on substances......bad guy thing. Anyone can make a mistake and most people have driven 15 mins home from a night out after 1 drink too many. (probably not "drunk" but buzzed enough that they shouldn't have been driving) .But he's had several instances and luckily for others (and his conscience) all Tiger did was wreck his own body.

- And then I'm sure there are plenty of instances of him just treating people in a less than ideal manner. General wealthy guy stuff.

Is that stuff enough to outweigh all the good that he's done (charity, "growing the game", the general joy that some people get from watching him). I dont know. I kinda think the world is in a better place than it would have been had Tiger Woods never existed. So based on that, I voted good.

As for the current situation, we obviously dont know all the details. Obviously if he actually abused or harassed her....massive bad guy thing. But on the surface, this certainly SEEMS like her and her lawyer trying to squeeze a payday out of him at the end of their relationship. They were in a relationship, he ended it. She doesn't want to go back to living the "manager at a restaurant" lifestyle that she was living before. It looks like he pulled some legal shenanigans to get her out of the house and now she's doing the same thing right back to get a nice pay day. I'm sure he'll eventually cut a check.

 

[Jakey]

How would any of us know?

Shocking take - he is a guy. A guy that is really good at golf.

 

[glvsav37]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

 

[Phil Elliott]

A good bad guy. Crazy performance on the course. Razz performance off the course.

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

 

[glvsav37]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

yes/no.
May I present for the jury Exhibit A: Harvey Weinstein.

HW vs Tiger in the looks department are not even in the same stratosphere. But wealth + power are more dangerous IMO for leading to bad behavior. I mean, " Its good to be the king"

You don't hear many of the issues that Tiger had off the course with guys like Brad Pitt or George Clooney—well at least Clooney is upfront with his preferences, but even he's tamed and married now.

But you're right, while I can sit here and say "I would never," but who knows how strong I would be in situations that I'm sure he's been in. But......that's not to say that I'm not willing to find out...lol

 

[ghostguy123]

I can't even imagine how "bad" most people would be if they were that rich and famous.
Compared to how the average person would respond, he's quite good.

Rory is a young rich and famous and has never even sniffed the tabloid tarnish Tiger has.

That's a pretty terrible comparison

Okay, give me some comparisons. Tiger isn't the first nor the last to be that rich and famous. I chose a golfer, you choose?

That's sort of the point. There are no comparisons.
There's a lot of people who are rich and have fame.....but not remotely close to the level of Tiger freaking Woods.
Hell even Lebron wasn't on the tonight show at like age 4.
If you can't see the difference in the fame level between Tiger and Rory during their lives, not sure there's a point in even discussing it more.

So what level of fame do you have to achieve to get a pass for acting dooshy?

It isn't that he gets a pass, it's that 99.999% of people who grew up how he did, achieved the level of fame and fortune he did, doing it the way he did it with hoards of people owing him how they did, would be much more dooshy than had that not happened.
It's an explanation of why he is dooshy.
People like to think they would be some awesome person if all the same things happen. Haha. No

 

[Gally]

The best comparison I can think of is Lebron. He was touted the next guy hitting the cover of SI when he was in high school. The immense pressure and spotlight hit him at a very early stage and as far as I can tell has never had any run-ins with the law and has been a "good" person even with all the accolades, spotlight, opportunities, etc that come with that.

Like Tiger he also arguably exceeded the lofty expectations thrust on him at an early age. Say what you want about Lebron and the Decision (probably the biggest negative he has had) he really has handled everything thrust at him as good as you could possibly do.

As far as Tiger being a good person or bad, I think it's impossible for any of us to really know. As someone above said, I don't know the guy so how can I know the answer? From a distance, I think he has made mistakes but by and large I think the good he has done has outweighed the bad so I would put him at an overall + on the good side.

 

[General Malaise]

Just googled, had zero clue of the breakup but this just seems like a messy break up because of this

"There are no specific allegations of assault or harassment referenced in the court documents"

What's she going there for then?

So allegedly they broke up. He allegedly verbally said she could live in mansion. He tricked her into leaving and locked her out. She is hinting at maybe wanting to break nda ....stating that's a reason to break it but her court filings mention no such abuse. And she is looking for a parting gift....

Obviously all speculation of public lawyer speak

and that she would have paid 30 million to live there during that time so she is owed 30 million

i’ll say this about high school Tiger, he played cypress golf course where my grandpa was one of the general managers and he treated my gpa awesomely and signed a few pictures of the two of them together. we even blew up a picture into a poster and he signed that a few years later when he became ultra famous, the guy treated my gpa great so i’ll always be a fan.

Yeah, and as Rory said in Full Swing, Tiger texted him first. Which, whatever BUT....


If you read Phil Knight's book Shoe Dog (fantastic), Phil talks about his son dying in a SCUBA accident. The FIRST person to call him was Tiger.

So, I'm torn man.

You mean Tiger does good and bad things that make him a complex person like most of us?

I assure you there is no complexity in this body.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I wonder what Phil thinks? At least he's got Tiger beat when it comes to tipping.

 

[General Malaise]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

 

[General Malaise]

The best comparison I can think of is Lebron. He was touted the next guy hitting the cover of SI when he was in high school. The immense pressure and spotlight hit him at a very early stage and as far as I can tell has never had any run-ins with the law and has been a "good" person even with all the accolades, spotlight, opportunities, etc that come with that.

Like Tiger he also arguably exceeded the lofty expectations thrust on him at an early age. Say what you want about Lebron and the Decision (probably the biggest negative he has had) he really has handled everything thrust at him as good as you could possibly do.

As far as Tiger being a good person or bad, I think it's impossible for any of us to really know. As someone above said, I don't know the guy so how can I know the answer? From a distance, I think he has made mistakes but by and large I think the good he has done has outweighed the bad so I would put him at an overall + on the good side.

I certainly feel like there are *A LOT* of opinions about LeBron James, many of them being negative. Not knowing him hasn't stopped these negative opinions from being formed. Just go read some of the takes on James in our NBA threads over the years. There are some absolute haters here and we're a tiny, miniscule community compared to the NBA audience at large.

 

[Gally]

I certainly feel like there are *A LOT* of opinions about LeBron James, many of them being negative. Not knowing him hasn't stopped these negative opinions from being formed. Just go read some of the takes on James in our NBA threads over the years. There are some absolute haters here and we're a tiny, miniscule community compared to the NBA audience at large.

I know many people don't like Lebron for whatever reason but that is different than the question here. Is he good or bad? There are always haters for whatever reason (whines on the court, changes teams chasing titles, soft, ????) but as a person thrust into the limelight with immense expectations I think he has nagivaged those waters masterfully with no off field indiscretions, brushes with the law, etc. It really is an amazing feat considering he grew up through the social media explosion and as far as I know has never had a real off court issue of any meaningful substance. That is what amazes me the most about Lebron.

 

[chet]

Overall good.

Had issues and demons but overall good

I go back and forth on this one. Did you watch the HBO doc on him? I think that influenced a lot of my opinion about him. Loyalty is something I value in my relationships with others and he scores low there. He treated people like disposable razors.

But, he has done a LOT for the game of golf, for charity and has come back from adversity so many times, the epitome of making the most out of 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances...

But what are we about to learn about this new bombshell related to his breakup? Sexual abuse? It's going to get ugly for a guy who has already eaten a ton of mud related to his sexual transgressions.

One of my friends dated one of his harem. She said he was nasty in bed FWIW. He used to contact her every day before the story broke.

 

[General Malaise]

I certainly feel like there are *A LOT* of opinions about LeBron James, many of them being negative. Not knowing him hasn't stopped these negative opinions from being formed. Just go read some of the takes on James in our NBA threads over the years. There are some absolute haters here and we're a tiny, miniscule community compared to the NBA audience at large.

I know many people don't like Lebron for whatever reason but that is different than the question here. Is he good or bad? There are always haters for whatever reason (whines on the court, changes teams chasing titles, soft, ????) but as a person thrust into the limelight with immense expectations I think he has nagivaged those waters masterfully with no off field indiscretions, brushes with the law, etc. It really is an amazing feat considering he grew up through the social media explosion and as far as I know has never had a real off court issue of any meaningful substance. That is what amazes me the most about Lebron.

I think that's a good point. LeBron can be disliked for his antics, but he's nowhere near a 'bad guy' insofar as he's never run afoul of the law, been in any scandals, etc. Good stuff.

Wonder if he's a better tipper than Tiger? Being a poor tipper is inexcusable. Especially when you have the wealth that Tiger does. Poor form.

 

[General Malaise]

Overall good.

Had issues and demons but overall good

I go back and forth on this one. Did you watch the HBO doc on him? I think that influenced a lot of my opinion about him. Loyalty is something I value in my relationships with others and he scores low there. He treated people like disposable razors.

But, he has done a LOT for the game of golf, for charity and has come back from adversity so many times, the epitome of making the most out of 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances...

But what are we about to learn about this new bombshell related to his breakup? Sexual abuse? It's going to get ugly for a guy who has already eaten a ton of mud related to his sexual transgressions.

One of my friends dated one of his harem. She said he was nasty in bed FWIW. He used to contact her every day before the story broke.

I've heard some 'things' too.....wonder what Erica is sitting on.

 

[Captain Cranks]

He’s a notoriously poor tipper. Stories on him stiffing or under tipping the service industry go back decades. I can’t go good guy just because of that.

Big fan of this story

One anecdote in particular stands out, though. From Thompson:

Then there's the story of the lunch, which spread throughout the Naval Special Warfare community. Guys still tell it, almost a decade later. Tiger and a group of five or six went to a diner in La Posta. The waitress brought the check and the table went silent, according to two people there that day. Nobody said anything and neither did Tiger, and the other guys sort of looked at one another.

Finally one of the SEALs said, "Separate checks, please."

The waitress walked away.

"We are all baffled," says one SEAL, a veteran of numerous combat deployments. "We are sitting there with Tiger f---ing Woods, who probably makes more than all of us combined in a day. He's shooting our ammo, taking our time. He's a weird f---ing guy. That's weird s---. Something's wrong with you."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'll vote on this after I vote in the Eat Off

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I can't even imagine how "bad" most people would be if they were that rich and famous.
Compared to how the average person would respond, he's quite good.

Rory is a young rich and famous and has never even sniffed the tabloid tarnish Tiger has.

very true but to me in the golf world rory is a db. he said that the ryder cup was a joke, the olympics were a joke and non cut events were a joke. He has changed his mind on all of those now, the guy is a full of **** phony but a damn good golfer.

A damn good golfer who has never once been in trouble with the law or his wife.

Well besides leaving his fiance at the altar..

As a man who is divorced and was encouraged multiple times not to get married to my first wife I actually admire his move. He avoided all the pain and destruction I caused my first wife because I didn't put a stop to it when I should have. Look at the destruction Tiger left....

Some horrible people probably encouraged you multiple times not to get married a second time. Some people just don't listen to common sense. Or ads promoting birth control.

 

[General Malaise]

I can't even imagine how "bad" most people would be if they were that rich and famous.
Compared to how the average person would respond, he's quite good.

Rory is a young rich and famous and has never even sniffed the tabloid tarnish Tiger has.

very true but to me in the golf world rory is a db. he said that the ryder cup was a joke, the olympics were a joke and non cut events were a joke. He has changed his mind on all of those now, the guy is a full of **** phony but a damn good golfer.

A damn good golfer who has never once been in trouble with the law or his wife.

Well besides leaving his fiance at the altar..

As a man who is divorced and was encouraged multiple times not to get married to my first wife I actually admire his move. He avoided all the pain and destruction I caused my first wife because I didn't put a stop to it when I should have. Look at the destruction Tiger left....

Some horrible people probably encouraged you multiple times not to get married a second time. Some people just don't listen to common sense. Or ads promoting birth control.

And yet I am STILL a better tipper than Tiger Woods.

 

[Redwes25]

Who gets an NDA for their girlfriend

 

[belljr]

Who gets an NDA for their girlfrind

A billionaire

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

 

[Zow]

Overall good.

Had issues and demons but overall good

I go back and forth on this one. Did you watch the HBO doc on him? I think that influenced a lot of my opinion about him. Loyalty is something I value in my relationships with others and he scores low there. He treated people like disposable razors.

But, he has done a LOT for the game of golf, for charity and has come back from adversity so many times, the epitome of making the most out of 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances...

But what are we about to learn about this new bombshell related to his breakup? Sexual abuse? It's going to get ugly for a guy who has already eaten a ton of mud related to his sexual transgressions.

One of my friends dated one of his harem. She said he was nasty in bed FWIW. He used to contact her every day before the story broke.

Keeping this conversation FFA-friendly... you mean like "nasty" in that he was aggressive and rough?

 

[Zow]

I certainly feel like there are *A LOT* of opinions about LeBron James, many of them being negative. Not knowing him hasn't stopped these negative opinions from being formed. Just go read some of the takes on James in our NBA threads over the years. There are some absolute haters here and we're a tiny, miniscule community compared to the NBA audience at large.

I know many people don't like Lebron for whatever reason but that is different than the question here. Is he good or bad? There are always haters for whatever reason (whines on the court, changes teams chasing titles, soft, ????) but as a person thrust into the limelight with immense expectations I think he has nagivaged those waters masterfully with no off field indiscretions, brushes with the law, etc. It really is an amazing feat considering he grew up through the social media explosion and as far as I know has never had a real off court issue of any meaningful substance. That is what amazes me the most about Lebron.

I think that's a good point. LeBron can be disliked for his antics, but he's nowhere near a 'bad guy' insofar as he's never run afoul of the law, been in any scandals, etc. Good stuff.

Wonder if he's a better tipper than Tiger? Being a poor tipper is inexcusable. Especially when you have the wealth that Tiger does. Poor form.

The worst thing Lebron has ever done was make a horrible PR decision with "The Decision" which nonetheless generated a lot of money for charity.

Lebron James genuinely amazes me given that it would have been so easy for him to veer sideways. He had more hype than about any teenage athlete, received more money than about anybody at the age of 19 or whatever, and lives during an age where privacy is very, very limited. Yet, we hear nothing about him other than he's a good family man who abides by the law.

 

[Zow]

I certainly feel like there are *A LOT* of opinions about LeBron James, many of them being negative. Not knowing him hasn't stopped these negative opinions from being formed. Just go read some of the takes on James in our NBA threads over the years. There are some absolute haters here and we're a tiny, miniscule community compared to the NBA audience at large.

I know many people don't like Lebron for whatever reason but that is different than the question here. Is he good or bad? There are always haters for whatever reason (whines on the court, changes teams chasing titles, soft, ????) but as a person thrust into the limelight with immense expectations I think he has nagivaged those waters masterfully with no off field indiscretions, brushes with the law, etc. It really is an amazing feat considering he grew up through the social media explosion and as far as I know has never had a real off court issue of any meaningful substance. That is what amazes me the most about Lebron.

Sorry for the Honda. You said better what I just said.

 

[Todem]

I can't even imagine how "bad" most people would be if they were that rich and famous.
Compared to how the average person would respond, he's quite good.

Rory is a young rich and famous and has never even sniffed the tabloid tarnish Tiger has.

It helps when you don’t **** around on your wife with every porn star on Porn Hub.

That can kinda draw in the attention and get the gossip train rolling.

I have no opinion on the guy. He has lived what appears to be a charmed life. He has made many personal mistakes in terms of his marriages and personal well being.

I don’t care actually. As long as he is not killing anybody or hurting children….who am I to judge?

 

[General Malaise]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

 

[Leroy Hoard]

And yet I am STILL a better tipper than Tiger Woods.

Ironic when it's a guy who loves to date waitresses.

 

[General Malaise]

I can't even imagine how "bad" most people would be if they were that rich and famous.
Compared to how the average person would respond, he's quite good.

Rory is a young rich and famous and has never even sniffed the tabloid tarnish Tiger has.

It helps when you don’t **** around on your wife with every porn star on Porn Hub.

That can kinda draw in the attention and get the gossip train rolling.

I have no opinion on the guy. He has lived what appears to be a charmed life. He has made many personal mistakes in terms of his marriages and personal well being.

I don’t care actually. As long as he is not killing anybody or hurting children….who am I to judge?

Honestly, I'm just trying to jump start the FFA with topics.

 

[General Malaise]

And yet I am STILL a better tipper than Tiger Woods.

Ironic when it's a guy who loves to date waitresses.

"date"......

 

[Leroy Hoard]

And yet I am STILL a better tipper than Tiger Woods.

Ironic when it's a guy who loves to date waitresses.

"date"......

I wonder if he ever pulled a Rick Pitino and just found an empty booth in the corner.

 

[Manster]

If he wasn't a superstar golfer....if he was your brother in law......would you feel the same about him? I doubt it.

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

 

[General Malaise]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

 

[Gally]

If he wasn't a superstar golfer....if he was your brother in law......would you feel the same about him? I doubt it.

Part of what goes into his "good" category is the charity/donations he is able to do because he is a super star golfer. So you can't really take that aspect out when evaluating his good/bad ratio.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And yet I am STILL a better tipper than Tiger Woods.

Ironic when it's a guy who loves to date waitresses.

He tipped them differently

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

 

[ghostguy123]

Lebron is even more amazing considering how he grew up, where he grew up, and his family growing up. That alone is enough to nurture someone into being ****ty.

 

[-fish-]

Who gets an NDA for their girlfrind

People who have been on the cover of National Enquirer.

 

[-fish-]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Well, not for wives....

 

[Brony]

That Tiger Woods is so phony.

 

[beer 30]

You ever been a to Perkins????

It's no Waffle House but I don't want to derail the lively discussion here.

He tipped them differently

Just the tip?

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Well, not for wives....

Makes sense. One probably has to be a pretty impressive guy to marry a female Sun Devil.

 

[AAABatteries]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Wait - this is a thing?