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Woods failed to qualifying for the FedEx Cup playoffs, which he has won two of the last four years, meaning he is ineligible for any PGA Tour event for the next six weeks. The next tournament on his schedule is the Australian Open, starting Nov. 10, although he would not rule out playing somewhere - perhaps a Fall Series event - before then.

Stick a fork in the tiger, he's nothing more then a dream now

 
That was tough to watch. It is going to take a while, but mark it down. He will come back. And he will break Jack's record.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see him dominating as he has in the past - that kind of golf is just too touch to maintain for that many years. The guy is without a good support system. His dad is gone, and Tiger has found his way to chase others off - of his own doing. I think he was raised with the mental toughness, the tenacity, and the drive to put himself back together - but he can't do it alone.

He needs to suck it up, look deep inside himself and start apologizing to the people he has chased away. I believe he will come to his senses and make it happen, but it is more about getting his head straight and getting the right people around him again. Multiple majors are won by a few select people that simply have not only th talent - but a certain drive to make it happen at the right time.

Tiger has that - and he will get enough of it back to get back to winning.

Do most here really believe this guy will just hang it up? I don't think so.

 
'Binky The Doormat said:
That was tough to watch. It is going to take a while, but mark it down. He will come back. And he will break Jack's record. Don't get me wrong, I don't see him dominating as he has in the past - that kind of golf is just too touch to maintain for that many years. The guy is without a good support system. His dad is gone, and Tiger has found his way to chase others off - of his own doing. I think he was raised with the mental toughness, the tenacity, and the drive to put himself back together - but he can't do it alone. He needs to suck it up, look deep inside himself and start apologizing to the people he has chased away. I believe he will come to his senses and make it happen, but it is more about getting his head straight and getting the right people around him again. Multiple majors are won by a few select people that simply have not only th talent - but a certain drive to make it happen at the right time. Tiger has that - and he will get enough of it back to get back to winning. Do most here really believe this guy will just hang it up? I don't think so.
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He'll get back to playing good golf. Just not great golf. And given how competitive it is, with all the good young golfers, and the internationals, I don't think he'll beat Jack's record.
 
'DiStefano said:
'Binky The Doormat said:
That was tough to watch. It is going to take a while, but mark it down. He will come back. And he will break Jack's record. Don't get me wrong, I don't see him dominating as he has in the past - that kind of golf is just too touch to maintain for that many years. The guy is without a good support system. His dad is gone, and Tiger has found his way to chase others off - of his own doing. I think he was raised with the mental toughness, the tenacity, and the drive to put himself back together - but he can't do it alone. He needs to suck it up, look deep inside himself and start apologizing to the people he has chased away. I believe he will come to his senses and make it happen, but it is more about getting his head straight and getting the right people around him again. Multiple majors are won by a few select people that simply have not only th talent - but a certain drive to make it happen at the right time. Tiger has that - and he will get enough of it back to get back to winning. Do most here really believe this guy will just hang it up? I don't think so.
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He'll get back to playing good golf. Just not great golf. And given how competitive it is, with all the good young golfers, and the internationals, I don't think he'll beat Jack's record.
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He won't likely intimidate and dominate like he did. Nor did Jack his last several years. He was solid enough to focus on the majors and good enough to win. Tiger doesn't have to get to the same level he was at - just back.
 
Quite a few similar predictions about Tiger: he'll be good, but not great.

Looking at the rest of the golfing universe, who is great right now?

I'd argue no one - at least at the moment. Oh, we expect Rory to be great. We think Ryo might be. There is a huge stable of talented under 30 golfers. But so far, when you look at their accomplishments, they're all good...but not great. For pete's sake, Luke Donald is still #1.

Since Tiger won the 2008 U.S. Open while playing with a broken leg and a torn ACL, the major winners with multiple titles:

Harrington defended his 2007 Open Championship, and then won the 2008 PGA. Nothing of note since, not the same player.

Angel Cabrera won his 2nd major (2009 Masters). Love the guy, but come on.

Mickelson won his fourth major (2010 Masters), his first GS win in four years. Might win another major, but I have my doubts.

Who is going to step up and be great? Go all the way back to the Open Championship 2001, and every other major than the four guys mentioned above are first time major wins who still have one career major.

[*]Duval, Toms (2001) - neither one of these guys will ever win another

[*]Beem (2002) - the very definition of a fluke

[*]Weir, Furyk, Curtis, Micheel (2003) - obvs the US Open win gets much respect, but the other three are weak champs who never threatened to win again

[*]Hamilton (2004) - good lawd

[*]Campbell (2005) - completely lost his game afterward

[*]Ogilvy (2006) - has def played well at times since, still a threat IMO

[*]Johnson (2007) - watching corn grow is more fun than this guy

[*]Immelman (2008) - pretty sure he's from the South African equivalent of Iowa

[*]Glover, Cink, Yang (2009) - any reason to think one of these three breaks the pattern? :no:

[*]McDowell, Oosthuizen, Kaymer (2010) - probably too early to say; Kaymer def has a shot at being an all-time great, very talented

[*]Schwartzel, McIlroy, Clarke, Bradley (2011) - Rory should have a great career, put Schwartzel in the too early to tell category with Oosthuizen, and Clarke is gonna ride off into the sunset a career one-timer. I like Keegan, but let's wait and see.

If Tiger stays healthy, he is going to break Jack's record. The reason is there simply aren't enough great golfers to stop him. There are a lot of good ones, but that's it - other than Rory, none of the youngsters impress me as being truly special. Agree with others he needs stability, but I think he gets it figured out and gets back on track.

 
'BobbyLayne said:
Quite a few similar predictions about Tiger: he'll be good, but not great.

Looking at the rest of the golfing universe, who is great right now?

I'd argue no one - at least at the moment. Oh, we expect Rory to be great. We think Ryo might be. There is a huge stable of talented under 30 golfers. But so far, when you look at their accomplishments, they're all good...but not great. For pete's sake, Luke Donald is still #1.

Since Tiger won the 2008 U.S. Open while playing with a broken leg and a torn ACL, the major winners with multiple titles:

Harrington defended his 2007 Open Championship, and then won the 2008 PGA. Nothing of note since, not the same player.

Angel Cabrera won his 2nd major (2009 Masters). Love the guy, but come on.

Mickelson won his fourth major (2010 Masters), his first GS win in four years. Might win another major, but I have my doubts.

Who is going to step up and be great? Go all the way back to the Open Championship 2001, and every other major than the four guys mentioned above are first time major wins who still have one career major.

[*]Duval, Toms (2001) - neither one of these guys will ever win another

[*]Beem (2002) - the very definition of a fluke

[*]Weir, Furyk, Curtis, Micheel (2003) - obvs the US Open win gets much respect, but the other three are weak champs who never threatened to win again

[*]Hamilton (2004) - good lawd

[*]Campbell (2005) - completely lost his game afterward

[*]Ogilvy (2006) - has def played well at times since, still a threat IMO

[*]Johnson (2007) - watching corn grow is more fun than this guy

[*]Immelman (2008) - pretty sure he's from the South African equivalent of Iowa

[*]Glover, Cink, Yang (2009) - any reason to think one of these three breaks the pattern? :no:

[*]McDowell, Oosthuizen, Kaymer (2010) - probably too early to say; Kaymer def has a shot at being an all-time great, very talented

[*]Schwartzel, McIlroy, Clarke, Bradley (2011) - Rory should have a great career, put Schwartzel in the too early to tell category with Oosthuizen, and Clarke is gonna ride off into the sunset a career one-timer. I like Keegan, but let's wait and see.

If Tiger stays healthy, he is going to break Jack's record. The reason is there simply aren't enough great golfers to stop him. There are a lot of good ones, but that's it - other than Rory, none of the youngsters impress me as being truly special. Agree with others he needs stability, but I think he gets it figured out and gets back on track.
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The problem with your analysis is that the reason no one is dominant is because they are all pretty good; it's the one that gets hot at the right time who wins the major. Tiger has come back to the pack. He is now at the mercy of anyone who gets hot at the right time.

The last two Masters that Tiger won he was 12 under par (2002 and 2005). The last three Masters winners were -12, -16 and -14. It's the ones who get hot who win.

 
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So, if the God of Golf came down and told Tiger that it was his lack of strange causing the slump and promised him that he would get his game back if he went back to his old ways, but would be vilified for the rest of his days if he did, would he take the deal?

 
'wikkidpissah said:
So, if the God of Golf came down and told Tiger that it was his lack of strange causing the slump and promised him that he would get his game back if he went back to his old ways, but would be vilified for the rest of his days if he did, would he take the deal?
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You can't put the genie back in the bottle. He can bang all the chicks he wants now, he isn't married any more.
 
'DiStefano said:
'BobbyLayne said:
Quite a few similar predictions about Tiger: he'll be good, but not great.

Looking at the rest of the golfing universe, who is great right now?

I'd argue no one - at least at the moment. Oh, we expect Rory to be great. We think Ryo might be. There is a huge stable of talented under 30 golfers. But so far, when you look at their accomplishments, they're all good...but not great. For pete's sake, Luke Donald is still #1.

Since Tiger won the 2008 U.S. Open while playing with a broken leg and a torn ACL, the major winners with multiple titles:

Harrington defended his 2007 Open Championship, and then won the 2008 PGA. Nothing of note since, not the same player.

Angel Cabrera won his 2nd major (2009 Masters). Love the guy, but come on.

Mickelson won his fourth major (2010 Masters), his first GS win in four years. Might win another major, but I have my doubts.

Who is going to step up and be great? Go all the way back to the Open Championship 2001, and every other major than the four guys mentioned above are first time major wins who still have one career major.

[*]Duval, Toms (2001) - neither one of these guys will ever win another

[*]Beem (2002) - the very definition of a fluke

[*]Weir, Furyk, Curtis, Micheel (2003) - obvs the US Open win gets much respect, but the other three are weak champs who never threatened to win again

[*]Hamilton (2004) - good lawd

[*]Campbell (2005) - completely lost his game afterward

[*]Ogilvy (2006) - has def played well at times since, still a threat IMO

[*]Johnson (2007) - watching corn grow is more fun than this guy

[*]Immelman (2008) - pretty sure he's from the South African equivalent of Iowa

[*]Glover, Cink, Yang (2009) - any reason to think one of these three breaks the pattern? :no:

[*]McDowell, Oosthuizen, Kaymer (2010) - probably too early to say; Kaymer def has a shot at being an all-time great, very talented

[*]Schwartzel, McIlroy, Clarke, Bradley (2011) - Rory should have a great career, put Schwartzel in the too early to tell category with Oosthuizen, and Clarke is gonna ride off into the sunset a career one-timer. I like Keegan, but let's wait and see.

If Tiger stays healthy, he is going to break Jack's record. The reason is there simply aren't enough great golfers to stop him. There are a lot of good ones, but that's it - other than Rory, none of the youngsters impress me as being truly special. Agree with others he needs stability, but I think he gets it figured out and gets back on track.
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The problem with your analysis is that the reason no one is dominant is because they are all pretty good; it's the one that gets hot at the right time who wins the major. Tiger has come back to the pack. He is now at the mercy of anyone who gets hot at the right time.

The last two Masters that Tiger won he was 12 under par (2002 and 2005). The last three Masters winners were -12, -16 and -14. It's the ones who get hot who win.
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Tom Watson nearly won a major at 59 a few years back. Enough with how much better the competition is now.
 
'Daywalker said:
Tom Watson nearly won a major at 59 a few years back. Enough with how much better the competition is now.
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In incredible feat. An all-time great. However he is a master of the bump-and run. On a course tailor made for his game. A skill today's players are lacking in. That is how he could compete in tha tournament.
 
I watched last night because I had a feeling he might be ready to come into form. He's settled in at his new house and on site practice facility, which is largely short-game oriented. That's what was most troubling in his play over the last year or so, was his short-game. Saw, I turn on last night and he looks like he's finally ready to compete again. Swinging on plane, in balance, not dipping his head too much, and most importantly, his short game was lights out. A perfectly clean card 68. So just out of curiosity, I just looked to see if the morning wave had gone off yet. Sure enough they did. He shot five-under on the front and is now leading the tournament by two shots. It'll be nice to go into President's Cup week without all the morons jumping up and down on Fred Couples for what was really a no-brainer decision.

 
'Apple Jack said:
I watched last night because I had a feeling he might be ready to come into form. He's settled in at his new house and on site practice facility, which is largely short-game oriented. That's what was most troubling in his play over the last year or so, was his short-game. Saw, I turn on last night and he looks like he's finally ready to compete again. Swinging on plane, in balance, not dipping his head too much, and most importantly, his short game was lights out. A perfectly clean card 68. So just out of curiosity, I just looked to see if the morning wave had gone off yet. Sure enough they did. He shot five-under on the front and is now leading the tournament by two shots. It'll be nice to go into President's Cup week without all the morons jumping up and down on Fred Couples for what was really a no-brainer decision.
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I just noticed this too. Strong field at that tourney as well. If he stays on the leaderboard it'll be a pretty good sign that his game is rounding back into form.
 
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So I played in the inaugural Tiger Woods Invitational last month at Pebble Beach (phenomenal event by the way, rounds at Pebble, Spyglass, Monterey Peninsula CC). Tiger did a clinic on the driving range for 90 minutes. Hit shots, but talked really openly and answered every question. Said he his playing 36+ holes a day, every day. Was asked why he didn't go back to his old swing and he said the old swing depended on fast hips to get swing speed, with a snapping of the left leg. 4 knee surgeries later and that swing is just not possible. So he's trying to get the swing speed with more of a chest rotation and it's taken time.

I think the biggest benefit to him playing every day will be his short game. His up and down rate fell by more than half. 60+ percent out of the sand to 30+ percent. Putting way down. Not chipping it close. Once he gets that back, and it sounds like he might have, he will compete again.

 
'Judge Smails said:
So I played in the inaugural Tiger Woods Invitational last month at Pebble Beach (phenomenal event by the way, rounds at Pebble, Spyglass, Monterey Peninsula CC). Tiger did a clinic on the driving range for 90 minutes. Hit shots, but talked really openly and answered every question. Said he his playing 36+ holes a day, every day. Was asked why he didn't go back to his old swing and he said the old swing depended on fast hips to get swing speed, with a snapping of the left leg. 4 knee surgeries later and that swing is just not possible. So he's trying to get the swing speed with more of a chest rotation and it's taken time.I think the biggest benefit to him playing every day will be his short game. His up and down rate fell by more than half. 60+ percent out of the sand to 30+ percent. Putting way down. Not chipping it close. Once he gets that back, and it sounds like he might have, he will compete again.
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He has it back. Did you catch any of the highlights from the first or second round? He looks really solid. That was the thing he most needed to work on, but was obviously focusing most of his attention on the full swing since going to Foley until relatively recently. Have you seen his practice facility at his new house?http://web.tigerwoods.com/design/jupiter_island.htmlIt's no longer a question whether he will get back to the top, imo. He will. It's just a matter of how many events. He appears to be just about there. There was a lot to learn from these two rounds, most importantly his short game and his consistency. One bogey in 36 holes. Knocking flags down. He played in wind yesterday, when most of the leaders were in the morning wave when it was dead calm and hit it really well for the most part. Missed some fairways, but none badly. None of the sprayed or flip-hook two fairways over. And he's the greatest scrambler in the history of the game, so getting that back was always going to be instrumental to him getting back to the top. He's scrambling. I love watching the guy play when he's on and this is shaping up to be a interesting week, President's Cup, and 2012. The only thing about this event is that the course is only 6900 yards, so we'll see next week when he'll have to hit more drivers and do it under pressure. There's not much pressure this week. Next week is a whole other ballgame.
 
'mr roboto said:
'Judge Smails said:
'mr roboto said:
'Judge Smails said:
'belljr said:
I predict a WD after 9 holes tomorrow
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if he does he's one big #####. Already said he's healthy. No excuses. Sean Foley firing countdown is officially on. Tiger will be wearing knee pads in front of Butch Harmon's front door begging to get his old swing back.
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He can't. Too much torque on the knee.
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I don't think that's it at all. His swing plane is much flatter now..
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No. I agree. I'm saying he can't get his old swing back. He has resorted to dropping down into the ball because of his left knee injury. can't rotate anymore.
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So I played in the inaugural Tiger Woods Invitational last month at Pebble Beach (phenomenal event by the way, rounds at Pebble, Spyglass, Monterey Peninsula CC). Tiger did a clinic on the driving range for 90 minutes. Hit shots, but talked really openly and answered every question. Said he his playing 36+ holes a day, every day. Was asked why he didn't go back to his old swing and he said the old swing depended on fast hips to get swing speed, with a snapping of the left leg. 4 knee surgeries later and that swing is just not possible. So he's trying to get the swing speed with more of a chest rotation and it's taken time.
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:popcorn:
 
'Gopher State said:
Woods failed to qualifying for the FedEx Cup playoffs, which he has won two of the last four years, meaning he is ineligible for any PGA Tour event for the next six weeks. The next tournament on his schedule is the Australian Open, starting Nov. 10, although he would not rule out playing somewhere - perhaps a Fall Series event - before then.Stick a fork in the tiger, he's nothing more then a dream now
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'otello said:
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I watched about a stretch of 9 holes where he hit it great but was severely misreading the greens. It looks like that frustration is starting to leak into the rest of his shots down the stretch here.

 
Looks like Mr. Sideshow tees off @ 7:51 p.m. (Eastern) - paired with Aaron Baddeley.

Ended up shooting 75 yesterday *(birdied a par 5 and five pars over the last 6).

Starts out the day T8th, six shots back.

Winning seems a bit much to ask, but here's hoping he posts another sub-70 round.

 
'BobbyLayne said:
Looks like Mr. Sideshow tees off @ 7:51 p.m. (Eastern) - paired with Aaron Baddeley.Ended up shooting 75 yesterday *(birdied a par 5 and five pars over the last 6).Starts out the day T8th, six shots back.Winning seems a bit much to ask, but here's hoping he posts another sub-70 round.
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He's not going to win. And if he can't get the speed figured out, it could be a significant blow going into next week. He made nothing yesterday. Granted, he didn't hit it very well either, but if he had putted even half-decently, he'd only be three or so back. It'll all come down to his speed. His putter has been killing him more than anything the last couple years and it seems never more so than on grainy greens. I expect him to put up a respectable number, never challenge, and end up with a top 15 finish.
 
He'll never challenge, but he is three under through 8 holes. T3rd now, 3 shots back, and three more par fives left.

Pos. Country Player Name Total

1 AUS Greg Chalmers -12

2 AUS Nick O'Hern -10

T3 AUS John Senden -9

T3 USA Tiger Woods -9

T3 AUS Jason Day -9
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Went out in 32, but bogied the par 5 11th.Bounced back with a birdie at #12

T1 AUS Greg Chalmers -11 (thru 10)T1 AUS Jason Day -11 (thru 9)3 AUS Nick O'Hern -10 (thru 10)T4 AUS Geoff Ogilvy -9 (thru 18)T4 USA Tiger Woods -9 (thru 12)
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Tiger will be the new leader in the clubhouse; Ogilvy post 9 under awhile ago.

1 AUS Greg Chalmers -122 USA Tiger Woods -11T3 AUS John Senden -10T3 USA Nick Watney -10T5 AUS Ryan Haller -9T5 AUS Jason Day -9T5 AUS Nick O'Hern -9T5 AUS Geoff Ogilvy -9T5 AUS Adam Scott -910 AUS Aaron Baddeley -8
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Chalmers should be be able to close this out, two of his remaining five holes are par 5s. Still a heckuva fun round.
 
Yeah, it was nice to watch him play well for three rounds. He was pretty much done after the bogeys on 11 and 13. But it was cool to see him bounce back like that and to be relevant again. Next week should be fun.

 
'mr roboto said:
lots of good aussies on tour. didn't realize that 'till now.
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Jason Day is ridiculous. He just gagged on this one. Probably didn't help doing that pre-round interview where the guy spent the entire time telling him what a big deal it is for an Aussie to win to this tournament and how much pressure he would be feeling. But that kid has game for days. He'll be lifting a Major trophy before long.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'mr roboto said:
lots of good aussies on tour. didn't realize that 'till now.
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Jason Day is ridiculous. He just gagged on this one. Probably didn't help doing that pre-round interview where the guy spent the entire time telling him what a big deal it is for an Aussie to win to this tournament and how much pressure he would be feeling. But that kid has game for days. He'll be lifting a Major trophy before long.
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Looking forward to seeing Day in person for the first time at Tiger's tourney at Sherwood CC in December. Hope they play together. Impressive game.
 
down 4 after 7 (actually they're just finishing #8 now)

Scott/Choi birdied 6 and Tiger drove the ball OB #7 (actually, lost ball..Stricker took a drop at the tree line)

getting ugly down there

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I can't remember seeing Stricker play this poorly. Tiger even gave him the line on that putt on the last hole and he took it at least a foot left of it. That was atrocious. Makes me wonder if he was telling the truth when he said his shoulder if healed and he's happy with the way he's playing. Keegan Bradley has to be feeling doubly hosed right about now.

 
'Apple Jack said:
I can't remember seeing Stricker play this poorly. Tiger even gave him the line on that putt on the last hole and he took it at least a foot left of it. That was atrocious. Makes me wonder if he was telling the truth when he said his shoulder if healed and he's happy with the way he's playing. Keegan Bradley has to be feeling doubly hosed right about now.
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He's hit at least two horrible short irons (one was a wedge, the other was 7) and missed several fairways as well. Think they're just feeding off each other's negative energy now.
 
'BobbyLayne said:
'Apple Jack said:
I can't remember seeing Stricker play this poorly. Tiger even gave him the line on that putt on the last hole and he took it at least a foot left of it. That was atrocious. Makes me wonder if he was telling the truth when he said his shoulder if healed and he's happy with the way he's playing. Keegan Bradley has to be feeling doubly hosed right about now.
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He's hit at least two horrible short irons (one was a wedge, the other was 7) and missed several fairways as well. Think they're just feeding off each other's negative energy now.
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It doesn't help that Choi and Scott are on fire.
 
Tiger is playing really, really well. Forget his record this week as Stricker and especially Dustin Johnson played horribly as his partners, and Tiger rimmed putts for 3 days. Right now (1/2 way through the singles match) he looks like the best player in the President's Cup. Thinking clearly, terrific ball striking, controlling ball flight, short game good and now making instead of rimming putts. If you can forget the last 2 years you would think this is the same Tiger as before. first time in a long time I've felt like he's a major threat to win - which I think he'll be every week from here on out..

 
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