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Tiger Woods (5 Viewers)
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
You understand he won five PGA Tour events last year right?
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Someone asked where he was ranked #1. I answered. I'm not defending the metric.By the way, I agree with those criticisms. Having said that, I don't believe they apply to Woods this year yet. He won 5 times last year.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Don't know the cause, if it's back or just his swing, but he's making the miss I hate to see - trying to hit a cut that either is a dead pull or double crosses. Tough to win with that..
encaitar
Footballguy
Wait... You're criticizing the OWGR yet saying it's better to use the FedEx Cup ranking?!? We should base who the best player in the world is by using a ranking where some guys have played and gotten points for 10 tourneys while other guys have only played and gotten points for 3 tourneys? Not to mention completely ignoring half of the golfing world.
Yeah, we were. Were you watching Sunday? Or Thursday and Friday?Otis said:
Haters watching?
And how in the hell is this guy possibly #1 in the world?? Will his one good round this weekend keep him there? I swear it seems that Otis and Apple Jack come up with those rankings.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Be interesting to see what happens at Bay Hill, if he continues to have back issues this could be a long year for Tiger. While I have money on him not catching Jack, I definitely would prefer he is healthy and in the mix at majors as it makes for much better TV.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I knew Lindsey Vonn was a curse, but I had no idea it would be this bad.
I don't care to root for the guy, but I do hope he's in the mix for the majors this year. It's better for the game.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Disagree. More eyeballs means better coverage and bigger paydays for the entire field. I love to see Tiger hit it into the water as much as his pro pairing does, but there's no denying he's been a revenue generating machine for his competitors, the tournies he plays in, and the broadcasts that cover him.
lod01
Footballguy
And better for this thread. Current mood of Eldrick Lovers -
2 good rounds in one tourney will absolutely have them going ape #### in here. DA RAIDERS may even wet his panties.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Very little difference between "his back" & "he's back".DiStefano said:
Joe T
Footballguy
Have to admit this has me stumped. Is neither an option here? Or can I get a third choice?
Short Corner
Footballguy
Joe T
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
suck it nut huggersDA RAIDERS said:
suck it haters
Back watch 2014!!! I want footage of the PT dammit!!!!
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Golfers with 3 or more PGA Tour wins at age 23:
Tiger, Rory, Phil, Sergio and...
Patrick Reed.
Tiger, Rory, Phil, Sergio and...
Patrick Reed.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
17seconds
root of all aliai
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Nicklaus dominated a game played by a few rich country club kids in the US and maybe a couple other English-speaking countries. Comparing him to Woods is like comparing the world's greatest ski jumper to LeBron James or Lionel Messi. Congratulations, you're better than the handful of other people who play your sport.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I get what you're saying, but this comes up a lot. Like, was Cy Young the greatest pitcher? Or Babe Ruth the greatest slugger? Because they weren't going up against the caliber of player that plays today. I think the argument can go either way, honestly.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yup, you can really only measure athletes against their peers. Anyone from the 70s or earlier would get run out of any major sport now matter how much they dominated.
If you replace the question with "who was more dominant over their peers," then it's an interesting question. I always assume that's what people mean anyway. But in sports that have experienced booms in popularity and participation in the last couple decades (golf, basketball, maybe football), even that question is kind of misleading because of the pool from which their peers are taken. It's a lot more impressive to be head and shoulders better than 100 million people who have tried to play your sport than be be head and shoulders over 1 million.
zoonation
Footballguy
Tiger's level of dominance over his peers for that historic run (which is over and has been for years) is way more impressive than Jack's was IMO. 14 majors in modern golf trumps 18 back in the day. The game was WAY more competitive when Tiger was winning his majors and the fields were and continue to be deeper.
The sport continues to evolve and is more competitive now than ever IMO. That is why 5 more majors for Tiger is a pipe dream. The window is closed for that many. Couldn't afford a 6 year drought.
The sport continues to evolve and is more competitive now than ever IMO. That is why 5 more majors for Tiger is a pipe dream. The window is closed for that many. Couldn't afford a 6 year drought.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Very good points.
"More dominant over their peers" probably = Bobby Jones. Won 13 out of his last 21 majors, finished in the top ten 27 times out of 31 career grand slam events. Quit when he was 28 and founded the Masters.
But that truly was a time when the game was limited in scope.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Obviously the tour is much deeper with talent now than back when Jack played. However, Jack's competition was mentally tougher than the guys Tiger faced by a wide margin.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Jack's peers had heart, a burning desire to win, pride, a hunger for the game, guts, gave it their all, great work ethic, kept their focus, took it one shot at a time and most importantly, they just wanted it more.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
There's a case to made that the all-exempt tour fundamentally changed the tour. When only 60 guys retained the card for the next year, it was pretty hard to be comfortable (125 + exceptions now).
But if you're going to say Jack's peers were tougher because Trevino, Palmer, Watson and Player all won 6-9 majors, while Mickelson, Els, Singh and Harrington won 3-5, that just speaks to how thin the fields were in Jack's day.
These days you have guys like Garcia, McIlroy and Spieth winning as teenagers. I'd say the guys are plenty tough mentally. No fear, no paying dues, impatient to establish themselves right away.
That said, it is disappointing that no one took on Tiger in his prime and beat him like a drum the way Trevino and Watson did H2H. Instead you got the occasional fluke - Bob May, Rich Beem, Y.E. Yang - but never a marquis like Duval et al. In that sense, Tiger's peers were disappointing.
Or he was that impressive.
And they played barefoot, in the snow, and had to carry their own clubs.
Jack's peers had heart, a burning desire to win, pride, a hunger for the game, guts, gave it their all, great work ethic, kept their focus, took it one shot at a time and most importantly, they just wanted it more.
Tiger, in his prime, as a golfer, was the best golfer that has ever played.
You can argue about whether that was due to equipment, PEDs, general physical training, or whatever.
Jack Nicklaus was the best golfer of his generation, and if he had been born 40 years later, he might have been the best golfer of this generation. But he wasn't, and so he isn't.
Alas, as Finless noted, seemingly just yesterday, Tiger Woods is no longer in his prime.
You can argue about whether that was due to equipment, PEDs, general physical training, or whatever.
Jack Nicklaus was the best golfer of his generation, and if he had been born 40 years later, he might have been the best golfer of this generation. But he wasn't, and so he isn't.
Alas, as Finless noted, seemingly just yesterday, Tiger Woods is no longer in his prime.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Ben Hogan didn't ##### too much about pain.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Tiger Woods is subjected to a press onslaught that Ben Hogan was unfamiliar with. Not to mention, he is a brand with a lot of money wrapped up in and it is important to keep up the belief, true or not, that he is the best in the world. So, if he's playing poorly and the reason is that he is just playing poorly it's different than if he's playing poorly due to an injury.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
And there really is no question that Tiger has played the best golf ever seen. The Majors record is a longevity thing. Nobody has played as good as he did at the '97 Masters or '00 US Open. Could possibly put the '00 Open in there, too.
