Tiger Woods (3 Viewers)

[matuski]

Just watched the video. That looked like the 22 handicappers we had in our tourney today. What a nightmare. Man - don't know how he plays tomorrow. When you play golf wondering how you are going to make contact vs just aiming at a target you are toast. I know this first hand.

We have reached the point where FFA posters think they can relate to Tiger's golf game.

or beat up a professional boxer

I have never once said I could box like a professional boxer. Not even close.

eta - Throw an itty bitty one around like a rag doll? Yea I probably could have.

 

[Reginald Cornsilks]

Just watched the video. That looked like the 22 handicappers we had in our tourney today. What a nightmare. Man - don't know how he plays tomorrow. When you play golf wondering how you are going to make contact vs just aiming at a target you are toast. I know this first hand.

We have reached the point where FFA posters think they can relate to Tiger's golf game.

or beat up a professional boxer

 

[Tom Servo]

Just watched the video. That looked like the 22 handicappers we had in our tourney today. What a nightmare. Man - don't know how he plays tomorrow. When you play golf wondering how you are going to make contact vs just aiming at a target you are toast. I know this first hand.

We have reached the point where FFA posters think they can relate to Tiger's golf game.

We can relate - we go to the track at Memorial and play like crap.

 

[NutterButter]

I think that mentally Tiger has checked out. He's hacking along to keep cashing those endorsement checks for as long as they last, but the desire is gone. I can't say I blame him. He's been grinding away at golf since he was a little kid.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I think that mentally Tiger has checked out. He's hacking along to keep cashing those endorsement checks for as long as they last, but the desire is gone. I can't say I blame him. He's been grinding away at golf since he was a little kid.

Terrible take.

 

[Judge Smails]

I think that mentally Tiger has checked out. He's hacking along to keep cashing those endorsement checks for as long as they last, but the desire is gone. I can't say I blame him. He's been grinding away at golf since he was a little kid.

Terrible take.

I agree. His ego is way too big for him to check out. This is like a slow death to him. He'll keep plotting the next big comeback.

 

[chet]

How are we doing in here? When does he play next? U.S. Open? I'm guessing Tiger needs just a little fine tuning to get his game in shape and the U.S. Open is just the place to make a comeback.

 

[Tom Servo]

How are we doing in here? When does he play next? U.S. Open? I'm guessing Tiger needs just a little fine tuning to get his game in shape and the U.S. Open is just the place to make a comeback.

I think we're talking about a little more than changing a couple of spark plugs and an oil change. I'm think massive transmission replacement.

 

[lod01]

Chipping exhibition.

The now infamous #18 - 3rd round Memorial 2015. starts at the 26 second mark.

 

[ChiefD]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

Yup, ever since the cheating story broke he's been consistently terrible at golf. No way he could ever compete again at a high level after such public embarrassment, much less win tournaments, regain his spot atop the world rankings or win PGA Tour player of the year.

 

[lod01]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

Yup, ever since the cheating story broke he's been consistently terrible at golf. No way he could ever compete again at a high level after such public embarrassment, much less win tournaments, regain his spot atop the world rankings or win PGA Tour player of the year.

Dead cat bounce.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

Yup, ever since the cheating story broke he's been consistently terrible at golf. No way he could ever compete again at a high level after such public embarrassment, much less win tournaments, regain his spot atop the world rankings or win PGA Tour player of the year.

Dead cat bounce.

I love those guys!

I have all their albums

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Tiger would be wise to skip the US Open and head over to St. Andrews for the next month.

 

[Dark Matter]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

Yup, ever since the cheating story broke he's been consistently terrible at golf. No way he could ever compete again at a high level after such public embarrassment, much less win tournaments, regain his spot atop the world rankings or win PGA Tour player of the year.

Except for winning the 2013 Player of the Year thing but let's not let facts get in the way of trasshing a shi tty human being.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

Yup, ever since the cheating story broke he's been consistently terrible at golf. No way he could ever compete again at a high level after such public embarrassment, much less win tournaments, regain his spot atop the world rankings or win PGA Tour player of the year.

Except for winning the 2013 Player of the Year thing but let's not let facts get in the way of trasshing a shi tty human being.

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[Dark Matter]

The dude was exposed as a piece of crap human being. And he knows it. And he knows the whole world knows it. The humiliation of it all is eating him alive.

He's done.

Yup, ever since the cheating story broke he's been consistently terrible at golf. No way he could ever compete again at a high level after such public embarrassment, much less win tournaments, regain his spot atop the world rankings or win PGA Tour player of the year.

Except for winning the 2013 Player of the Year thing but let's not let facts get in the way of trasshing a shi tty human being.

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I need to re-calibrate the ol' sarcasm meter. Carrry on......

 

[TheIronSheik]

After watching Tiger this weekend, it's pretty obvious he's got this under control. You could see he was just starting to really dial it in. I think he'll break Jack's record before the end of this season.

 

[Jack White]

Gotta be a long shot to be playing on Father's Day, right?

 

[lod01]

Gotta be a long shot to be playing on Father's Day, right?

I'll be rooting for him to squeak into the field for the weekend.

 

[Doug B]

I think ChiefD is on to something here. It's kind of ethereal, hard to pin down. Not something you can link to or conclusively prove. Can't crunch numbers or check out stats.

And self-doubt is not necessarily something that works like a light switch -- not necessarily something that kicks in as soon as the first public humiliation takes place. There could well have been a lengthy rationalization/denial period. There could also have been multiple triggers (trigger = things that weigh on the mind). You take the flap with Elin in Nov 2009, then some injuries, then his father's passing, then some more injuries, then some public bad play. Not seeing his kids as often as he's like for s long spell. "Chasing the dragon" of that next woman, that next roll in the hay.

Then some good play in 2013, but not in majors (perhaps Woods unfairly beats himself up over 2013, in a way?). Then some doubt creeps in: "Why could I do it in those five tourneys, but not when it matter most to me?"

Maybe 2013 "fooled" him into thinking all was well, and maybe be was mentally counting on his game just to "be back" for 2014. And then (to his standards), it wasn't ... and there were just too many drops of water wearing down the rock that was his 1997-2008 golf psyche.

If your asking me, neither his body nor his head is right. Yeah, a lot of spitballing and unprovable fluff. But so what? I buy Chief's overall point, even if the specifics are fuzzy.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think ChiefD is on to something here. It's kind of ethereal, hard to pin down. Not something you can link to or conclusively prove. Can't crunch numbers or check out stats.

And self-doubt is not necessarily something that works like a light switch -- not necessarily something that kicks in as soon as the first public humiliation takes place. There could well have been a lengthy rationalization/denial period. There could also have been multiple triggers (trigger = things that weigh on the mind). You take the flap with Elin in Nov 2009, then some injuries, then his father's passing, then some more injuries, then some public bad play. Not seeing his kids as often as he's like for s long spell. "Chasing the dragon" of that next woman, that next roll in the hay.

Then some good play in 2013, but not in majors (perhaps Woods unfairly beats himself up over 2013, in a way?). Then some doubt creeps in: "Why could I do it in those five tourneys, but not when it matter most to me?"

Maybe 2013 "fooled" him into thinking all was well, and maybe be was mentally counting on his game just to "be back" for 2014. And then (to his standards), it wasn't ... and there were just too many drops of water wearing down the rock that was his 1997-2008 golf psyche.

If your asking me, neither his body nor his head is right. Yeah, a lot of spitballing and unprovable fluff. But so what? I buy Chief's overall point, even if the specifics are fuzzy.

I think it's kind of silly for people who know next to nothing about an athlete to think they have any idea what is affecting their performance for better or worse, especially if they claim some sort of insight into the athlete's psychology and personality and motivations. That's especially the case here, where there's pretty strong evidence that contradicts the theory. Look how hard you had to work to account for his 2013 season (including ignoring the significant injury in 2014 that forced him to miss the Masters for the first time) in order to keep the silly theory alive, rather than just accept the fact that none of us have any idea what's wrong with him.

 

[Doug B]

I think it's kind of silly for people who know next to nothing about an athlete to think they have any idea what is affecting their performance for better or worse, especially if they claim some sort of insight into the athlete's psychology and personality and motivations. That's especially the case here, where there's pretty strong evidence that contradicts the theory. Look how hard you had to work to account for his 2013 season (including ignoring the significant injury in 2014 that forced him to miss the Masters for the first time) in order to keep the silly theory alive, rather than just accept the fact that none of us have any idea what's wrong with him.

Of course we don't know. But message-board speculation is totally harmless, isn't it? Who cares if we don't know/can't know or whatever? Still interesting to talk about. Others' mileage may vary, of course.

Can't speak for others, but regarding his 2013: isn't 2013 kind of fading into the rear-view mirror of Woods' career rather rapidly? I know, I know ... only two years ago. And he was injured in 2014. But still.

BTW ... injuries in 2014 kind of plays into my larger point anyhow. Woods' career is -- right now and for most of the time since Nov 2009 -- sustaining lots of hits that are probably having a cumulative effect on his 2015 game. Some tiny hits, and some bigger ones. Hits that get plastered all over Sportscenter, and hits the public will never know about. Surely we don't need to have inside knowledge to feel like the statement in red makes intuitive sense?

We're all human beings. As is Tiger Woods. Do we really have to be an athlete on his level to understand how he might be affected by a bunch of real-life stuff piling on? I don't think we do. Again, others' mileage may vary.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think it's kind of silly for people who know next to nothing about an athlete to think they have any idea what is affecting their performance for better or worse, especially if they claim some sort of insight into the athlete's psychology and personality and motivations. That's especially the case here, where there's pretty strong evidence that contradicts the theory. Look how hard you had to work to account for his 2013 season (including ignoring the significant injury in 2014 that forced him to miss the Masters for the first time) in order to keep the silly theory alive, rather than just accept the fact that none of us have any idea what's wrong with him.

Of course we don't know. But message-board speculation is totally harmless, isn't it? Who cares if we don't know/can't know or whatever? Still interesting to talk about. Others' mileage may vary, of course.

Can't speak for others, but regarding his 2013: isn't 2013 kind of fading into the rear-view mirror of Woods' career rather rapidly? I know, I know ... only two years ago. And he was injured in 2014. But still.

BTW ... injuries in 2014 kind of plays into my larger point anyhow. Woods' career is -- right now and for most of the time since Nov 2009 -- sustaining lots of hits that are probably having a cumulative effect on his 2015 game. Some tiny hits, and some bigger ones. Hits that get plastered all over Sportscenter, and hits the public will never know about. Surely we don't need to have inside knowledge to feel like the statement in red makes intuitive sense?

We're all human beings. As is Tiger Woods. Do we really have to be an athlete on his level to understand how he might be affected by a bunch of real-life stuff piling on? I don't think we do. Again, others' mileage may vary.

My point about 2013 was only that the theory about him being unable to play well due to humiliation was invalid. The humiliating stuff- the "hits" you reference and that I assume ChiefD was talking about- happened almost entirely before 2013. If that was his sole or primary problem there's zero chance he could have played as well as he did that year.

 

[Doug B]

My point about 2013 was only that the theory about him being unable to play well due to humiliation was invalid. The humiliating stuff- the "hits" you reference and that I assume ChiefD was talking about- happened almost entirely before 2013. If that was his sole or primary problem there's zero chance he could have played as well as he did that year.

I disagree -- I don't think he ever stopped sustaining hits, and I think he is still sustaining hits now. Some public, most private.

Remember, though ... I consider injuries, scoring errors, and poor play in tournaments also to be "hits". Not just events in which his personal life makes negative news. I also think there's a good amount of smaller day-to-day stuff that probably weights upon him as well.

Now then, I'm saying "I think" ... not "I know". I believe that I'm right about this, but I fully recognize that I can't prove it.

 

[Joe T]

Has anyone mentioned tiger was player of the year in 13?

 

[Jack White]

Has anyone mentioned tiger was player of the year in 13?

Often.

But time moves inexorably forward.

 

[TobiasFunke]

My point about 2013 was only that the theory about him being unable to play well due to humiliation was invalid. The humiliating stuff- the "hits" you reference and that I assume ChiefD was talking about- happened almost entirely before 2013. If that was his sole or primary problem there's zero chance he could have played as well as he did that year.

I disagree -- I don't think he ever stopped sustaining hits, and I think he is still sustaining hits now. Some public, most private.

Remember, though ... I consider injuries, scoring errors, and poor play in tournaments also to be "hits". Not just events in which his personal life makes negative news. I also think there's a good amount of smaller day-to-day stuff that probably weights upon him as well.

Now then, I'm saying "I think" ... not "I know". I believe that I'm right about this, but I fully recognize that I can't prove it.

Sure- but that's a different argument than the initial one, which was that his poor play was the result of being humiliated by being exposed as a "piece of crap human being." I don't know what the reason for it is, but I'm pretty sure it's not that- because if it was he would never have had that bounceback.

 

[Doug B]

Sure- but that's a different argument than the initial one, which was that his poor play was the result of being humiliated by being exposed as a "piece of crap human being." I don't know what the reason for it is, but I'm pretty sure it's not that- because if it was he would never have had that bounceback.

I think Chief's theory is a significant part of the puzzle. But I can agree that it has not the entire singular issue with Tiger's game -- not then and not right now.

I also think he could have compartmentalized and rationalized back in 2012-2013** and got himself right enough often enough to play as well as he did. But maybe whatever his mental approach was in 2012-13 (during his best weeks, anyway) was somewhat mercurial, and difficult to summon up on demand. I also still think that, despite the tour wins and the honors, 2013 may have been a secret and personal disappointment in part because the majors continued to elude him (three top-6 finishes in 2012-13 majors notwithstanding). Consistency issues, lack of command, aging, etc. ... that was all still going on even during those recent good years.

Spitballing, speculating, etc. Fully admit I have no concrete basis.

** even further back in time, but Woods' oft-ignored 2012, in retrospect, was statistically pretty solid -- second on the money list, three wins, nine top 10s including a T3 at the British Open..

 

[Joe T]

BUT TIGER WAS THE 2013 PLAYER OF THE YEAR!

 

[Joe T]

Is that the only argument you have?

 

[Joe T]

It's the only argument I need Shawn!

 

[17seconds]

50-50 he hurts himself trying to hack out of the rough at the US Open.

He'll just pop the bone back in place.

God I hated how the broadcasters ate up that drama. DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID?!?! WOWW

 

[tommyboy]

Tiger used to be longer than everyone. Not anymore. He used to have the best short game. No more. He used to be great iron player. Nope. The younger generation is longer, better short games, and better ball strikers. He's basically David duval now. You'll be watching tiger on the golf channel soon

 

[Short Corner]

50-50 he hurts himself trying to hack out of the rough at the US Open.

He'll just pop the bone back in place.

God I hated how the broadcasters ate up that drama. DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID?!?! WOWW

I took it as sarcasm

 

[Reginald Cornsilks]

Tiger used to be longer than everyone. Not anymore. He used to have the best short game. No more. He used to be great iron player. Nope. The younger generation is longer, better short games, and better ball strikers. He's basically David duval now. You'll be watching tiger on the golf channel soon

You're obviously forgetting he was PGA tour player of the year 2 years ago bro!

 

[JaxBill]

So, for the people who say Tiger just needs to play more, should he be playing this week at the Par 70 TPC Southwind at Memphis?

 

[Jayrok]

He needs to get rid of these swing coaches and scrap all these technical things that are crowding his head. Just go to his local course and start playing by sight and feel. Stop trying to be perfect on every shot. And start drinking heavily.

Or apologize to Butch Harmon and beg for his help.

 

[TheIronSheik]

He needs to get rid of these swing coaches and scrap all these technical things that are crowding his head. Just go to his local course and start playing by sight and feel. Stop trying to be perfect on every shot. And start drinking heavily.

Or apologize to Butch Harmon and beg for his help.

This

 

[Apple Jack]

50-50 he hurts himself trying to hack out of the rough at the US Open.

He'll just pop the bone back in place.

God I hated how the broadcasters ate up that drama. DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID?!?! WOWW

I took it as sarcasm

it was. it was obvious they were rolling their eyes.

 

[Jack White]

So, for the people who say Tiger just needs to play more, should he be playing this week at the Par 70 TPC Southwind at Memphis?

Of course he should.

But he's Tigger. He's going to play twice a month at the most.

 

[Jack White]

So, for the people who say Tiger just needs to play more, should he be playing this week at the Par 70 TPC Southwind at Memphis?

By the way, I used to shred that course on Sega Golf back in the day.

 

[lod01]

So, for the people who say Tiger just needs to play more, should he be playing this week at the Par 70 TPC Southwind at Memphis?

Of course he should.

But he's Tigger. He's going to play twice a month at the most.

The more he plys, the faster his record win % drops.

 

[tommyboy]

He needs to get rid of these swing coaches and scrap all these technical things that are crowding his head. Just go to his local course and start playing by sight and feel. Stop trying to be perfect on every shot. And start drinking heavily.

Or apologize to Butch Harmon and beg for his help.

Yep

 

[tommyboy]

So, for the people who say Tiger just needs to play more, should he be playing this week at the Par 70 TPC Southwind at Memphis?

By the way, I used to shred that course on Sega Golf back in the day.

I shot 58 at waialea country club on snes

 

[Apple Jack]

I've grown to genuinely feel for the guy. He's just so lost, if you enjoyed watching him destroy all opponents, it has to affect you on some level to watch him chunk an easy pitch two feet into a bunker. And I always hated how he acted on the course. Just saying, from a pure golf standpoint, it's awful to watch if you have a soul. I'm starting to wish he'd retire.

Or just take a year off and go eat mushrooms in the desert and swim with dolphins and ####. If the fire doesn't return so be it. Also call butch.

 

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So, for the people who say Tiger just needs to play more, should he be playing this week at the Par 70 TPC Southwind at Memphis?

As someone who will be out on the course watching: Yes.

 

[Dark Matter]

I've grown to genuinely feel for the guy. He's just so lost, if you enjoyed watching him destroy all opponents, it has to affect you on some level to watch him chunk an easy pitch two feet into a bunker. And I always hated how he acted on the course. Just saying, from a pure golf standpoint, it's awful to watch if you have a soul. I'm starting to wish he'd retire.

I started to feel sorry for him, then I looked at pictures of his houses, yacht, and car collection. His play may be cringe-worthy, but I don't feel sorry for him personally.

He'd probably trade half his fortune for a couple more majors, and 99% of it for 5 more majors.

I heard Haney on Monday say that he honestly believes that beating Jack's major record doesn't matter to Tiger as much the media is leading us to believe. Tiger's priorities have changed along with his life. If he shut it down now, he would be satisfied with what he's accomplished in the game. Hard to believe that as Tiger has based his schedule around majors and Haney isn't in the inner circle anymore but maybe he's right.

 

[Tom Servo]

I've grown to genuinely feel for the guy. He's just so lost, if you enjoyed watching him destroy all opponents, it has to affect you on some level to watch him chunk an easy pitch two feet into a bunker. And I always hated how he acted on the course. Just saying, from a pure golf standpoint, it's awful to watch if you have a soul. I'm starting to wish he'd retire.

Sorry, but not me. There's something about watching who you step on when going up as you may run across them again on the way back down.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

He's still taking in 50 million a year, I'd say he is doing just fine