Tim Tebow: Can he win a Super Bowl? (1 Viewer)

[moleculo]

Nor can the OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P...but it's "Tebow." No other QB in the league gets more hype for a 46.6% completion rate or a 72.9 QB Rating. Tarvaris Jackson puts him to shame.

Keep up the good work. tebowners see what they want to see. Can't wait for next season to start so we can revive the original tebow thread.

so do the anti-tebowners.

So that thread is on the "most likely to get popped in the future" list. How are you guys going to define who wins?

FavreCo will win. Eventually Tebow's career will be over and FavreCo will gloat and bring in the "I told you so", regardless of any success Tebow may or may not have had. There's literally no way FavreCo will admit that he could be wrong, and everyone else will have given up.

I disagree. Tebow is judged on being a winner and that is the simplist statistic of all sports: wins and losses. Where is your line for Tebow's success in 2012?

right here.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Nor can the OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P...but it's "Tebow." No other QB in the league gets more hype for a 46.6% completion rate or a 72.9 QB Rating. Tarvaris Jackson puts him to shame.

Keep up the good work. tebowners see what they want to see. Can't wait for next season to start so we can revive the original tebow thread.

so do the anti-tebowners.

So that thread is on the "most likely to get popped in the future" list. How are you guys going to define who wins?

FavreCo will win. Eventually Tebow's career will be over and FavreCo will gloat and bring in the "I told you so", regardless of any success Tebow may or may not have had. There's literally no way FavreCo will admit that he could be wrong, and everyone else will have given up.

I disagree. Tebow is judged on being a winner and that is the simplist statistic of all sports: wins and losses. Where is your line for Tebow's success in 2012?

right here.

I didn't see wins and losses

 

[moleculo]

Nor can the OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P...but it's "Tebow." No other QB in the league gets more hype for a 46.6% completion rate or a 72.9 QB Rating. Tarvaris Jackson puts him to shame.

Keep up the good work. tebowners see what they want to see. Can't wait for next season to start so we can revive the original tebow thread.

so do the anti-tebowners.

So that thread is on the "most likely to get popped in the future" list. How are you guys going to define who wins?

FavreCo will win. Eventually Tebow's career will be over and FavreCo will gloat and bring in the "I told you so", regardless of any success Tebow may or may not have had. There's literally no way FavreCo will admit that he could be wrong, and everyone else will have given up.

I disagree. Tebow is judged on being a winner and that is the simplist statistic of all sports: wins and losses. Where is your line for Tebow's success in 2012?

right here.

I didn't see wins and losses

I thought wins and losses had more to do with OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Nor can the OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P...but it's "Tebow." No other QB in the league gets more hype for a 46.6% completion rate or a 72.9 QB Rating. Tarvaris Jackson puts him to shame.

Keep up the good work. tebowners see what they want to see. Can't wait for next season to start so we can revive the original tebow thread.

so do the anti-tebowners.

So that thread is on the "most likely to get popped in the future" list. How are you guys going to define who wins?

FavreCo will win. Eventually Tebow's career will be over and FavreCo will gloat and bring in the "I told you so", regardless of any success Tebow may or may not have had. There's literally no way FavreCo will admit that he could be wrong, and everyone else will have given up.

I disagree. Tebow is judged on being a winner and that is the simplist statistic of all sports: wins and losses. Where is your line for Tebow's success in 2012?

right here.

I didn't see wins and losses

I thought wins and losses had more to do with OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P?

Touchdown asked the question, not I.

 

[moleculo]

Nor can the OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P...but it's "Tebow." No other QB in the league gets more hype for a 46.6% completion rate or a 72.9 QB Rating. Tarvaris Jackson puts him to shame.

Keep up the good work. tebowners see what they want to see. Can't wait for next season to start so we can revive the original tebow thread.

so do the anti-tebowners.

So that thread is on the "most likely to get popped in the future" list. How are you guys going to define who wins?

FavreCo will win. Eventually Tebow's career will be over and FavreCo will gloat and bring in the "I told you so", regardless of any success Tebow may or may not have had. There's literally no way FavreCo will admit that he could be wrong, and everyone else will have given up.

I disagree. Tebow is judged on being a winner and that is the simplist statistic of all sports: wins and losses. Where is your line for Tebow's success in 2012?

right here.

I didn't see wins and losses

I thought wins and losses had more to do with OL/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/K/P?

Touchdown asked the question, not I.

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

 

[Touchdown There]

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

If the pro-Tebow camp will not agree that Tebow should be measured in only wins and losses, then the Tebow debate will never die. It will be endless bickering with no measuring stick.

 

[moleculo]

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

If the pro-Tebow camp will not agree that Tebow should be measured in only wins and losses, then the Tebow debate will never die. It will be endless bickering with no measuring stick.

I don't believe that any single player should be measured in only wins and losses. This isn't tennis.And, the Tebow debate will never die. Maybe you haven't seen the 69 page thread for a player with 14 career regular season starts. He's a polarizing figure, of that there can be no debate.IMO, the debate has two camps: those that judge a QB soley on passing accumen and those open to considering alternate means of QB success. I pointed to some rushing statistics previously, and I claim that Tebow is a good QB because of low turnovers and a marked improvement in team rushing. In my opinion, these facets make up for where his passing statistics fall short. FavreCo disagrees.

 

[Touchdown There]

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

If the pro-Tebow camp will not agree that Tebow should be measured in only wins and losses, then the Tebow debate will never die. It will be endless bickering with no measuring stick.

I don't believe that any single player should be measured in only wins and losses. This isn't tennis.And, the Tebow debate will never die. Maybe you haven't seen the 69 page thread for a player with 14 career regular season starts. He's a polarizing figure, of that there can be no debate.

IMO, the debate has two camps: those that judge a QB soley on passing accumen and those open to considering alternate means of QB success. I pointed to some rushing statistics previously, and I claim that Tebow is a good QB because of low turnovers and a marked improvement in team rushing. In my opinion, these facets make up for where his passing statistics fall short. FavreCo disagrees.

I am well up to speed, and you are in the camp of "alternate means of success". The problem here is that you are willing to give success a meaning that has nothing to do with wins and losses. This leaves open the possibility of Tebow stinking next year, yet never being wrong. Tebow could improve in just a few of your categories and then you will focus on that improvement, even if the Broncos go 6-10 or worse. You have to be willing to commit yourself if you want to be right.I am willing to bet that FavreCo will come in here and draw a line in the sand with you at 7 wins.

 

[Touchdown There]

0-6 Broncos Wins = FavreCo wins

7-8 Broncos Wins = Push

9-16 Broncos Wins = Molecule wins

There. I just wrote it down so it is set in stone.

 

[moleculo]

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

If the pro-Tebow camp will not agree that Tebow should be measured in only wins and losses, then the Tebow debate will never die. It will be endless bickering with no measuring stick.

I don't believe that any single player should be measured in only wins and losses. This isn't tennis.And, the Tebow debate will never die. Maybe you haven't seen the 69 page thread for a player with 14 career regular season starts. He's a polarizing figure, of that there can be no debate.

IMO, the debate has two camps: those that judge a QB soley on passing accumen and those open to considering alternate means of QB success. I pointed to some rushing statistics previously, and I claim that Tebow is a good QB because of low turnovers and a marked improvement in team rushing. In my opinion, these facets make up for where his passing statistics fall short. FavreCo disagrees.

I am well up to speed, and you are in the camp of "alternate means of success". The problem here is that you are willing to give success a meaning that has nothing to do with wins and losses. This leaves open the possibility of Tebow stinking next year, yet never being wrong. Tebow could improve in just a few of your categories and then you will focus on that improvement, even if the Broncos go 6-10 or worse. You have to be willing to commit yourself if you want to be right.I am willing to bet that FavreCo will come in here and draw a line in the sand with you at 7 wins.

Suppose Dumervil re-injures his pec and Von Miller sprains an ankle. Suddenly the D has no pass rush and reverts to the worst in the league. Will you be holding Tebow accountable for that?Eta: i would say that a statistical improvement vs 2011 and steady improvement would be good even if it does not translate into wins. There is nothing wrong with that approach. If Tebow plays worse and the team loses as a result, so be it...send him to the bench.

 

[Touchdown There]

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

If the pro-Tebow camp will not agree that Tebow should be measured in only wins and losses, then the Tebow debate will never die. It will be endless bickering with no measuring stick.

I don't believe that any single player should be measured in only wins and losses. This isn't tennis.And, the Tebow debate will never die. Maybe you haven't seen the 69 page thread for a player with 14 career regular season starts. He's a polarizing figure, of that there can be no debate.

IMO, the debate has two camps: those that judge a QB soley on passing accumen and those open to considering alternate means of QB success. I pointed to some rushing statistics previously, and I claim that Tebow is a good QB because of low turnovers and a marked improvement in team rushing. In my opinion, these facets make up for where his passing statistics fall short. FavreCo disagrees.

I am well up to speed, and you are in the camp of "alternate means of success". The problem here is that you are willing to give success a meaning that has nothing to do with wins and losses. This leaves open the possibility of Tebow stinking next year, yet never being wrong. Tebow could improve in just a few of your categories and then you will focus on that improvement, even if the Broncos go 6-10 or worse. You have to be willing to commit yourself if you want to be right.I am willing to bet that FavreCo will come in here and draw a line in the sand with you at 7 wins.

Suppose Dumervil re-injures his pec and Von Miller sprains an ankle. Suddenly the D has no pass rush and reverts to the worst in the league. Will you be holding Tebow accountable for that?

Sign some guys they feel good about at second string?

 

[daveR]

Not yet. He could develop.

 

[moleculo]

and I answered in terms of my line for success. As you pointed out perviously, team wins and losses are often dependant on teammates performances, so judging a QB solely by wins/losses is kind of silly. If that's not good enough, in touchdown there's other thread, I said that if the team is 1-4 and Tebow is the primary reason for that, it would be appropriate to pull the plug at that point.

If the pro-Tebow camp will not agree that Tebow should be measured in only wins and losses, then the Tebow debate will never die. It will be endless bickering with no measuring stick.

I don't believe that any single player should be measured in only wins and losses. This isn't tennis.And, the Tebow debate will never die. Maybe you haven't seen the 69 page thread for a player with 14 career regular season starts. He's a polarizing figure, of that there can be no debate.

IMO, the debate has two camps: those that judge a QB soley on passing accumen and those open to considering alternate means of QB success. I pointed to some rushing statistics previously, and I claim that Tebow is a good QB because of low turnovers and a marked improvement in team rushing. In my opinion, these facets make up for where his passing statistics fall short. FavreCo disagrees.

I am well up to speed, and you are in the camp of "alternate means of success". The problem here is that you are willing to give success a meaning that has nothing to do with wins and losses. This leaves open the possibility of Tebow stinking next year, yet never being wrong. Tebow could improve in just a few of your categories and then you will focus on that improvement, even if the Broncos go 6-10 or worse. You have to be willing to commit yourself if you want to be right.I am willing to bet that FavreCo will come in here and draw a line in the sand with you at 7 wins.

Suppose Dumervil re-injures his pec and Von Miller sprains an ankle. Suddenly the D has no pass rush and reverts to the worst in the league. Will you be holding Tebow accountable for that?

Sign some guys they feel good about at second string?

I don't think Tebow has yet earned tbe authority to sign other players. It's pretty clear what he needs to do to get to that level: >50k career passing yards and a couple SB wins.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

All of you voting NO are just plain and simple Tebow haters.

Any starting QB has a chance to win a Super Bowl. Take a step away from all the media attention, his religious beliefs, and any other reason you hate on him, and he's just another starting QB in the NFL. And any starting QB has a chance to win a Super Bowl.

You're making yourselves look like fools by saying no regardless of how you feel about Tebow.

Especially one that has started in two playoff games already and won one in just his second season.

It's easy to say no to this question, a lot harder to say yes. Will Tony Romo win one? Will Sam Bradford, Matty Ice, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford and the list goes on!

I think Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo. Why couldn't Tebow win one, he's already won a playoff game.If the rest of the Bronco team is playoff ready, Tebow could do it.

That Bronco defense was crushed by the Patriots. Joe Montana wouldn't have won that game for the Broncos, that defense couldn't stop Brady and Gronkowski if there life was dependent on it.

I am done hating on Tebow, he's surpassed my expectations as a QB already, I was wrong about him. If you guys had a poll on here before this season and it was do you think Tebow will lead the Broncos to a playoff win this year what do you think those poll stats would have looked like. I think most of us have underestimated him as a pro QB already, I am just going to enjoy a guy who's doing this the right way and willing to put it all out there on the line.

This is the problem Tebow Lovers. I find it hard to believe he "led" them to the playoffs when their Defense scored touchdowns at clutch times and Matt Prater hit 4 game tying and 3 game winning Field Goals. He misses those and nobody gives a @#%^ about Tebow, plus Elway would be replacing him this offseason. Denver made the playoffs despite Tim Tebow.

Benson, Why did you bold the part in my thread? Did you read my post or highlight something out of context? If you have read my post, I am no Tebow lover but I'm old enough to know I don't know everything so since the guy has won a playoff game in his first 2 years, more shocking things have happened in life than Tebow winning the SB. He's already done more than I thought he would do. Did you think before this year started he would have won a playoff game? Then he's done more than you thought too.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

All of you voting NO are just plain and simple Tebow haters.

Any starting QB has a chance to win a Super Bowl. Take a step away from all the media attention, his religious beliefs, and any other reason you hate on him, and he's just another starting QB in the NFL. And any starting QB has a chance to win a Super Bowl.

You're making yourselves look like fools by saying no regardless of how you feel about Tebow.

Especially one that has started in two playoff games already and won one in just his second season.

It's easy to say no to this question, a lot harder to say yes. Will Tony Romo win one? Will Sam Bradford, Matty Ice, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford and the list goes on!

I think Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo. Why couldn't Tebow win one, he's already won a playoff game.If the rest of the Bronco team is playoff ready, Tebow could do it.

That Bronco defense was crushed by the Patriots. Joe Montana wouldn't have won that game for the Broncos, that defense couldn't stop Brady and Gronkowski if there life was dependent on it.

I am done hating on Tebow, he's surpassed my expectations as a QB already, I was wrong about him. If you guys had a poll on here before this season and it was do you think Tebow will lead the Broncos to a playoff win this year what do you think those poll stats would have looked like. I think most of us have underestimated him as a pro QB already, I am just going to enjoy a guy who's doing this the right way and willing to put it all out there on the line.

This is the problem Tebow Lovers. I find it hard to believe he "led" them to the playoffs when their Defense scored touchdowns at clutch times and Matt Prater hit 4 game tying and 3 game winning Field Goals. He misses those and nobody gives a @#%^ about Tebow, plus Elway would be replacing him this offseason. Denver made the playoffs despite Tim Tebow.

Benson, Why did you bold the part in my thread? Did you read my post or highlight something out of context? If you have read my post, I am no Tebow lover but I'm old enough to know I don't know everything so since the guy has won a playoff game in his first 2 years, more shocking things have happened in life than Tebow winning the SB. He's already done more than I thought he would do. Did you think before this year started he would have won a playoff game? Then he's done more than you thought too.

I read your entire post, I just think it's a misnomer that Tebow led the Broncos to the playoffs. By your definition TJ Yates=Tim Tebow.

 

[moleculo]

All of you voting NO are just plain and simple Tebow haters.

Any starting QB has a chance to win a Super Bowl. Take a step away from all the media attention, his religious beliefs, and any other reason you hate on him, and he's just another starting QB in the NFL. And any starting QB has a chance to win a Super Bowl.

You're making yourselves look like fools by saying no regardless of how you feel about Tebow.

Especially one that has started in two playoff games already and won one in just his second season.

It's easy to say no to this question, a lot harder to say yes. Will Tony Romo win one? Will Sam Bradford, Matty Ice, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford and the list goes on!

I think Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo. Why couldn't Tebow win one, he's already won a playoff game.If the rest of the Bronco team is playoff ready, Tebow could do it.

That Bronco defense was crushed by the Patriots. Joe Montana wouldn't have won that game for the Broncos, that defense couldn't stop Brady and Gronkowski if there life was dependent on it.

I am done hating on Tebow, he's surpassed my expectations as a QB already, I was wrong about him. If you guys had a poll on here before this season and it was do you think Tebow will lead the Broncos to a playoff win this year what do you think those poll stats would have looked like. I think most of us have underestimated him as a pro QB already, I am just going to enjoy a guy who's doing this the right way and willing to put it all out there on the line.

This is the problem Tebow Lovers. I find it hard to believe he "led" them to the playoffs when their Defense scored touchdowns at clutch times and Matt Prater hit 4 game tying and 3 game winning Field Goals. He misses those and nobody gives a @#%^ about Tebow, plus Elway would be replacing him this offseason. Denver made the playoffs despite Tim Tebow.

Benson, Why did you bold the part in my thread? Did you read my post or highlight something out of context? If you have read my post, I am no Tebow lover but I'm old enough to know I don't know everything so since the guy has won a playoff game in his first 2 years, more shocking things have happened in life than Tebow winning the SB. He's already done more than I thought he would do. Did you think before this year started he would have won a playoff game? Then he's done more than you thought too.

I read your entire post, I just think it's a misnomer that Tebow led the Broncos to the playoffs. By your definition TJ Yates=Tim Tebow.

What was the Texans record when Yates took over again?

 

[moleculo]

Here is a more interesting question: who is more likely to win a SB: Tebow or Sam Bradford?

Consider this: Both are heading into their third year. Both have been on some pretty bad teams - 2010 Broncos = 2nd worst in the league, 2011 Rams = 2nd worst in the league. choaching turmoil, etc. both have been tutored by Josh McDaniels.

Bradford has had 12 more regular season starts than Tebow (26 vs 14). However, Tebow has won the same number of games (8), has 4 more career TD's (29-25), and has thrown 12 fewer int's (21-9). Bradford has a substantial lead in total yards (passing + rushing), but in terms of total yards per game, Tebow is actually ahead (233-221)*.

An arguement can be made that Tebow > Bradford on the basis of stats or wins, but you won't see anyone making any grand proclamations about what Bradford can or cannot do.

* Note: these per game numbers can be debated - bradford has started every game he has collected stats in, and hasn't finished every game he has started. Tebow, on the other hand, collected stats in 2010 as a role player and in the 2nd half of the SD game and has never been pulled for injury. When you are dealing with a limited number of games, these things can have an effect.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He won't sniff a Super Bowl unless he's a FB, TE or something.