Dr. Octopus
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I was hoping to take that for romantic gesture - guess it's off the board now.
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timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (1 Viewer)
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AcerFC
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
'Aerial Assault said:
Stupid rules are part of the charm.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Screw you both.It's the best Trek movie and about the 12th best Outer Space movie. You'll like it!I am trying to mentally calculate how many times we have agreed on a movie to figure out the odds of me enjoying this one.You owe it to yourself to see Wrath of Khan. Like Yankee always says, it's much more than just a Trek movie. It's one of the best movies ever period.Watch the original episode Space Seed first though.Sadly, I don't think I've seen a Star Trek movie besides 4 and pretty sure I still haven't seen a full Bond movie.
timschochet
Footballguy
Not sure if this is shtick or not, but as it happens I kind of agree. Both of the films chosen so far deserve to be on any "outer space" list, but neither deserves, IMO, anywhere close to the top half of that list.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm sure we all know which movies you would consider in the top half of the sci-fi list. The artsy, fartsy, and dull ones.I'm not picking for anyone's pleasure but mine.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
At the end of this I would be interested in seeing your top 12 space movies if Empire doesn't belong toward the top of the list. You think it hasn't aged well, wasn't that good to begin with, something else?
joffer
Footballguy
....zero.....point.....zero..../deanwermerI am trying to mentally calculate how many times we have agreed on a movie to figure out the odds of me enjoying this one.You owe it to yourself to see Wrath of Khan. Like Yankee always says, it's much more than just a Trek movie. It's one of the best movies ever period.Watch the original episode Space Seed first though.Sadly, I don't think I've seen a Star Trek movie besides 4 and pretty sure I still haven't seen a full Bond movie.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well, and Yankee's right? And don't try to pigeonhole me. You have no idea of my movie tastes. (You will, though.)
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Screw you both.It's the best Trek movie and about the 12th best Outer Space movie. You'll like it!I am trying to mentally calculate how many times we have agreed on a movie to figure out the odds of me enjoying this one.You owe it to yourself to see Wrath of Khan. Like Yankee always says, it's much more than just a Trek movie. It's one of the best movies ever period.Watch the original episode Space Seed first though.Sadly, I don't think I've seen a Star Trek movie besides 4 and pretty sure I still haven't seen a full Bond movie.
So, do you not suggest watching the first movie before this one? what season, etc. would I find that episode you suggested?
timschochet
Footballguy
Oh I don't know. I love Empire, and Khan as well. They're not the first few I think of. I'm glad I won't be judging the category.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No. Your rule forces people's hands into this type of pick. Since we only get one pick per franchise, I thought I'd pick the best representation of, depending on your point of view, the first or second most popular Sci-Fi franchise in all of movie history.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I know I enjoy a good fartsy movie.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Not really. If you're not a Trek fan, you'll find ST: The Motion Picture to be really dull.Space Seed is in Season 1/Episode 22
So, do you not suggest watching the first movie before this one? what season, etc. would I find that episode you suggested?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think based on your statement, everybody else is glad you aren't as well.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
You don't have to see the first Trek to enjoy Kahn. I don't think you really need to see the Kahn episode of the TV show either. If you aren't a Trek fan, the quirk of the TV show may skew what you think of the film. Don't get me wrong Andy, I love me some Kahn. I was exaggerating a bit but there are several movies I would place higher in the category.Screw you both.It's the best Trek movie and about the 12th best Outer Space movie. You'll like it!I am trying to mentally calculate how many times we have agreed on a movie to figure out the odds of me enjoying this one.You owe it to yourself to see Wrath of Khan. Like Yankee always says, it's much more than just a Trek movie. It's one of the best movies ever period.Watch the original episode Space Seed first though.Sadly, I don't think I've seen a Star Trek movie besides 4 and pretty sure I still haven't seen a full Bond movie.
So, do you not suggest watching the first movie before this one? what season, etc. would I find that episode you suggested?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Eh, and I think it would likely be reasonable to do so. Khan is just my favorite SciFi movie. Yes, even above the Star Wars movies.
timschochet
Footballguy
My rule did not force your hand. Would you truly have waited because there were more Star Trek films available? I can see the argument for Empire with regard to my rule- both Star Wars and Empire are excellent films and one of them would surely have been drafted quickly- but how many Star Trek films measure up to Khan or even come close? None. The only one that remotely comes close, IMO, is the most recent one that came out 3 years ago.
timschochet
Footballguy
The more I think about it, Khan and Empire probably would both make my top 5.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
This post makes me believe that you need some medical attention.
timschochet
Footballguy
You've been reading my posts for years- you just figured that out?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I meant like immediate, call 911 because you've fallen and can't get up type of attention. I assume you are off your meds as a starting point.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Plus, I like that Khan gave composer James Horner his big break. His soundtracks have entertained me for years and this is one of his best.
Complete Khan Soundtrack
Complete Khan Soundtrack
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Exactly, this pick was entirely because of the rule limitation. I understand wanting to broaden horizons and whatnot and not just have this be the same old same old top 25 movie type thing, but the rule is probably too restrictive. As a result, especially given that the entire Star Wars franchise disappeared already, we wanted (needed to some extent) to have the Star Trek franchise as represented in what we both consider not just the best sci-fi movie of all time, but a top 10 overall movie of all time. I can think of a whole host of other things that should have been picked first in the categories because some are really really top heavy, but with the rule in place and our personal biases, this had to be the pick, and we didn't even need to PM each other to know it.
higgins
Footballguy
Even I knew this was going to be the pick.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
See, tim. See what you force people to do?Of course, as soon as Andy picks Tom Hanks letting Wilson drown in the ocean as a romantic gesture, I'm probably bowing out, but for now this is fun.Even I knew this was going to be the pick.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Do we have an outer space judge yet?
Wondering if these movies must take place in space, or can be about getting there, getting visitors from there, 1/2 and 1/2, etc...
Wondering if these movies must take place in space, or can be about getting there, getting visitors from there, 1/2 and 1/2, etc...
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
It's "outer space", not "Sci-fi" although to the judge it could be samey same.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yes, but Tim doesn't care about his category as long as there's nazis in it in some form. We could still be going to outer space or have only 1/2 the movie set there, etc.. Just curious if the whole film needed to take place off the planet earth is all.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think that if it involves people from outer space who are here on Earth, that's fine. But they need to be featured. If, for example, only 30 seconds of a film were devoted to "Jews in Space" that wouldn't fare so well.
Just to piss off Andy and Yankee, I nominate krista4 to judge this category.
Just to piss off Andy and Yankee, I nominate krista4 to judge this category.
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Any joke I could make could possibly spotlight an actual pick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wheeeeee!!!!!! This is fun.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm not really serious about this, one of the reasons I didn't join as a drafter. I just think your examples are self defeating. I'd say, with very rare exceptions, that we would know if something is a series or not. Nothing you've posted about Pixar would convince me that they're par tof a series, simply the same world.'John Maddens Lunchbox said:Why so serious?'Mrs. Rannous said:I'll quit running circles around this. If Tim decides that Pixar movies are part of a series it's one and done, same with ANYTHING else. Tims choice, not a clear rule.
There has already been a few "Bond" Examples
What about the Carry on Movies? Are they a series or individual movies? The actors are generally the same, but they play different characters and different styles. With a category about England THAT is a very relevant question.
We could play this game all day, some are clearly not part of a series (Hitchcock, Tarantino)
Some are spurious examples of a series at best (Pixar)
Others not so well defined. I'm just worried (not really) that at some stage, this is going to explode in our faces when someone tries to take a movie or scene and this stupid rule stops good category choices.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Where are all these slackers?
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I'll judge sports
AcerFC
Footballguy
I think for classroom scene, I would like it to take place in a classroom. I am still debating some of my other criteria. It may be something like
75% did it happen in a classroom
12.5% was it a good scene
12.5% would this ever have happened to me in my 14 years in the classroom
Of course, this could all change by the time I sit down to judge.
timschochet
Footballguy
My judging will be:
50% Was it a Nazi movie?
25% Was it a good Nazi movie?
25% Do I like the person who drafted it?
50% Was it a Nazi movie?
25% Was it a good Nazi movie?
25% Do I like the person who drafted it?
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
So we're just skipping Mister CIA already? The clock hasn't even started and we're still at the very beginning of the first round, seems like an inopportune to start skipping people..
Also, I'm surprised at how many people are against the 1 movie per series rule. You guys are really that adamant about wanting to see Star Wars, James Bond, and Superhero franchise films fill out their respective categories?
Also, I'm surprised at how many people are against the 1 movie per series rule. You guys are really that adamant about wanting to see Star Wars, James Bond, and Superhero franchise films fill out their respective categories?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Dude said it was okay to skip him.So we're just skipping Mister CIA already? The clock hasn't even started and we're still at the very beginning of the first round, seems like an inopportune to start skipping people..
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
It's no given that would occur, not even close. I liked all six SW films but most people sure didn't. No one would draft the latter three or ROTJ, most likely. But the sweeping nature of the rule means that "Star Wars" will now not be drafted, which is silly.So we're just skipping Mister CIA already? The clock hasn't even started and we're still at the very beginning of the first round, seems like an inopportune to start skipping people..
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Heaven forbid if our movie draft, which includes categories like best superhero movie and best car chase, produces silly results!I think the movie draft will survive just fine without the presence of 'Star Wars' myself, it's not like there's isn't hundreds of thousands of other movies that can be drafted.It's no given that would occur, not even close. I liked all six SW films but most people sure didn't. No one would draft the latter three or ROTJ, most likely. But the sweeping nature of the rule means that "Star Wars" will now not be drafted, which is silly.So we're just skipping Mister CIA already? The clock hasn't even started and we're still at the very beginning of the first round, seems like an inopportune to start skipping people..
Also, I'm surprised at how many people are against the 1 movie per series rule. You guys are really that adamant about wanting to see Star Wars, James Bond, and Superhero franchise films fill out their respective categories?
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timschochet
Footballguy
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I feel the same way about every thread regarding politics and religion
timschochet
Footballguy
I've been thinking about this morning which film I like better, Empire or Khan. Empire has more action- in fact, like Star Wars, it's a non-stop action space opera. I think it's better than Star Wars because the two most interesting characters, Solo and Vader have larger roles. Also the action scenes, particularly involving the Millennium Falcon, are better than Star Wars IMO.
Khan has more overacting (Shatner and Montalban in particular) but it is probably the best appearance by Spock in the franchise. Khan has much less action, but perhaps because of this, the action scenes are more intense, and featuring a series of chess moves which lives up to the best of the Star Trek tradition. Also, unlike Empire, Khan offers a philosophical theme- cheesy, but poignant even so.
Both movies touch on lost father-son relationships. Both films feature an emotional ending, with the loss (death) of a main character- but IMO Spock's death is handled much better than Solo's freezing.
For all of the incredible special effects that Empire offers (far more impressive than Khan), Khan is a better, more thoughtful story. And ultimately this trumps presentation.
Give me Khan.
Khan has more overacting (Shatner and Montalban in particular) but it is probably the best appearance by Spock in the franchise. Khan has much less action, but perhaps because of this, the action scenes are more intense, and featuring a series of chess moves which lives up to the best of the Star Trek tradition. Also, unlike Empire, Khan offers a philosophical theme- cheesy, but poignant even so.
Both movies touch on lost father-son relationships. Both films feature an emotional ending, with the loss (death) of a main character- but IMO Spock's death is handled much better than Solo's freezing.
For all of the incredible special effects that Empire offers (far more impressive than Khan), Khan is a better, more thoughtful story. And ultimately this trumps presentation.
Give me Khan.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Not really, I've seen far too many a Tim Draft be derailed by arguments about rules that should be clear from the outset. Whether Tim gets off on the chaos I don't know (well I do and he does).
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