timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (3 Viewers)

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I think that if it involves people from outer space who are here on Earth, that's fine. But they need to be featured. If, for example, only 30 seconds of a film were devoted to "Jews in Space" that wouldn't fare so well.

Just to piss off Andy and Yankee, I nominate krista4 to judge this category.

Make it so number 1

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

It goes on and on. Now they are obvious cartoonist/In jokes, but they are all part of the Pixar universe and an argument can be made that they are part of a series

You made a much better case than I would have thought when I asked. Tenuous, as you said, but pretty good!Clearly we need to treat Tarantino movies the same.

You can make a clear case for some, not all though.Pixar has cross references in EVERY movie

There is no case for Pixar movies being in the same universe. Those references aren't part of the story. They are there just for fun.Alfred Hitchcock makes a cameo appearance in most of his films. Are they somehow all set in the same universe? That's just ridiculous.

Why so serious? I'll quit running circles around this. If Tim decides that Pixar movies are part of a series it's one and done, same with ANYTHING else. Tims choice, not a clear rule.

There has already been a few "Bond" Examples

What about the Carry on Movies? Are they a series or individual movies? The actors are generally the same, but they play different characters and different styles. With a category about England THAT is a very relevant question.

We could play this game all day, some are clearly not part of a series (Hitchcock, Tarantino)

Some are spurious examples of a series at best (Pixar)

Others not so well defined. I'm just worried (not really) that at some stage, this is going to explode in our faces when someone tries to take a movie or scene and this stupid rule stops good category choices.

I'm not really serious about this, one of the reasons I didn't join as a drafter. I just think your examples are self defeating. I'd say, with very rare exceptions, that we would know if something is a series or not. Nothing you've posted about Pixar would convince me that they're par tof a series, simply the same world.

But seriously, I'm done with this topic and will just wait and see how it unfolds.

If the scheisse hits the fan, so be it. I won't gloat.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

My judging will be:

50% Was it a Nazi movie?

25% Was it a good Nazi movie?

25% Do I like the person who drafted it?

That's me ficked

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Judging Criteria

Adultery/Sex movies

This is pretty much 2 categories thrown together by the looks of it, so let me help.

If you feature on the Adultery angle, you had better make it real good as the sex movies are far deeper and more likely to score high.

A good adultery movie will need to primarily focus on the adultery angle and be a major revelation to the jilted/affected partner with sufficient affecting consequences. If both parties partake in adultery then it must have suitable revelatory purpose to the film.

If the adultery is undiscovered or a minor incident in the movie, then expect to score real low.

Now the far more interesting part of this topic, Sex.

The movie must be primarily about sex or feature dang good sex scenes. The sex must be consensual (no squealing like a pig).

I'm not concerned if it's man/man, man/woman, woman/woman, multiple partners or animal/plant/mineral/doll involvement. If its the latter, please expect a low score unless it is consensual, relevant or likely to not make me throw up.

Movies that are Hollywood blockbusters featuring eg Tom Cruise or John Travolta in an attempt to prove their 100% straight sexuality by having a clumsily filmed, erotic as a kick to the balls sex scene with an eventual lesbian, will score really low. Especially if the movie is essentially about Fighter jets or the like.

If the movie features real sex, great, make sure it's not a porno. There are some noted Italian/European directors who will do a real movie, with real sex, but it's not a porno if you follow. These will be treated the same as a normal sex movie not showing penatrative sex. A porno will score real low unless there is a real story that is about sex, but not about visiting tradesman getting paid in other ways hehe.

If you pick a movie about 2 80 year olds rediscovering their sexuality expect a low score. I have to be moved, and not to a sick bucket.

Sex must be the driving theme in the movie, but other minor themes can be explored.

Any questions, jism here.

As an addendum, if the movie features a foot fetish scene there will be bonus points.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Judging Criteria

England

This movie must be set and take place in England or be about English people away from home and retaining their Englishness.

Looking away from period dramas where it is set in the 1800's, everyone has a nice house and a nanny called Penelope will be encouraged.

Avoiding the "Oh I say" kind of Hugh Grant movies will also be encouraged.

There are many regional accents which aren't of the "plum stuck in the mouth" variety, so diversity will be appreciated.

If the movie has major or minor Scottish/Welsh or Irish undertones expect a low score. This is about England.

If anyone drafts Trainspotting, expect a 1.

The quality of the movie is a bonus, but Englishness is the most important criteria.

Try to look at this from an English persons point of view, rather than an what an American thinks of England.

Any questions, fire away

 

[Mister CIA]

we didn't even need to PM each other to know it.

Even I knew this was going to be the pick.

See, tim. See what you force people to do?Of course, as soon as Andy picks Tom Hanks letting Wilson drown in the ocean as a romantic gesture, I'm probably bowing out, but for now this is fun.

Wait to spoil it for me dude.

 

[Mister CIA]

So we're just skipping Mister CIA already? The clock hasn't even started and we're still at the very beginning of the first round, seems like an inopportune to start skipping people..

Dude said it was okay to skip him.

Yep, fine to skip. I've got about 8 picks on my cheatsheet that can all wait until round 20+.

 

[mad sweeney]

It goes on and on. Now they are obvious cartoonist/In jokes, but they are all part of the Pixar universe and an argument can be made that they are part of a series

You made a much better case than I would have thought when I asked. Tenuous, as you said, but pretty good!Clearly we need to treat Tarantino movies the same.

You can make a clear case for some, not all though.Pixar has cross references in EVERY movie

There is no case for Pixar movies being in the same universe. Those references aren't part of the story. They are there just for fun.Alfred Hitchcock makes a cameo appearance in most of his films. Are they somehow all set in the same universe? That's just ridiculous.

Why so serious? I'll quit running circles around this. If Tim decides that Pixar movies are part of a series it's one and done, same with ANYTHING else. Tims choice, not a clear rule.

There has already been a few "Bond" Examples

What about the Carry on Movies? Are they a series or individual movies? The actors are generally the same, but they play different characters and different styles. With a category about England THAT is a very relevant question.

We could play this game all day, some are clearly not part of a series (Hitchcock, Tarantino)

Some are spurious examples of a series at best (Pixar)

Others not so well defined. I'm just worried (not really) that at some stage, this is going to explode in our faces when someone tries to take a movie or scene and this stupid rule stops good category choices.

I'm not really serious about this, one of the reasons I didn't join as a drafter. I just think your examples are self defeating. I'd say, with very rare exceptions, that we would know if something is a series or not. Nothing you've posted about Pixar would convince me that they're par tof a series, simply the same world.

But seriously, I'm done with this topic and will just wait and see how it unfolds.

If the scheisse hits the fan, so be it. I won't gloat.

That isn't the emoticon you're looking for.

 

[Mister CIA]

I could wait until the last round to draft this, possibly, but I like it so much I'm going to draft it right out of the gate. Cloris Leachman gives us four minutes of brilliance that won her an Academy Award for best supporting actress as Ruth Popper in The Last Picture Show - a movie that would make the top 25 cutoff if I were banished to Gilligan's Island.

1.02 -

 

[Time Kibitzer]

1.04 - Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Multiple Performances in a Movie

3 comically genius performances by one of the greats.

Here's a very funny scene from Sellers as each character:

 

[Nick Vermeil]

1.04 - Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Multiple Performances in a Movie

3 comically genius performances by one of the greats.

Here's a very funny scene from each character:

 

[higgins]

I could wait until the last round to draft this, possibly, but I like it so much I'm going to draft it right out of the gate. Cloris Leachman gives us four minutes of brilliance that won her an Academy Award for best supporting actress as Ruth Popper in The Last Picture Show - a movie that would make the top 25 cutoff if I were banished to Gilligan's Island.

1.02 -

 

[timschochet]

Wow. Some great picks right off the bat. This is gonna be fun.

 

[Val Rannous]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Call me crazy, but I think First Contact is up there with Khan when it comes to top trek movies.

Also - Star Trek > Star Wars

 

[Mister CIA]

Call me crazy, but I think First Contact is up there with Khan when it comes to top trek movies.Also - Star Trek > Star Wars

Bazinga!!

 

[joffer]

Some nice picks so far

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

That isn't the emoticon you're looking for.

Surely you have to judge something here?

 

[Mister CIA]

I could wait until the last round to draft this, possibly, but I like it so much I'm going to draft it right out of the gate. Cloris Leachman gives us four minutes of brilliance that won her an Academy Award for best supporting actress as Ruth Popper in The Last Picture Show - a movie that would make the top 25 cutoff if I were banished to Gilligan's Island.

1.02 -


floors me.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

We need a place on the first page with the judging criteria gathered.

 

[mad sweeney]

That isn't the emoticon you're looking for.

Surely you have to judge something here?

Probably can't. My Top Model job ended so I'm freelancing about and have little idea what hours, if any, I'll be doing for work. Ninety nine percent chance that it won't be a "desk" job like I had on the salad days of a reality show. It's hard enough for me to get this second song category judged (though I'm close, I promise).

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Judging Criteria

Fight Scene

This can either be a physical fight or a verbal fight, but if it is the latter it is going to have to be worth it to rate on a par with the physical ones.

The overall movie will be a criteria, but only of minor importance.

The fight scene must be memorable.

If it is physical I don't want to see air swings. I want to feel the pain.

Length of the fight will be a consideration. If it goes on too long and gets boring, it may struggle to reach the top. Too short and unless it is of major impact then it will be penalized.

A one punch fight is not really a fight, there must be 2 or more parties involved.

I will even consider a gun fight, flight with chickens, literally anything than be considered a fight.

Any questions?

 

[timschochet]

We need a place on the first page with the judging criteria gathered.

It will be at the bottom of the 3rd post when I get around to it. Probably sometime tomorrow.

 

[Doug B]

1.05: Ben Kingsley as Mohandas Gandhi in Gandhi (Portrayal of Real Person)

,,,

 

[Val Rannous]

1.06 The Shower scene from Psycho (Shocking Scene)

Killing a girl with a knife in a shower - Money.

Hints of nudity and weird sex in 1960 - Money.

Whacking your star off only a third of a way into the movie? -

.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What is this?

Scenes

11. shooting a movie scene

 

[KarmaPolice]

What is this?

Scenes

11. shooting a movie scene

Probably not worded the best here. There are tons of movies about movies (or even ones not about that) which feature a film being shot. So we are drafting scenes in a movie that feature another movie being made. IMO for the spirit of the category I think found footage movies should be avoided, but I guess the judge could overrule that.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What is this?

Scenes

11. shooting a movie scene

Probably not worded the best here. There are tons of movies about movies (or even ones not about that) which feature a film being shot. So we are drafting scenes in a movie that feature another movie being made. IMO for the spirit of the category I think found footage movies should be avoided, but I guess the judge could overrule that.

Huh...would have never dreamed of this as a cat.I suppose we could always cop op and draft something from the "The Making of KarmaPolice" genre.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Sure it's the 1st round and all that, but I will echo the thoughts from earlier and say to the movies picked so far. Going to have to think a bit about the historical figure one since sadly I hadn't thought of Kingsley on first walk through.

 

[KarmaPolice]

What is this?

Scenes

11. shooting a movie scene

Probably not worded the best here. There are tons of movies about movies (or even ones not about that) which feature a film being shot. So we are drafting scenes in a movie that feature another movie being made. IMO for the spirit of the category I think found footage movies should be avoided, but I guess the judge could overrule that.

Huh...would have never dreamed of this as a cat.I suppose we could always cop op and draft something from the "The Making of KarmaPolice" genre.

Don't think anybody is prepared to go down that weird, twisted road.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What is this?

Scenes

11. shooting a movie scene

Probably not worded the best here. There are tons of movies about movies (or even ones not about that) which feature a film being shot. So we are drafting scenes in a movie that feature another movie being made. IMO for the spirit of the category I think found footage movies should be avoided, but I guess the judge could overrule that.

Huh...would have never dreamed of this as a cat.I suppose we could always cop op and draft something from the "The Making of KarmaPolice" genre.

Don't think anybody is prepared to go down that weird, twisted road.

Stupid categories get punted. Not worrying about that one for a long, long time.ETA: prolly

 

[KarmaPolice]

What is this?

Scenes

11. shooting a movie scene

Probably not worded the best here. There are tons of movies about movies (or even ones not about that) which feature a film being shot. So we are drafting scenes in a movie that feature another movie being made. IMO for the spirit of the category I think found footage movies should be avoided, but I guess the judge could overrule that.

Huh...would have never dreamed of this as a cat.I suppose we could always cop op and draft something from the "The Making of KarmaPolice" genre.

Don't think anybody is prepared to go down that weird, twisted road.

Stupid categories

get punted. Not worrying about that one for a long, long time.ETA: prolly

I will admit, maybe I didn't think of what might be drafted too much, so we will see what is out there.

 

[krista4]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

No way am I doing it. It's yours.

 

[krista4]

1.04 - Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Multiple Performances in a Movie

3 comically genius performances by one of the greats.

Here's a very funny scene from Sellers as each character:

This is pretty much the beginning and the end of the category for me. After him, I don't have a second choice. :(

 

[BobbyLayne]

Well, we always end up with some categories that are deep and some that are shallow. You either grab the value or punt. It's all good.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

1.04 - Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Multiple Performances in a Movie

3 comically genius performances by one of the greats.

Here's a very funny scene from Sellers as each character:

I got a few others on my list, but Sellers was a cut or several above them all.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

President Merkin Muffley: [to Kissoff] Hello?... Uh... Hello D- uh hello Dmitri? Listen uh uh I can't hear too well. Do you suppose you could turn the music down just a little?... Oh-ho, that's much better... yeah... huh... yes... Fine, I can hear you now, Dmitri... Clear and plain and coming through fine... I'm coming through fine, too, eh?... Good, then... well, then, as you say, we're both coming through fine... Good... Well, it's good that you're fine and... and I'm fine... I agree with you, it's great to be fine... a-ha-ha-ha-ha... Now then, Dmitri, you know how we've always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the Bomb... The *Bomb*, Dmitri... The *hydrogen* bomb!... Well now, what happened is... ahm... one of our base commanders, he had a sort of... well, he went a little funny in the head... you know... just a little... funny. And, ah... he went and did a silly thing... Well, I'll tell you what he did. He ordered his planes... to attack your country... Ah... Well, let me finish, Dmitri... Let me finish, Dmitri... Well listen, how do you think I feel about it?... Can you *imagine* how I feel about it, Dmitri?... Why do you think I'm calling you? Just to say hello?... *Of course* I like to speak to you!... *Of course* I like to say hello!... Not now, but anytime, Dmitri. I'm just calling up to tell you something terrible has happened... It's a *friendly* call. Of course it's a friendly call... Listen, if it wasn't friendly... you probably wouldn't have even got it... They will *not* reach their targets for at least another hour... I am... I am positive, Dmitri... Listen, I've been all over this with your ambassador. It is not a trick... Well, I'll tell you. We'd like to give your air staff a complete run-down on the targets, the flight plans, and the defensive systems of the planes... Yes! I mean i-i-i-if we're unable to recall the planes, then... I'd say that, ah... well, ah... we're just gonna have to help you destroy them, Dmitri... I know they're our boys... All right, well listen now. Who should we call?... *Who* should we call, Dmitri? The... wha-whe, the People... you, sorry, you faded away there... The People's Central Air Defense Headquarters... Where is that, Dmitri?... In Omsk... Right... Yes... Oh, you'll call them first, will you?... Uh-huh... Listen, do you happen to have the phone number on you, Dmitri?... Whe-ah, what? I see, just ask for Omsk information... Ah-ah-eh-uhm-hm... I'm sorry, too, Dmitri... I'm very sorry... *All right*, you're sorrier than I am, but I am as sorry as well... I am as sorry as you are, Dmitri! Don't say that you're more sorry than I am, because I'm capable of being just as sorry as you are... So we're both sorry, all right?... All right.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

No way am I doing it. It's yours.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I can be skipped at any stage of the draft. Yes, even the 1st round

 

[krista4]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

No way am I doing it. It's yours.

I see I've been put in as judge for the "no idea what it's about" category. It's fine; I can do it, but just never actually said I would.

 

[krista4]

Am I the only one who has no idea what I'm targeting in any category?

 

[ScottNorwood]

Am I the only one who has no idea what I'm targeting in any category?

Yes - I know exactly who you are targeting.

 

[krista4]

Am I the only one who has no idea what I'm targeting in any category?

Yes - I know exactly who you are targeting.

Portrayal of a real person category, I assume.

 

[krista4]

Clarifications:

1. Once an actor/actress has been taken, can he/she be taken for a different role in a different category? Different role in the same category? (Please say yes.)

2. Is "alcohol" a drug for purposes of drug movies?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Am I the only one who has no idea what I'm targeting in any category?

Yes - I know exactly who you are targeting.

Quit giving away our sleeper picks, Norwood.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Am I the only one who has no idea what I'm targeting in any category?

Yes - I know exactly who you are targeting.

My link

 

[KarmaPolice]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

No way am I doing it. It's yours.

I see I've been put in as judge for the "no idea what it's about" category. It's fine; I can do it, but just never actually said I would.

Tim gave it to you guys since you are the ones who watch the artsy weird #### that nobody understands. I also think you two would rock the romantic gesture category too.

 

[krista4]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

No way am I doing it. It's yours.

I see I've been put in as judge for the "no idea what it's about" category. It's fine; I can do it, but just never actually said I would.

Tim gave it to you guys since you are the ones who watch the artsy weird #### that nobody understands. I also think you two would rock the romantic gesture category too.

Now that I'm looking at the categories, that's the other one I'll leave to the end as I have no idea where to go with it.Sure, I'll judge it.Criteria for romantic gestureon't be sappy. I said this in a prior draft in terms of judging something like this, and then people took the sappy crap anyway. You will suffer if you do. Be subtle. Be romantic. Selflessness or suffering will win points. I don't understand this category, so that's the best I can do.Movies I don't understand. Be forewarned that foreign movies won't automatically do well since that's the majority of what I watch. Long, meandering shots help. Non-linear storytelling helps. Absence of any storytelling at all helps more. Midgets will score extra points.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Am I the only one who has no idea what I'm targeting in any category?

Yes. Yes, you are.I don't seem to be having too much trouble with most of the categories. It helps to have someone to bounce ideas off of.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Unless you're serious about making Krista take Outer Space, I'll judge that category. I'll post my criteria once I get approved.

No way am I doing it. It's yours.

I see I've been put in as judge for the "no idea what it's about" category. It's fine; I can do it, but just never actually said I would.

Tim gave it to you guys since you are the ones who watch the artsy weird #### that nobody understands.

I also think you two would rock the romantic gesture category too.

Now that I'm looking at the categories, that's the other one I'll leave to the end as I have no idea where to go with it.Sure, I'll judge it.

Criteria for romantic gesture:

Don't be sappy. I said this in a prior draft in terms of judging something like this, and then people took the sappy crap anyway. You will suffer if you do. Be subtle. Be romantic. Selflessness or suffering will win points. I don't understand this category, so that's the best I can do.

I forgot about the non-sappy fallout from last draft. Again, that's probably the type of stuff you might be getting in this category. Maybe you shouldn't judge after all.

Didn't think this category would be hard either, and don't know how to explain it without citing examples, so I will make some up: a character writes somebody a letter, shows up at the door with flowers, steps out of the way of a relationship so somebody they dig can be happy, gives somebody a kidney, etc., etc.