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timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (1 Viewer)

AcerFC- Total after 13 categories- 209

MOVIES

Drugs Easy Rider 11 points
England Nil by Mouth 22 points
Nazis American History X 18 points
New York Dog Day Afternoon 19 points
Outer Space The Day the Earth Stood Still 6 points

Superheroes Scott Pilgrim vs. The World 2 points

No Idea What This Movie Is About Cube

Adultery/sex Belle De Jour
Rock and Roll The Decline of Western Civilization
Spies North by Northwest


SCENES
car chase The Town 9 points
classroom scene Home Ec Scene from Superbad 14 points

long take Children of Men 21 points
romantic gesture Arwen chooses mortal life 24 points
scene that scared you as a kid Tunnel Scene From Willy Wonka 23 points
shocking scene Saw 7 points
dance scene "Time Warp" from Rocky Horror Picture Show 13 points

dream sequence American Beauty 2 points

shootout Scarface 23 points
sports scene Goal 23 points

monologue Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

courtroom scene The Verdict
fight scene Gladiator
gambling scene Deer Hunter Russian Roulette Scene
shooting a movie scene The Girl Next Door- Prom scene

PORTRAYALS
best movie parent Steve Martin in Parenthood 22 points
best performance by a child actor Abigail Breslin in Little Miss Sunshine
best portrayal of a real/historical person Denzel Washington as Malcolm X
dramatic actor in a comedic role Phillip S. Hoffman in Along Came Polly
multiple performances in a movie Ed Norton in Leaves of Grass

 
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BTW, for Tim (and everyone else who cares) - - I have completed my rewatch of all the selected Superheroes Movies and will have my rankings and writeups issued soon. Now that I got warmed up, I'm eager to do some more writing, even if I might not have as much to say as I did here.
:popcorn:

 
Time Kibitzer said:
Dr. Octopus said:
timschochet said:
Dr. Octopus said:
timschochet said:
Dr. Octopus said:
timschochet said:
17 pts- Paul Giamatti in Win Win What a fantastic movie! Thanks to this draft, I was exposed to it. Giamatti is hardly the perfect parent or grandparent. And yet there is that emotional connection which I mentioned was lacking in some of the other selections. Great film.
Am I thinking of a different movie?
Kyle is his grandson in the film, no?
No, he's Burt Young's grandson and no relation to Giamatti's character Mike. Mike kind of adopts Kyle, to benefit him as a wrestling coach.
You're right.

Well, probably I should have penalized this film a little more then. But it really was great though. #### it, it stays where it is.
It is a great movie and Mike is a great character. He's not a great parent at all though - in fact he exploits his role as a court appointed guardian of Burt Young for financial gain (while also violating his role as his attorney to act in his client's best interest) and then only takes in his client's grandson Kyle to benefit him in his side job as high school wrestling coach.

I'm not saying you need to knock the score down - I just found the reasoning odd.

Good job overall - I'm on a mediocrity streak in recent judging which is better than being stuck at the bottom as I was before my recent spate of fortune .
That's what makes the character great, he's quite tremendously flawed, but in the end he ends up going above and beyond doing the right thing, it just takes him a long while to get there.
I agree, he was a great character - I just don't think his role as a "parent" was ever really fleshed out in this movie - even if you accept his role with Kyle as a father/son relationship, it was one based on false pretenses and it took being exposed as a fraud for him to make a change.

Once again, not suggesting it should be docked, but tim's (who did a nice job overall) description of Giammati's role in the film made me think I saw a totally different film.

 
10 pts - The Notebook

Eeyore writes a romance. Or Marvin the Paranoid Android. Not for the depressed. The man reads about their romance to the lady. Alas, since she has Alzheimer's she doesn't remember it, and he has to do it over and over. Sort of like Groundhog Day without the charm. It does involve sacrifice, but there's no way for it to pay off for one of the characters.
The scene that I linked was them dying in bed together. Which they both remembered.

 
10 pts - The Notebook

Eeyore writes a romance. Or Marvin the Paranoid Android. Not for the depressed. The man reads about their romance to the lady. Alas, since she has Alzheimer's she doesn't remember it, and he has to do it over and over. Sort of like Groundhog Day without the charm. It does involve sacrifice, but there's no way for it to pay off for one of the characters.
The scene that I linked was them dying in bed together. Which they both remembered.
When he went into her room that night, she knew exactly who he was. They talked about their love for each other, and he climbed in bed with her, and they held each other, and told each other they loved each other, good night, and he told her that he would be seeing her. They died holding hands in bed. I thought it was a great ending to a thoughtful and romantic love story. He also did not read the story of their romance over and over to her. He moved forward with the story every day, and some days she remembered, and other days she didn't. That was the reality. It was a good movie, and the book was even better.

 
Total Rankings after 13 Categories (This includes the scary scene re-rankings)

Nick Vermiel 229

AcerFC 209

Karma Police 209

timschochet 205

Val Rannous 202

krista4 198

Tremendous Upside 195

BobbyLayne 193

Aerial Assault 184

Mrs. Rannous 182

Time Kibitzer 181

Tiannamen Tank 179

Andy Dufresne 171

Doug B 166

John Madden's Lunchbox 166

jwb 166

Mister CIA 154

tish155 152

Dr. Octopus 141

Joffer 141

rikishiboy 136

higgins 131

hooter311 129

Usual21 122

Kumerica 117

 
25 points – The Brave Little Toaster. All I can say is wow. I hadn’t seen this before doing this ranking, and this is about as messed up as you can get. Animated as cutely as possible to keep you thinking this can’t possibly be this bad, we get fire, animated smoke hands, creepy clown fireman, the toaster being chased by water and forks, and finally, being suspended while plugged in over a tub of water!?!? Wow, how much suicide imagery you wanna jam into 60 seconds?!? This is so disturbing it bothers me NOW, and I’m 48. Totally sick and disturbed, and the list champ.
timschochet said:
23 pts- Lawrence Fishburne in Boys N The Hood Probably the strongest portrayal of a father I have ever seen on screen. An incredibly emotional performance.
25 pts - Wings of Desire

The sacrifices are the same here. Both characters give up an immortal life to be with the ones they love. That's a fairly big deal, and it's done without sappiness (which is apparantly the kiss of death).
I must say - some brilliant judging over the past few days. ;) The rest of the judges can feel free to follow in their genius...

Couple comments/observations from these categories:

As far as Gremlins goes: I was the original judge, but I have to say that it would have scored close to that for me as well. I think I had it around the 8 -10 point range on the very brief gut reaction ranking I did. In hindsight, it wasn't much of a 'kids' movie, but at the time (of course this is filtered through my 10 year old self's memory) I just wanted to see the movie about the cute, cuddly Gizmo guy. I think moreso than Poltergeist, etc. that were in that ballpark of scores Gremlins seemed to be targeted more to the kids which would have vaulted the score a tad for me probably.

Parent: I realize the bleakness of the movie and how hard it is to watch, but I think the dad from The Road would have been higher on my list. Maybe not the most emotional of the group, but sacrificed everything for his son and kept hope going despite everybody around him either giving up or turning evil. I love that character.

Romantic Gesture: Maybe I took the statement that the other character doesn't have to know about the sacrifice for it to score high - that is a question I asked about my pick. The 2 picks that I loved that I thought would score higher were Up and The Notebook.

All in all great work by the judges - I can't believe we are barely over 1/3 the way through the judging.

 
I haven't posted for a bit, but I am slowly working through WTF movies. I really thought I would be done by now, but it is going at a snail's pace. Part of the problem I am having (on top of the movies being ####ed up) is that it seems that some were drafting for "movies you can't explain" and some were drafting more for "WTF" - maybe movies that have a point, but are just weird. Also hard to compare the 20min shorts with the 2 1/2 hour movies.

I think I posted it, but I tweaked my plan a little bit. There will be a max 125 points for the movies. I will rank them based on: 1. How well do I think I could explain this movie to somebody (X2, so 50 to top spot), 2. How weird was the movie/WTF factor (also X2), and 3. How i liked the movie/my willingness to sit through the movie again.

 
I formally request a review of my The Notebook pick as I don't think it was judged on the scene which I selected.
NO MORE REVIEWS!!!

Every time this stuff is reviewed, I gotta go back and add 3 points to one guy, subtract one point from 3 other guys...it's a total pain in the ###! I'm a lazy mother####er and I don't like this crap. Just live with your damn score.

 
I formally request a review of my The Notebook pick as I don't think it was judged on the scene which I selected.
I think you have to have ice in your veins not to have been touched by that scene. I didn't even want to go see the movie, but went with my wife, and I ended up enjoying it. That scene with them dying in bed tugs at your heartstrings. I rarely cry in movies unless an animal dies, but that scene made me tear up.

 
I formally request a review of my The Notebook pick as I don't think it was judged on the scene which I selected.
NO MORE REVIEWS!!!

Every time this stuff is reviewed, I gotta go back and add 3 points to one guy, subtract one point from 3 other guys...it's a total pain in the ###! I'm a lazy mother####er and I don't like this crap. Just live with your damn score.
Okay.
I'm just kidding. If they need to adjust it, fine.

 
I haven't posted for a bit, but I am slowly working through WTF movies. I really thought I would be done by now, but it is going at a snail's pace. Part of the problem I am having (on top of the movies being ####ed up) is that it seems that some were drafting for "movies you can't explain" and some were drafting more for "WTF" - maybe movies that have a point, but are just weird. Also hard to compare the 20min shorts with the 2 1/2 hour movies. I think I posted it, but I tweaked my plan a little bit. There will be a max 125 points for the movies. I will rank them based on: 1. How well do I think I could explain this movie to somebody (X2, so 50 to top spot), 2. How weird was the movie/WTF factor (also X2), and 3. How i liked the movie/my willingness to sit through the movie again.
For the record the category is not "WTF movies" it's "I have no idea what this movie is about." At least that's what it says on page one and how I approached it. I do not envy you.
 
I haven't posted for a bit, but I am slowly working through WTF movies. I really thought I would be done by now, but it is going at a snail's pace. Part of the problem I am having (on top of the movies being ####ed up) is that it seems that some were drafting for "movies you can't explain" and some were drafting more for "WTF" - maybe movies that have a point, but are just weird. Also hard to compare the 20min shorts with the 2 1/2 hour movies. I think I posted it, but I tweaked my plan a little bit. There will be a max 125 points for the movies. I will rank them based on: 1. How well do I think I could explain this movie to somebody (X2, so 50 to top spot), 2. How weird was the movie/WTF factor (also X2), and 3. How i liked the movie/my willingness to sit through the movie again.
For the record the category is not "WTF movies" it's "I have no idea what this movie is about." At least that's what it says on page one and how I approached it. I do not envy you.
I realize that, but it seemed to take this unwritten turn in the middle of the draft - at least that what it looks like when I view the list. I don't think my ranking will effect many movies, as a lot of them are confusing to explain and are messed up. Maybe will bump up a movie or two a couple slots, but we will see.

The main problem that happens sometimes with these is having a judge at the end or in this case the category getting passed around a bit. Nobody was on deck to to police a couple of the picks, or maybe to rule on a minimum length of the selection at the very least. I think what I ended up with will be fair-ish for all, but I guess we will see if I ever get through these damn things.

 
Total Rankings after 13 Categories (This includes the scary scene re-rankings)

Nick Vermiel 229

AcerFC 209

Karma Police 209

timschochet 205

Val Rannous 202

krista4 198

Tremendous Upside 195

BobbyLayne 193

Aerial Assault 184

Mrs. Rannous 182

Time Kibitzer 181

Tiannamen Tank 179

Andy Dufresne 171

Doug B 166

John Madden's Lunchbox 166

jwb 166

Mister CIA 154

tish155 152

Dr. Octopus 141

Joffer 141

rikishiboy 136

higgins 131

hooter311 129

Usual21 122

Kumerica 117
According to my 8 points in Romance and the resulting mathematics—I should have 118.

 
Total Rankings after 13 Categories (This includes the scary scene re-rankings)Nick Vermiel 229AcerFC 209Karma Police 209timschochet 205Val Rannous 202krista4 198Tremendous Upside 195BobbyLayne 193Aerial Assault 184Mrs. Rannous 182Time Kibitzer 181Tiannamen Tank 179Andy Dufresne 171Doug B 166John Madden's Lunchbox 166jwb 166Mister CIA 154tish155 152Dr. Octopus 141Joffer 141rikishiboy 136higgins 131hooter311 129Usual21 122Kumerica 117
According to my 8 points in Romance and the resulting mathematicsI should have 118.
The scary scenes were revised and you lost a point.
 
I formally request a review of my The Notebook pick as I don't think it was judged on the scene which I selected.
Mrs. R ranked this one on her own; I only sent the 19 I'd seen and have not seen this one. Having not seen the movie, I thought her ranking was good. ;)

 
10 pts - The Notebook

Eeyore writes a romance. Or Marvin the Paranoid Android. Not for the depressed. The man reads about their romance to the lady. Alas, since she has Alzheimer's she doesn't remember it, and he has to do it over and over. Sort of like Groundhog Day without the charm. It does involve sacrifice, but there's no way for it to pay off for one of the characters.
The scene that I linked was them dying in bed together. Which they both remembered.
I guess I should have scored it lower then. I somehow doubt they decided to die together unless they took something to help them along. But I'll watch it again.

And I don't see a scene link. It just says he reads to her.

 
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10 pts - The Notebook

Eeyore writes a romance. Or Marvin the Paranoid Android. Not for the depressed. The man reads about their romance to the lady. Alas, since she has Alzheimer's she doesn't remember it, and he has to do it over and over. Sort of like Groundhog Day without the charm. It does involve sacrifice, but there's no way for it to pay off for one of the characters.
The scene that I linked was them dying in bed together. Which they both remembered.
I guess I should have scored it lower then. I somehow doubt they decided to die together unless they took something to help them along. But I'll watch it again.
You're hardcore aren't ya? This is the

. You will probably see it differently, but they did think they could die together. In this scene she ask him if he thinks their love can take them away together, and he tells her he thinks their love can do anything they want it to.
 
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10 pts - The Notebook

Eeyore writes a romance. Or Marvin the Paranoid Android. Not for the depressed. The man reads about their romance to the lady. Alas, since she has Alzheimer's she doesn't remember it, and he has to do it over and over. Sort of like Groundhog Day without the charm. It does involve sacrifice, but there's no way for it to pay off for one of the characters.
The scene that I linked was them dying in bed together. Which they both remembered.
I guess I should have scored it lower then. I somehow doubt they decided to die together unless they took something to help them along. But I'll watch it again.
You're hardcore aren't ya? This is the

That was just awful. It can't possibly be any less syrupy than What Dreams May Come. That seemed less like a romantic gesture and more like deus ex machina. Convenient for the plot but not really voluntary. And it's just not as elegant as In the Mood for Love.

Krista? Any thoughts?

 
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10 pts - The Notebook

Eeyore writes a romance. Or Marvin the Paranoid Android. Not for the depressed. The man reads about their romance to the lady. Alas, since she has Alzheimer's she doesn't remember it, and he has to do it over and over. Sort of like Groundhog Day without the charm. It does involve sacrifice, but there's no way for it to pay off for one of the characters.
The scene that I linked was them dying in bed together. Which they both remembered.
I guess I should have scored it lower then. I somehow doubt they decided to die together unless they took something to help them along. But I'll watch it again.
You're hardcore aren't ya? This is the
Could this be the first ever plea for review that results in less points?
 
Sorry, that's my fault as Andy D sent me the particular scene link when I was judge, and I forgot to forward to Mrs. R. I have to agree with her, though, that it's syrupy and should get a poor score. Sorry. :(

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Well yeah, you could consider it syrupy...if it hadn't actually happened in real life.
So it didn't happen in real life. Two people with serious injuries died in a short period of time. What has that to do with the story here? What does she die of? While Alzheimer's is a terminal illness, she isn't anywhere near that stage. What does he die of? Plot complications? And how does either of them consciously choose to do that? Reading the book seemed romantic because she enjoyed it even if she didn't know she had written it. It involved caring and sacrifice, even if it was a bit twee. But taking a dirt nap coincidentally just isn't all that romantic.

 
So it didn't happen in real life. Two people with serious injuries died in a short period of time. What has that to do with the story here? What does she die of? While Alzheimer's is a terminal illness, she isn't anywhere near that stage. What does he die of? Plot complications? And how does either of them consciously choose to do that? Reading the book seemed romantic because she enjoyed it even if she didn't know she had written it. It involved caring and sacrifice, even if it was a bit twee. But taking a dirt nap coincidentally just isn't all that romantic.
After reading several of your comments regarding The Notebook, I question whether you really watched the movie. You have said several things that are incorrect with the most recent acting like they were both healthy and just died. They were both sick at the end of the movie.

 
16 pts - Pretty in Pink

Duckie meets Andie at the prom and has a shot with her. He gives up his true love so she can be with her love. Very gallant.
Duckie had no shot with her. He wasn't her prom date, but was at the prom waiting for her so she wouldn't be alone. He did love her, but he didn't give her up so she could be with her true love, because she was never his to begin with other than a buddy.

 
So it didn't happen in real life. Two people with serious injuries died in a short period of time. What has that to do with the story here? What does she die of? While Alzheimer's is a terminal illness, she isn't anywhere near that stage. What does he die of? Plot complications? And how does either of them consciously choose to do that? Reading the book seemed romantic because she enjoyed it even if she didn't know she had written it. It involved caring and sacrifice, even if it was a bit twee. But taking a dirt nap coincidentally just isn't all that romantic.
After reading several of your comments regarding The Notebook, I question whether you really watched the movie. You have said several things that are incorrect with the most recent acting like they were both healthy and just died. They were both sick at the end of the movie.
But did they decide to die? It's romantic gesture, not romantic coincidence.

 
So it didn't happen in real life. Two people with serious injuries died in a short period of time. What has that to do with the story here? What does she die of? While Alzheimer's is a terminal illness, she isn't anywhere near that stage. What does he die of? Plot complications? And how does either of them consciously choose to do that? Reading the book seemed romantic because she enjoyed it even if she didn't know she had written it. It involved caring and sacrifice, even if it was a bit twee. But taking a dirt nap coincidentally just isn't all that romantic.
After reading several of your comments regarding The Notebook, I question whether you really watched the movie. You have said several things that are incorrect with the most recent acting like they were both healthy and just died. They were both sick at the end of the movie.
But did they decide to die? It's romantic gesture, not romantic coincidence.
It wasn't a coincidence. You either didn't see the movie, or you are just being obtuse. You aren't exactly known as Mrs. Sensitivity, and it's clear you aren't changing the score so it's futile for the discussion to go any further.

 
Forgot to mention re my movie parent rankings- if someone had selected Shirley Maclaine in Terms of Endearment, that would have gotten a top 5 score.

 
Forgot to mention re my movie parent rankings- if someone had selected Shirley Maclaine in Terms of Endearment, that would have gotten a top 5 score.
She was good as Aurora. For romantic gestures, one of the first things that popped up in my mind, but I'm sure wouldn't have scored well in this draft, is from the movie The Way We Were. At the end of the movie Katie and Hubbell run into each other after some time has gone by. You can tell they still love each other, and she takes her hand and brushes back his bangs just like she always did when they were together. It's simple, but it's a loving thing (romantic gesture) she always did with him (and Redford has some nice hair).

 
Forgot to mention re my movie parent rankings- if someone had selected Shirley Maclaine in Terms of Endearment, that would have gotten a top 5 score.
She was good as Aurora. For romantic gestures, one of the first things that popped up in my mind, but I'm sure wouldn't have scored well in this draft, is from the movie The Way We Were. At the end of the movie Katie and Hubbell run into each other after some time has gone by. You can tell they still love each other, and she takes her hand and brushes back his bangs just like she always did when they were together. It's simple, but it's a loving thing (romantic gesture) she always did with him (and Redford has some nice hair).
Yeah, but it's Barbra Streisand.

 
Forgot to mention re my movie parent rankings- if someone had selected Shirley Maclaine in Terms of Endearment, that would have gotten a top 5 score.
She was good as Aurora. For romantic gestures, one of the first things that popped up in my mind, but I'm sure wouldn't have scored well in this draft, is from the movie The Way We Were. At the end of the movie Katie and Hubbell run into each other after some time has gone by. You can tell they still love each other, and she takes her hand and brushes back his bangs just like she always did when they were together. It's simple, but it's a loving thing (romantic gesture) she always did with him (and Redford has some nice hair).
Yeah, but it's Barbra Streisand.
So?

 
I'm pleased to announce that I have a largely free day. (wild cheering, or was it catcalls)

Oh, why is this relevant, you ask? Right. Because, barring some emergent situation, I will finish writing the Superhero rankings and post them tonight. Remember, I'm on the West Coast *and* a nightperson, so "tonight" is a relative term.

More importantly, nice tag team job by Mrs. R and krista on the Romantic Gestures. Very good rankings and thoughts! :thumbup:

 
Forgot to mention re my movie parent rankings- if someone had selected Shirley Maclaine in Terms of Endearment, that would have gotten a top 5 score.
She was good as Aurora. For romantic gestures, one of the first things that popped up in my mind, but I'm sure wouldn't have scored well in this draft, is from the movie The Way We Were. At the end of the movie Katie and Hubbell run into each other after some time has gone by. You can tell they still love each other, and she takes her hand and brushes back his bangs just like she always did when they were together. It's simple, but it's a loving thing (romantic gesture) she always did with him (and Redford has some nice hair).
Yeah, but it's Barbra Streisand.
So?
So it's Barbra Streisand.

 
There's something really funny about a bunch of guys whining about the Notebook.
You need to be deprogrammed or excorcised after joining forces with the judge from hell. j/k Mrs. R

Maybe my magic wand will work...

Abracadabra Kalamadoor

Spirit take the evil out of Krista4

Cleanse her soul old Uchawow

Make the demons release from Krista4 Now!!



 
There's something really funny about a bunch of guys whining about the Notebook.
You need to be deprogrammed or excorcised after joining forces with the judge from hell. j/k Mrs. RMaybe my magic wand will work...

Abracadabra Kalamadoor

Spirit take the evil out of Krista4

Cleanse her soul old Uchawow

Make the demons release from Krista4 Now!!

There's something really funny about a bunch of guys whining about the Notebook.
I think when someone is judging a movie they should know what actually happened in it.
I agree with that, but it's still funny.
 
Forgot to mention re my movie parent rankings- if someone had selected Shirley Maclaine in Terms of Endearment, that would have gotten a top 5 score.
She was good as Aurora. For romantic gestures, one of the first things that popped up in my mind, but I'm sure wouldn't have scored well in this draft, is from the movie The Way We Were. At the end of the movie Katie and Hubbell run into each other after some time has gone by. You can tell they still love each other, and she takes her hand and brushes back his bangs just like she always did when they were together. It's simple, but it's a loving thing (romantic gesture) she always did with him (and Redford has some nice hair).
Not so. It would have gotten about 17 points, despite the fact that I find the movie to be truly revolting. (I like Streisand, but really don't care for Redford. I also don't like Harlequin Romances.) As you point out, that sort of little gesture can be the best part of a long-term relationship.

 

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