timschochet's thread- Mods, please move this thread to the Politics Subforum, thank you (1 Viewer)

[urbanhack]

I forgot that eminence was banned. But look, the people who run this place don't want guys who make blatant racist comments. I can understand that.

Why is icon still posting then?

ive never read a racist post by icon.

Terrible.

 

[AAABatteries]

A thread just for Tim's okay

Though at first some had said no way

The funnier folks

kept it lively with jokesbefore politics drove us away

I like your humor. But if politics drive you away too bad. That's part of what I'm about. If somebody doesn't like it, now they can simply skip this thread.

Were you a political science or history major? I guess I'm just shallow but I find all the political threads to be just the same crap throwing sessions over and over and over. It's impossible to have any meaningful discussions with all the nutjobs on both sides and I don't have time to dig for the good stuff like you do.

 

[otello]

1. e4 d5

2. exd5 Qxd5
3. Nc3 Qa5
4. d4 Nf6
5. Nf3 Bg4

6. h3 Bh5

7. g4

 

[AAABatteries]

Are you going to do the team chess games again?

 

[otello]

Are you going to do the team chess games again?

If there is interest. It was fun, but I think the other team lost interest. The games move slowly, at times.

 

[jon_mx]

Any yoga pants in this thread?

Feel free to add. Perhaps we can get into discussion of which race has the hottest ###. Paging Em?

 

[Harry Manback]

Bateman accidentally called me FantasticCurse... I like that name better, how do I go about changing my SN?

It's on the same screen where you can change Footballguy Jr. to something else.

Oh you.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Nobody is unwelcome in this thread. There is no clique here.

Get out of our thread.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Hadn't watched that video in a long time, still holds up today.

 

[timschochet]

1. e4 d5

2. exd5 Qxd5

3. Nc3 Qa5

4. d4 Nf6

5. Nf3 Bg4

6. h3 Bh5

7. g4

Bg6

 

[TheIronSheik]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

 

[timschochet]

Good morning.

Last night, a longtime poster sent me a PM with a question in it. The person didn't want to ask the question openly in this thread for fear of being vilified. Here is the question:

Why do Christians take the high horse on terrorism in current day when Christians were willing to slaughter Pagans 1,300 - 900 years ago? The current killings really aren't that different.

In a nutshell, there are, IMO, several reasons for Christians in general to take the "high horse" as this person puts it:

1. The morality of Christianity is very different from the morality of Christianity 900 years ago, or even 500 years ago. The Enlightenment basically changed western thought, and it's ideas were absorbed by Christianity. Among many other things, the typical Christian today would not be able to morally accept the indiscriminate, deliberate slaughter of innocent people.

2. Islam, unfortunately, has far too many people willing to accept this sort of slaughter. Now I still happen to believe that, among Muslims, only a minority actually approve of terrorist activity, and only a very small minority approve of the sort of thing the Taliban did the other day (let's hope.) But even so, these percentages are much higher than any other religion around the world, and that includes Christianity. As Bill Maher correctly points out, we have to get past political correctness and acknowledge that Islam is more tied to terrorism and horrific acts than Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religious belief, and that the difference is significant.

3. In addition to terrorism, the majority of Muslim governed countries around the world have laws that we in the west find shocking and repugnant- laws that mistreat women and gays for example, with extreme punishments.

4. In conclusion, as a western atheist, I have to say that I would far prefer to live today in a Christian run society, such as this one, than in any Muslim society. I believe this is true of most atheists, and Jews I have met, and I would not be surprised to discover that it was also true of most Muslims who live here as well. In short, Christians take the high horse because they have a right to do so, because they ARE, by western standards, morally superior.

Hope that answers.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Last night, a longtime poster sent me a PM with a question in it.

Could turn into some quality shtick here.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

I thought he said he was giving up on it. Turns out it did not become bigger than Google. That was my bad. I might have oversold it too soon. I haven't checked his tweets in a while.

 

[jamny]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

still great

 

[TheIronSheik]

Good morning.

Last night, a longtime poster sent me a PM with a question in it. The person didn't want to ask the question openly in this thread for fear of being vilified. Here is the question:

Why do Christians take the high horse on terrorism in current day when Christians were willing to slaughter Pagans 1,300 - 900 years ago? The current killings really aren't that different.

In a nutshell, there are, IMO, several reasons for Christians in general to take the "high horse" as this person puts it:

1. The morality of Christianity is very different from the morality of Christianity 900 years ago, or even 500 years ago. The Enlightenment basically changed western thought, and it's ideas were absorbed by Christianity. Among many other things, the typical Christian today would not be able to morally accept the indiscriminate, deliberate slaughter of innocent people.

2. Islam, unfortunately, has far too many people willing to accept this sort of slaughter. Now I still happen to believe that, among Muslims, only a minority actually approve of terrorist activity, and only a very small minority approve of the sort of thing the Taliban did the other day (let's hope.) But even so, these percentages are much higher than any other religion around the world, and that includes Christianity. As Bill Maher correctly points out, we have to get past political correctness and acknowledge that Islam is more tied to terrorism and horrific acts than Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religious belief, and that the difference is significant.

3. In addition to terrorism, the majority of Muslim governed countries around the world have laws that we in the west find shocking and repugnant- laws that mistreat women and gays for example, with extreme punishments.

4. In conclusion, as a western atheist, I have to say that I would far prefer to live today in a Christian run society, such as this one, than in any Muslim society. I believe this is true of most atheists, and Jews I have met, and I would not be surprised to discover that it was also true of most Muslims who live here as well. In short, Christians take the high horse because they have a right to do so, because they ARE, by western standards, morally superior.

Hope that answers.

I feel like I should say this: I did not send Tim that PM.

 

[jamny]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

I thought he said he was giving up on it. Turns out it did not become bigger than Google. That was my bad. I might have oversold it too soon. I haven't checked his tweets in a while.

Just checked:

Link

eta: Happy Friday

 

[TheIronSheik]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

I thought he said he was giving up on it. Turns out it did not become bigger than Google. That was my bad. I might have oversold it too soon. I haven't checked his tweets in a while.

Just checked:

Link

eta: Happy Friday

HFS

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

I thought he said he was giving up on it. Turns out it did not become bigger than Google. That was my bad. I might have oversold it too soon. I haven't checked his tweets in a while.

Just checked:

Link

eta: Happy Friday

I don't get the hate for this guy. He is too funny.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Black Guy In A Room analogy is GOLD!!!

 

[jon_mx]

Needs its own thread...Em's videos are the best thing that ever happened here.

 

[timschochet]

Interesting article by Paul Krugman this morning about Russia's woes. Can't paste it here, but you can find it at Real Clear Politics.

Russia has been unable to diversify their exports: they sell oil and natural gas and that is basically the lodestone of their entire economy. So when oil goes down, Russia is always going to be hurt just as they were in the 80s.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Good morning.

Last night, a longtime poster sent me a PM with a question in it. The person didn't want to ask the question openly in this thread for fear of being vilified. Here is the question:

Why do Christians take the high horse on terrorism in current day when Christians were willing to slaughter Pagans 1,300 - 900 years ago? The current killings really aren't that different.

In a nutshell, there are, IMO, several reasons for Christians in general to take the "high horse" as this person puts it:

1. The morality of Christianity is very different from the morality of Christianity 900 years ago, or even 500 years ago. The Enlightenment basically changed western thought, and it's ideas were absorbed by Christianity. Among many other things, the typical Christian today would not be able to morally accept the indiscriminate, deliberate slaughter of innocent people.

2. Islam, unfortunately, has far too many people willing to accept this sort of slaughter. Now I still happen to believe that, among Muslims, only a minority actually approve of terrorist activity, and only a very small minority approve of the sort of thing the Taliban did the other day (let's hope.) But even so, these percentages are much higher than any other religion around the world, and that includes Christianity. As Bill Maher correctly points out, we have to get past political correctness and acknowledge that Islam is more tied to terrorism and horrific acts than Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religious belief, and that the difference is significant.

3. In addition to terrorism, the majority of Muslim governed countries around the world have laws that we in the west find shocking and repugnant- laws that mistreat women and gays for example, with extreme punishments.

4. In conclusion, as a western atheist, I have to say that I would far prefer to live today in a Christian run society, such as this one, than in any Muslim society. I believe this is true of most atheists, and Jews I have met, and I would not be surprised to discover that it was also true of most Muslims who live here as well. In short, Christians take the high horse because they have a right to do so, because they ARE, by western standards, morally superior.

Hope that answers.

The superior morality came from the Enlightenment, secularism, etc. Essentially, it developed out of human thought and reason, it most definitely did NOT come from religion. Today's morality is therefore far superior to the morality of the Bronze age, which is what you get when you read the Bible, Quran, etc. As you mention, Christianity, and more specifically Western society, has been able to adopt the evolving moral code whereas, in many cases, Islam and many countries in the Middle East, have not.

In sum, human reason, GOOD, religion, BAD.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Needs its own thread...Em's videos are the best thing that ever happened here.

Don't they usually get HARD DELETED though? It's almost like you need to be there at the right time. His videos are like Black Friday Doorbuster Deals.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Hi Em!

 

[Gawain]

Needs its own thread...Em's videos are the best thing that ever happened here.

Don't they usually get HARD DELETED though? It's almost like you need to be there at the right time. His videos are like Black Friday Doorbuster Deals.

Small children are trampled in the rush to hear Em wax poetic on topics such as "Girls, how to get them," and "Chicago Bears iniquities of the late 20th century."

 

[timschochet]

Cowboys, you read what I wrote, you basically agree with it, but then at the end you once again link all religion together as bad. This conclusion makes no sense. The average Christian who goes to church on Sunday and listens to sermons has NO connection to terrorism or mistreatment of women or gays within the Muslim world. If you're unable to distinguish between these religions to see that one is more problematic than the others then you're ignoring reality.

 

[jon_mx]

People will be bad with or without religion. Religion makes most people better. But unfortunately there are those who twist Religion in ways to rationalize more evil behavior. Just blindly casting all religion as the root of evil is just wrong and very simple-minded trash.

 

[bostonfred]

Can we get a Tim response video?

 

[timschochet]

People will be bad with or without religion. Religion makes most people better. But unfortunately there are those who twist Religion in ways to rationalize more evil behavior. Just blindly casting all religion as the root of evil is just wrong and very simple-minded trash.

jon, your statement "religion makes most people better" is highly debatable. Are you asserting that this is true throughout all human history?

 

[timschochet]

Can we get a Tim response video?

No videos from me. I haven't been banned.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

I thought he said he was giving up on it. Turns out it did not become bigger than Google. That was my bad. I might have oversold it too soon. I haven't checked his tweets in a while.

Just checked:

Link

eta: Happy Friday

I don't get the hate for this guy. He is too funny.

Kind of dorky though

 

[bostonfred]

I will pay 20 bucks for a YouTube debate between tim and eminence consisting of three youtube videos each. But it has to start today.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Christians are better than Muslims? Wow. This went in a different direction than I had anticipated.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Cowboys, you read what I wrote, you basically agree with it, but then at the end you once again link all religion together as bad. This conclusion makes no sense. The average Christian who goes to church on Sunday and listens to sermons has NO connection to terrorism or mistreatment of women or gays within the Muslim world. If you're unable to distinguish between these religions to see that one is more problematic than the others then you're ignoring reality.

I think that when religion is used as a conduit to teach morality to the masses, that's fine (though I don't agree with the pretext and think it's silly). Listening to a sermon on Sunday about treating your neighbor like yourself is obviously a good thing. But, where did this concept of treating your neighbor like yourself come from? I would argue it is a human invention, as I believe all of religion is man-made, not the word of some god. However, when religion is used as the entire basis of morality, that's a bad thing, as it puts us back millennia. I certainly agree with you that Christianity has been able to adapt and change over time to incorporate the evolution of morality, whereas Islam has been significantly less successful. There's a reason why all of those Sunday sermons are based on passages from the New Testament...

 

[Henry Ford]

Will someone save that video? I can't watch it now and desperately want to. I have a feeling it may disappear.

 

[jon_mx]

People will be bad with or without religion. Religion makes most people better. But unfortunately there are those who twist Religion in ways to rationalize more evil behavior. Just blindly casting all religion as the root of evil is just wrong and very simple-minded trash.

jon, your statement "religion makes most people better" is highly debatable. Are you asserting that this is true throughout all human history?

It is not really that debatable. It is not true when religion is used by governments or groups for wars or terrorism or even to force their beliefs on others. But in most cases, people reflect upon their religion to do the right thing, whereas in the absence of religion they just might not care.

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not sure why, but this thread reminds me of this classic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0o2P_JLnQ

Should be pinned really or at least put in the FFA FAQ.

Craziest part of that video is when Hitler talks about someone getting seed money to start their own FF message board. It's like it predicted Eminence.

How is that coming anyways? Is Em still tweeting?

I thought he said he was giving up on it. Turns out it did not become bigger than Google. That was my bad. I might have oversold it too soon. I haven't checked his tweets in a while.

Just checked:

Link

eta: Happy Friday

I don't get the hate for this guy. He is too funny.

Kind of dorky though

well there is that.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Christians are better than Muslims? Wow. This went in a different direction than I had anticipated.

I'm talking more about the doctrine, teachings, ideology. Not individuals.

 

[msommer]

People will be bad with or without religion. Religion makes most people better. But unfortunately there are those who twist Religion in ways to rationalize more evil behavior. Just blindly casting all religion as the root of evil is just wrong and very simple-minded trash.

jon, your statement "religion makes most people better" is highly debatable. Are you asserting that this is true throughout all human history?

It is not really that debatable. It is not true when religion is used by governments or groups for wars or terrorism or even to force their beliefs on others. But in most cases, people reflect upon their religion to do the right thing, whereas in the absence of religion they just might not care.

All religious people care about doing the right thing? I seem to remember Eichmann being a catholic. But wait, he was just following orders...

 

[Scoresman]

Cowboys, you read what I wrote, you basically agree with it, but then at the end you once again link all religion together as bad. This conclusion makes no sense. The average Christian who goes to church on Sunday and listens to sermons has NO connection to terrorism or mistreatment of women or gays within the Muslim world. If you're unable to distinguish between these religions to see that one is more problematic than the others then you're ignoring reality.

I think that when religion is used as a conduit to teach morality to the masses, that's fine (though I don't agree with the pretext and think it's silly). Listening to a sermon on Sunday about treating your neighbor like yourself is obviously a good thing. But, where did this concept of treating your neighbor like yourself come from? I would argue it is a human invention, as I believe all of religion is man-made, not the word of some god. However, when religion is used as the entire basis of morality, that's a bad thing, as it puts us back millennia. I certainly agree with you that Christianity has been able to adapt and change over time to incorporate the evolution of morality, whereas Islam has been significantly less successful. There's a reason why all of those Sunday sermons are based on passages from the New Testament...

The problem is you'll see religion say "treating your neighbor like yourself" or "love one another" or whatever, and then you'll turn around and see stuff like the mormons spending millions to take away the rights of homosexuals. The hypocrisy there is mind blowing.

 

[jon_mx]

People will be bad with or without religion. Religion makes most people better. But unfortunately there are those who twist Religion in ways to rationalize more evil behavior. Just blindly casting all religion as the root of evil is just wrong and very simple-minded trash.

jon, your statement "religion makes most people better" is highly debatable. Are you asserting that this is true throughout all human history?

It is not really that debatable. It is not true when religion is used by governments or groups for wars or terrorism or even to force their beliefs on others. But in most cases, people reflect upon their religion to do the right thing, whereas in the absence of religion they just might not care.

All religious people care about doing the right thing? I seem to remember Eichmann being a catholic. But wait, he was just following orders...

Where did I come close to saying anything near that? Not even close.

 

[bostonfred]

Christians are better than Muslims? Wow. This went in a different direction than I had anticipated.

great. I think we've got a topic for discussion in the Tim vs em debate. We've got an expert in Tim's opinion (Tim) and an expert in the posting and defense of controversial opinions at footballguys (eminence). Can't think of two better people to debate this issue, or of anyone more interested in debating someone online (Tim), or anyone else for whom ten bucks would be life changing money (eminence).

 

[CowboysFromHell]

But in most cases, people reflect upon their religion to do the right thing, whereas in the absence of religion they just might not care use their intellect and respect for their fellow human beings to do the right thing, instead of doing it out of fear of punishment from a man in the clouds.

Fixed.

 

[jon_mx]

But in most cases, people reflect upon their religion to do the right thing, whereas in the absence of religion they just might not care use their intellect and respect for their fellow human beings to do the right thing, instead of doing it out of fear of punishment from a man in the clouds.

Fixed.

You really trust the intellect and respect of people? I think your utopia society is resting on awful shaky ground.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Christians are better than Muslims? Wow. This went in a different direction than I had anticipated.

great. I think we've got a topic for discussion in the Tim vs em debate. We've got an expert in Tim's opinion (Tim) and an expert in the posting and defense of controversial opinions at footballguys (eminence). Can't think of two better people to debate this issue, or of anyone more interested in debating someone online (Tim), or anyone else for whom ten bucks would be life changing money (eminence).

Only problem is I think they both agree with each other on this subject.

 

[timschochet]

Jon you seem to be suggesting that people in general are too stupid to figure out morality on their own, and therefore need someone (religion) to tell them how to live. This may very well be true, but it's not exactly a positive argument for religious beliefs.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Jon you seem to be suggesting that people in general are too stupid to figure out morality on their own, and therefore need someone (religion) to tell them how to live. This may very well be true, but it's not exactly a positive argument for religious beliefs.

I don't think that's what he said at all.