PatsWillWin
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All those "this is just insurance to back up the immortal Billy Volek" posters 'fess up.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Signing a free agent QB off the street to play two weeks before the season makes no sense.
Reaper
Footballguy
WOW - One way or another Tennesee Messed up.....
Volek was Hot property and could have been traded for something decent... We probably don't know the facts but, it sounded like the Jets were interested over Ramsey and other teams as well... Now this?????
Guy had some real good NFL games under his belt, he could have been rewarded like Lamont Jordan was after only showing glimpses of success.
Weird.
Volek was Hot property and could have been traded for something decent... We probably don't know the facts but, it sounded like the Jets were interested over Ramsey and other teams as well... Now this?????
Guy had some real good NFL games under his belt, he could have been rewarded like Lamont Jordan was after only showing glimpses of success.
Weird.
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ben4titans
Footballguy
I thought this was an insurance move. Looks like the Titans are ready to pay their deductable though and fix the dent in their QB position. I was wrong. I'm with the quote above though, the timing and signing makes no sense.All those "this is just insurance to back up the immortal Billy Volek" posters 'fess up.
amnesiac
beer is good
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Insoxicated
ORLYSo he's worthless as my QB3 in a 16 team league? Who'da thunkit
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Same for me. QB3 in a 16 team league.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Says the guy with MATT CASSEL as his QB2. I'll start listening to your offers now.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Now only if they would go and sign Jeff George...oh wait, that has been done by another team.
watch testaverde get signed this week
DWidmar
Footballguy
I see alot of dislike for Collins on this board. Granted he has played pretty poorly from a NFL standard. His win loss record is poor (at least in Oakland) He looked terrible at times. But...... He was the #7 fantasy QB in our league last year. Now I know some scoring systems are different but I am willing to bet he was right around the top 10 in most leagues last year. What is embarassing about that?He might not be a great QB (win / loss record or with completion %) but he could potentially put up some good fantasy numbers as the Titans defense looks pretty bad and they should be playing from behind most of the season and he could put up some solid fantasy #'s. I know this is not the popular sentiment on this board regarding Collins but it is my
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I see alot of dislike for Collins on this board. Granted he has played pretty poorly from a NFL standard. His win loss record is poor (at least in Oakland) He looked terrible at times. But...... He was the #7 fantasy QB in our league last year. Now I know some scoring systems are different but I am willing to bet he was right around the top 10 in most leagues last year. What is embarassing about that?He might not be a great QB (win / loss record or with completion %) but he could potentially put up some good fantasy numbers as the Titans defense looks pretty bad and they should be playing from behind most of the season and he could put up some solid fantasy #'s. I know this is not the popular sentiment on this board regarding Collins but it is my
perry147
Footballguy
Passing on Matt Leinart and drafting VY make no sense either in retrospect - especially when your own coaching staff tells you he is he better player.Let's not underestimate the stupidity of the Titans ownership.
CA_7
Footballguy
And if nothing else screws the guy who drafted Volek and Rivers as his startersSame for me. QB3 in a 16 team league.
he led two teams to the Supe that probably "shouldn't have been there". He's a better leader than anyone on this board gives him credit for. Titans team doesn't seem so great to me for 06 but Fisher is a very underrated coach. He can get something out of the D, Collins has sure handed Givens, Bennett, and all 3 rooks from last year to throw to besides some excellent TEs. I hate RBBC but do think that with their 3 they could be real hard to stop in the 4th Q if they used them all. None is exceptional(yet) but they're pretty deep and they should use that IMO.ahhh wait a sec, Panthers lose Supe or NFCC? too early for meI see alot of dislike for Collins on this board. Granted he has played pretty poorly from a NFL standard. His win loss record is poor (at least in Oakland) He looked terrible at times. But...... He was the #7 fantasy QB in our league last year. Now I know some scoring systems are different but I am willing to bet he was right around the top 10 in most leagues last year. What is embarassing about that?He might not be a great QB (win / loss record or with completion %) but he could potentially put up some good fantasy numbers as the Titans defense looks pretty bad and they should be playing from behind most of the season and he could put up some solid fantasy #'s. I know this is not the popular sentiment on this board regarding Collins but it is my
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Hey, if you have a crystal ball, you're supposed to share it with the rest of the FBGs. In addition to letting us know that passing on Leinart as a mistake, anything else coming out of the magic crystal ball? How many carries is Reggie Bush going to get this year? Anything inside the red zone?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
He was the 9th best QB in fanatasy points in my league last year. Yeah, that's embarassing.
ETA: Found the stats from my other league..#6! I can live with that embarassment!!!
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Aposulli = 
they have scouts and personnel guys to take care of this. Coaches are supposed to be last minute decision makers WITH the GM. In theory, coaches are less involved in the draft than people think.
redman
Footballguy
Key consideration.
Collins is great to have as a backup. He's put up good fantasy stats, has no particular competition for his job (if indeed he is the starter) especially early in the season, and that team figures to be playing from behind a lot and therefore passing.
Still, this season is looking pretty bleak for the Titans, especially when you consider that they also have injury and talent problems on both lines.
yes he didIIRC He didn't much care for the GM and they didn't get along. See my post above. That's counterproductive on draft day and pretty naive of both. They simply must get along on draft day. The coach(Bill) knows what he wants on the field, the GM has the benefit of hours and hours and hours of scouting reports and discussions with their couting dept etc. They gotta work together.Fisher is a gem of a coach IMO but Reese is pretty darn good too. Their salary cap guy may need to get "smacked" as the "cap hell" of recent years seemed to force a rebuild but I think we're talking about some quality football minds here. I don't doubt Fisher and Reese decide together on draft day, very much unlike Parcells with the Pats.
perry147
Footballguy
I agree the Fisher is a great coach but think he is gone after this year unless they improve which looked like they are not going to do this year because of poor drafting. (Note: all of these may not be Reese's fault but the titans have not been known for there quality drafts.) The first 3 rounds of picks the last 5 years.20051 6 Adam Jones CB West Virginia2 41 Michael Roos T Eastern Washington3 68 Courtney Roby WR Indiana3 96 Brandon Jones WR Oklahoma20042 40 Ben Troupe TE Florida2 42 Travis LaBoy DE Hawaii2 57 Antwan Odom DE Alabama3 71 Randy Starks DT Maryland3 92 Rich Gardner CB Penn State20031 28 Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma2 60 Tyrone Calico WR Middle Tennessee3 93 Chris Brown RB Colorado20021 15 Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee2 45 Tank Williams SS Stanford3 77 Rocky Calmus MLB Oklahoma20012 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
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sholditch
Footballguy
Anyone else hearing the Volek trade rumors on NFL radio? Pat Kirwan and the other guy were just talking about him being likely to go to the Browns. They also seemed to think that if he didn't get traded he might get cut.
I agree with everyone that he definitely should have been dealt after 04, but that is hindsight 20/20. I'm sure that the Titans were hoping to see development in 05 that they just didn't see, leading to drafting a qb with the 3 and now that their draft pick isn't really working out either, this.
I agree with everyone that he definitely should have been dealt after 04, but that is hindsight 20/20. I'm sure that the Titans were hoping to see development in 05 that they just didn't see, leading to drafting a qb with the 3 and now that their draft pick isn't really working out either, this.
redman
Footballguy
The problem with theorizing that the drafts are Fisher's doing even in part is that you have to completely ignore this year's situation in order to conclude that. Consider this: the Titans have had about the worst two year stretch ever under Fisher's leadership as coach, and this year isn't looking too promising. They had a choice of Matt Leinart, a protege of Chow's who seemed (and still seems) about as ready to step into the starting role straight out of college as any QB who's been drafted in the last 5 years or so, or Vince Young, who may or may not turn out to be great (or even good) but who certainly needs a lot of development in order to give him a good shot at succeeding at the NFL level. Oh, and they sent their long-established starting QB packing. Why would a coach like Fisher opt for a guy who may need years of seasoning to start over a rookie QB who, while of course a rookie, might show enough on the field this year to generate support for Fisher's (and Chow's) continued development of him? Then, after drafting Young and losing McNair, why would a coach in Fisher's shoes hesitate even an instant, much less to the end of training camp, in signing a QB like Collins who has been available without any real competition from other teams for over a month? These decisions smack of a person thinking (however wisely or not) more long term for the organization than short term in defense of his job, and that's a characteristic of a GM's and not a coach's personnel decisions. I think that if indeed Fisher's job is in jeopardy after this season, these decisions all but amount to a pink slip for him.
Titans2003
Footballguy
Collins was solid last year from a fantasy standpoint, but wasn't he on the bench by the time the fantasy playoffs rolled around?
I can't wait for the marquee week one matchup of Pennington/Collins.
"With the first pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans select. . ."
I can't wait for the marquee week one matchup of Pennington/Collins.
"With the first pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans select. . ."
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I see a lot of talent but poor development.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
This thread needs more of these guys: 
DWidmar
Footballguy
So how poorly will he perform? What are embarassing #'s to you. You are in a 16 team dynasty league and you think he will perform so poorly he is not worth a roster spot. Does that mean he is at best a qb#33 assuming your league everyone has at least two qb's. Tell us what embarassing #s are to you.
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
way to change the subject.Collins is nothing more than a bye-week QB at this point. Collins could do well in certain match-ups. And he'll straight up stink in other match-ups. I had Collins on my team last year and yea, he laid some eggs but he still was the #9 QB in terms of fantasy points. I could have done a lot worse.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Collins finished #6 in my dynasty's overall rankings last year. Needless to say he's my qb1 this year while I wait on Leinart to start in a 16 teamer. Im happy to have him at such late notice. I almost didnt have a starting QB.
I understand he should be owned in such a league.embarassing numbers are 10 games played... for the rest of his career. Which is what I'd say is the over/under.
I DRAFTED Collins in my league last year. But last year is last year.He had some great games (HOW CAN YOU NOT WITH RANDY MOSS?)But just look at how he tanked at the end of 2006. This guy might be capable of the occasional big game, but in the system he's in now, with the weapons he's got, I would be ecstatic to see someone starting Kerry Collins against me any week of this season.
DWidmar
Footballguy
I dont know that games played constitutes how poor a qb is or not. But... based on what I have read on this site, some people think Vince young is two to three years away from starting and then they bring in Collins in what looks like a move to start him over Volek and now they might be looking to trade Volek. This could signal that they want Collins to start for two to three years. I will not wager on games started as injuries could play into that more so than performance but he could start for a couple of years.
massraider
Footballguy
If I had to choose between Jeff George as my 4th QB, or Collins as my 1st, I take George.
And I'm a Raiders fan, I know of what I speak.
This move has a stench of desperation about it, it amazes me that Volek could have looked that bad this summer.
And I'm a Raiders fan, I know of what I speak.
This move has a stench of desperation about it, it amazes me that Volek could have looked that bad this summer.
Did I miss something here? What happened?
It seemed apparent that Volek would be a decent QB to run the team while Young learns the offense. Bringing in Collins for insurance isn't a bad idea either. But what I don't understand is why the Titans started talking about shopping Volek and giving his reps away and now he wants a trade, etc.
It has the feel of bad, bad communication within that organization.
It seemed apparent that Volek would be a decent QB to run the team while Young learns the offense. Bringing in Collins for insurance isn't a bad idea either. But what I don't understand is why the Titans started talking about shopping Volek and giving his reps away and now he wants a trade, etc.
It has the feel of bad, bad communication within that organization.
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
Ok, I see that you're still miffed about how bad he did at the end of the year. It all makes sense now!aposulli said:
No, I just think it's funny that people think he can play like he did last year (with Randy Moss) with teh current WRs and offense he's in now.I was actually trying to prove that I don't just have a grudge against Collins.I think Aaron Brooks is a piece of garbage too, but I drafted him in a couple leagues!
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Tau837
Footballguy
Without looking it up, I think any QB who starts 16 games is a lock for top 25 and likely to be in the top 20 in total points.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Obviously they've seen enough of Volek and have decided he sucks, and they aren't comfortable having him start for them, they can dump his salary while he still has even a whisp of value and avoid a clubhouse nuisance. No big deal there.
They bring in Collins to be a punching bag for a year or two at a cut rate salary, maybe having him mentoring Young on the evils of alcohol addiction as well. Also no big deal.
Neither Travis Henry or Chris Brown are going to be in the long term plans for the Titans, so it makes sense to deal one if you can get anything for them, use the other one either to back up White or take the pressure off him initially to let him develop.
This team wasn't going anywhere this year, and it's probably not going anywhere next year, they don't have the players (or at least have some major player development to do) right now plain and simple.
The moves being made are indicative that management understands their situation very well and they're working for the long haul here. I don't think this necessitates dumping Fisher when they do indeed suck this season. Fisher may want to leave of his own accord if he's not on board with the rebuilding process, but I figue he would have made a bit more noise about being hamstrung at this point if he wasn't.
And another thing - I was under the impression that Chow didn't want Leinart (he didn't even think he was the best starter at USC), hence Fisher didn't want him either. I'm seeing some revisionist history here implying the contrary. Has someone changed their story?
Much ado about nothing in my book. To me it looks like the Titans are making classic, solid rebuilding moves. Yeah it'll be painful for a while, and not all the moves will work out, but the Titans don't have a boatload of other options, so to me it looks like it's for the best.
They bring in Collins to be a punching bag for a year or two at a cut rate salary, maybe having him mentoring Young on the evils of alcohol addiction as well. Also no big deal.
Neither Travis Henry or Chris Brown are going to be in the long term plans for the Titans, so it makes sense to deal one if you can get anything for them, use the other one either to back up White or take the pressure off him initially to let him develop.
This team wasn't going anywhere this year, and it's probably not going anywhere next year, they don't have the players (or at least have some major player development to do) right now plain and simple.
The moves being made are indicative that management understands their situation very well and they're working for the long haul here. I don't think this necessitates dumping Fisher when they do indeed suck this season. Fisher may want to leave of his own accord if he's not on board with the rebuilding process, but I figue he would have made a bit more noise about being hamstrung at this point if he wasn't.
And another thing - I was under the impression that Chow didn't want Leinart (he didn't even think he was the best starter at USC), hence Fisher didn't want him either. I'm seeing some revisionist history here implying the contrary. Has someone changed their story?
Much ado about nothing in my book. To me it looks like the Titans are making classic, solid rebuilding moves. Yeah it'll be painful for a while, and not all the moves will work out, but the Titans don't have a boatload of other options, so to me it looks like it's for the best.
BigRed
Footballguy
Well I'd much rather go with the FBG popular sentiment than you and your facts n stuff.DWidmar said:I see alot of dislike for Collins on this board. Granted he has played pretty poorly from a NFL standard. His win loss record is poor (at least in Oakland) He looked terrible at times. But...... He was the #7 fantasy QB in our league last year. Now I know some scoring systems are different but I am willing to bet he was right around the top 10 in most leagues last year. What is embarassing about that?He might not be a great QB (win / loss record or with completion %) but he could potentially put up some good fantasy numbers as the Titans defense looks pretty bad and they should be playing from behind most of the season and he could put up some solid fantasy #'s. I know this is not the popular sentiment on this board regarding Collins but it is myaposulli said:
Jake n' Beans
Footballguy
Yeah, Ouch....That would be me! Volek and Rivers...Here's my team, feel free to comment on it. This is my 1st time posting so take it a little easy on the new guy hereCA_7 said:And if nothing else screws the guy who drafted Volek and Rivers as his startersJetsWillWin said:Same for me. QB3 in a 16 team league.
12 Team League - 16 Rounds (I had the 11th pick):QB'sVolekRiversRB'sWillie ParkerReggie BushFrank GoreTravis HenryMewelde MooreWR'sKeyshawnD. MasonMatt JonesMichael ClaytonTerry GlennGreg JenningsTEJermain WigginsKFeelyDefTampa BayFirst McNair gets treated like garbage and now Collins purportedly is the starter literally days before the season opens.
I looked at Volek's numbers for the first 3 preseason games. Not bad. Not great, but he's completing passes and not throwing picks (or TDs). It's preseason for crying out loud. Givens has been hurt, the run game hasn't done anything and now they are blaming Volek?
Isn't this the same guy who was touted as one of the best back up QBs in the league who filled in very nicely for McNair when he was out?
I didn't draft the guy, I just can't believe there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Is Tennessee's management just this bad?
Is Volek a head case or bad attitude?
I looked at Volek's numbers for the first 3 preseason games. Not bad. Not great, but he's completing passes and not throwing picks (or TDs). It's preseason for crying out loud. Givens has been hurt, the run game hasn't done anything and now they are blaming Volek?
Isn't this the same guy who was touted as one of the best back up QBs in the league who filled in very nicely for McNair when he was out?
I didn't draft the guy, I just can't believe there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Is Tennessee's management just this bad?
Is Volek a head case or bad attitude?
It would be the coaches making the decision about who will start, not the management.As you said, Volek is viewed as a very good backup. Collins is viewed, at least by Tennessee, as a starter. I don't think either one is very good.
Not being critical of your comment here. I understand. But Collins did SO much to help Oakland out last year.
I can certainly see why they are dying to have Collins.Plus, Volek was back up b/c he was behind a franchise QB. I don't recall him ever disproving he had the ability to lead a team for at least a single season. I am just amazed.
