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Brady behind schedule in recovery from surgery

Pats must consider keeping Cassel because star QB's knee won't be whole

By Tom E. Curran

NBCSports.com

updated 2 hours, 47 minutes ago

When the New England Patriots' 2008 season ends, quarterback Matt Cassel will be set to become a free agent.

But before Cassel hits the free-agent market, the Patriots will look long and hard at the medical reports of star quarterback Tom Brady. And, according to a league source, those reports will give New England pause.

Brady, who had the ACL and MCL in his left knee ripped in the first quarter of the season’s first game, is well behind schedule in coming back from the surgery performed in early October, the source said.

The problem began with the infection that set in soon after the Oct. 6 surgery performed by Los Angeles-based doctor Neil ElAttrache.

After the infection was detected, Brady went through six weeks of antibiotics and surgical irrigation of the infected area. The infection finally cleared but as it currently stands, both the ACL and MCL remain “loose,” the league source said. Meanwhile, scar tissue that built up in the knee as Brady’s body battled the infection is still present and might need to be surgically removed.

Additionally, because of the scar tissue, Brady’s knee doesn’t have close to full mobility, the league source said. That means the process of regaining strength in his quadriceps — the most important muscle to build up after a knee injury — hasn’t begun in earnest.

Even if Brady gets the scar tissue removed, regains greater mobility in the knee and is able to get the strength back in his quad, the looseness in the ligaments won’t go away without a second surgery, the source said. At this point, deciding to have that second surgery would cost him the 2009 season because a second surgery wouldn’t be recommended this soon after the first, especially with the current condition of the area.

If he doesn’t have a second surgery, he’ll almost certainly have to wear a brace on the knee when he returns and the area will be susceptible to another blowout, the source said.

If that occurs, what then for the Patriots?

That’s where Cassel’s situation becomes interesting. After three full seasons working as a backup to Brady, Cassel has played brilliantly this season, especially relative to the expectations of how much he could deliver.

He’s thrown for 3,615 yards, 21 touchdowns, 11 picks and completed more than 63 percent of his passes. And the Patriots, entering Sunday, are 10-5 with a chance to win the AFC East. This after spending his entire college career at USC without starting a single game.

On the free agent market, the 26-year-old Cassel would certainly be as appetizing an option as any quarterback coming out in April’s draft. By way of financial comparison, Matt Ryan, the third overall pick last April, got a six-year, $72 million deal from the Falcons, which included more than $34 million in guaranteed money.

But if the condition of Brady — the NFL’s MVP in 2007, a three-time Super Bowl winner and a two-time Super Bowl MVP — is still tenuous, the Patriots might use the franchise tag on Cassel. That would mean Cassel would be paid the average of the top five quarterback salaries in the league. That probably would come in around $12 million. Slide show

Brady’s 2009 salary is $5 million and he’s also due a $3 million roster bonus. Relative to the league’s other successful quarterbacks, he’s a bargain. But if the Patriots opt to franchise Cassel as insurance, that means the team will have close to $20 million in salary to be paid out to their two quarterbacks. Additionally, $6.6 million of Brady’s pro-rated signing bonus will count against their 2009 cap. That would mean the Patriots would be spending close to $26 million of the projected $123 million salary cap on these two quarterbacks.

That’s a lot of coin. And even though the Patriots are one of the league’s most highly-valued franchises ($1.3 billion according to Forbes.com’s team valuations in early September), it will certainly cause them to think long and hard about whether they want to let Matt Cassel walk as a free agent or keep him around a litt le bit longer. Just in case.

 
It's going to be very interesting to see what the Pats do this offseason. Pay out the nose to keep Cassel? Consider trading Brady? Would've thought the last scenario would be a "no way" situation but you never know.

 
Any word on what they think about O'Connell? He'll be cheaper and I think he probably is a more physically gifted qb than Cassell although I think Cassell has done a better job on hitting the 15 yard out and deep passes than earlier in the year. I still think Cassell will be fool's gold to someone else next year.

 
Can't see them franchising Cassel personally unless they planned on later trading him. 26 million is insane to tie up in the QB position. Not on a team with as many defensive holes as they have.

 
Tom Terrific should have come on down to see my buddy Dr Jim Andrews :yes:
it wasn't the doctor, it's brady's body. i had surgery the day before brady at the same place, kerlan jobe. acl replacement, both meniscus torn . kerlan jobe is on par with andrews. my new ligament is very solid, doc couldn't be more pleased with it. the 'looseness' is due to the infection, & subsequent flushing, not the ability of the doctor.what i can tell you is that this quad rehab is a mother ####### son of a #####. :sadbanana: i am NO WHERE near back to anything resembling normal & don't really expect to be for another 3-4 months. & my normal involves a lot of drinking & sitting on my couch. little different than brady's life. at least he's gonna get married. :(
 
If I was Brady, and had to miss '09, I'd just hang 'em up. One more surgery, get it so I can walk again, and retire with Giselle to some mansion somewhere and make babies full time. Got enough money, got enough fame, and still able to walk away from the game before it ruined the quality of life afterward.

 
I did some research and listening today to see what else came out on this, and it seems like there are football sources and medical sources on this one. The Patriots are absolutely not talking about this or giving out any information. IMO, that's partly because they don't know the full situation and what it may or may not mean.

I have followed Tom Curran's reporting over the years with the Providence Journal and more recently on NCB.com (in addition to regular tv appearances on local sports talk). He's generally very reputable.

That being said, no one else to this point has any sources sharing the same information that Curran somehow got, so there is some thought that the article he wrote has a lot of speculation in it and extrapolation of things that could happen. The status of Brady's knee has been a closely guarded secret, so other media folks are curious where he is getting his intel.

As I said, he may be getting some medical input somehow (which should be harder to get as sharing patient info is a no no).

I heard talk of this all day today and the pats should know by the time they have to franchise Cassel (around 3/1/09) what the outlook for Brady might be. Sounds like he will either need the surgery or he won't, and if he needs the surgery than the chances of him playing in 2009 drop to slim and not very likely.

So this is either a recycled story from several months ago (ie Brady could need more surgery) or he uncovered something more substantial (ie Brady likely NEEDS more surgery).

Belichick basically did a total ole job when asked about it (something like I'm not a doctor and we'll monitor and evaluate Brady's progress along the way). He deflected that talk to the team's great run this year, blah blah blah.

It doesn't sound like Brady has begun much rehab wise, so at some point soon they will have to start considering if there are major issues that need surgical correction or if he's just taking a long time to heal.

 
I did some research and listening today to see what else came out on this, and it seems like there are football sources and medical sources on this one. The Patriots are absolutely not talking about this or giving out any information. IMO, that's partly because they don't know the full situation and what it may or may not mean.I have followed Tom Curran's reporting over the years with the Providence Journal and more recently on NCB.com (in addition to regular tv appearances on local sports talk). He's generally very reputable.That being said, no one else to this point has any sources sharing the same information that Curran somehow got, so there is some thought that the article he wrote has a lot of speculation in it and extrapolation of things that could happen. The status of Brady's knee has been a closely guarded secret, so other media folks are curious where he is getting his intel.As I said, he may be getting some medical input somehow (which should be harder to get as sharing patient info is a no no).I heard talk of this all day today and the pats should know by the time they have to franchise Cassel (around 3/1/09) what the outlook for Brady might be. Sounds like he will either need the surgery or he won't, and if he needs the surgery than the chances of him playing in 2009 drop to slim and not very likely.So this is either a recycled story from several months ago (ie Brady could need more surgery) or he uncovered something more substantial (ie Brady likely NEEDS more surgery).Belichick basically did a total ole job when asked about it (something like I'm not a doctor and we'll monitor and evaluate Brady's progress along the way). He deflected that talk to the team's great run this year, blah blah blah.It doesn't sound like Brady has begun much rehab wise, so at some point soon they will have to start considering if there are major issues that need surgical correction or if he's just taking a long time to heal.
I agree the fact that it's Tom Curran gives this article more validity than if it were a few other writers who are known to make things up (hello John Tomase). He's top of the line and isn't one to simply throw out nonsense.I have heard some rumblings locally that Brady's situation was dicey but since I hadn't heard squat in the media I was somewhat skeptical (i.e. if I'm hearing it why wouldn't the media who covers the team 24/7 not know as well). With this report the plot definetly thickens.This should make for an interesting offseason. I'm of the belief that Cassel will get franchised either way but if there is doubt about Brady's health that makes this situation far more complicated. If that's the case than it's not just about getting something for Cassel or keeping him from signing with a rival like the Jets. Cassel has proven that he can win under center with the Patriots and you can tell his teammates are now comfortable with him. Obviously the best case scenario is a healthy Brady but if that doesn't come to fruition than Cassel is a very solid plan B. I just don't see the Pats going into 2009 with Kevin O'Connell as their starter but at the same time having both Cassel and Brady on the payroll for the whole year would limit what else they can do this offseason.
 
The other Cassel option that seems to have gotten lost is the pats signing to a "regular" contract (vs a franchise tender). Cassel seems to want to stay in NE (although I'm sure his agent would kill him). Crazier things have happened.

 
The other Cassel option that seems to have gotten lost is the pats signing to a "regular" contract (vs a franchise tender). Cassel seems to want to stay in NE (although I'm sure his agent would kill him). Crazier things have happened.
This is where legit info differs from pure homer speculation/wishing.
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:)This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :thumbup:
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:lol:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :thumbdown:
You really need to re-read what was written.He didn't say Brady being out this year was good for football.Not even close.
 
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Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:thumbdown:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.
I didn't say Brady being out was good for football. Learn to read.
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:PThis season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :sarcasm:
I'll enjoy the BAL/MIA game and do you want to know why?Because it's NFL PLAYOFF FOOTBALL!Since you don't want to watch it I'm sure that there are some chick flicks on Lifetime for you to enjoy..Or perhaps you and the other ladies can have your Red Hat Club meeting next Sunday
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:P This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :sarcasm:
Who flippin' cares if he goes out with a supermodel? How does that have anything to do with the product on the field?
 
The thing that bugs me about this report is he either needs surgery or he doesn't. It's pretty cut N dry-there's no "maybe" here.

Pats could want Brady to play with a brace. Brady could be thinking "I'm not going thru that again". ...could be anything really but, he either does or doesn't need surgery.

Also, I don't see why he can't get it done now and play in September 9 months later. I'm googling "ACL and MCL surgery recovery time" and see "regular folks" saying 6 month to a year recovery time. They're not millionaires with the best doctors in the world and the best trainers running their physical therapy.

 
Patriots hater here, but I agree that Brady is missed in-season. He's the greatest QB I'll ever see in my lifetime and did things no one else really did, so count me among those who would rather see the legends for as long as I possibly could even if it means the Pats go 16-0 again.

The people who got to watch Gale Sayers and Jim Brown and Barry Sanders all wish they/we could've had just a few more years of greatness. It'd be a shame if Brady had seven of the greatest years of all-time but then had to hang em up.

 
Brady is cooked..missing two years with a degenerative knee doesn't bode well..

as for Cassel, does he really want to babysit the position for Brady until 2010?! Does he want to put in all the hard work of this season and next,only to have the job given back to Brady? No way..I wouldn't want any part of that if I'm Cassel.

NE is a team in transition, they need to completely revamp that defense, they're simply too old and too slow...Pioli is said to be a free agent and will be elsewhere in 2009...

If I'm Cassel, I'd leave town on the next flight and never look back..they won't franchise him, can't afford to put $14 mil in his pockets with all the other money they have tied into Brady..

and Cassel can make MORE than that $14 mil on the open market ( Detroit, Jets, Vikings, Chiefs, etc)

and he'd never have to look over his shoulder wondering when Brady is coming back .

 
and Cassel can make MORE than that $14 mil on the open market ( Detroit, Jets, Vikings, Chiefs, etc)and he'd never have to look over his shoulder wondering when Brady is coming back .
I gotta say that if I were an NFL player I wouldn't go to Detroit, no matter what. 31 other teams pay great salaries if it's less, so be it.
 
Brady is cooked..missing two years with a degenerative knee doesn't bode well..as for Cassel, does he really want to babysit the position for Brady until 2010?! Does he want to put in all the hard work of this season and next,only to have the job given back to Brady? No way..I wouldn't want any part of that if I'm Cassel. NE is a team in transition, they need to completely revamp that defense, they're simply too old and too slow...Pioli is said to be a free agent and will be elsewhere in 2009...If I'm Cassel, I'd leave town on the next flight and never look back..they won't franchise him, can't afford to put $14 mil in his pockets with all the other money they have tied into Brady..and Cassel can make MORE than that $14 mil on the open market ( Detroit, Jets, Vikings, Chiefs, etc)and he'd never have to look over his shoulder wondering when Brady is coming back .
I agree with this. Cassel may not see this kind of opportunity again, financially speaking. He played well in a pass oriented system and his stock is probably is as high as it will go. I hope he recognizes his opportunity and goes for the big contract with another team. That said, I think it would be a mistake for any of these others teams to throw huge sums of money at Matt Cassel. He'd be a good fit in Detroit, where expectations would be high but if he underachieved it wouldn't reflect as much on him since they are used to losing there.
 
Now that I think about it, much of this could be deductive reasoning and reporting. Brady, as we all know, is hounded by the media and papparazzi, as we constantly see him getting followed by a cavalcade of cameramen.

We also know the typical recovery cycle for folks post surgery, both in terms of their medical appointments and their physical therapy and rehab schedules. While the Patriots aren't talking about Brady, those following him around could very easily be tracking where he's been going.

If Brady is spending a lot of time going to his surgeons and specialists and no time going to workout or team functions, that might not fit with the recovery timeline that others would have gone through.

Translated into English, if people know that it takes X amount of time for a player to ramp up post surgery from a certain point and Brady is not doing anything past that point, he could very well be having more issues than are getting reported. I have not seen anything to indicate that Brady is doing any physical rehabbing of his knee yet (I suppose he could be but we haven't seen it yet) and he had his injury in Sept and surgery in Oct.

If you remember some of the other players that had press conference, put together videotapes, conducted workouts for teams, etc. those folks were always showing themselves doing things . . . working out, running, cutting, etc. And most of those players were deemed not fully healthy yet or limited. We haven't seen Brady doing much of anything yet.

Pats will have 2 months to evaluate and assess this situation, and if we don't see Brady even trying to do anything by then I suspect they will have to keep Cassel.

 
Brady was a noname QB that grew to greatness under BB. This season the Patriots take a nobody named Matt Cassell and he has a great year. I don't see any reason why O'Connell or some other QB couldn't thrive in New England as well.

If reports on Brady are true then I could see the Pats offering Cassell a nice contract offer to stay but I really doubt they'll slap the franchise tag on him.

 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:excited:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :rolleyes:
If the Pats' VERY overrated coach could have beaten just one good team this year, they'd be playing next week. Why would anyone want to watch a team that wasn't good enough to get into the playoffs, over two teams that were?That is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:rolleyes:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.
I didn't say Brady being out was good for football. Learn to read.
On the topic of illiteracy, you replied to my post to say that this season had been great without Brady. But I never said that this season was terrible because Brady was out. I said it would be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career. You (and others) seem to have extrapolated that to mean that I was saying the season would be terrible without him, but that's not what I said at all.
 
Brady was a noname QB that grew to greatness under BB. This season the Patriots take a nobody named Matt Cassell and he has a great year. I don't see any reason why O'Connell or some other QB couldn't thrive in New England as well.
:rolleyes: If Welker and Moss are still with the Pats, O'Connell would be just fine.I think that, in ten years, we won't think there was much difference between Cassel and O'Connell. And that's not because O'Connell's going to turn out to be some stud.
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:lol:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :thumbdown:
If the Pats' VERY overrated coach could have beaten just one good team this year, they'd be playing next week. Why would anyone want to watch a team that wasn't good enough to get into the playoffs, over two teams that were?That is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.
That's not being objective. Do you think the Ravens are disappointed to play Miami instead of New England? Do you think anyone would prefer to play New England over Miami right now? I've got Baltimore winning by 18+, and would have New England beating Baltimore by 5 if they were still in it. I doubt the concensus is much different than that, imo.
 
Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:lol:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
Have fun watching Baltimore / Miami next week. Should be riveting television... :thumbdown:
If the Pats' VERY overrated coach could have beaten just one good team this year, they'd be playing next week. Why would anyone want to watch a team that wasn't good enough to get into the playoffs, over two teams that were?That is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.
That's not being objective. Do you think the Ravens are disappointed to play Miami instead of New England? Do you think anyone would prefer to play New England over Miami right now? I've got Baltimore winning by 18+, and would have New England beating Baltimore by 5 if they were still in it. I doubt the concensus is much different than that, imo.
:lmao: 23 point swing! Never give up. :lol:You do realize that New England hasn't beaten a good non-divisional team all year, right? 0-3 against Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Indy. Your homerism is affecting your reality.
 
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Like him or not, it'd be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career.
:thumbdown:This season has been great, despite Brady being out for almost all of it. The league is much better and bigger than any one player.
What a crock of BS. How can anyone say that the loss of Tom Brady has been good for football? The guy had the most dominating season for a QB in history. He goes out with a Supermodel for crying out loud. Basically the poster boy for the NFL... The modern day Joe Namath. If you don't like him, fine. But don't deny that his loss isn't a loss for the NFL as well.
I didn't say Brady being out was good for football. Learn to read.
On the topic of illiteracy, you replied to my post to say that this season had been great without Brady. But I never said that this season was terrible because Brady was out. I said it would be a shame for football fans to miss out on multiple years of Tom Brady's career. You (and others) seem to have extrapolated that to mean that I was saying the season would be terrible without him, but that's not what I said at all.
Frankly, I'd rather see someone like Matt Cassel get the chance to suceed than a healthy Tom Brady.
 

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