Top notch effort by the Great Mike Vick (1 Viewer)

[lod01]

I mean that was absolutely the greatest performance ever by this super elite QB. Totally speechless. MVP!!!!!!!!!!!! as voted by the opposing team.Now for reality:He is one massive pile of garbage as a QB. I'm counting up all his 300 yard passing games right now. Um....1. Lets take a look at that completion %....an astronomical 53%. Wow, he is worth every penny.He is not even close to average. That would mean he is better than 1/2 of the QB's in the league. Atlanta needs to put this clown where he belongs...at RB. As a QB his value is zero. The smart move for Atlanta is take offers and try and rip off some franchise that has a hammerhead GM. I really love the bounce passes, amazing touch. This bum will be out of the league via injury or total suckiness within 3 years.

 

[joffer]

6 months older than Eli Manning

 

[gman8343]

This bum will be out of the league via injury or total suckiness within 3 years.

Injury - maybe"total suckiness?" - don't think soThis was basically his 2nd year starting and he brought his team to tne NFC Championship game.

 

[jwvdcw]

theres a 5 page thread about this at THE TOP OF THE FIRST PAGE. Is this one really necessary? I think I should just start copying and pasting what I post in each one because its the same argument over and over again....Bottom line: The Falcons suck without Vick and they are a playoff team with him. Give him a few years and they'll be a super bowl team. What more do you want from him? A QBs job is to win, right?

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

This is ridiculous. This kind of BS would have had McNabb off the Eagles a few years ago - it's the NFC championship game against the best team in their conference. Vick lost. You know, McNabb's combined passer rating over the last three NFC Championship games was in the 50s. 1 TD, 5 INTs. Now he's in the Superbowl.Vick took his team to the NFC Championship game in what is, essentially, his 2nd year starting (due to injury.) If you're a Falcon fan, you should be thanking whatever higher power you believe in that the Chargers traded that pick to you.If you're not a Falcon fan, well then I can understand why you're hoping Atlanta gets rid of Vick.

 

[packersfan]

This is ridiculous. This kind of BS would have had McNabb off the Eagles a few years ago - it's the NFC championship game against the best team in their conference. Vick lost. You know, McNabb's combined passer rating over the last three NFC Championship games was in the 50s. 1 TD, 5 INTs. Now he's in the Superbowl.

The significant difference, however, is that while McNabb showed he could make plays with his feet, he also had proven in those seasons that he could make big plays with his arm as well -- and he did so with arguably a receiver corps worse than what Vick had to work with this season. The problem with Vick is that today's game isn't the exception. It's what you come to expect in terms of his ability (or, to be more precise, inability) to throw the football. If you can take away his ability to run -- which the Eagles did today -- the Falcons have no chance because Vick hasn't proven he can throw the football effectively. I've said it before but the most troublesome thing about Vick this season is he showed no signs of improvement as a passer in my opinion. He made the same mistakes today he was making in Week 1, Week 4, Week 8, Week 10 etc. I'm not saying he'll never become a good quarterback. He may very well do that. But I think the guy is seriously over-rated and he showed why today.

 

[jwvdcw]

If you can take away his ability to run -- which the Eagles did today -- the Falcons have no chance because Vick hasn't proven he can throw the football effectively.

Well, in Vick's 2nd year only 4 teams could do this(by that I mean that 4 teams got further in the playoffs than them).In his 4th year(and 2nd year of playing), only 2 teams did this.So who cares if he ever learns how to pass? If he keeps up the winning, then does it really matter?

 

[packersfan]

If you can take away his ability to run -- which the Eagles did today -- the Falcons have no chance because Vick hasn't proven he can throw the football effectively.

Well, in Vick's 2nd year only 4 teams could do this(by that I mean that 4 teams got further in the playoffs than them).In his 4th year(and 2nd year of playing), only 2 teams did this.So who cares if he ever learns how to pass? If he keeps up the winning, then does it really matter?

Absolutely because the older Vick gets it is logical to assume that his running will decrease. That's an obvious correlation to expect. What's more, since he's not a big guy the more he runs the greater the likelihood that he will suffer more injuries (and it's important to note he's yet to play a full season since becoming the starter so durability is already a major issue with Vick). Also, when you get into the playoffs you tend to play better teams and better teams have better coaches who can expose your weaknesses as the Eagles did with Vick today and what the Eagles did to Vick two seasons ago in the playoffs (hmmmm could this be the NFC's version of Manning vs. the Patriots?). So if Vick doesn't adjust and doesn't improve as a passer, his chances of pushing the Falcons further and possibly winning the Super Bowl will be in peril. Once again, I'm not saying Vick can't improve. By all accounts he's a smart guy and he has a good work ethic so I would not be the least bit surprised if we saw a better passer next season. However, the fact he did not appear to improve at all this season and the fact his passing numbers rank alongside such "great quarterbacks" like Joey Harrington and Kyle Boller leads me to think a lot of folks keep putting the cart in front of the horse when it comes to providing a true analysis of how good Michael Vick is at this point in time in his career.

 

[azgroover]

Vick may leave alot to be desired as a passer, but he looks like Steve Young compared to Harrington & Boller and everyone seems to be counting on them to get better.

 

[packersfan]

Vick may leave alot to be desired as a passer, but he looks like Steve Young compared to Harrington & Boller and everyone seems to be counting on them to get better.

I think both of those guys stink to be honest. And the rumors coming out of Detroit are that Mooch is growing tired of Harrington. I've yet to figure out what it is about Boller that Billick likes. The guy's terrible.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Vick may leave alot to be desired as a passer, but he looks like Steve Young compared to Harrington & Boller and everyone seems to be counting on them to get better.

Agreed. I love all the 2nd and 3rd chances those two QBs get, but with Vick it's just he sucks, end of story right? Everyone talks about how good Harrington woul dbe with better WRs or a good running game or if Boller wasn't missing Heap but the fact that the best WR for the Falcons is Brian Finneran seems lost on everyone. He's an inconsistent QB because he's had an inconsistent team. 3rd different coach, different WRs each year and now finally he's expected to learn the most complicated offense in football and suddenly expect to be good. Steve Young says the WCO takes 3 years to learn and 5 years to master. Looks like we won't be having this conversation again for another two years.Hopefully the Falcons can find him a legitimate #1 WR in the meantime.

 

[azgroover]

Vick may leave alot to be desired as a passer, but he looks like Steve Young compared to Harrington & Boller and everyone seems to be counting on them to get better.

I think both of those guys stink to be honest. And the rumors coming out of Detroit are that Mooch is growing tired of Harrington. I've yet to figure out what it is about Boller that Billick likes. The guy's terrible.

I agree. My whole schtick is how bad Harrington is, but no matter how much you speak truths on Harrington, there always seems to be a crowd that will defend him with claims such as his supporting cast sucks, his OL sucks, he has a hangnail. I don't see Vick getting the same treatment and he has improved much more and has gotten results in basically the same amount of time as a starter, whereas Harrington & Boller are taking baby steps.

 

[Duke1948]

really love the bounce passes, amazing touch.

i seem to remember another young QB that did that quiet abit..... one mcnabb. he is a winner! give him time.

 

[jwvdcw]

If you can take away his ability to run -- which the Eagles did today -- the Falcons have no chance because Vick hasn't proven he can throw the football effectively.

Well, in Vick's 2nd year only 4 teams could do this(by that I mean that 4 teams got further in the playoffs than them).In his 4th year(and 2nd year of playing), only 2 teams did this.So who cares if he ever learns how to pass? If he keeps up the winning, then does it really matter?

Absolutely because the older Vick gets it is logical to assume that his running will decrease. That's an obvious correlation to expect. What's more, since he's not a big guy the more he runs the greater the likelihood that he will suffer more injuries (and it's important to note he's yet to play a full season since becoming the starter so durability is already a major issue with Vick). Also, when you get into the playoffs you tend to play better teams and better teams have better coaches who can expose your weaknesses as the Eagles did with Vick today and what the Eagles did to Vick two seasons ago in the playoffs (hmmmm could this be the NFC's version of Manning vs. the Patriots?). So if Vick doesn't adjust and doesn't improve as a passer, his chances of pushing the Falcons further and possibly winning the Super Bowl will be in peril. Once again, I'm not saying Vick can't improve. By all accounts he's a smart guy and he has a good work ethic so I would not be the least bit surprised if we saw a better passer next season. However, the fact he did not appear to improve at all this season and the fact his passing numbers rank alongside such "great quarterbacks" like Joey Harrington and Kyle Boller leads me to think a lot of folks keep putting the cart in front of the horse when it comes to providing a true analysis of how good Michael Vick is at this point in time in his career.

I can agree with almost all you said there. Vick does need to improve a bit. But I still maintain that Vick can still win a super bowl without throwing for 200+ yards per game.

 

[Shlon]

In his first season as starter, he won a wild card game & lost in divisional playoffs.In his second season as starter, he won divisional game & lost in NFC Championship game. He lead them to the playoffs twice to a franchise with a long history of losing, find something/someone else to complain about.

 

[10993]

Agreed. I love all the 2nd and 3rd chances those two QBs get, but with Vick it's just he sucks, end of story right? Everyone talks about how good Harrington woul dbe with better WRs or a good running game or if Boller wasn't missing Heap but the fact that the best WR for the Falcons is Brian Finneran seems lost on everyone. He's an inconsistent QB because he's had an inconsistent team. 3rd different coach, different WRs each year and now finally he's expected to learn the most complicated offense in football and suddenly expect to be good. Steve Young says the WCO takes 3 years to learn and 5 years to master. Looks like we won't be having this conversation again for another two years.Hopefully the Falcons can find him a legitimate #1 WR in the meantime.

 

[KevT]

But I still maintain that the Falcons can still win a super bowl without throwing for 200+ yards per game.

Fixed. It's a team game, something you still fail to realize. The Falcons got to the NFC championship because of their defensive line, special teams, offensive line, and because their QB is fast. Vick's role was nothing more than Dilfer's role with the Ravens, who probably still wish they had Dilfer.edit: added in special teams.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I don't quite see why all the dissing of Vick, except that he was a #1 choice. Of all positions on the football team, QB is the one which requires the most maturing. Look at Brett Favre's first couple of years, look at Steve Young's first couple of years, heck, look at Drew Brees' first couple of years.Vick may or may not develop into a great QB, but it is still early in his carrer.

 

[Jason Wood]

If you can take away his ability to run -- which the Eagles did today -- the Falcons have no chance because Vick hasn't proven he can throw the football effectively.

Well, in Vick's 2nd year only 4 teams could do this(by that I mean that 4 teams got further in the playoffs than them).In his 4th year(and 2nd year of playing), only 2 teams did this.So who cares if he ever learns how to pass? If he keeps up the winning, then does it really matter?

Hey jw,As I was driving home from the LINC I was giving Vick a lot of thought. I think you make a point (re: most teams can't stop Vick) HOWEVER, I think you fail to see the bigger picture. In order for Vick to be a championship QB, he HAS to find a way to beat those few teams which in fact DO have the blueprint to stop him at this point.Honestly, watching Vick play today proved what I've thought (but haven't been certain of) for some time -- Vick can't win against elite defense. Our defense maintained our containment all game, and he was completely helpless. We put Kearse on the right side b/c Vick prefers running to his left, and Vick was out of sorts.Ultimately what Falcons fans need to hope for is that Vick learns to be a decent passer. Unfortunately he's a LONG way away and if people really think it's his wide receivers, they're kidding themselves.I think Vick can be a playoff caliber QB as currently constituted, and he could certainly pull off the upset and beat a good defense in a given game...HOWEVER, to get to and win a SB he's going to have to beat two or three elite defenses, and he just doesn't have what it takes to get that done, nor do I think he's a sure bet to ever get to that level of competency.

 

[phrozen]

Vick does need to improve a bit.

that's sig material right there. I'm surprised the world didn't end after you admitted Vick needs to improve. And it is more than a bit it is a whole lot.And you keep referring to the team wins with Vick. True but the under-rated defense and special teams have contributed a lot to those wins. You can't attribute the success of the Falcons solely on Vick as you constantly do.

 

[Shlon]

Vick & the Falcons organization is in a similar position like Mcnabb & Eagles were after their first NFC Championship loss against the Rams. Mcnabb eventually improved passingwise & I think Vick can eventually do the same. Falcons should make it a priority to get him a playmaker WR to even further his development.

 

[Jason Wood]

Vick & the Falcons organization is in a similar position like Mcnabb & Eagles were after their first NFC Championship loss against the Rams. Mcnabb eventually improved passingwise & I think Vick can eventually do the same. Falcons should make it a priority to get him a playmaker WR to even further his development.

Hey Schlon,I'm sure you realize that McNabb and Vick were coming from unbelievably different levels to begin with though, right? Vick was a sub 50% passer in college who rarely if ever had to throw out of a pro set. McNabb was a 4 year starter in college who played in a pro style passing offense.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Vick & the Falcons organization is in a similar position like Mcnabb & Eagles were after their first NFC Championship loss against the Rams. Mcnabb eventually improved passingwise & I think Vick can eventually do the same. Falcons should make it a priority to get him a playmaker WR to even further his development.

Hey Schlon,I'm sure you realize that McNabb and Vick were coming from unbelievably different levels to begin with though, right? Vick was a sub 50% passer in college who rarely if ever had to throw out of a pro set. McNabb was a 4 year starter in college who played in a pro style passing offense.

Which is further evidence of how much more of a weapon Vick is than McNabb was at this point.It took McNabb 4 NFC title games and roughly 6 full seasons as the starter to become the type of player who can win the big games against dominant defenses. No one in their right mind thinks Vick won't reach the Super Bowl in the next 3 years if the Vikings were to deal Moss to Atl. (the equivilant of TO going to Philly)To write off or take something away from Vick b/c he wasn't able to beat Philly in Philly today is surprising coming from a Philly fan who undoubtedly had to hear the same type of comments about McNabb the last few years.....

 

[tommyGunZ]

He is not even close to average.

Mods, please ban this user. Obviously he/she shouldn't be behind a keyboard.

 

[pinequick]

Vick may leave alot to be desired as a passer, but he looks like Steve Young compared to Harrington & Boller and everyone seems to be counting on them to get better.

Agreed. I love all the 2nd and 3rd chances those two QBs get, but with Vick it's just he sucks, end of story right?

I think a lot of the anti-Vick sentiment stems from all the hype surrounding him. You don't hear anybody saying that Boller or Harrington are going to "redefine the quarterback position" or calling them "the ultimate weapon".Vick is young and he is green. He will improve. But to listen to some of the folks out there (esp. the hype-machine at ESPN), he is football's Michael Jordan--or the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ, I can't be sure.He is an amazing athlete, but he's not a very good QUARTERBACK right now. For those that say that Vick "just wins games"--there is a difference between WINNING games, and NOT LOSING games. With Dunn & Duckett being stuffed by Philly, today would have been an excellent opportunity for Vick to go out and win the game for Atlanta. He was woefully unable to do so.Trent Dilfer was able to NOT LOSE games for the Ravens championship team. I would argue that, for the most part, Vick played that role for the Falcons this year.

 

[joffer]

He is an amazing athlete, but he's not a very good QUARTERBACK right now. For those that say that Vick "just wins games"--there is a difference between WINNING games, and NOT LOSING games.

and there's a difference between being a good passer and being a good QB.

 

[pinequick]

He is an amazing athlete, but he's not a very good QUARTERBACK right now. For those that say that Vick "just wins games"--there is a difference between WINNING games, and NOT LOSING games.

and there's a difference between being a good passer and being a good QB.

I guess I would buy part of that, but that's also kind of like saying, "there's a difference between being a good tackler and being a good middle linebacker." Maybe, but a huge part of your job at the MLB position is making the sure tackle. Just like a huge part of your job at the QB position is distributing the ball through the air effectively.I return to the main point: "With Dunn & Duckett being stuffed by Philly, today would have been an excellent opportunity for Vick to go out and win the game for Atlanta. He was woefully unable to do so."Performances like today's, combined with the popular pro-Vick hype machine = comments like the one that started this thread.

 

[tommyGunZ]

With Dunn & Duckett being stuffed by Philly, today would have been an excellent opportunity for Vick to go out and win the game for Atlanta. He was woefully unable to do so.

He lost to a better team on the road today, that's all.Those of you bashing Vick are as bad as the guys overhyping Vick, just on the other end of the spectrum.

 

[pinequick]

With Dunn & Duckett being stuffed by Philly, today would have been an excellent opportunity for Vick to go out and win the game for Atlanta. He was woefully unable to do so.

He lost to a better team on the road today, that's all.Those of you bashing Vick are as bad as the guys overhyping Vick, just on the other end of the spectrum.

Oh come ON!! Talk about reactionary?!?!?I invite you to quote the portion of my post that is "bashing" Vick??Somebody's got a scorching case of man-love. . .

 

[jwvdcw]

But I still maintain that the Falcons can still win a super bowl without throwing for 200+ yards per game.

Fixed. It's a team game, something you still fail to realize. The Falcons got to the NFC championship because of their defensive line, special teams, offensive line, and because their QB is fast. Vick's role was nothing more than Dilfer's role with the Ravens, who probably still wish they had Dilfer.edit: added in special teams.

Thats complete nonsense and ALL OF THE FALCONS PLAYERS AND ANY NFL PLAYER WILL TELL YOU THAT THE FALCONS ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TEAM WITH VICK. I think that the Falcons would be about 5-11 without Vick this year, which is actually a nice improvement from their 2-10 last year.

 

[jwvdcw]

If you can take away his ability to run -- which the Eagles did today -- the Falcons have no chance because Vick hasn't proven he can throw the football effectively.

Well, in Vick's 2nd year only 4 teams could do this(by that I mean that 4 teams got further in the playoffs than them).In his 4th year(and 2nd year of playing), only 2 teams did this.So who cares if he ever learns how to pass? If he keeps up the winning, then does it really matter?

Hey jw,As I was driving home from the LINC I was giving Vick a lot of thought. I think you make a point (re: most teams can't stop Vick) HOWEVER, I think you fail to see the bigger picture. In order for Vick to be a championship QB, he HAS to find a way to beat those few teams which in fact DO have the blueprint to stop him at this point.Honestly, watching Vick play today proved what I've thought (but haven't been certain of) for some time -- Vick can't win against elite defense. Our defense maintained our containment all game, and he was completely helpless. We put Kearse on the right side b/c Vick prefers running to his left, and Vick was out of sorts.Ultimately what Falcons fans need to hope for is that Vick learns to be a decent passer. Unfortunately he's a LONG way away and if people really think it's his wide receivers, they're kidding themselves.I think Vick can be a playoff caliber QB as currently constituted, and he could certainly pull off the upset and beat a good defense in a given game...HOWEVER, to get to and win a SB he's going to have to beat two or three elite defenses, and he just doesn't have what it takes to get that done, nor do I think he's a sure bet to ever get to that level of competency.

Fair points, and I agree that he must get better. But I don't understand why people don't think he will get better when in fact, he has shown a ton of improvment in that each year hes taken his team farther into the playoffs. Obviously he will improve a little as a passer, and he doesn't need to be a great passer since his running already makes him an elite QB.

 

[jwvdcw]

Vick does need to improve a bit.

that's sig material right there. I'm surprised the world didn't end after you admitted Vick needs to improve. And it is more than a bit it is a whole lot.And you keep referring to the team wins with Vick. True but the under-rated defense and special teams have contributed a lot to those wins. You can't attribute the success of the Falcons solely on Vick as you constantly do.

Of course he needs to improve. Hes only in his second year starting!!! And he will improve! That same defense and special teams were terrible last year without Vick...he changes the entire game.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Vick is a great young football player. What more do you people want? In pure potential, he's Barry Sanders with a Brett Favre arm. He's Steve Young without the concussions. Ok so he's not there yet. He needs to be more polished and yes he doesn't have it all figured out yet. Just give him some more time.Honestly, forget about fantasy football for just minute. How many current QB's would you choose to build your franchise around instead of Vick? I can only think of a handful: P.Manning, Brady, McNabb, Culpepper, ???. That's about it. The rest of the league is filled with guys past their prime, mediocre retreads, and young unproven players that haven't won anything yet. The bottom line is that there are are very few top shelf QB's. They are an extremely rare commodity, yet for some reason people are complaining about Vick. Vick is one of the Top 5 QB's in the league in both overall talent and marketability. Only a complete moron would complain about having this guy as the leader of their NFL franchise. It's the same crowd from last year that was all over McNabb calling him the worst QB ever. And now he's in the Superbowl. Tools...

 

[SproutDaddy]

This is ridiculous. This kind of BS would have had McNabb off the Eagles a few years ago - it's the NFC championship game against the best team in their conference. Vick lost. You know, McNabb's combined passer rating over the last three NFC Championship games was in the 50s. 1 TD, 5 INTs. Now he's in the Superbowl.Vick took his team to the NFC Championship game in what is, essentially, his 2nd year starting (due to injury.) If you're a Falcon fan, you should be thanking whatever higher power you believe in that the Chargers traded that pick to you.If you're not a Falcon fan, well then I can understand why you're hoping Atlanta gets rid of Vick.

 

[Harald]

Vick is not about passing. He has Dunn, Duckett and himself making Atlanta thre three-headed running monster. A good D that gives them nice field position is what this running team is all about. Obviously it can't be too bad since it took them to the conference championship game.

 

[Hunterbeer]

Vick & the Falcons organization is in a similar position like Mcnabb & Eagles were after their first NFC Championship loss against the Rams. Mcnabb eventually improved passingwise & I think Vick can eventually do the same. Falcons should make it a priority to get him a playmaker WR to even further his development.

Hey Schlon,I'm sure you realize that McNabb and Vick were coming from unbelievably different levels to begin with though, right? Vick was a sub 50% passer in college who rarely if ever had to throw out of a pro set. McNabb was a 4 year starter in college who played in a pro style passing offense.

Really?!?!?!Michael Vick's Freshman year he completed 59.2% of his passes (90-152). He had the second highest passing efficiency rating (180.37) in the history of the NCAA. [His YPA 12.1 and YPCompletion 20.4 weren't bad either]

In his So. season, he completed 54% of his passes (87-161).

So I do not know how you can call him "a sub 50% passer in college. . ."

I think one of the biggest stats is just how young Vick is. He is barely older than Eli Manning. Vick, 24, is younger than all of the other young guns not named Big Ben in the NFL.

McNabb, Culpepper (in two weeks), and Pennington are 28.

Brady and Bulger are 27.

Harrington and Brees are 26.

Carr, Leftwich, and Ramsey are 25.

So Vick is younger than all of these players and saw less playing time in college than any of them. I believe this gives a Vick a HUGE margin for improvement, one that elite athletes take advantage of. Vick's game is being refined every week. We hear from all-time greats such as Steve Young that the WCO takes a couple of years to get used to. Vick will only be 26 and entering his athletic Prime then. That is a scary thought.

 

[Native]

Its really too bad that the league chose to overhype him, as he now suffers from the inevitable backlash that comes with being a "star". He just led the Falcons deep into the playoffs for the second time in two full seasons. He deserves nothing but praise at this point in his career.

 

[packersfan]

Vick is not about passing.

And that is why he had no chance to beat the Eagles yesterday, why he lost to the Eagles in 2002 and why the Falcons will not be playing in Jacksonville in two weeks. Until Vick does become "about passing," he's not going to get the Falcons where they hope to go because when the games really matter and he faces quality defenses he will be exposed as the one-dimensional threat that he is. And as exciting as that one dimension is, it simply isn't enough. It's really that simple.

 

[Slum Lord]

This was basically his 2nd year starting and he brought his team to tne NFC Championship game.

Ben Rothlesburger was in his first year and he got to the championship game. Jake Delhomme started one year and got to the super bowl. I dont think Vick getting this far means he's destined to do it again, or hes some great QB. Vick is the most overrated QB in the league. He's one dimensional - all running, no passing. Make Vick be a QB, and he's toast. Let him be a RB, and he'll get some. When you get this far, you always face a good defense. Until Vick learns how to play QB, and i'm not convinced he will, he'll never get any farther. All those hits add up, and sooner or later they will take its toll. He just better learn to play QB by then.

 

[Gargoylez]

I am not getting the Boller sucks theory. I thought he really kinda improved this season. I mean he didn't look like no Manning or anything, but he looked better then he has all his career.258-464 2559 55.6% 13TD 11INTNot great but its not like he is a bust or anything, its a run oriented offense... He is not going to the Pro-bowl with those numbers, but between play calling, no WR's and the fact they would rather run the ball then pass... What do you expect? I just don;t think he "sucks." 274-489 3047 56.0% 19TD 12INTHarringtons numbers are even better. These are not bad numbers at all. give you, he can't go out on defense and stop an opponent. I wont say he has developed that killer instinct either... but I think you guys are being a little harsh on QBs that can and will be good someday. Takes time...

 

[beefcake]

Vick = studPeerless Price = dudif you ask questions about his passing, you first have to answer who is he going to throw to.

 

[Banger]

Of course he needs to improve. Hes only in his second year starting!!! And he will improve! That same defense and special teams were terrible last year without Vick...he changes the entire game.

Read the whole post and this is definitely the funniest post. So Vick is responsible for improving the defense and special teams as well? His talent knows no bounds. It couldn't have anything to do with a new coach and defensive coordinator could it?

Vick is an amazing scrambler but as time goes on teams will take pieces of each blueprint on how to keep Vick in the pocket and make him pass to beat you. Remember Kordell the first few years? He was also a phenom until teams learned how to beat him (not comparing the talent level just the one dimensional aspect of their games). Once teams start to get enough film of his tendencies it will get more and more difficult for him to succeed doing the same thing. He will need to show improvement in other ways (passing the ball) to continue to be successful.

 

[packersfan]

Vick = stud

Peerless Price = dud

if you ask questions about his passing, you first have to answer who is he going to throw to.

That only goes so far. McNabb has had putrid WRs prior to this season and still put up some good passing numbers; Favre has had several seasons of less-than-stellar WRs and produced; Trent Green's WRs in KC are nothing special but he's produced; it's not like Tom Brady has a group of Pro Bowlers in New England either.I agree that Price isn't anything special by any stretch of the imagination, but Vick's problems throwing the ball go far beyond the "talent" he has to work with at WR.

 

[theToes]

Vick = Great AthleteVick = Average QB

 

[joffer]

Its really too bad that the league and ESPN chose to overhype him, as he now suffers from the inevitable backlash that comes with being a "star". He just led the Falcons deep into the playoffs for the second time in two full seasons. He deserves nothing but praise at this point in his career.

with one edit

 

[rhawkins68]

In his first season as starter, he won a wild card game & lost in divisional playoffs.In his second season as starter, he won divisional game & lost in NFC Championship game. He lead them to the playoffs twice to a franchise with a long history of losing, find something/someone else to complain about.

In his 2nd and 4th seasons.Not his 1st and 2nd. There's a big difference.

 

[beefcake]

id love to see him catch a deep ball as a WR

 

[rhawkins68]

Vick = stud

Peerless Price = dud

if you ask questions about his passing, you first have to answer who is he going to throw to.

That only goes so far. McNabb has had putrid WRs prior to this season and still put up some good passing numbers; Favre has had several seasons of less-than-stellar WRs and produced; Trent Green's WRs in KC are nothing special but he's produced; it's not like Tom Brady has a group of Pro Bowlers in New England either.I agree that Price isn't anything special by any stretch of the imagination, but Vick's problems throwing the ball go far beyond the "talent" he has to work with at WR.

I am curious who the blame goes on for yesterday's loss?Is it Vick who could not move the ball without the help of penalties against a good defense or is it the Defense that let the team down?

 

[joffer]

In his first season as starter, he won a wild card game & lost in divisional playoffs.

In his second season as starter, he won divisional game & lost in NFC Championship game. He lead them to the playoffs twice to a franchise with a long history of losing, find something/someone else to complain about.

In his 2nd and 4th seasons.Not his 1st and 2nd. There's a big difference.

RIF

 

[scoobygang]

I'm willing to accept that Vick's primary weapon is his running. My problem is that he isn't even particularly complete at that.Mike Vick is great when the defense loses contain and a hole opens up. In that instance, he can "pull out the 4.2" and make his big play.But I don't think Vick's feet are as good as McNabb's or Culpepper's in an every down sense. He's nowhere near as good at avoiding the rush and buying time. And because he's not a big Mofo like Donovan and Daunte, he doesn't brush off those arm tackles. Vick was sacked a few times when the Iggles barely laid a glove on him yesterday.