BustedKnuckles
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Travis Henry wins appeal (1 Viewer)
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fsufan
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Most of that is senseless vitriol, but I agree that he is not "absolved" of anything. The lie detector test was a joke, all he had to do was smoke from a bong to answer "did you smoke a joint" truthfully. The NFL said the lie detector and hair sample were useless and irrelevant. Those aren't the words for being absolved. However, he won the appeal which is what's important.Come down off your soapbox before you fall and hurt yourself
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bigfeet_88
Footballguy
You think the full details behind the appeal and the reason why he won will get revealed? Or will it get buried away like the Belicheat files?
Whatever technicality he got off on, I doubt you will see it happen again. NFL will be sure to dot all their i's and cross their t's from now on less they make a mockery of the whole program.
Whatever technicality he got off on, I doubt you will see it happen again. NFL will be sure to dot all their i's and cross their t's from now on less they make a mockery of the whole program.
Two questions: 1) (first bolded section) If Henry won this appeal, then doesn't that mean that the failed test that started the appeal process was invalidated? If that is the case, why hasn't he cycled out of the substance abuse program? If I recall correctly, before the season started, it was widely reported that if Henry made it to week 4 or 6 of the regular season without a failed test, he would cycle out of the program?
2) (second bolded section) What exactly is the league saying here? The lie detector and hair test means nothing, but we are letting him off anyway? Did they mess up (a technicality, as several people are saying), or is the level they set as a positive test really too low (& coudl have been the result of second hand smoke-which if is the actual case, Henry is a moron for risking millions of dollars by hanging out with people smoking)?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Dec. 4 - 5:01 pm et
Travis Henry has won his appeal of his one-year suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Upset of the year. The Broncos were confident all along, but it's extremely rare for the NFL to essentially admit a mistake this big. Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
“We are pleased with this outcome and happy that Travis has been absolved of any wrongdoing with respect to this matter," said the Broncos in a prepared statement. “The Broncos look forward to Travis Henry’s continued participation on the playing field.”
Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has said he believed Henry’s positive drug test was an error, and that Henry passed hair and lie-detector tests.
“If I thought the tests were positive, Travis would not be on our football team right now,” Shanahan said last month, according to the team's web site. “When he went back and took the hair sample — that’s negative — and the lie detector test — that’s negative — we’ll let due process take care of itself. But if Travis took a test and we knew it was positive, after what he promised me, he wouldn’t be with our football team. I didn’t share that with you because I couldn’t share it with you, obviously."
The NFL has not released any details about its reason for siding with Henry on his appeal, but this will no doubt give hope to every play who fails a drug test.
Henry should be ready to roll for the rest of the season in the Broncos' backfield, so long as his knee doesn't force him out of action again. Start him as a No. 2 Fantasy RB against the Chiefs, who have allowed eight rushing scores this year and give up an average of 115.8 rush yards per game, in Week 14.
Travis Henry has won his appeal of his one-year suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Upset of the year. The Broncos were confident all along, but it's extremely rare for the NFL to essentially admit a mistake this big. Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
“We are pleased with this outcome and happy that Travis has been absolved of any wrongdoing with respect to this matter," said the Broncos in a prepared statement. “The Broncos look forward to Travis Henry’s continued participation on the playing field.”
Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has said he believed Henry’s positive drug test was an error, and that Henry passed hair and lie-detector tests.
“If I thought the tests were positive, Travis would not be on our football team right now,” Shanahan said last month, according to the team's web site. “When he went back and took the hair sample — that’s negative — and the lie detector test — that’s negative — we’ll let due process take care of itself. But if Travis took a test and we knew it was positive, after what he promised me, he wouldn’t be with our football team. I didn’t share that with you because I couldn’t share it with you, obviously."
The NFL has not released any details about its reason for siding with Henry on his appeal, but this will no doubt give hope to every play who fails a drug test.
Henry should be ready to roll for the rest of the season in the Broncos' backfield, so long as his knee doesn't force him out of action again. Start him as a No. 2 Fantasy RB against the Chiefs, who have allowed eight rushing scores this year and give up an average of 115.8 rush yards per game, in Week 14.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Perfect. Just in time for the playoffs...that I missed.
But on another note, what can we expect the NFL to do now that he has won the appeal? Will we see some changes? Closing of a "loophole?" New testing measures or thresholds?
But on another note, what can we expect the NFL to do now that he has won the appeal? Will we see some changes? Closing of a "loophole?" New testing measures or thresholds?
This line comes from the following link:article link
So according to this, Henry should have gotten out of the substance abuse program by not having a positive test. His appeal should invalidate his "positive" test. How can they keep him in the program?
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
I love the righteous indignation! I suppose your favorite team has never had a player in trouble with the league or the law?
Well, as a person who runs drug tests at work, his number was very low. I was surprised it was considered positive. I know every lab has different thresholds but 15mg/dl(?) is a very low threshold and his number was 21mg/dl( ?). I wonder if this had anything to do with it. For example, at my job that I'm in now the threshold for a positive result is around 400mg/dl. I've been very interested in this since the beginning for this reason. It does make me wonder if he really did have second hand smoke.
fatness
Footballguy
I think what it means is that the NFL screwed up, by not allowing Henry to have his own expert there for the testing. You can't very well suspend someone (Henry) for violating a policy when you yourself (the NFL) are violating the policy.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I was listening to a radio show and they were saying that Henry had a clean test, then failed a test, but the time between them was so short that if he had smoked the pot that he couldn't have had a level that low. Hence supporting his claim that he didnt smoke it. Ironically it was a recent clean test that saved his butt.
If this it true, then the system worked how it should have. Guy failed a test but was able to appeal and prove that he in fact didn't smoke it.
If this it true, then the system worked how it should have. Guy failed a test but was able to appeal and prove that he in fact didn't smoke it.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
Was Ashton Kutcher in New York today?
(cuz the NFL got punked)
(cuz the NFL got punked)
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I don't think that is the case. I am hearing that he was able to prove he didn't smoke pot as the trace was so low that he couldn't have smoked since his last clean test to the failed test.And the decision was do you ban a player who violated the policy even though you know he didn't toke up.
But I am sure more info will come out.
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fatness
Footballguy
I hope so, I'd like to know more about it as well. But if the NFL screwed up I doubt they're going to say it.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I guess I don't understand how people can be upset over this.
Guy takes a test and allegedly fails it.
Guy challenges said test results as being false.
League reviews it and finds no wrong doing, he is absolved and allowed to play.
That is the way the appeal system is suposed to work.
I am a Bronco fan and not a Travis Henry FFL owner (Young owner matter of fact) and frankly if he keep laying the ball on te ground, I would rathter have seen him suspended.
Guy takes a test and allegedly fails it.
Guy challenges said test results as being false.
League reviews it and finds no wrong doing, he is absolved and allowed to play.
That is the way the appeal system is suposed to work.
I am a Bronco fan and not a Travis Henry FFL owner (Young owner matter of fact) and frankly if he keep laying the ball on te ground, I would rathter have seen him suspended.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe I read somewhere that he is strike free now. He was close to being dope free for the required time when he tested positive.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
League reviews their procedure and admits they didn't do it by the book so can't enforce punishment. He is off the hook and allowed to play.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
"Travis has been absolved of any wrongdoing with respect to this matter"
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
I don't think this is true. From everything I have read, the NFL followed the policy correctly. The Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) allows for the player to have their own expert there for the B sample testing. However, the expert cannot be affiliated with any lab. The expert that Henry provided was affiliated with a lab. The NFL provided him with a list of experts who had no lab affiliation and he used one of these experts instead during the testing of the B sample.The NFL followed the procedure correctly. Henry then sued the NFL for not letting him use his own expert even thought the CBA didn't allow for the expert he offered to be present because he had lab affiliation.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see if the NFL releases any other information. My bet is that mums the work and we won't get any other info. I wonder if they will change the threshold for testing the next time the CBA is up for negotiation.
Irish
Footballguy
It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
bigfeet_88
Footballguy
Broncos & Shanny have said Henry was innocent all along and he wouldn't be on the team if they thought otherwise. Whether that was just rhetoric or not, I don't see how the Broncos saying they are happy that an innocent person was found to be in fact innocent is a statement condoning drug use.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
Chickenskin
Footballguy
So much speculation.
Obviously something happened out of the norm.
No in here really knows what happend.
Henry is now available the rest of the season.
This SHOULD BE THE END OF THIS THREAD!
Obviously something happened out of the norm.
No in here really knows what happend.
Henry is now available the rest of the season.
This SHOULD BE THE END OF THIS THREAD!
Irish
Footballguy
Innocent people are not one strike away from being suspended for the entire year. NFL is big business and teams do not care as long as the player can suit up and play. You'll never convince me that the Broncos thought or even cared if he was innocent. They only cared if he was able to play.Broncos & Shanny have said Henry was innocent all along and he wouldn't be on the team if they thought otherwise. Whether that was just rhetoric or not, I don't see how the Broncos saying they are happy that an innocent person was found to be in fact innocent is a statement condoning drug use.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Ya...it`n not like they have a plethora of running backs or that any rb playing in that system excelsInnocent people are not one strike away from being suspended for the entire year. NFL is big business and teams do not care as long as the player can suit up and play. You'll never convince me that the Broncos thought or even cared if he was innocent. They only cared if he was able to play.Broncos & Shanny have said Henry was innocent all along and he wouldn't be on the team if they thought otherwise. Whether that was just rhetoric or not, I don't see how the Broncos saying they are happy that an innocent person was found to be in fact innocent is a statement condoning drug use.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
...i can see why henry was so important that he could do whatever he wants and the team would put up with it.
fatness
Footballguy
Well maybe it's not such a bad lesson. "Not everyone who is accused of something is guilty" isn't bad to learn.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Sweet!
Not really. For those of us in dynasty/keeper leagues, his inclusion in the substance abuse program is still up in the air. If he has cycled out of the program, that makes him less risky than if he is still 1 strike away from sitting out for a year. I stil believe that if he won his appeal (whether by a technicality or not), then he should have cycled out of the program, as October 1 was the day he would have cycled out without a positive test.
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fatness
Footballguy
Also from that article:
dotman
Footballguy
You're right. Kids should stick to the official drug of the NFL, Coor's Light.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
Endorsing harder drugs doesn't send a bad message, but not suspending someone for breathing in some second hand smoke will doom the children. I get it.Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
By the way, where did this come from? This is the first that I have heard that Travis isn't the man if healthy and free of drugs. Anyone else hearing this?
By the way, where did this come from? This is the first that I have heard that Travis isn't the man if healthy and free of drugs. Anyone else hearing this?
thehornet
Footballguy
this article clearly does not state what you have implied. give it a rest already.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
Irish
Footballguy
Beer is not an illegal drug, whereas the Mary Jane is. Thanks for playing. If Henry was breathing in 2nd hand smoke then he should choose better people to hang out with. I don't see how he has any time to smoke anything with all the babies he is producing.You're right. Kids should stick to the official drug of the NFL, Coor's Light.It's one thing for a player to win his appeal on a technicality, but for the team to make this statement is just foolish IMO. It sends the wrong message to kids. Hey kids go smoke all the dope you want and hire a good attorney and you too can become a member of the Denver Broncos.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Henry Suspension Up In Smoke
After seemingly never-ending speculation and delays surrounding his one-year suspension for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy, Travis Henry surprisingly won his appeal Tuesday and is now clear to play the remainder of the season. Knee problems and ineffectiveness dropped Henry into a backup role in Week 13, but Selvin Young's arm injury gives him a chance to reclaim the starting job beginning Sunday against the Chiefs.
It's nearly impossible to predict how coach Mike Shanahan will divvy up the carries between Henry, Young, Andre Hall, or whichever random guy off the street the Broncos decide to stick in their backfield, but for now Henry looks like a decent mid-level RB2 option. Kansas City has been fairly strong against the run for most of the season, but allowed 141 yards on 29 carries to a Henry-less Denver team in Week 10 and gave up 177 yards to LaDainian Tomlinson on Sunday.
While Henry hopefully celebrates the good news without getting himself into any more trouble
After seemingly never-ending speculation and delays surrounding his one-year suspension for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy, Travis Henry surprisingly won his appeal Tuesday and is now clear to play the remainder of the season. Knee problems and ineffectiveness dropped Henry into a backup role in Week 13, but Selvin Young's arm injury gives him a chance to reclaim the starting job beginning Sunday against the Chiefs.
It's nearly impossible to predict how coach Mike Shanahan will divvy up the carries between Henry, Young, Andre Hall, or whichever random guy off the street the Broncos decide to stick in their backfield, but for now Henry looks like a decent mid-level RB2 option. Kansas City has been fairly strong against the run for most of the season, but allowed 141 yards on 29 carries to a Henry-less Denver team in Week 10 and gave up 177 yards to LaDainian Tomlinson on Sunday.
While Henry hopefully celebrates the good news without getting himself into any more trouble
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Travis Henry. One of our long, national nightmares is over. Henry has won his appeal, and he can play for the rest of the season - or, as long as he stays healthy. Henry is coming off perhaps his most valuable game with two TDs against the Raiders despite just 3.3 yards a carry. The yardage should get better as he gets healthier, but at last, we can stop worrying, reading and writing about Henry's possible suspension and all of its potential repercussions.
baldbird
Footballguy
I seen that posted on fanball...Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
By the way, where did this come from? This is the first that I have heard that Travis isn't the man if healthy and free of drugs. Anyone else hearing this?
xenith
Footballguy
A direct result from the fact that Selvin Young started the game last week, and Henry finished after Young got hurt. Henry was pimped as the defacto starter, then shanny surprised everyone. So once again, we don't know squat about the Denver RB sitaution.Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
By the way, where did this come from? This is the first that I have heard that Travis isn't the man if healthy and free of drugs. Anyone else hearing this?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Everything's comin' up Travis Henry
Travis Henry, RB DEN
News: In the same week that Broncos RB Travis Henry learned that he would not be suspended for violating the NFL's Substance Abuse Policy, his opponent for Week 14 got worse against the run. Chiefs LB Donnie Edwards (hamstring) missed practice on Wednesday and LB Derrick Johnson didn't practice while leaving the team for personal reasons. Without them, the Chiefs' LB corps gets pretty thin, and that's what Henry will go up against in Week 14. Without Edwards for about a half last week, Kansas City allowed 197 total yards and two touchdowns to LaDainian Tomlinson.
Analysis: Henry's Week 14 projections would be quite high if he went up against a depleted Chiefs run defense that already ranks 21st in the league. Figure Henry to be a low-end No. 1 Fantasy RB for the coming week if the Chiefs LB corps' status doesn't improve.
Travis Henry, RB DEN
News: In the same week that Broncos RB Travis Henry learned that he would not be suspended for violating the NFL's Substance Abuse Policy, his opponent for Week 14 got worse against the run. Chiefs LB Donnie Edwards (hamstring) missed practice on Wednesday and LB Derrick Johnson didn't practice while leaving the team for personal reasons. Without them, the Chiefs' LB corps gets pretty thin, and that's what Henry will go up against in Week 14. Without Edwards for about a half last week, Kansas City allowed 197 total yards and two touchdowns to LaDainian Tomlinson.
Analysis: Henry's Week 14 projections would be quite high if he went up against a depleted Chiefs run defense that already ranks 21st in the league. Figure Henry to be a low-end No. 1 Fantasy RB for the coming week if the Chiefs LB corps' status doesn't improve.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I SAW that posted on fanball...I seen that posted on fanball...Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
By the way, where did this come from? This is the first that I have heard that Travis isn't the man if healthy and free of drugs. Anyone else hearing this?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I READ that on fanball....AnonymousBob said:I SAW that posted on fanball...baldbird said:I seen that posted on fanball...nysfl2 said:Henry, who was slated to backup Selvin Young last week before Young was hurt, should step back into the starting lineup this week. If Young or Andre Hall get healthy, Henry's recent ineffectiveness could lead to diminished playing time. For now, he's a boom-or-bust RB2 against the Chiefs this week.
By the way, where did this come from? This is the first that I have heard that Travis isn't the man if healthy and free of drugs. Anyone else hearing this?
