Tre Mason (2 Viewers)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. .

I believe he was the 5th rb taken, which makes him comparable to:

2013 - lacy, c michael

2012 - lamichael james, hillman, pierce

2011- daniel thomas, demarco murray, ridley

2010 - gerhart, ben tate

2009 - mccoy, greene

2008 - chris johnson was eerily the 5th rb taken, but in the first round, followed by forte, ray rice, k smith, jamaal charles (nice work, lions)

2007 - brandon jackson, lo' booker

2006 - lendale white was eerily the 5th rb taken, follwed by mojo

2005 - frank gore, v morency

there's a whole mix of guys with varying degrees of success in there, but most of those guys got drafted to replace somebody, and were bottled up early on.

the question generally becomes how replaceable is the incumbent.

 

[cstu]

Stacy is deemed to be on the verge of losing his job to a small 3rd round draft pick who runs a 4.5 forty and struggles with pass protection.

Mason is the same weight as MJD and outperformed him in every drill at the combine. The only thing MJD had on him was .06 in the 40 (4.39 vs. 4.45), but Mason had faster 10 and 20 yard splits. He went 15 spots later in the draft than MJD.

And OMG Richardson went ~70 spots earlier, Foster went undrafted, and Brady went in the 6th. Are we supposed to be drawing conclusions from this? Anecdotal evidence is not helpful. I think Delone Carter had a better agility score than Mason. Go out and grab him immediately! Maybe Brandon Jackson and Chris Henry are available on your waiver wire, too.

Also, his official 40 time was 4.50... not sure where you are getting 4.45. Did you cherry pick an unofficial time? The point I was making is that Stacy ran an official 4.55 yet people make this 4.50 guy out to be the next Chris Johnson and they act like a third round pick is now some sort of high draft pick. FWIW, Stacy crushed the 3-cone drill (better than anyone in this draft class) and has basically the same 20 yard shuttle as Mason. You guys talk him down like he's a slug. It's pretty funny actually.

I don't think you understand - I'm not saying Mason will take Stacy's job but you have to be sticking your head in the sand to ignore the possibility. I've said several times that Stacy and Mason are similar backs. Stacy is proven but Mason is a very good young (21) back who could become the starter at some point (next year, the year after). As for the 40 time, you're correct the official time is 4.50 and I looked it up on NFLDraftScout which had him at 4.45.

 

[cstu]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. .

I believe he was the 5th rb taken, which makes him comparable to:

2013 - lacy, c michael

2012 - lamichael james, hillman, pierce

2011- daniel thomas, demarco murray, ridley

2010 - gerhart, ben tate

2009 - mccoy, greene

2008 - chris johnson was eerily the 5th rb taken, but in the first round, followed by forte, ray rice, k smith, jamaal charles (nice work, lions)

2007 - brandon jackson, lo' booker

2006 - lendale white was eerily the 5th rb taken, follwed by mojo

2005 - frank gore, v morency

there's a whole mix of guys with varying degrees of success in there, but most of those guys got drafted to replace somebody, and were bottled up early on.

the question generally becomes how replaceable is the incumbent.

I also looked into when the 5th RB was taken off the board:

- From 1999-2009 the 5th RB was taken later than pick 54 only one time (Pinner #99 in 2003) with a range of pick 24-54 (excluding 2003).

- Since 2010 the 5th RB was taken no earlier than pick 58 (range of 58-75).

So it does appear RB's are lasting longer in the draft.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. Stacy has already accomplished more than most third rounders do in their career. I'm more than happy to snag Stacy long or short term based solely on the odds of Mason being a bust. People can yammer about eyeball tests or their predraft rankings all they want, but most experts did not have him ranked that high and the fact is he fell to the third round which correlates to a long shot for success. I think Stacy has more going for him than just a backup who is unlikely to succeed, but for redraft that should be enough.

And let's not forget that Lacy and Bernard barely outpaced Stacy's 3.9 ypc while in vastly better situations. I know Bernard makes his living running routes, but it's not Stacy's fault that he was not targeted in the same manner. Bottom line is that Lacy and Bernard probably would've seen the same or worse ypc if they'd been drafted to StL yet are held in a much higher regard due to draft position and surrounding offense while Stacy is deemed to be on the verge of losing his job to a small 3rd round draft pick who runs a 4.5 forty and struggles with pass protection. Perception is everything.

So, in other words, my post makes complete sense.

 

[msommer]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. Stacy has already accomplished more than most third rounders do in their career. I'm more than happy to snag Stacy long or short term based solely on the odds of Mason being a bust. People can yammer about eyeball tests or their predraft rankings all they want, but most experts did not have him ranked that high and the fact is he fell to the third round which correlates to a long shot for success. I think Stacy has more going for him than just a backup who is unlikely to succeed, but for redraft that should be enough.

And let's not forget that Lacy and Bernard barely outpaced Stacy's 3.9 ypc while in vastly better situations. I know Bernard makes his living running routes, but it's not Stacy's fault that he was not targeted in the same manner. Bottom line is that Lacy and Bernard probably would've seen the same or worse ypc if they'd been drafted to StL yet are held in a much higher regard due to draft position and surrounding offense while Stacy is deemed to be on the verge of losing his job to a small 3rd round draft pick who runs a 4.5 forty and struggles with pass protection. Perception is everything.

So, in other words, my post makes complete sense.

To you

 

[SproutDaddy]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. Stacy has already accomplished more than most third rounders do in their career. I'm more than happy to snag Stacy long or short term based solely on the odds of Mason being a bust. People can yammer about eyeball tests or their predraft rankings all they want, but most experts did not have him ranked that high and the fact is he fell to the third round which correlates to a long shot for success. I think Stacy has more going for him than just a backup who is unlikely to succeed, but for redraft that should be enough.

And let's not forget that Lacy and Bernard barely outpaced Stacy's 3.9 ypc while in vastly better situations. I know Bernard makes his living running routes, but it's not Stacy's fault that he was not targeted in the same manner. Bottom line is that Lacy and Bernard probably would've seen the same or worse ypc if they'd been drafted to StL yet are held in a much higher regard due to draft position and surrounding offense while Stacy is deemed to be on the verge of losing his job to a small 3rd round draft pick who runs a 4.5 forty and struggles with pass protection. Perception is everything.

So, in other words, my post makes complete sense.

To you

Oh.......there are others

 

[FF Ninja]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. Stacy has already accomplished more than most third rounders do in their career. I'm more than happy to snag Stacy long or short term based solely on the odds of Mason being a bust. People can yammer about eyeball tests or their predraft rankings all they want, but most experts did not have him ranked that high and the fact is he fell to the third round which correlates to a long shot for success. I think Stacy has more going for him than just a backup who is unlikely to succeed, but for redraft that should be enough.

And let's not forget that Lacy and Bernard barely outpaced Stacy's 3.9 ypc while in vastly better situations. I know Bernard makes his living running routes, but it's not Stacy's fault that he was not targeted in the same manner. Bottom line is that Lacy and Bernard probably would've seen the same or worse ypc if they'd been drafted to StL yet are held in a much higher regard due to draft position and surrounding offense while Stacy is deemed to be on the verge of losing his job to a small 3rd round draft pick who runs a 4.5 forty and struggles with pass protection. Perception is everything.

So, in other words, my post makes complete sense.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Admittedly, I was a defender of Trent last year after what he did his rookie year. I lost faith. Was able to trade him in all 3 of my leagues. Could Stacy be a similar situation? It's not out of the question. Mason was drafted much higher. Stacy isn't anything special. I think Mason is a more special talent.........without a doubt.

Ha. I guess we are opposites. I avoided Trent last year, feeling he only had value in full PPR leagues and even then he wasn't a target. Don't let one guy ruin your frame of mind. Plenty of RBs in bad situations have improved linearly with their situations. Stacy was in an awful situation as has been stated many times. No passing game and rough division. The only positive was an above average but not great line. I think his situation has improved drastically, although I do not like the Schottenheimer hire for OC. Hopefully they can overcome that, but if the Rams offense sputters then I only have myself to blame for overlooking this.

But you do realize how silly it is to say Mason was drafted much higher than Stacy, right? Think about the success rate of third round rookies. It's awful. Stacy has already accomplished more than most third rounders do in their career. I'm more than happy to snag Stacy long or short term based solely on the odds of Mason being a bust. People can yammer about eyeball tests or their predraft rankings all they want, but most experts did not have him ranked that high and the fact is he fell to the third round which correlates to a long shot for success. I think Stacy has more going for him than just a backup who is unlikely to succeed, but for redraft that should be enough.

And let's not forget that Lacy and Bernard barely outpaced Stacy's 3.9 ypc while in vastly better situations. I know Bernard makes his living running routes, but it's not Stacy's fault that he was not targeted in the same manner. Bottom line is that Lacy and Bernard probably would've seen the same or worse ypc if they'd been drafted to StL yet are held in a much higher regard due to draft position and surrounding offense while Stacy is deemed to be on the verge of losing his job to a small 3rd round draft pick who runs a 4.5 forty and struggles with pass protection. Perception is everything.

So, in other words, my post makes complete sense.

Your reasoning for avoiding Trent is the same as mine for Stacy. Trent also didn't have a talented back drafted behind him after his rookie year.

 

[FF Ninja]

Your reasoning for avoiding Trent is the same as mine for Stacy. Trent also didn't have a talented back drafted behind him after his rookie year.

Not at all. I felt that Trent was overvalued due to his 12 TDs and that his situation didn't actually improve (FWIW, I liked Lynch a lot better than Richardson last year so it was an easy pass if I was ever drafting in that spot). Stacy is cheaper than Trent last year and his situation DID improve, third round rookie not withstanding.

 

[Tango]

Now that was unfortunate.

Is there an emoticon for a matador letting a bull pass by?

The bull would be the one who isn't Mason.

 

[dkp993]

He's getting killed in pass pro right now..... Ha-Ha made it look way to easy

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Tre Mason - RB - Rams

Tre Mason rushed for 30 yards on 12 carries in the Rams' second preseason game on Saturday against the Packers.

Mason was the third running back through the rotation, once again. After getting praised for picking up a blitz in the preseason opener, Mason blew two assignments and got Shaun Hill sacked on one of them. He has a long way to go in pass protection, and it may keep him mostly as a spectator behind three-down backs Zac Stacy and Benny Cunningham for much of his rookie year.

Aug 16 - 6:45 PM

 

[msommer]

second straight game with the third string. bad pass pro. not exactly lighting it up in the production department.

Yep I see it. Stud. Will start week 1

 

[Bob Magaw]

Not piling on, Stacy didn't look great, either, the OL is missing key components and still a work in progress (noted in the game thread).

It would be nice to see him get reps with the starters in the third game to evaluate his progress and standing relative to Stacy, if he doesn't, that may be an indication they don't think he is ready to play a big role yet (that could change later this season or in 2015?).

 

[Archer]

Stacy looked horrible too if we are going to be fair and accurate

 

[dkp993]

Being as objective as a Rams fan can could be. The line held up much better for Mason then it did for Stacy. Seemingly every Stacy run he was met in the backfield. Faulk even mentioned how Stacy did a good job of minimizing the loss of yards. I don't have a dog in the fight as I want the best player on the field, and right now with the body of work that goes to Stacy.

 

[alger]

Not piling on, Stacy didn't look great, either, the OL is missing key components and still a work in progress (noted in the game thread).

It would be nice to see him get reps with the starters in the third game to evaluate his progress and standing relative to Stacy, if he doesn't, that may be an indication they don't think he is ready to play a big role yet (that could change later this season or in 2015?).

Who is missing from the line Bob?

 

[Bob Magaw]

Alger,

Jake Long and Saffold were out and Robinson is playing LT at times but will play LG when Long returns (reportedly next game, not sure about Saffold, I haven't heard that he has a serious injury), so 60% of the OL is missing or playing out of position. Long and Saffold are key players on the OL, but both have missed time in recent seasons (Long played most of 2013, but is returning from a torn ACL).

 

[cstu]

Being as objective as a Rams fan can could be. The line held up much better for Mason then it did for Stacy. Seemingly every Stacy run he was met in the backfield. Faulk even mentioned how Stacy did a good job of minimizing the loss of yards. I don't have a dog in the fight as I want the best player on the field, and right now with the body of work that goes to Stacy.

I watched all his carries and he had nowhere to go. There were a couple carries where I thought he was indecisive but there wasn't much there.

 

[Brewtown]

Being as objective as a Rams fan can could be. The line held up much better for Mason then it did for Stacy. Seemingly every Stacy run he was met in the backfield. Faulk even mentioned how Stacy did a good job of minimizing the loss of yards. I don't have a dog in the fight as I want the best player on the field, and right now with the body of work that goes to Stacy.

I watched all his carries and he had nowhere to go. There were a couple carries where I thought he was indecisive but there wasn't much there.

I agree with this. I do have to say that Mason currently is nothing more than a speed bump in pass protection. He will improve on this over the year, but he has a ways to go...

I still love his running style and offensive talent, especially long term...

He just needs to improve a lot in this area...

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Following Saturday's preseason game, coach Jeff Fisher said Tre Mason "needs to keep working" on pass protection.

Working as the third-string back, Mason didn't recognize a blitz from Sam Barrington and got Shaun Hill sacked. On the very next possession, he failed to pick up blitzing Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and got Hill sacked again. It's not a surprise, as Mason was rarely even asked to pass protect at Auburn. He's not a threat to Zac Stacy and may not even pass up Benny Cunningham this season.

Related: Benny Cunningham, Zac Stacy

Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch

Aug 18 - 10:32 AM

 

[TheFanatic]

You leave the Eskies out of this!

And you got absolutely

 

[Zdravko]

What we are seeing is nothing other than the usual, annual ending of most rookie RB infatuations and the onset of NFL reality. When you put Sankey, Tre, etc. on the field, you see that just like most other rookies, they all have a lot to learn about ball security or pass protection before they can truly contend in the NFL.

Always good to remember these things before you hit the Accept button, throwing out proven production for rookie potential.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Told you so

 

[Soulfly3]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

 

[SproutDaddy]

Told you so

You know nothing

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I own both and prefer Mason long term, however you keep spouting off on how Mason will somehow show how superior he is once he gets behind the ones - without mentioning how he'll also be facing the first string defense of the other team instead of guys that will be pursuing other careers come September.

 

[Soulfly3]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I own both and prefer Mason long term, however you keep spouting off on how Mason will somehow show how superior he is once he gets behind the ones - without mentioning how he'll also be facing the first string defense of the other team instead of guys that will be pursuing other careers come September.

That's implied isn't it?

Doesn't change the fact that he'll have guys who can actually open some lanes. Including running behind a guy he has already has tons of chemistry with.

Put it this way : If Mason went bananas this preseason behind the 2/3s, thatd be ppls excuse as to why it doesnt matter "he's running against scrub defenders"... He does poorly, and it's "he can't even do it against the 2/3s!!!"

The only way we'll be able to sit back and say "yup... he's as good or better" is when the regular season starts, the o-line cares and goes full tilt, and both runners are putting in shifts.

Has Mason looked great in preseason? No.

But Stacy has looked every bit as unexciting behind the 1s, so this comp has gone nowhere at this point.

 

[FF Ninja]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I own both and prefer Mason long term, however you keep spouting off on how Mason will somehow show how superior he is once he gets behind the ones - without mentioning how he'll also be facing the first string defense of the other team instead of guys that will be pursuing other careers come September.

That's implied isn't it?

Doesn't change the fact that he'll have guys who can actually open some lanes. Including running behind a guy he has already has tons of chemistry with.

Put it this way : If Mason went bananas this preseason behind the 2/3s, thatd be ppls excuse as to why it doesnt matter "he's running against scrub defenders"... He does poorly, and it's "he can't even do it against the 2/3s!!!"

The only way we'll be able to sit back and say "yup... he's as good or better" is when the regular season starts, the o-line cares and goes full tilt, and both runners are putting in shifts.

Has Mason looked great in preseason? No.

But Stacy has looked every bit as unexciting behind the 1s, so this comp has gone nowhere at this point.

So much wrong here...

Stacy is running behind 2s while facing 1s. When the o-line is 100% then we'll see what happens.

And sure, people could dismiss Mason blowing up against 3s, but guess what? He hasn't even done that, so no need for the hypothetical. IF he actually does something against the 3s, THEN you can get into that. So far we've got a pretty open and shut case. And you constant attempts at pumping Mason are just getting pathetic. It's hard to watch.

 

[Soulfly3]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I own both and prefer Mason long term, however you keep spouting off on how Mason will somehow show how superior he is once he gets behind the ones - without mentioning how he'll also be facing the first string defense of the other team instead of guys that will be pursuing other careers come September.

That's implied isn't it?

Doesn't change the fact that he'll have guys who can actually open some lanes. Including running behind a guy he has already has tons of chemistry with.

Put it this way : If Mason went bananas this preseason behind the 2/3s, thatd be ppls excuse as to why it doesnt matter "he's running against scrub defenders"... He does poorly, and it's "he can't even do it against the 2/3s!!!"

The only way we'll be able to sit back and say "yup... he's as good or better" is when the regular season starts, the o-line cares and goes full tilt, and both runners are putting in shifts.

Has Mason looked great in preseason? No.

But Stacy has looked every bit as unexciting behind the 1s, so this comp has gone nowhere at this point.

So much wrong here...

Stacy is running behind 2s while facing 1s. When the o-line is 100% then we'll see what happens.

And sure, people could dismiss Mason blowing up against 3s, but guess what? He hasn't even done that, so no need for the hypothetical. IF he actually does something against the 3s, THEN you can get into that. So far we've got a pretty open and shut case. And you constant attempts at pumping Mason are just getting pathetic. It's hard to watch.

Ok. So running behind a 3rd string online should make it easier for Mason?

So when the defense has him wrapped up almost before he's even received the handoff, that's normal, right?

Like I said... wait til they're both behind the 1s... it'll sort itself out by midseason, w Mason just owning it

 

[RBM]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I own both and prefer Mason long term, however you keep spouting off on how Mason will somehow show how superior he is once he gets behind the ones - without mentioning how he'll also be facing the first string defense of the other team instead of guys that will be pursuing other careers come September.

That's implied isn't it?

Doesn't change the fact that he'll have guys who can actually open some lanes. Including running behind a guy he has already has tons of chemistry with.

Put it this way : If Mason went bananas this preseason behind the 2/3s, thatd be ppls excuse as to why it doesnt matter "he's running against scrub defenders"... He does poorly, and it's "he can't even do it against the 2/3s!!!"

The only way we'll be able to sit back and say "yup... he's as good or better" is when the regular season starts, the o-line cares and goes full tilt, and both runners are putting in shifts.

Has Mason looked great in preseason? No.

But Stacy has looked every bit as unexciting behind the 1s, so this comp has gone nowhere at this point.

Comp? There is no comp.

 

[TheFanatic]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I keep hearing this, except that we're not running an Alabama offense from 1974. Even if the Rams are in the bottom third of the league for pass attempts, they are still going to pass and Mason will have to block.

 

[Blackjacks]

Bradford's best attribute is play action. If Mason cant pass protect it will be a big sign when the Rams are running and when they are passing. I personally think Mason will be brought along very slowly. Its not like Stacy isn't a very good rb in front of him and honestly Benny Cunningham looks just as good as both of them. There is no rush for Mason to take the field and the biggest concern this year is keeping Bradford protected. If he cant block he wont see the field much!

 

[Koya]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I keep hearing this, except that we're not running an Alabama offense from 1974. Even if the Rams are in the bottom third of the league for pass attempts, they are still going to pass and Mason will have to block.

Ask any NFL coach - a great runner who can't protect the QB, in a passing league where RBs are more a commodity than ever before, won't see much of the field, not as a RB at least.

 

[TheFanatic]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I keep hearing this, except that we're not running an Alabama offense from 1974. Even if the Rams are in the bottom third of the league for pass attempts, they are still going to pass and Mason will have to block.

Ask any NFL coach - a great runner who can't protect the QB, in a passing league where RBs are more a commodity than ever before, won't see much of the field, not as a RB at least.

 

[Koya]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I keep hearing this, except that we're not running an Alabama offense from 1974. Even if the Rams are in the bottom third of the league for pass attempts, they are still going to pass and Mason will have to block.

Ask any NFL coach - a great runner who can't protect the QB, in a passing league where RBs are more a commodity than ever before, won't see much of the field, not as a RB at least.

And I'm a Mason owner fwiw

 

[Soulfly3]

I own both. In the same dynasty.

I got both horses in this race. But I expect mason to come out ahead

 

[Koya]

I own both. In the same dynasty.

I got both horses in this race. But I expect mason to come out ahead

This season or down the road?

 

[Soulfly3]

I own both. In the same dynasty.

I got both horses in this race. But I expect mason to come out ahead

This season or down the road?

Ive stated by midseason I expect a change in roles

Next season, all in on Mason

 

[FF Ninja]

The superior runner will not be left on the bench. Get that out of your heads.

When the 1s are on the field infront of him, in a real play, Mason wont be doing much "pass blocking", he'll be pounding the ball...

I own both and prefer Mason long term, however you keep spouting off on how Mason will somehow show how superior he is once he gets behind the ones - without mentioning how he'll also be facing the first string defense of the other team instead of guys that will be pursuing other careers come September.

That's implied isn't it?

Doesn't change the fact that he'll have guys who can actually open some lanes. Including running behind a guy he has already has tons of chemistry with.

Put it this way : If Mason went bananas this preseason behind the 2/3s, thatd be ppls excuse as to why it doesnt matter "he's running against scrub defenders"... He does poorly, and it's "he can't even do it against the 2/3s!!!"

The only way we'll be able to sit back and say "yup... he's as good or better" is when the regular season starts, the o-line cares and goes full tilt, and both runners are putting in shifts.

Has Mason looked great in preseason? No.

But Stacy has looked every bit as unexciting behind the 1s, so this comp has gone nowhere at this point.

So much wrong here...

Stacy is running behind 2s while facing 1s. When the o-line is 100% then we'll see what happens.

And sure, people could dismiss Mason blowing up against 3s, but guess what? He hasn't even done that, so no need for the hypothetical. IF he actually does something against the 3s, THEN you can get into that. So far we've got a pretty open and shut case. And you constant attempts at pumping Mason are just getting pathetic. It's hard to watch.

Ok. So running behind a 3rd string online should make it easier for Mason?

So when the defense has him wrapped up almost before he's even received the handoff, that's normal, right?

Like I said... wait til they're both behind the 1s... it'll sort itself out by midseason, w Mason just owning it

Only 11 offensive linemen played in the game... so he was likely running behind a combination of 1s and 2s while playing against 3s. And yeah, he should be able to juke some third stringers if he's indeed this amazing talent you make him out to be. Missed tackles and broken tackles are made by good running backs against starting NFL talent. If Mason can't do it against guys who will be moving furniture in a month then good luck to him. If he can one day learn to pass block, maybe he can carve out a niche role as a 3rd down specialist for a few years, ala Brandon Jackson (2nd round pick?).

If you really owned both Stacy and Mason in dynasty you wouldn't be trying to hard to convince yourself that Mason is going to take over the job sometime this year. This "I own both" shtick of yours is one of the most blatantly obvious lies in the SP. It is much like your attempts to pump Mason... just pathetic.

 

[Soulfly3]

If you really owned both Stacy and Mason in dynasty you wouldn't be trying to hard to convince yourself that Mason is going to take over the job sometime this year. This "I own both" shtick of yours is one of the most blatantly obvious lies in the SP. It is much like your attempts to pump Mason... just pathetic.

thats some serious anger, dude.

It's fake football... Chill out

 

[Soulfly3]

2014 - where a single previous year of 3.9ypc guarantees your bellcow status

 

[TheFanatic]

2014 - where a single previous year of 3.9ypc guarantees your bellcow status

A year in which every one in the world knew what was going to happen on just about every play. 3.9 is solid in an offense as vanilla as Schotty's and with that QB.

Oh, and I own neither of them in any league. But I'm a Rams homer and I see a guy that blocks well and one that doesn't. The guy that does, almost despite running ability will see the field. This is a maxim of football that cannot be countered. If Mason learns to block, then and only then, will he have a chance to supplant Stacy.

 

[Soulfly3]

You guys talk about Mason like he has a severe learning disability.

If these coaches are worth their salt theyll "teach him to block"

I guess Marshall Faulk and I just see the same thing in Mason, and we're both dead wrong according to the SP

 

[FF Ninja]

If you really owned both Stacy and Mason in dynasty you wouldn't be trying to hard to convince yourself that Mason is going to take over the job sometime this year. This "I own both" shtick of yours is one of the most blatantly obvious lies in the SP. It is much like your attempts to pump Mason... just pathetic.

thats some serious anger, dude.

It's fake football... Chill out

Um... yeah... I'm obviously flipping out here. Calling your annoying pumping "pathetic" isn't a manifestation of anger. It's just calling a spade a spade.

2014 - where a single previous year of 3.9ypc guarantees your bellcow status

2014 - where a third round pick is suddenly a high draft pick and guarantees "heir apparent" status

 

[Soulfly3]

Ninja, you can keep trying to make this about you and I... Ill keep it about Stacy and Mason.

3.9 is trash. Mason has an entire season to prove himself ... And im more than confident he will

 

[Tango]

You guys talk about Mason like he has a severe learning disability.

If these coaches are worth their salt theyll "teach him to block"

I guess Marshall Faulk and I just see the same thing in Mason, and we're both dead wrong according to the SP

Faulk's words about Mason have included highs and lows. Youre right he's said some nice things, but Faulk spent a good deal of time blasting Mason last game.

 

[Soulfly3]

Hes a rookie. He should be blasted w highs and lows

Fact is, Faulk said that Mason is ubdoubtedly a 25-30 touch per game back.

What higher praise is there for a rookie RB?

 

[Nero]

Hes a rookie. He should be blasted w highs and lows

Fact is, Faulk said that Mason is ubdoubtedly a 25-30 touch per game back.

What higher praise is there for a rookie RB?

Did Faulk say that Stacy was not a 25-30 carry back?3.9 was impressive for Stacy considering the circumstances. The circumstances have improved, so will 3.9.

 

[Koya]

I own both. In the same dynasty.

I got both horses in this race. But I expect mason to come out ahead

This season or down the road?

Ive stated by midseason I expect a change in roles

Next season, all in on Mason

While hope so - but don't see it. Stacy showed too much last year, and a guy like Mason will take the full year, imo, to get blocking down, possibly the offseason as well.