GoBirds
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Yep, liberal echo chamber schtick 101. Painting any that don’t buy in with the broad brush inaccurate generalizations based off some fringe story form Liberal media.
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Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (1 Viewer)
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Yep, liberal echo chamber schtick 101. Painting any that don’t buy in with the broad brush inaccurate generalizations based off some fringe story form Liberal media.
The General
Footballguy
This is universal in US politics.
Yep, liberal echo chamber schtick 101. Painting any that don’t buy in with the broad brush inaccurate generalizations.
Not sure what's going on in that video, what the conference is, but whatever that dude speaking was getting on about was not good.
Boston
Footballguy
IMO the left's reaction to Carlson is what happens with anyone who disagrees with them on almost any topic in today's world...instead of simply not agreeing with them it goes right to the extreme and you are a racist, a white supremacist, you hate the trans community, you are a homophobe and in Carlson's case now you are pro-Putin...there are many reasons for the divide we have in this country and the extremes on both sides contribute to it but IMO the rush to hate, destroy and label someone who disagrees with you is right at the top of this list...you can disagree with Carlson and in many cases you can bring a great rebuttal to what he says but the need to go right for the jugular has become the hallmark for a group that once believed in "question authority"...I honestly don't know how can you can watch him last night and think he is being pro-Putin unless you have already made up your mind...it used to be holding our leaders accountable was seen as admirable but it appears that is no longer the case depending on who is in office.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It was far more than one dude. The leader of the thing (Fuentes) definitely was, as was a pretty loud part of the crowd.
Narrative I want to push? The people of that conference (oddly named America First) were definitely cheering for Russia and Putin. That is undeniable. MTG was certainly there, Gosar in the pasty...unsure if he was there this year...and there were reports of other members of the GOP (either nationally or from state congresses).
To claim this was some false flag event crasher...it was the organizer leading the pro Russian chants. You can't just make that go away and claim its some false narrative of the left.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It was the AFPAC...lead by a white nationalist and attended by several members of the GOP. Its not hard to admit it happened...its not hard to say it was bad and it shouldn't have. Why try to inaccurately claim that it was just some lefty narrative of infiltrated by BLM/Antifa? I mean...I get its the schtick here at times...but can you all just not come out and say what is pretty clearly happening at that event?
Yep, liberal echo chamber schtick 101. Painting any that don’t buy in with the broad brush inaccurate generalizations based off some fringe story form Liberal media.
GoBirds
Footballguy
He's a troll looking for the reaction. End stop. Everyday an outrage about something -- he's the instigator in this not "the left" --
And there's coverage out there now about how he's changed his story on this war. I'm sure he got blowback.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think the vast majority of Republicans are on the side of Ukraine in this struggle: A few idiots at CPAC don’t change that.
That being said, the defense of Tucker Carlson is troubling. And why CPAC, at one time a respectable gathering, would ever allow a white supremacist fool like Fuentes to be at the podium is a question that conservatives should really be thinking about.
I’m glad that @Sparky Big Time brought up Maxine Waters. She has long been an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. I have never understood why my fellow Democrats haven’t ostracized her long since. She is our Marjorie Taylor Greene, perhaps worse because she’s had such longevity.
That being said, the defense of Tucker Carlson is troubling. And why CPAC, at one time a respectable gathering, would ever allow a white supremacist fool like Fuentes to be at the podium is a question that conservatives should really be thinking about.
I’m glad that @Sparky Big Time brought up Maxine Waters. She has long been an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. I have never understood why my fellow Democrats haven’t ostracized her long since. She is our Marjorie Taylor Greene, perhaps worse because she’s had such longevity.
massraider
Footballguy
I thought Fuentes was at his own own off-brand conference. I don't think he's at CPAC.
timschochet
Footballguy
I thought he was the one that called for a cheer for Putin. Did I get that wrong? If not who did it?
massraider
Footballguy
No that's him, but that's not at CPAC.
It's at his AFPAC.
Search for that and his name if you want to lose faith in humanity
timschochet
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sho nuff
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CPAC did not. It was Fuentes at the AFPAC.
CPAC had the ramblings of Ted Cruz and Papa John.
ETA…mass beat me to it.
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The General
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I’m not a big Tucker watcher but I do know his schtick is Dems do nothing right, Biden is awful, etc. Tucker people is that fair?
Nothing wrong with that I suppose. He’s a highly skilled troll.
However, when he says like I believe he did just before the invasion that we are wrongly being taught to hate Putin he should be put on blast and clarify it which I think people are saying he has now.
Nothing wrong with that I suppose. He’s a highly skilled troll.
However, when he says like I believe he did just before the invasion that we are wrongly being taught to hate Putin he should be put on blast and clarify it which I think people are saying he has now.
jamny
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The guy you touted for President has us on the brink of WWIII and you are arguing about one, maybe two, dopes yelling “Putin.”
Be better and take these troubling times more seriously with less
TIA
The General
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
I liked Tucker more before Biden was in office. He appears to go out of his way for more outrage now. Comparing Putin to some of our faults is just an awful take.
Putin has us on the brink. Be better.The guy you touted for President has us on the brink of WWIII and you are arguing about one, maybe two, dopes yelling “Putin.”
Be better and take these troubling times more seriously with less
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
He was fully in check for 4 years after grabbing Crimea during Obama/Biden. I don’t think that is a coincidence.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So...instead of talking about what is actually said...you turn around trying to poke me for voting for Biden. Who, BTW...does not have us on the brink of any war. That would beon Putin, not biden. So please stop the going after the poster...talk about the topic and the posts. I mentioned...factually, what went on at that AFPAC...even corrected others who were stating it was the CPAC. I have no problem talking about that and tucker carlson.The guy you touted for President has us on the brink of WWIII and you are arguing about one, maybe two, dopes yelling “Putin.”
Be better and take these troubling times more seriously with less
This was not one or two people yelling that...its ok to just own it...it was clear as day at that place.
sho nuff
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bostonfred
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496555399499157516
Russia thinks Tucker Carlson is pro Putin.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...the leader of the conference and plenty enough to be heard on the video. More than there should be at this thing. And why any conservative anyone would be supporting that conference is pretty bad look for the likes of Gosar and MTG and others that were there or have attended in the past.
Is it hard to call that out as a bad thing? I mean the whole thing, not just chanting for Putin at this point. Fuentes alone should be easy to just openly state he is not good for the party and country.
The GOP should be distancing themselves from things like that. Not having some of them embrace it.
timschochet
Footballguy
You and a few others keep repeating this and according to polling the public is buying it. But none of you provide any reasoning.
What did Trump do to prevent this invasion during his term? What did Biden fail to do that helped to cause the invasion? If you or anyone else can provide cogent, reasonable arguments then I’m certainly willing to consider them. But I haven’t heard any so far.
bostonfred
Footballguy
He explicitly told his viewers to "ask yourself, why do i hate Putin so much?"
https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496555399499157516
Be clear about what he said because he certainly won't
sho nuff
Footballguy
Probably other threads for it as well outside of anything Carlson has been putting out there....we will only get the answer that he didn't do it with Trump in office...so that must mean he wouldn't have. It ignores so much (Syria, Butina, Lavrov, his threat to withhold aid to Ukraine...and so on).
The General
Footballguy
That’s his money maker move I think. Throw some bait out, then do that face that looks like he just smelled a fart.
He’s a maestro at this.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Right. So confirming that what I responded to was completely made up. The claim that “prominent republicans at the primary Republican conference, chanting for a vicious dictator” is completely false, made up, BS.
I have no idea who the guy speaking is and no one knows who the random folks in the background are. But this is not the primary Republican Conference and no “prominent Republicans” are chanting for a dictator.
Boston
Footballguy
Putin is a bully and like any bully he waits for an opportunity where he is comfortable he can get away with his bullying...I know you hate Trump but Trump was seen as a loose cannon that a bully like Putin could not read and due to that wasn't comfortable carrying out his plan...Biden is a bumbling old man who gives off zero leadership and has a VP that is beyond inept and the debacle in Afghanistan only reinforces those characterizations as does the fact our military brass appears to be highly concerned about woke issues so Putin being the bully he is sees this as his opportunity to get away with his bullying...I know everyone likes to use words like context and nuance but IMO this is simply a street thug who feels he can bully someone else and get away with it...hopefully he has overplayed his hand and Biden and other world leaders figure this out but that is my very general reason why this is happening now.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Totally. Whatever that guy is talking about is not my particular brand of vodka. He sounds like a psycho. And anyone chanting Putin should be seriously questioned. My only gripe is a previous poster representing this pac as the “primary GOP convention” and that many “prominent GOP congressmen” were chanting for a dictator. I get that everything has to get ramped up these days but at least try to be honest.
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GoBirds
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Yeah, but they need to spread their false narrative in here so they can keep screaming they are always right.
Agreed! I know we don't see eye to eye politically but I fought fight tooth and nail next to you protecting the US.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I’ve posted enough about this and there are plenty here who don’t agree with my take, but he listed a bunch of things that are the forefront of regular hardworking Americans. He’s speaking about the people that are worried about making rent or who don’t have enough savings to handle a major car repair. His point is that those people-a majority of Americans-are not worried about Russia Ukraine.
I’ve had some time to reflect on the back and forth yesterday and while I do believe what I wrote above I am willing to admit that his diatribe was at a minimum inelegant and opened himself up to criticism. Hopefully I didn’t offend @timschochetor @-fish-. If I did, my apologies.
Boston
Footballguy
He was also comparing how Putin and China are dealt with by some of our leaders and one of his points was that to the regular American China is far more of a threat to their everyday lives, but it seems like they are far more focused on Putin then China...people may agree or disagree but that is a very worthy topic to be discussed and has zero to do with being pro-Putin.
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jamny
Footballguy
and that why should the average US citizen, who has a lot on their plate right now, hate Putin. Not that they shouldn't but why should people who haven't given a single thought to Putin and Russia now hate him? Someone who has no direct impact on the average persons life in the US. Why might that be? Because in Tucker's mind, we are being primed for war with Russia and all that that will bring. You may not agree with Tucker's mistrust of our government and military motives but it still doesn't mean what he is saying is pro-Putin.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Right and I corrected that earlier as well. Prominent can be debated…but there were Republicans there who do hold national and state office. Hard to fond good information on who was actually there outside of MTG (Gosar has in the past but cant find if he was actually there this year). And I doubt you see many of the GOP leaders speak out against it either.
I think a lot did get mixed up between the CPAC clips that have been posted (with Cruz and others) and now this AFPAC.
timschochet
Footballguy
No offense taken. I disagreed with your analysis and I still do. But nothing you wrote was offensive.
As I wrote earlier, I believe the vast majority of Republicans and conservatives are on the side of Ukraine in this conflict. The ones that are not are a small handful, though awfully vocal at the moment. (But I will acknowledge that it’s in the best interests of Democrats to amplify their numbers.)
Words have consequences. You can say a lot in 30 seconds. And he did. You keep bringing up that he hasn't done an "entire segment" on pro-Putin so its just a mis-interpretation of his intent. That's pretty weak sauce.
timschochet
Footballguy
I appreciate this argument and I know that many conservatives believe this. I think that there are too many specific incidents during Trump’s term in office, in relationship to Putin and Ukraine in particular, that completely contradict this point of view. I’m not going to list them all here again as many folks have done so ad nauseum and I’m sure you’re aware of them. But when I look at Trump’s history with Putin, his history with Ukraine, I come to the exact opposite conclusion that you’re offering here.
jamny
Footballguy
Yeah, words have consequences. Especially when people take them and twist them into something they weren't meant to mean. Weak sauce indeed.
What was twisted? He said what he said.
Well at least @unckeyherb has processed this a little more -- props to him.
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