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Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (1 Viewer)

People who say he's apologizing for Putin can't be watching the same show as I did. That's straight out of the isolationist's playbook. Nothing more, nothing less. He says explicitly -- and slowly! -- that Putin is to blame and that he's the bad actor in this. 

Just because his argument dovetails with what Russia's propaganda ministers would like to hear is almost nothing -- they're reaching the same conclusion from an entirely different set of premises. Let's see how they feel about the strength of the U.S. dollar or nuclear holocaust from a global perspective. 
The distinction you’re making is irrelevant to me. Like Trump, like Bernie Sanders who in past decades apologized for the behavior of leftist dictators, Tucker is performing the role of “useful idiot”, and doing a fine job of it. He is despicable. 

 
It is rather challenging to speak honestly and with accuracy in our society today.  It can often result in condemnation, cancellation or perhaps suspension where weak people are injured.

I give Tucker credit for being accurate in most of his assessments, though not all. And he is correct on Russia/Ukraine.

It cannot be easy for him to stand up to those who want to pretend away the badness of the world.
Hey @tommyGunZ this is even worse. 

 
The distinction you’re making is irrelevant to me. Like Trump, like Bernie Sanders who in past decades apologized for the behavior of leftist dictators, Tucker is performing the role of “useful idiot”, and doing a fine job of it. He is despicable. 
He didn't apologize for anything. Did you watch the clip or are you just speaking out of your you-know-what? It's impossible to watch that clip and draw any different conclusion unless you're inferring a whole lot that isn't there. 

See, this is where I wind up wildly diverging from daily sentiments. They're too impassioned, and you'd better be in full agreement or you're a traitor or some ####. Never felt that way, even after the WTC, and I supported things out of passion like the PATRIOT Act and other such measures, which I regretted massively once I was able to think dispassionately about it. 

Try some level-headed thinking. 

 
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The distinction you’re making is irrelevant to me. Like Trump, like Bernie Sanders who in past decades apologized for the behavior of leftist dictators, Tucker is performing the role of “useful idiot”, and doing a fine job of it. He is despicable. 
Tucker never once talks about literacy rates in Russia or apologizes for Putin like Sanders did for Cuba and the Sandinistas. I know this because every day somebody is reminding me how much he hates everything not in America. 

Tim, did you just learn the phrase "useful idiot"? Because you've been using it a lot lately and I'm not sure you know what it refers to or when it should be used. 

 
You watched the clip jamny posted? That's ridiculous, then. What words exactly were you listening to? 
Let's start with him minimizing it as a "border dispute."   Then the whole, "you've been programmed to hate Putin" rant.   What do you think he means when he's essentially saying, "hey, Putin's never done anything to you personally, so why do you have a problem with him."   Christ, rock.  You're going to ignore the subtext?  

Oh, and unrelated, I particularly hated his "did he make your children embrace racism" followed immediately by the racist "does he eat dogs?"

Guess the trains run on time, so it's all good.

 
I'm shocked that this is your take.   I regrettably watched the clip of this loathesome man and can't fathom how you would not see him as an apologist for Putin.  Even Carlson knew he went too far and walked his comments back the next day.
I saw it in precisely the same terms.  

 
Let's start with him minimizing it as a "border dispute."   Then the whole, "you've been programmed to hate Putin" rant.   What do you think he means when he's essentially saying, "hey, Putin's never done anything to you personally, so why do you have a problem with him."   Christ, rock.  You're going to ignore the subtext?  

Oh, and unrelated, I particularly hated his "did he make your children embrace racism" followed immediately by the racist "does he eat dogs?"

Guess the trains run on time, so it's all good.
Wrong clip, -fish-. 

I never defended that clip. I'm not sure where that's coming from, but it sounds like not even close to what I watched. 

We are indeed watching two different things, it seems. 

 
If indeed he did say those things -- and I just looked up to make sure he did -- then, yes, there is a great deal of minimizing going on and it's done dishonestly, really. That is pure stupidity, actually. 

 
Here's the segment from 3 nights ago. https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496302694088257539?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1496302694088257539|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnextshark.com%2Ftucker-carlson-asks-if-putin-eats-dogs%2F

There are lots of other clips of him saying similar things.  He opposed the sanctions on Russia.  He's rooting for Russia.  

It's so bad that the conspiracy theorists at NewsMax are issuing statements:
Where does he say he supports Putin or that people shouldn't hate him?  He's pointing out things that have an actual impact on the average citizen, who barely gave Putin a second thought until now. He's also linking it to the whole Hunter Biden/Ukraine storyline, which I don't particularly agree with.

He is not saying he supports Putin.

 
He didn't apologize for anything. Did you watch the clip or are you just speaking out of your you-know-what? It's impossible to watch that clip and draw any different conclusion unless you're inferring a whole lot that isn't there. 

See, this is where I wind up wildly diverging from daily sentiments. They're too impassioned, and you'd better be in full agreement or you're a traitor or some ####. Never felt that way, even after the WTC, and I supported things out of passion like the PATRIOT Act and other such measures, which I regretted massively once I was able to think dispassionately about it. 

Try some level-headed thinking. 
I'll bet a buffalo nickel that he has not.

 
Tucker never once talks about literacy rates in Russia or apologizes for Putin like Sanders did for Cuba and the Sandinistas. I know this because every day somebody is reminding me how much he hates everything not in America. 

Tim, did you just learn the phrase "useful idiot"? Because you've been using it a lot lately and I'm not sure you know what it refers to or when it should be used. 
I think I know exactly when it should be used. It should be used here. And you’re wrong, he does apologize for Putin all of the time. 
 

I am not calling Tucker Carlson a traitor, please don’t put words in my mouth.

 
I think I know exactly when it should be used. It should be used here. And you’re wrong, he does apologize for Putin all of the time. 
 

I am not calling Tucker Carlson a traitor, please don’t put words in my mouth.
Give me  your top three examples of this please.

 
Here's the segment from 3 nights ago. https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496302694088257539?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1496302694088257539|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnextshark.com%2Ftucker-carlson-asks-if-putin-eats-dogs%2F

There are lots of other clips of him saying similar things.  He opposed the sanctions on Russia.  He's rooting for Russia.  

It's so bad that the conspiracy theorists at NewsMax are issuing statements:
You also linked a video of the same quote you posted. Surely you can find another of the many segments where he shows support for Putin. 

Also, did you watch the clip I posted? Where in that clip did he show support for Putin?

 
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If indeed he did say those things -- and I just looked up to make sure he did -- then, yes, there is a great deal of minimizing going on and it's done dishonestly, really. That is pure stupidity, actually. 
Yeah, I assumed that people were talking about the clip that Russian state TV is using as propaganda.   There are three different days of commentary.  Day 1 is the clip you were talking about.  Day 2 is the one that was being discussed previously as apologist.   Day 3 he tries to walk back day 2.

 
Joe Biden's stated position is that the US will not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.  I literally watched him say that yesterday.  I have no idea why you are conflating his position with Tucker Carlson's position.  Tucker is rooting on Russia - he said it.  He's spending entire segments of his show telling his millions of viewers that they have no reason to hate Putin, but in the very next few sentences directs his fire at the VP of the US.  

This is insane.  I've spent 20+ years on this board arguing with guys like you, @Yankee23Fan ,@IvanKaramazov and lots of other conservatives.  I can't believe some of you are so far gone now that you're actually defending Putin apologists.  
I haven't really spent any time listening to Carlson, but I suspect he does the same stuff Hannity does with Covid.  He will have some anti-vaxxer on his show, he'll slobber all over them as they sow doubt and misinformation, then at the very end he'll say "hey nobody is more pro-vaccine than me.  I'm vaccinated, but people should find a doctor that they trust if they are nervous about putting something unknown into their body"

We'll have people in here saying "yea, but you didn't listen to the whole thing, he clearly stated that he is pro-vax" even though 99% of the segment was all conspiracy nonsense.

 
I haven't really spent any time listening to Carlson, but I suspect he does the same stuff Hannity does with Covid.  He will have some anti-vaxxer on his show, he'll slobber all over them as they sow doubt and misinformation, then at the very end he'll say "hey nobody is more pro-vaccine than me.  I'm vaccinated, but people should find a doctor that they trust if they are nervous about putting something unknown into their body"

We'll have people in here saying "yea, but you didn't listen to the whole thing, he clearly stated that he is pro-vax" even though 99% of the segment was all conspiracy nonsense.


IMHO Hannity is much worse, and is every bit as unwatchable as Joy Ried or Rachel Maddow.

Carlson is not unlike a Don Lemon or Chris Mathews etc.  Not journalists so much as sensationalists. That being said Carlson at least admits it, whereas the others are still trying to pretend they are actual journalists.

We really seem to have a vacuum in journalism at this time. 

 
I haven't really spent any time listening to Carlson, but I suspect he does the same stuff Hannity does with Covid.  He will have some anti-vaxxer on his show, he'll slobber all over them as they sow doubt and misinformation, then at the very end he'll say "hey nobody is more pro-vaccine than me.  I'm vaccinated, but people should find a doctor that they trust if they are nervous about putting something unknown into their body"

We'll have people in here saying "yea, but you didn't listen to the whole thing, he clearly stated that he is pro-vax" even though 99% of the segment was all conspiracy nonsense.
Unsurprisingly your suspicion is wrong.  Like most of the folks in here who seemingly have very, very strong opinions about Tucker Carlson while also not having ever really watched his show.  

 
You watched the clip jamny posted? That's ridiculous, then. What words exactly were you listening to? 
That clip isn't bad;-- I watched most of it --- I've seen excerpts from other clips that are more problematic IMO.  I can't stomach the guy so don't know if he got pushback for the pro Putin stuff

 
Its an opinion/entertainment show.  I guess he is obligated to tell the truth in the same way that The View hosts make provably false claims about Covid daily or CNN stating, repeatedly and on numerous shows, that Joe Rogan used horse paste to treat Covid or MSNBC running daily discussions about Kyle Rittenhouse being a white supremacist running through the streets "unloading 60 rounds" or basically anything Rachel Maddow spewed for four years about Russia/Trump collusion.


Unsurprisingly your suspicion is wrong.  Like most of the folks in here who seemingly have very, very strong opinions about Tucker Carlson while also not having ever really watched his show.  
You watch The View daily? Tucker is pretty formulaic so I don't think that you have to watch him regularly to judge his show.

 
I haven't really spent any time listening to Carlson, but I suspect he does the same stuff Hannity does with Covid.  He will have some anti-vaxxer on his show, he'll slobber all over them as they sow doubt and misinformation, then at the very end he'll say "hey nobody is more pro-vaccine than me.  I'm vaccinated, but people should find a doctor that they trust if they are nervous about putting something unknown into their body"

We'll have people in here saying "yea, but you didn't listen to the whole thing, he clearly stated that he is pro-vax" even though 99% of the segment was all conspiracy nonsense.
Spot on. 

 
You watch The View daily? Tucker is pretty formulaic so I don't think that you have to watch him regularly to judge his show.
I do not, but am aware of, like I said, provably false statements they have made.  

Regarding your second point, people are free to do whatever they want, but I constantly see people say something like, "I don't really watch Tucker but I suspect he does x."  X being some horrible thing but also being NOT something he does.  That take on his show is pretty formulaic in this thread as well.

ETA:  still waiting on you or Tim to give me examples of the things you say you are sure he does all the time while also not watching him.  

  2 hours ago, tymarsas said:

Please. Enlighten me. Admittedly, I don't watch him regularly. But every single time I have, it's the same thing. He foroughs his brow and tells the viewer why they should hate this thing or that thing. Maybe he does some human interest pieces and I've just never seen them, but somehow I doubt it.
Can you give me a single example of this?

 
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I do not, but am aware of, like I said, provably false statements they have made.  

Regarding your second point, people are free to do whatever they want, but I constantly see people say something like, "I don't really watch Tucker but I suspect he does x."  X being some horrible thing but also being NOT something he does.  That take on his show is pretty formulaic in this thread as well.

ETA:  still waiting on you or Tim to give me examples of the things you say you are sure he does all the time while also not watching him.  

Can you give me a single example of this?
Tucker’s the worst of the worst.  He’s a trust fund kid who grew up going to elite private academies and now makes millions playing on white resentment and white grievance politics.  It’s despicable and transparent but there’s an insatiable appetite for it in modern America as Rupert Murdoch and Robert Ailes know.   

 
This thread is insane. Fox lawyers couldn't and wouldn't defend Tucker this hard.
This thread is a great illustration of why FoxNews is so successful. Several really smart posters somehow fooled by this stuff.  Those posters are far smarter than the average American, so no wonder the Republican Party is such a #### show. 

 
Tucker’s the worst of the worst.  He’s a trust fund kid who grew up going to elite private academies and now makes millions playing on white resentment and white grievance politics.
I never really grokked how the heartland types have cottoned to him.  Don't seem to be a matched pair.

 
This thread is a great illustration of why FoxNews is so successful. Several really smart posters somehow fooled by this stuff.  Those posters are far smarter than the average American, so no wonder the Republican Party is such a #### show. 


I suggest the media overall has been rather manipulative.

You have Fox feeding some and then you have CNN/MSNBC feeding as well.  Both are propaganda devices for political parties.

I think individual bias is looking for one or the other in some cases. But I also think (hope) that there are still a larger group that can see through all of it, and not buy into the sensationalized stuff coming out of any of them.

 
This thread is a great illustration of why FoxNews is so successful. Several really smart posters somehow fooled by this stuff.  Those posters are far smarter than the average American, so no wonder the Republican Party is such a #### show. 
Still waiting on another segment showing Tucker's love of Putin. Or are you basing your entire theory of that on 30 seconds from one segment.

And you also didn't comment on the link I shared.

 
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I never really grokked how the heartland types have cottoned to him.  Don't seem to be a matched pair.
People need something to be mad about. My Dad watches him pretty regularly. My Dad is retired, fairly healthy for his age, and makes more after retirement than when he was working. He has absolutely nothing to be mad about. Tucker gives him something to worry about or get angry about. It's like that for people all over the country.

Tucker is Facebook for a generation that still can't figure out their phones or tablets.

 
IMHO Hannity is much worse, and is every bit as unwatchable as Joy Ried or Rachel Maddow.

Carlson is not unlike a Don Lemon or Chris Mathews etc.  Not journalists so much as sensationalists. That being said Carlson at least admits it, whereas the others are still trying to pretend they are actual journalists.

We really seem to have a vacuum in journalism at this time. 
I had to Google who Joy Reid even was.... assumed she was one of the people on The View.

If you're watching any of these people expecting unbiased journalism then you're beyond help.  I actually thought Maddow did a good job backing up her positions even if her bias was off the charts, and even though I very rarely watched her to begin with I vowed never to watch her show again when she pulled that stunt with Trump's tax return.  

 
Unsurprisingly your suspicion is wrong.  Like most of the folks in here who seemingly have very, very strong opinions about Tucker Carlson while also not having ever really watched his show.  
I have watched his show, but haven't in a long time.  Sometimes I'll watch 9-10 minute segments that get posted on my Twitter feed.  It's not like those clips take one sentence out of context and you can still get a good idea of the amount of BS he spews.

 
Where does he say he supports Putin or that people shouldn't hate him?  He's pointing out things that have an actual impact on the average citizen, who barely gave Putin a second thought until now. He's also linking it to the whole Hunter Biden/Ukraine storyline, which I don't particularly agree with.

He is not saying he supports Putin.
I saw the same as you and @rockaction

and @unckeyherb

 
Give me  your top three examples of this please.
1. In November of 2019 Tucker said “In the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which I am.” Later on  he claimed he had been joking, but only a few days later he said that in the event of a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine, the USA “should probably be on the side of Russia.”
 

2. Carlson’s statement from the other day: “Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every job in my middle class town to Russia? Did he manufacture a world wide pandemic that ruined my business and kept me shut indoors for two years? Is he teaching my kids to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Is he trying to snuff out Christianity?” 
 

Of course facing much pressure Carlson has backtracked from this shameless apology for Putin (in which he has the temerity to argue that American liberals are worse.) 

I know you asked for 3 examples and I’ve only offered two. Two is enough for me, I don’t intend to engage in this guy’s slimy rhetoric any further. It’s shameful enough that I would be challenged to do so in the first place. 

 
more about Tucker

Required watching for this thread if not posted already. -- 

IMO what he says about capitol riots (16:00+) is just like he handled the whole Putin thing --

This guy is trash
I stopped listening when in a clip, Tucker said in response to being labeled a white supremacist, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful."  And Oliver followed that statement by saying, "...'I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist' is a pretty weak argument."

Its exactly what happens in this thread.  He took some words that were spoken by Tucker and completely tosses them around in a bowl and comes out with a completely different intent-one that fits his stupid ####### narrative.  A lot of you in here do the same thing.

 
I stopped listening when in a clip, Tucker said in response to being labeled a white supremacist, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful."  And Oliver followed that statement by saying, "...'I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist' is a pretty weak argument."

Its exactly what happens in this thread.  He took some words that were spoken by Tucker and completely tosses them around in a bowl and comes out with a completely different intent-one that fits his stupid ####### narrative.  A lot of you in here do the same thing.
No that’s what you’re doing in his defense. 

 
1. In November of 2019 Tucker said “In the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which I am.” Later on  he claimed he had been joking, but only a few days later he said that in the event of a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine, the USA “should probably be on the side of Russia.”
I know you probably just scoured the internet to find articles to support this theory of yours so I won't ask for context w/r/t what he said.  The "which I am" part is bad though not really an example of apologizing for Putin.  If I had to guess, based on the statement that the US should be on the side of Russia, I'd be willing to bet that the point he made right after that was that us getting into war with Russia over an eastern European country that has no impact on us would be really bad.  

2. Carlson’s statement from the other day: “Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every job in my middle class town to Russia? Did he manufacture a world wide pandemic that ruined my business and kept me shut indoors for two years? Is he teaching my kids to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Is he trying to snuff out Christianity?” 
I did see this one and he's not wrong.  His point is that typical working class Americans have a myriad of more pressing problems facing them in their normal lives than to worry about a threat to a country 5000 miles away by a dictator 5,500 miles away.  Again, this is not apologizing for Putin, this is pointing out that most Americans DO NOT support a war with Russia.  

Of course facing much pressure Carlson has backtracked from this shameless apology for Putin (in which he has the temerity to argue that American liberals are worse.) 

I know you asked for 3 examples and I’ve only offered two. Two is enough for me, I don’t intend to engage in this guy’s slimy rhetoric any further. It’s shameful enough that I would be challenged to do so in the first place. 
My responses are in bold.

So actually, the shame is that when challenged to supply your three best examples of the claim you and so many others are confidently making, you come up with only two and they are really bad examples.  

 
Stop using the words he actually said against him.   

What an utterly bizarre take.
So when I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist"?

You and Tim should clean your ears out.

 
Probably not the best look -- putting it mildly -- to be saying "What did Putin...[ever do to you]?" during his first salvos on the issue as war encroaches upon the world. He was totally different in the clip jamny linked to. I'm guessing he got enough blowback from enough serious people to adjust his tone. 

Interesting, because i've watched both now and it seems like two different people. I think what people misunderstand is that when you're involved in a medium like Carlson, you really do start to believe your own #### and you start to get a warped sense of who your enemies are. I've seen people get radicalized in their time in D.C. while covering the beat, as it were. There's always something to be outraged about, for sure. Democracy itself provides that. 

But then outrage turns to poor judgment, and we get prescriptions like Tucker gives. When he's sober and rational about it, he's still wrong, but at least he's eminently more defensible at times (like in jamny's link) than when he's off the cuff and angry. 

 
So when I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist"?

You and Tim should clean your ears out.


it suggests that the person using it has "thrown the gun" because they are losing the argument and are resorting to Democrat talking points and dog whistles.  Because of over use and misuse, when the term arises it is now more or less comical and farcical. 

 
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