Leroy Hoard
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If 18.5 is the line there is almost no chance of a ban. You need 24 or more to vote to ban it.
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Tush Push - for fans that love replay reviews and NCAA commercials (6 Viewers)
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JAA
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I wonder if there are props out there for it?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
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What's more likely to get banned first: The tush push or torpedo bats?
The Eagles' famed Tush Push and the Yankees torpedo bats are both in the news amid debates about whether they should be banned.
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PS - Clearly this author has been reading my jive hereHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's more likely to get banned first: The tush push or torpedo bats?
The Eagles' famed Tush Push and the Yankees torpedo bats are both in the news amid debates about whether they should be banned.
That's one way of seeing it.
I think others will see it as a key part of their offense was doing something that's now illegal (if it's banned).
I think the play is ugly and I don't really like it. But I don't really think it's unfair. The league has shown others have tried it and haven't been as successful as Philadelphia was with it.
JAA
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Joe - is there a way to understand the 'prettiness' of NFL plays? I mean, is there really an art to advancing a ball 10 yards in 4 tries?
When I hear people don't like the look of the play, I hear nebulous arguments based outside of reality. I mean, how a play looks dictates whether or not it should be in the NFL? I for one can say I LOVE seeing original looking formations and executions. I think it is part of the structured football game which makes it unique.
If people really cared about the 'art' of NFL football, they would focus on increasing the penalty for penalties. Meaning, if we wanted the NFL to be "pretty" we would make holding a 30 yard penalty. We would make the penalty for defensive pass interference putting the ball on the 5 yard line. I mean if the game was solely about its "artistic purity" we could ensure penalties truly reflected the crime. Yet we don't. We don't because it is all part of the game. Sometimes we take penalties because it is the right thing to do situationally. Yes, the penalty is ugly, but sometimes the player is said to have made an "intelligent play" because he took the penalty. There is no art in penalties and there is no art to NFL play formations. There is planning, execution and deterministic outcomes. That is what makes football great. You line up, I line up, and we hike the football.
Jayded
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I would just say it's clear at this point that they need to adjust the language one way or another ; it's legal or not and update the language to reflect what is allowed or disallowed.
Personally, I just say if the defense cannot push another defender, the offense shouldn't be allowed to either. So they either need to allow both or disallow both and call it a day.
Personally, I just say if the defense cannot push another defender, the offense shouldn't be allowed to either. So they either need to allow both or disallow both and call it a day.
Terpman22
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I'll tell you what - there is nothing more pretty than seeing your QB roll out to the left or right just enough to throw the ball out of bounds to literally nobody within the field of play.Joe - is there a way to understand the 'prettiness' of NFL plays? I mean, is there really an art to advancing a ball 10 yards in 4 tries?
When I hear people don't like the look of the play, I hear nebulous arguments based outside of reality. I mean, how a play looks dictates whether or not it should be in the NFL? I for one can say I LOVE seeing original looking formations and executions. I think it is part of the structured football game which makes it unique.
If people really cared about the 'art' of NFL football, they would focus on increasing the penalty for penalties. Meaning, if we wanted the NFL to be "pretty" we would make holding a 30 yard penalty. We would make the penalty for defensive pass interference putting the ball on the 5 yard line. I mean if the game was solely about its "artistic purity" we could ensure penalties truly reflected the crime. Yet we don't. We don't because it is all part of the game. Sometimes we take penalties because it is the right thing to do situationally. Yes, the penalty is ugly, but sometimes the player is said to have made an "intelligent play" because he took the penalty. There is no art in penalties and there is no art to NFL play formations. There is planning, execution and deterministic outcomes. That is what makes football great. You line up, I line up, and we hike the football.
I see that and I go "Now THAT right there! That is both a PRETTY play and also a very FOOTBALL play" that just really gets me amped up.
Amirite?
Thanks. I think it's mostly a "you know it when you see it" thing. Much of it's connected to what "looks like" a "normal" way of advancing the ball.
I've little interest in arguing it. And I know some people are extraordinarily passionate about defending and justifying it. That's fine, that's what fans do.
eighsse2
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Yeah, I guess that's the kind of thing that just changes over time, too. Go back in time and show someone from 1930 the NFL and they will say "I don't know what that is, but it's not football."
JAA
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Well, if you don't want to debate the tush play, you came to the wrong place!
I respectfully vomit all over your pornography point. Pornography is a legal definition, not an artistic one. The NFL has pornography rules based on the LOS and where people can be lined up. It can actually be measured and adjudicated.
However, when all of the legal standards are met, the rest is 'fair use'. For example, could you imagine a penalty thrown because a referee thought the formation of a play looked like it was illegal? Never will happen. Now, don't get me wrong, there is some grey in all of this, but we all know that is not the point. The point here is how a play looks, as long as it meets the rules of the game, should not contribute to its legality.
As an example ... the wildcat. Is anyone really going to make the case that lining the QB out at the X position is 'pretty'?
JAA
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You mean like the Forward pass?
ProstheticRGK
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I’m torn. I couldn’t actually care less if it gets banned or not.
Part of me wants it to stay legal so all the boo-hoo’ers can carry on throwing hissy fits about it and I can say “suck it!”
Another part of me wants it outlawed so all the haters will shut up.
The play itself? Meh. The Eagles will still pick up a high percentage of QB sneaks, and maybe Saquon won’t get TDs vultured.
Part of me wants it to stay legal so all the boo-hoo’ers can carry on throwing hissy fits about it and I can say “suck it!”
Another part of me wants it outlawed so all the haters will shut up.
The play itself? Meh. The Eagles will still pick up a high percentage of QB sneaks, and maybe Saquon won’t get TDs vultured.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This is a pretty good point for FF. Hard to imagine the amount of QB sneaks going up if it was ever actually banned. It all depends on how many NFL owners have Barkley on their fantasy teams.
Definitely don't want to get into a vomiting over others points. No worries.
I would ask, for the folks that support the tush push, are there any other unconventional methods they'd not be ok with?
I would ask, for the folks that support the tush push, are there any other unconventional methods they'd not be ok with?
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The Raiders could go across the Strip and pull some of the Cirque du Soleil guys for this.
Find a willing volunteer to be flung into the oncoming mass of beef hurtling towards them with menace in their step and give it a shot. Make sure the flung-y has his life insurance paid up and make sure the team is indemnified.If I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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Also, you may run out of warm bodies by halftime of the first game so have a line on a few hundred backups you can call.
And not sure about the hangup on "Prettiness".
I said, "I think the play is ugly and I don't really like it. But I don't really think it's unfair." I thought that was clear.
I said, "I think the play is ugly and I don't really like it. But I don't really think it's unfair." I thought that was clear.
Find a willing volunteer to be flung into the oncoming mass of beef hurtling towards them with menace in their step and give it a shot. Make sure the flung-y has his life insurance paid up and make sure the team is indemnified.If I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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I'm guessing they might be able to find some takers for NFL salaries.
I've seen some of their shows and dont recall violent collisions being a part of them. I could be wrong.Find a willing volunteer to be flung into the oncoming mass of beef hurtling towards them with menace in their step and give it a shot. Make sure the flung-y has his life insurance paid up and make sure the team is indemnified.If I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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I'm guessing they might be able to find some takers for NFL salaries.
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It only gets 1 yard so he wouldn't like it.
Touche, I revise to say he would like the commitment to matriculating the ball down the field in a manner which deflates the opposing team. Gaining one yard for a first by battering your opponent is a beautiful sight.
I've seen some of their shows and dont recall violent collisions being a part of them. I could be wrong.Find a willing volunteer to be flung into the oncoming mass of beef hurtling towards them with menace in their step and give it a shot. Make sure the flung-y has his life insurance paid up and make sure the team is indemnified.If I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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I'm guessing they might be able to find some takers for NFL salaries.
Not sure. For 10 X the salary, I wonder if some might consider.
10X??? Not a chance! 100x? You might get a taker but after that one gets paralyzed or killed your pool dwindles quickly.I've seen some of their shows and dont recall violent collisions being a part of them. I could be wrong.Find a willing volunteer to be flung into the oncoming mass of beef hurtling towards them with menace in their step and give it a shot. Make sure the flung-y has his life insurance paid up and make sure the team is indemnified.If I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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I'm guessing they might be able to find some takers for NFL salaries.
Not sure. For 10 X the salary, I wonder if some might consider.
10X??? Not a chance! 100x? You might get a taker but after that one gets paralyzed or killed your pool dwindles quickly.I've seen some of their shows and dont recall violent collisions being a part of them. I could be wrong.Find a willing volunteer to be flung into the oncoming mass of beef hurtling towards them with menace in their step and give it a shot. Make sure the flung-y has his life insurance paid up and make sure the team is indemnified.If I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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I'm guessing they might be able to find some takers for NFL salaries.
Not sure. For 10 X the salary, I wonder if some might consider.
Not sure. We would see.
But that’s a completely different discussion from whether it’s legal or not.
To make sure I understand - You’re saying you are good with a play like this, right?
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I think I just revolutionized the game.
I can’t wait until Launching Back is an official position in fantasy football.
I can’t wait until Launching Back is an official position in fantasy football.
Yes I am. To further the thought so I'm clear, the idea of your play is ridiculous on it's face for no other reason than it makes no practical sense to throw a waif through the air into the oncoming arms of defenders and the likelihood of serious injury is magnitudes greater than any other play in the game as to relegate the play moot. But yes, go for it.
Again, make sure your team has good lawyers for the potential lawsuit from the flying wallenda.
Again, make sure your team has good lawyers for the potential lawsuit from the flying wallenda.
The strategy here is going to be fantastic.
I’m sure there will be other innovations, but likely the first method to defend will be for defenses to have a similar set up with a Launching Safety. It will be like an anti-aircraft weapon thing.
Strategizing the mid air collisions 10 feet off the ground will be amazing. It will be a challenge to sort out which player leads with a helmet and all that of course, but they’ll figure it out.
I’m sure there will be other innovations, but likely the first method to defend will be for defenses to have a similar set up with a Launching Safety. It will be like an anti-aircraft weapon thing.
Strategizing the mid air collisions 10 feet off the ground will be amazing. It will be a challenge to sort out which player leads with a helmet and all that of course, but they’ll figure it out.
Thanks. And of course it likely won’t be like the Cirque du Soleil athletes. It will be more like a 140 pound shorter built like a tank player for a shorter distance. Will be interesting to see.
The ramifications for field goals and extra points is also going to be fascinating when we get rid of that silly rule about defenders not being able to use other players to assist them in blocking kicks
Leroy Hoard
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I would probably recommend some of the guys that form pyramids for college cheerleading formations
And to be clear, this is how I feel about it and what I said to start:
“I think the play is ugly and I don't really like it. But I don't really think it's unfair. The league has shown others have tried it and haven't been as successful as Philadelphia was with it.”
“I think the play is ugly and I don't really like it. But I don't really think it's unfair. The league has shown others have tried it and haven't been as successful as Philadelphia was with it.”
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Frankie Luvu already has some practice defending your play. He’s run it like 8 times, iirc
Terpman22
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Sadly, this part is a main reason why "high ups" want to ban it bc the Redskins players got flagged 4x in a a row and "was bad for tv"
Seems....haha, to say very unfair, would be an understatement
LOOK THIS PLAY JUST DRIVES DEFENSIVE PLAYERS CRAZY THEY JUST CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES
so you YOU have to stop doing the play!
JAA
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Except throwing a player is illegalIf I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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.All jokes here Joe, just trying to keep it light.
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What I wouldnt give to see the legends come forward and give their feedback on the game today
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Already rules regarding this
I think Washington had the right idea; they should have kept going until the Ref awarded a TD.
If we can get 3 or 4 teams to do that, the play would go away almost immediately.
Vegas would be posting odds for number of TDs award by refs. NFL would really love those optics.
If we can get 3 or 4 teams to do that, the play would go away almost immediately.
Vegas would be posting odds for number of TDs award by refs. NFL would really love those optics.
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Looking back at rules, I dont think it is illegal anymoreExcept throwing a player is illegalIf I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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All jokes here Joe, just trying to keep it light.
HEAR THAT IGGLES, MORE STEALIN TO BE DOIN!!
BladeRunner
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Otherwise known as "assisting", like the tush-push. Which is the whole point.Except throwing a player is illegalIf I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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All jokes here Joe, just trying to keep it light.
I don't see how that's any different. The end result is other players are helping the runner forward, whereas the DEF is NOT allowed to do any of that.
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Thank you for finally acknowledging the tushie pushie is legal.Otherwise known as "assisting", like the tush-push. Which is the whole point.Except throwing a player is illegalIf I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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All jokes here Joe, just trying to keep it light.
I don't see how that's any different. The end result is other players are helping the runner forward, whereas the DEF is NOT allowed to do any of that.
BladeRunner
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Incorrect. You're the one that agreed that assisting a player was ILLEGAL. I even highlighted it above for you.Thank you for finally acknowledging the tushie pushie is legal.Otherwise known as "assisting", like the tush-push. Which is the whole point.Except throwing a player is illegalIf I'm an NFL GM, my first move would be go hire these guys and hand the smallest guy the ball while he soars for an automatic first down each time...
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All jokes here Joe, just trying to keep it light.
I don't see how that's any different. The end result is other players are helping the runner forward, whereas the DEF is NOT allowed to do any of that.
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