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But where is the line on what an “obvious joke” is? To give an example, Michael Richards infamous stand up moment was probably not an “obvious” joke. Moderators will have to draw a line somewhere.
Agree Joe and I actually appreciate the moderation for several reasons. I guess to address both these posts maybe I disagree with the line because we are all drawing lines. Tons of jokes are allowed - I think where we disagree is on where the line goes but that’s understandable and I’m fine with erring on the side of caution.
just to further clarify - my leeway comment was just that - acknowledging there is a line. I won’t give examples for obvious reasons but there’s been a ton of jokes where people get in trouble. Actually I will give one example and hope that Joe will just hide the post if required
Thr Feminist wanting to change her position when faced with the possibility of getting drafted is great also.
One takeaway I’ve gotten from this thread is that Twitter isn’t the best place for comedy. They have decided that the potential abuse that could be caused by allowing certain language outweighs the benefit of users finding something funny.
By “canceling”, do you include placing a Twitter user in read-only mode until they agree to remove a Tweet?
Are you suggesting that Twitter carve out exemptions to policy for certain users that are deemed comedic? I can see some logic in that although I can understand why Twitter might want to handle it differently.
I think viewing trans people as merely “playing a role playing game” is pretty divorced from the reality of what they’re going though.
Let’s face it, they banned the account because someone was offended. If I posted something that these cretins find remotely offensive, I’m getting a bunch of tweets from these people, and they are reporting it to Twitter. Twitter isnt doing anything on their own.
I know you aren’t equating things but Twitter placing the Babylon Bee in read-only mode until they agree to remove a Tweet is such a far cry away from burning witches. My worry is that the negative attacks against woke-ism become worse than the negative ramifications of woke-ism.
No, but organizing little hate-mobs to get people fired from their jobs is actually comparable to burning witches. That was the point of The Crucible.
They were “banned” because Twitter felt they violated its policy on misgendering. Some or all of what you say might also be true. That doesn’t invalidate my first sentence.
Next time there is a thread started about such a hate mob, I’ll be eager to participate. I’ve recently found this topic fascinating. It seems, in my opinion, that most of these threads are overblown by the anti-woke crowd here but I know this always won’t be the case.
I don’t know. I only read their hateful conduct policy. I don’t think it would be covered in that section unless it was viewed as abusive to women.
Exactly. Obviously, something being a joke doesn't automatically excuse it, but it's good to be able to recognize whether something is intended as humor or not.
The folks opposed to the gay rights movement all behaved like they were being strong armed. They consistently argued that the right to gay marriage was an attack on traditional marriage, am interference with their rights. I think you may have forgotten the rhetoric involved.
I was here for this. It was before your time, but we did approximately 180,000 threads on the specific topic of gay marriage. I promise I know how those arguments went.
I just reported this post for misinformation and asked the moderators to permanently ban you from the site. I'm also looking into whether I can get you kicked off Twitter and have your US citizenship revoked.
It wasn’t “little hate mobs”, and if you think so then you misunderstand both Arthur Miller and the Red Scare. The threat came not from individuals or mobs of individuals but from The power of the state.
The problem with this for Twitter is how to enforce this. It’s impractical to assess the comedic value of every questionable tweet. As I mentioned earlier, they could decide to exempt or otherwise favor certain users (such as the Babylon Bee and other comedy/satire groups or people) from its policy on misgendering. That also seems messy.
I can’t speak for the arguments here, at least not before my time. But you’re wrong in general.
Exactly. Beyond the terrible pun, the point stands that the anti gay folks made themselves out to be the victims- which is hardly unique for these type of movements.
The Hollywood Blacklist exists today. How many in the business talk about their conservative values? One of my best friends is in the business and most will get blackballed if it were known they were a Republican.
The Hollywood Blacklist involved the FBI, at the direction of J Edgar Hoover, approaching studios and warning them who Communists were suspected of being, and pressuring executives to fire them and refuse to hire them.
If they really believe that (I haven’t heard it from them) then they’re whiners.
Can I just say thank you for this post. I have had many thoughts regarding the rigid intolerance present in woke/cancel culture, but using the word "fundamentalism" finally allowed me to evolve on this topic.
And even then, Mel Gibson is in six movies with 2021 or 2022 release dates.
Woke can be intolerant in terms of attitude, especially young people (I see it in my daughters.) And yes it be fundamentalist. Ivan is perfectly correct to make such comparisons.
Yes, it's all quite similar to my feelings regarding religious people that I know. I lived that life before and am so closely acquainted with it; it's startling to realize there's a secular version of fundamentalism, but here we are.
