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[NMYMND]

Austin now suspended indefinitely.

http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-footb.../090110aaa.html

I've been waiting to post here because I've had no real news other than what my friends with "connections" have provided. But I exchanged some e-mails earlier today with someone and immediately told some guys in the office to grab LSU at -1.5 as quickly as they could. This likely will be the first of a few announcements in the next day or so that will make anti-UNC people very happy.

 

[pantherclub]

One down and a ton more to go.

From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

 

[TobiasFunke]

One down and a ton more to go.From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

I assume you mean Tharrington Smith, which handles lots of things other than criminal law according to their website, and is comprised of more than one person, despite your reference to a "high profile criminal attorney." So, not sure why you think that's significant.Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

 

[pantherclub]

One down and a ton more to go.From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

I assume you mean Tharrington Smith, which handles lots of things other than criminal law according to their website, and is comprised of more than one person, despite your reference to a "high profile criminal attorney." So, not sure why you think that's significant.Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

I will see your Chris Washburn and raise you one Marvin Austin. Marvin Austin is going to put UNC football in the stone ages. Thats cute you make fun of someones degree but I dont expect anything less from your fans. Lets compare starting salaries out of school for undergrads and see what you think then. There is nothing good when you have guys like Roger Harris on your campus giving advice. There is still a long way to go and the best part is you guys play prime time Saturday night and the whole time the announcers will be discussing the scandal. That has to sting.***edit to say: Just found out your entire starting defense was practicing with the scout team today. This is literally getting better by the minute.

 

[SecondCity34]

One down and a ton more to go.

From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

I assume you mean Tharrington Smith, which handles lots of things other than criminal law according to their website, and is comprised of more than one person, despite your reference to a "high profile criminal attorney." So, not sure why you think that's significant.

Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

"Speaking of N.C. State, the revelations that 6-11 freshman Chris Washburn--currently off the team because he stole a stereo from another student in December--scored 470 on the college boards seems to have gotten to Coach Jim Valvano.Normally Mr. Media, Valvano reacted angrily when a local TV crew showed up in his office the next day. Valvano cursed at the crew, put his hand over the camera, ordered them out of the building and stomped away angrily. The TV station aired the incident.

Chancellor Bruce Poultrie has given Valvano the authority to decide whether Washburn will return to the team. Washburn's interview with a sympathetic Al McGuire on NBC last weekend may have been the first step in justifying his return to the team."

Believe me, I am sure there are plenty of less than academically average student-athletes at Carolina (which is most of the reason for this whole mess Carolina is in), but c'mon.....470?

I have to admit that I am surprised at all of the allegations that have come to light, but with that being said, Carolina should not just suspend, but kick everyone off the team who has had any dealings with agents, had papers written for them, etc. Butch, Blake, and even Baddour (given the obvious lack of "institutional control" and the fact that he hired Butch) should be gone, at the very least.

This just shows that Carolina is not one of the "big boys" in college football (at least, not until after Carolina hires Bill Cowher as head coach...okay, an obvious pipe dream) and the lack of knowing how to deal with such pre-season hype clearly demonstrates that Carolina is currently not ready to step into the upper echelon of college football programs now and likely for many years to come.

I am certainly still a fan (and am always an alum), but sometimes when you mess with the bull (hiring a big-name coach to try to get your program to take that next step) you get the horns.

 

[pantherclub]

One down and a ton more to go.

From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

I assume you mean Tharrington Smith, which handles lots of things other than criminal law according to their website, and is comprised of more than one person, despite your reference to a "high profile criminal attorney." So, not sure why you think that's significant.

Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

"Speaking of N.C. State, the revelations that 6-11 freshman Chris Washburn--currently off the team because he stole a stereo from another student in December--scored 470 on the college boards seems to have gotten to Coach Jim Valvano.Normally Mr. Media, Valvano reacted angrily when a local TV crew showed up in his office the next day. Valvano cursed at the crew, put his hand over the camera, ordered them out of the building and stomped away angrily. The TV station aired the incident.

Chancellor Bruce Poultrie has given Valvano the authority to decide whether Washburn will return to the team. Washburn's interview with a sympathetic Al McGuire on NBC last weekend may have been the first step in justifying his return to the team."

Believe me, I am sure there are plenty of less than academically average student-athletes at Carolina (which is most of the reason for this whole mess Carolina is in), but c'mon.....470?

I have to admit that I am surprised at all of the allegations that have come to light, but with that being said, Carolina should not just suspend, but kick everyone off the team who has had any dealings with agents, had papers written for them, etc. Butch, Blake, and even Baddour (given the obvious lack of "institutional control" and the fact that he hired Butch) should be gone, at the very least.

This just shows that Carolina is not one of the "big boys" in college football (at least, not until after Carolina hires Bill Cowher as head coach...okay, an obvious pipe dream) and the lack of knowing how to deal with such pre-season hype clearly demonstrates that Carolina is currently not ready to step into the upper echelon of college football programs now and likely for many years to come.

I am certainly still a fan (and am always an alum), but sometimes when you mess with the bull (hiring a big-name coach to try to get your program to take that next step) you get the horns.

You know what is funny? UNC wanted Washburn just as bad as NC State. So what does that tell you?

 

[SecondCity34]

One down and a ton more to go.

From what I heard today there is still another snowball coming down the hill. UNC has retained Harrington and Smith of Raleigh NC. A very very high profile criminal attorney. Ruh roh shaggy. This gets better with each passing minute.

I assume you mean Tharrington Smith, which handles lots of things other than criminal law according to their website, and is comprised of more than one person, despite your reference to a "high profile criminal attorney." So, not sure why you think that's significant.

Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

"Speaking of N.C. State, the revelations that 6-11 freshman Chris Washburn--currently off the team because he stole a stereo from another student in December--scored 470 on the college boards seems to have gotten to Coach Jim Valvano.Normally Mr. Media, Valvano reacted angrily when a local TV crew showed up in his office the next day. Valvano cursed at the crew, put his hand over the camera, ordered them out of the building and stomped away angrily. The TV station aired the incident.

Chancellor Bruce Poultrie has given Valvano the authority to decide whether Washburn will return to the team. Washburn's interview with a sympathetic Al McGuire on NBC last weekend may have been the first step in justifying his return to the team."

Believe me, I am sure there are plenty of less than academically average student-athletes at Carolina (which is most of the reason for this whole mess Carolina is in), but c'mon.....470?

I have to admit that I am surprised at all of the allegations that have come to light, but with that being said, Carolina should not just suspend, but kick everyone off the team who has had any dealings with agents, had papers written for them, etc. Butch, Blake, and even Baddour (given the obvious lack of "institutional control" and the fact that he hired Butch) should be gone, at the very least.

This just shows that Carolina is not one of the "big boys" in college football (at least, not until after Carolina hires Bill Cowher as head coach...okay, an obvious pipe dream) and the lack of knowing how to deal with such pre-season hype clearly demonstrates that Carolina is currently not ready to step into the upper echelon of college football programs now and likely for many years to come.

I am certainly still a fan (and am always an alum), but sometimes when you mess with the bull (hiring a big-name coach to try to get your program to take that next step) you get the horns.

You know what is funny? UNC wanted Washburn just as bad as NC State. So what does that tell you?

That Carolina realized what a dumb ### he was, didn't think he would be eligible, and pulled back on his recruitment?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

All of this just reinforces for me how stupid the whole "stretchgate" investigate was at Michigan. I mean seriously you have to be kidding me.

 

[SecondCity34]

All of this just reinforces for me how stupid the whole "stretchgate" investigate was at Michigan. I mean seriously you have to be kidding me.

Agreed.

 

[omally]

Of course, basic reading comprehension and writing skills are probably too much to ask from a graduate of the university that once admitted Chris Washburn.

You are no better than pantherclub with your insults.

 

[Eastwood]

This thread is only going to get better and better

 

[pantherclub]

This thread is only going to get better and better

For everyone except UNC fans yes. I keep hearing other sports may be involved *cough cough Basketball Cough cough*

 

[Dungeon Master]

This would really be a good place to get information on an interesting story, if it wasn't for all the gleeful posters bringing zero to the table in here.

 

[randall146]

This thread is only going to get better and better

For everyone except UNC fans yes. I keep hearing other sports may be involved *cough cough Basketball Cough cough*

Here's one Dukie who hopes Carolina basketball isn't involved.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This thread is only going to get better and better

For everyone except UNC fans yes. I keep hearing other sports may be involved *cough cough Basketball Cough cough*

Here's one Dukie who hopes Carolina basketball isn't involved.

Nice to see some classy posters in here. Thanks.

 

[pantherclub]

This thread is only going to get better and better

For everyone except UNC fans yes. I keep hearing other sports may be involved *cough cough Basketball Cough cough*

Here's one Dukie who hopes Carolina basketball isn't involved.

Nice to see some classy posters in here. Thanks.

I hope the football and basketball program get the death penalty. There is nothing classy about that. I am sure if you asked a Buckeye fan the same question about Michigan you would get the same response.

 

[NMYMND]

A few points from a UNC alum:

1. Forget the agents. The academic issue is the worst part of this. And forget the NCAA; I give an exasperated sigh every time an NCAA official uses the phrase "student-athlete" in a manner where they try to sound like they actually care about the players as students first. Primarily, this is a university issue. That may sound arrogant, and there are gray areas of the academic expectations of some athletes who are obviously in school to prepare for a pro career, but I still like to believe that students follow the honor code and that it means something. On the other hand, I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the university had ever investigated my fraternity. We did not have tutors providing help, but we had access to a decent library of papers and tests left by past members. Use of some of that material, or how that material was used, may have crossed a line.

2. I'm amazed at how little play this is getting outside of North Carolina, the ESPNU crawl and a few message boards. I live in DC and just spent a week in Charleston on vacation. The Washington Post has never covered this issue outside of its sports briefs, and for a week in South Carolina, all I read in the Charleston paper was about the other USC and the potential impact of the agent involvement on the Gamecocks. Lesson - I overestimated the expectations and reputation of UNC football (and I don't think I was aiming wildly high), but most of the nation doesn't care.

3. Regardless of punishment, it seems like unless the entire UNC athletic department is shut down, there will be cries from some corner that UNC received favorable treatment. Don't know what to do about that or really fully comment until the situation is resolved. And I know nothing about this issue "spreading" to other teams, but when in school, it was hard to hear the rumors about what athletes did and did not do academically.

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Minor point - This was the worst possible time for The Bylaw Blog to be shutdown. Would have been nice to see some thoughtful, analytical, impartial perspective on this.

And a P.S. - there is major irony for Saturday's game. UNC is playing an SEC school in a nationally televised game and the scandal talk will revolve entirely around the Tar Heels. For a better perspective on a similar situation, go back to Feinstein's "Season on the Brink" and read the part about Alford being suspended for the Indiana-Kentucky game.

A lot of rambling, but just more a little something to kill the time because I can't sleep. Feel free to rip away.

 

[Ninersfan]

A few points from a UNC alum:

1. Forget the agents. The academic issue is the worst part of this. And forget the NCAA; I give an exasperated sigh every time an NCAA official uses the phrase "student-athlete" in a manner where they try to sound like they actually care about the players as students first. Primarily, this is a university issue. That may sound arrogant, and there are gray areas of the academic expectations of some athletes who are obviously in school to prepare for a pro career, but I still like to believe that students follow the honor code and that it means something. On the other hand, I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the university had ever investigated my fraternity. We did not have tutors providing help, but we had access to a decent library of papers and tests left by past members. Use of some of that material, or how that material was used, may have crossed a line.

2. I'm amazed at how little play this is getting outside of North Carolina, the ESPNU crawl and a few message boards. I live in DC and just spent a week in Charleston on vacation. The Washington Post has never covered this issue outside of its sports briefs, and for a week in South Carolina, all I read in the Charleston paper was about the other USC and the potential impact of the agent involvement on the Gamecocks. Lesson - I overestimated the expectations and reputation of UNC football (and I don't think I was aiming wildly high), but most of the nation doesn't care.

3. Regardless of punishment, it seems like unless the entire UNC athletic department is shut down, there will be cries from some corner that UNC received favorable treatment. Don't know what to do about that or really fully comment until the situation is resolved. And I know nothing about this issue "spreading" to other teams, but when in school, it was hard to hear the rumors about what athletes did and did not do academically.

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Minor point - This was the worst possible time for The Bylaw Blog to be shutdown. Would have been nice to see some thoughtful, analytical, impartial perspective on this.

And a P.S. - there is major irony for Saturday's game. UNC is playing an SEC school in a nationally televised game and the scandal talk will revolve entirely around the Tar Heels. For a better perspective on a similar situation, go back to Feinstein's "Season on the Brink" and read the part about Alford being suspended for the Indiana-Kentucky game.

A lot of rambling, but just more a little something to kill the time because I can't sleep. Feel free to rip away.

As a State fan I have no problem feeling glee about this situation. Other fan bases smirked when Davis was hired even moreso when the 'rumors' about Blake trickled out. We noted that certain top recruits 'magically' began choosing the heels over powerhouse programs and wondered what could cause such rapid success. Any suggestion by rival fans that UNC was in any cheating were met with the standard flippant responses and cute retorts. "The Carolina Way" is always brought up to not only remind us that UNC us somehow better than everyone else but that the entire university including it's fanbase is on some morale high ground.

The remaining kids that were not involved in any of this are the ones that I feel a small sense of sorrow for. They truly thought they had a chance at a magical season and now they may end up with a season from ****. And toss in the fact that this gives the conference as a whole a black eye as well.

I just wish State would play UNC this weekend. Wilson and our offense would have a field day. Of course they've had a field day against the starters over the past few years anyway.

Reports from Joe Schad's (ESPN) twitter account indicate that UNC is preparting to go without up to 16 players including its top 3 RBs. Also Quinn may have some agent involved as well.

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[pantherclub]

I hope you UNC guys enjoyed Butch in his short time in Chapel Hill. Its about 50/50 he makes it to the end of the year and 100% chance he is done at the end and then the program once known as UNC football will be blasted into the dark ages. No more Marvin Austins, no more Dwight Jones. Think Les Robinson at NC State but multiple that by about 50. I feel nothing but joy in my heart today.

 

[Eastwood]

Its really hard to respect Roy Williams or Butch Davis. Both are proven cheaters, and have no class. Its quite a change from the Dean Smith years. You couldn't NOT respect Dean. He ran a clean program, he controlled his kids, he was a great coach.

 

[pantherclub]

Its really hard to respect Roy Williams or Butch Davis. Both are proven cheaters, and have no class. Its quite a change from the Dean Smith years. You couldn't NOT respect Dean. He ran a clean program, he controlled his kids, he was a great coach.

I hear what you are saying man, but I think Dean knew had to play the game as well.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Looks like someone learned nothing from his extended vacation

 

[Sammy3469]

I'll just say that I think you're living in a bubble if you don't think State fans would take immense glee in this. The story emerging is that Davis and Burke basically recruited a bunch of guys paid for with agents money and then had Davis's handpicked tutor do schoolwork for the guys to keep them eligible. If you don't think people are going to give it back to you after years (decades?) of every "inferior" inference being made about State (especially after the Valvano years) you're living in a fantasy world.

Gwtting back to what's actually happening, as bad as the NCAA hit USC there's no reason they shouldn't hit UNC harder. Here at least it looks like the powers that be certainly had a hand in what was going on (and FWIW the rumor is the NCAA was back this week looking at the athletic department finances). The Austin suspension (or should I say, the way he was suspended) is a joke and won't do anything to satsify the NCAA.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is all you need to know about NC and NCS.

Admission rates: NC 34%, NCS 61%

SAT Scores: NC 1780-2070, NCS 1590-1880 (25th-75th percentile)

People really should stop busting on State about Washburn. He obviously met the admission requirements at State with some room to spare.

I really do understand the venom coming from the States fans. Classic signs of an inferiority complex.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Its really hard to respect Roy Williams or Butch Davis. Both are proven cheaters, and have no class. Its quite a change from the Dean Smith years. You couldn't NOT respect Dean. He ran a clean program, he controlled his kids, he was a great coach.

Dean was an excellent coach, but his program wasn't always clean. Also I think you'd find a lot of State fans that don't have a lot of respect for him ever since he lost the recruiting battle for David Thompson, Burleson, and Towe, and he found out Thompson played a friendly pickup game before the season started, so he ratted Thompson and State out to the NCAA. State went undefeated that year, but weren't allowed to play in the NCAA Tournament. More than likely they would have won back to back NCAA Championships had Dean not snitched. You may also find some Maryland fans that know Dean's program wasn't clean. Dean also covered up some DUI's, including one of his own. He was an untouchable.

 

[pantherclub]

This is all you need to know about NC and NCS.Admission rates: NC 34%, NCS 61%SAT Scores: NC 1780-2070, NCS 1590-1880 (25th-75th percentile)People really should stop busting on State about Washburn. He obviously met the admission requirements at State with some room to spare.I really do understand the venom coming from the States fans. Classic signs of an inferiority complex.

Lets look at starting salaries and see what you think there.

 

[meanjoegreen]

This is all you need to know about NC and NCS.

Admission rates: NC 34%, NCS 61%

SAT Scores: NC 1780-2070, NCS 1590-1880 (25th-75th percentile)

People really should stop busting on State about Washburn. He obviously met the admission requirements at State with some room to spare.

I really do understand the venom coming from the States fans. Classic signs of an inferiority complex.

Why do you always chose to bash NC State, when you hardly know anything about them. I think you are an App fan, yet you always back UNC, even though they refuse to play App State from the fear of being beat by a team they perceive as beneath them.This is an article last year from APPFootball.com site. Read it

 

[pantherclub]

This is all you need to know about NC and NCS.Admission rates: NC 34%, NCS 61%SAT Scores: NC 1780-2070, NCS 1590-1880 (25th-75th percentile)People really should stop busting on State about Washburn. He obviously met the admission requirements at State with some room to spare.I really do understand the venom coming from the States fans. Classic signs of an inferiority complex.

Why do you always chose to bash NC State, when you hardly know anything about them. I think you are an App fan, yet you always back UNC, even though they refuse to play App State from the fear of being beat by a team they perceive as beneath them.

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

People can be fans of athletic program(s) without having attended the school itself.

 

[Tiger Fan]

at all you sword fighters

Y'all just need to get a room and take out all your sexual frustration on each other

 

[pantherclub]

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

People can be fans of athletic program(s) without having attended the school itself.

So he is knocking on the academic standards of NC State and comparing them to UNC but he didnt go to UNC? You dont see the irony in this?

 

[TobiasFunke]

UNC's Williams says hoops team has not had contact with tutor under investigation

CHAPEL HILL – North Carolina coach Roy Williams said Thursday morning that his basketball players have not had contact with the tutor who is being investigated for possible academic misconduct with football players.

In an interview with The News & Observer, Williams said no one can ever be 100 percent sure that the school’s academic investigation won’t carry over to other programs.

“But I have, since the news has been out there, checked with our people to see if we had anybody involved with that specific tutor; is this something that I’m going to get a call about in the middle of the night?” he said. “And I’ve been assured that it’s not going to be a call I’m going get in the middle of the night, and I’ve been assured that there has not been any contact with that particular tutor. That’s as far as I can go; that’s as far as they want me to ask. They want me to keep my nose out of it, and I’m trying to do that – and gladly doing that, to be honest with you.”

...

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[meanjoegreen]

at all you sword fightersY'all just need to get a room and take out all your sexual frustration on each other

Doesn't LSU have rivals they jaw with?

 

[regularguy]

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Dude, it's a rivalry. Some people are more into it than others. I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but you better believe I cheer every scandal that hits my school's rival. My buddies who are fans of that school do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. It's what we do, but we're all still friends.

 

[TobiasFunke]

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Dude, it's a rivalry. Some people are more into it than others. I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but you better believe I cheer every scandal that hits my school's rival. My buddies who are fans of that school do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. It's what we do, but we're all still friends.

I think that's weird to a lot of ACC fans, or at least it is to me. Many of us grew up rooting for the other ACC teams in the NCAA tournament once our team was eliminated. There were exceptions, like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State, but the basic idea is that you support the conference. I root for NC State when they're not playing an ACC opponent- hell, I even root for Duke football out of conference sometimes. And right or wrong, lots of us like to think the conference is "classier" or has higher standards than the other major conferences- I remember everyone looking down on the foul-heavy Big East and its brand of the game, and chuckling to ourselves about the schools who were protesting Prop 48, and to this day I'd be surprised if any ACC team hired a guy like, say, John Calipari, although I'm sure some of the lower-tier programs would be tempted if the opportunity arose.So even when you're talking about those rivalries where you can't support the other school's teams, you at least hope that they're doing things the right way. I was legitimately disappointed when the stuff about Valvano's program came out, and when Maryland got hit with penalties after Driesell left. Myron Piggie, I'll admit I had a bit of schadenfraude since Duke was getting a lot of press for doing things "the right way," but now that it's happened once I definitely don't wish further ill on Duke athletics. So it's weird to me to hear ACC people relishing the damage to the conference's reputation. Especially since it's just UNC football, which nobody really cares that much about anyway. How can you enjoy the ACC reputation being permanently damaged when the program suffering is really just a minor diversion that people in Chapel Hill pass the time with until Midnight Madness arrives? Anyway, just my opinion. Obviously the NC State fans feel differently. I'm sure they have their reasons.

 

[BassNBrew]

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

People can be fans of athletic program(s) without having attended the school itself.

So he is knocking on the academic standards of NC State and comparing them to UNC but he didnt go to UNC? You dont see the irony OBJECTIVITY in this?

Of course not. The only thing NCS leads the conference in is blind homerism.

 

[BassNBrew]

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

People can be fans of athletic program(s) without having attended the school itself.

Yeah...I mean look at the choices around here.That said, I have rooted for Duke football the last two season and Wake Forest soccer.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

People can be fans of athletic program(s) without having attended the school itself.

Yeah...I mean look at the choices around here.That said, I have rooted for Duke football the last two season and Wake Forest soccer.

Missed you at the CHUG draft last weekend.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Dude, it's a rivalry. Some people are more into it than others. I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but you better believe I cheer every scandal that hits my school's rival. My buddies who are fans of that school do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. It's what we do, but we're all still friends.

I think that's weird to a lot of ACC fans, or at least it is to me. Many of us grew up rooting for the other ACC teams in the NCAA tournament once our team was eliminated. There were exceptions, like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State, but the basic idea is that you support the conference. I root for NC State when they're not playing an ACC opponent- hell, I even root for Duke football out of conference sometimes. And right or wrong, lots of us like to think the conference is "classier" or has higher standards than the other major conferences- I remember everyone looking down on the foul-heavy Big East and its brand of the game, and chuckling to ourselves about the schools who were protesting Prop 48, and to this day I'd be surprised if any ACC team hired a guy like, say, John Calipari, although I'm sure some of the lower-tier programs would be tempted if the opportunity arose.So even when you're talking about those rivalries where you can't support the other school's teams, you at least hope that they're doing things the right way. I was legitimately disappointed when the stuff about Valvano's program came out, and when Maryland got hit with penalties after Driesell left. Myron Piggie, I'll admit I had a bit of schadenfraude since Duke was getting a lot of press for doing things "the right way," but now that it's happened once I definitely don't wish further ill on Duke athletics. So it's weird to me to hear ACC people relishing the damage to the conference's reputation. Especially since it's just UNC football, which nobody really cares that much about anyway. How can you enjoy the ACC reputation being permanently damaged when the program suffering is really just a minor diversion that people in Chapel Hill pass the time with until Midnight Madness arrives? Anyway, just my opinion. Obviously the NC State fans feel differently. I'm sure they have their reasons.

Calling BS on some of this. If Coach K had John Calipari accusations thrown at him I'm sure you wouldn't be feeling sorry for him. Also calling BS that UNC fans don't care about football. If that were the case they wouldn't be spending the money they spend on their facilities, coach, players, and tutors. I have nothing against UNC at all but right or wrong I think a lot of ACC fans would love to see them get some penalties because of the perceived Tobacco Road Rules.

 

[meanjoegreen]

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Dude, it's a rivalry. Some people are more into it than others. I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but you better believe I cheer every scandal that hits my school's rival. My buddies who are fans of that school do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. It's what we do, but we're all still friends.

I think that's weird to a lot of ACC fans, or at least it is to me. Many of us grew up rooting for the other ACC teams in the NCAA tournament once our team was eliminated. There were exceptions, like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State, but the basic idea is that you support the conference. I root for NC State when they're not playing an ACC opponent- hell, I even root for Duke football out of conference sometimes. And right or wrong, lots of us like to think the conference is "classier" or has higher standards than the other major conferences- I remember everyone looking down on the foul-heavy Big East and its brand of the game, and chuckling to ourselves about the schools who were protesting Prop 48, and to this day I'd be surprised if any ACC team hired a guy like, say, John Calipari, although I'm sure some of the lower-tier programs would be tempted if the opportunity arose.

Did you grow up in North Carolina? I know you have stated before that you went to grad school at UNC. Where did you go for undergraduate school? I grew up in North Carolina, and the rivalry between State and Carolina has always been hardcore since the 60's. It wasn't weird at all for the two teams and fan bases to loathe each other, yet also love playing each other. It's what rivalries are about. Also based on you saying there were exceptions like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State makes me think you must be definitely younger than 40 years old, because the UNC/Duke and Duke/Maryland rival didn't really become a much a rival until starting in the late 80's.

 

[TobiasFunke]

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Dude, it's a rivalry. Some people are more into it than others. I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but you better believe I cheer every scandal that hits my school's rival. My buddies who are fans of that school do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. It's what we do, but we're all still friends.

I think that's weird to a lot of ACC fans, or at least it is to me. Many of us grew up rooting for the other ACC teams in the NCAA tournament once our team was eliminated. There were exceptions, like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State, but the basic idea is that you support the conference. I root for NC State when they're not playing an ACC opponent- hell, I even root for Duke football out of conference sometimes. And right or wrong, lots of us like to think the conference is "classier" or has higher standards than the other major conferences- I remember everyone looking down on the foul-heavy Big East and its brand of the game, and chuckling to ourselves about the schools who were protesting Prop 48, and to this day I'd be surprised if any ACC team hired a guy like, say, John Calipari, although I'm sure some of the lower-tier programs would be tempted if the opportunity arose.

Did you grow up in North Carolina? I know you have stated before that you went to grad school at UNC. Where did you go for undergraduate school? I grew up in North Carolina, and the rivalry between State and Carolina has always been hardcore since the 60's. It wasn't weird at all for the two teams and fan bases to loathe each other, yet also love playing each other. It's what rivalries are about. Also based on you saying there were exceptions like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State makes me think you must be definitely younger than 40 years old, because the UNC/Duke and Duke/Maryland rival didn't really become a much a rival until starting in the late 80's.

I did grow up in ACC country, but not in NC. So I suppose you're right that I don't have a full frame of reference on the UNC-NC State rivalry. And yeah, I know Duke/Maryland is a little different and doesn't date back very far. I was just trying to think of rivalries where the fans of one school root against the other school no matter what.

I really do think a lot of UNC fans root for NC State in the tournament and in non-conference football games, though. And even the ones that don't, I think many of them would not want to see NC State get hit with more NCAA problems. And even among the people that would want to see that (I'm guessing the over 40 crowd, like you say), I don't think they'd want to see the State football program get in trouble. Since football is a distant second priority for ACC/ North Carolina sports fans anyway, I wouldn't think the damage to the conference reputation would be worth seeing your rival get sanctioned in a sport you don't really care that much about to begin with. But like I said, obviously some NC State fans feel differently.

 

[The Commish]

Wait, are you saying bass didnt graduate from UNC? Please tell me that is not the case.

People can be fans of athletic program(s) without having attended the school itself.

Yeah...I mean look at the choices around here.That said, I have rooted for Duke football the last two season and Wake Forest soccer.

Missed you at the CHUG draft last weekend.

I'm still bitter there is no CHUG II

 

[meanjoegreen]

I did grow up in ACC country, but not in NC. So I suppose you're right that I don't have a full frame of reference on the UNC-NC State rivalry. And yeah, I know Duke/Maryland is a little different and doesn't date back very far. I was just trying to think of rivalries where the fans of one school root against the other school no matter what.

I really do think a lot of UNC fans root for NC State in the tournament and in non-conference football games, though. And even the ones that don't, I think many of them would not want to see NC State get hit with more NCAA problems. And even among the people that would want to see that (I'm guessing the over 40 crowd, like you say), I don't think they'd want to see the State football program get in trouble. Since football is a distant second priority for ACC/ North Carolina sports fans anyway, I wouldn't think the damage to the conference reputation would be worth seeing your rival get sanctioned in a sport you don't really care that much about to begin with. But like I said, obviously some NC State fans feel differently.

NC State football is not a distant second priority for me. I love State football as much as basketball. I disagree on your perception of your fans (of all ages), but it's futile to debate that.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I did grow up in ACC country, but not in NC. So I suppose you're right that I don't have a full frame of reference on the UNC-NC State rivalry. And yeah, I know Duke/Maryland is a little different and doesn't date back very far. I was just trying to think of rivalries where the fans of one school root against the other school no matter what.

I really do think a lot of UNC fans root for NC State in the tournament and in non-conference football games, though. And even the ones that don't, I think many of them would not want to see NC State get hit with more NCAA problems. And even among the people that would want to see that (I'm guessing the over 40 crowd, like you say), I don't think they'd want to see the State football program get in trouble. Since football is a distant second priority for ACC/ North Carolina sports fans anyway, I wouldn't think the damage to the conference reputation would be worth seeing your rival get sanctioned in a sport you don't really care that much about to begin with. But like I said, obviously some NC State fans feel differently.

NC State football is not a distant second priority for me. I love State football as much as basketball. I disagree on your perception of your fans (of all ages), but it's futile to debate that.

Not sure why your personal feelings about NC State football are relevant to your enjoyment of the suffering of UNC football. It's pretty well understood that football is a distant second at UNC, so if the idea is that you take pleasure in your rival's pain, you have to admit that there's a lot less value in seeing UNC football suffer, right?

 

[Tiger Fan]

at all you sword fightersY'all just need to get a room and take out all your sexual frustration on each other

Doesn't LSU have rivals they jaw with?

Of course, but that's why I avoid college message boards at all costs. Absolutely unreadible.

 

[SecondCity34]

4. I don't care about the misguided notion of "classy posters." The most difficult part for me personally has been the reaction of some friends. Many of the alums of other ACC schools simply ask me what's going on (I don't know), and we joke about how "it's just UNC football." But I've had NC State grads that I consider longtime friends - people I've attended games with and cheered for the Pack, people whose weddings I've attended or stood up in - express outright glee at the situation. I had no clue they felt like this, and I can't begin to understand how you come to feel that way. I'm actually not quite sure what to think of it at this point or how to talk to them anymore about sports knowing now what they really think about my school.

Dude, it's a rivalry. Some people are more into it than others. I'm not a fan of either of these schools, but you better believe I cheer every scandal that hits my school's rival. My buddies who are fans of that school do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. It's what we do, but we're all still friends.

I think that's weird to a lot of ACC fans, or at least it is to me. Many of us grew up rooting for the other ACC teams in the NCAA tournament once our team was eliminated. There were exceptions, like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State, but the basic idea is that you support the conference. I root for NC State when they're not playing an ACC opponent- hell, I even root for Duke football out of conference sometimes. And right or wrong, lots of us like to think the conference is "classier" or has higher standards than the other major conferences- I remember everyone looking down on the foul-heavy Big East and its brand of the game, and chuckling to ourselves about the schools who were protesting Prop 48, and to this day I'd be surprised if any ACC team hired a guy like, say, John Calipari, although I'm sure some of the lower-tier programs would be tempted if the opportunity arose.

Did you grow up in North Carolina? I know you have stated before that you went to grad school at UNC. Where did you go for undergraduate school? I grew up in North Carolina, and the rivalry between State and Carolina has always been hardcore since the 60's. It wasn't weird at all for the two teams and fan bases to loathe each other, yet also love playing each other. It's what rivalries are about. Also based on you saying there were exceptions like UNC/Duke, Duke/Maryland, and UNC/NC State makes me think you must be definitely younger than 40 years old, because the UNC/Duke and Duke/Maryland rival didn't really become a much a rival until starting in the late 80's.

I did grow up in ACC country, but not in NC. So I suppose you're right that I don't have a full frame of reference on the UNC-NC State rivalry. And yeah, I know Duke/Maryland is a little different and doesn't date back very far. I was just trying to think of rivalries where the fans of one school root against the other school no matter what.

I really do think a lot of UNC fans root for NC State in the tournament and in non-conference football games, though. And even the ones that don't, I think many of them would not want to see NC State get hit with more NCAA problems. And even among the people that would want to see that (I'm guessing the over 40 crowd, like you say), I don't think they'd want to see the State football program get in trouble. Since football is a distant second priority for ACC/ North Carolina sports fans anyway, I wouldn't think the damage to the conference reputation would be worth seeing your rival get sanctioned in a sport you don't really care that much about to begin with. But like I said, obviously some NC State fans feel differently.

True. And I still will, despite my State friends (and also State fans on this board) giving me a hard time about this scandal. I have no problem rooting for State in some in-conference games, too. Just not against Carolina.While you can never say never, I think whoever says he "hears" that Carolina basketball is involved, too, is kidding himself. It's a way more tight-knit circle of players to watch over than any football program.

 

[SecondCity34]

I think I still have some eligibility left. I may fly down to Atlanta and see if Butch needs me this weekend.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Not sure why your personal feelings about NC State football are relevant to your enjoyment of the suffering of UNC football. It's pretty well understood that football is a distant second at UNC, so if the idea is that you take pleasure in your rival's pain, you have to admit that there's a lot less value in seeing UNC football suffer, right?

Show me one post in this thread where I expressed enjoyment of the investigation of UNC football. The reason I stated that NC State football is not a distant second for me is because you said

Since football is a distant second priority for ACC/ North Carolina sports fans anyway,

I've observed that you have put down NC State on numerous occasions. You have thrown insults in this very thread. I'm not sure why you act like you always take the high road, when you take the low ride many times.

 

[Worm]

What should a State fan's reaction be? It's not like I'm throwing parties to celebrate or anything, but I'd be completely lying if I said that I feel bad for them or wish it didn't happen. I'd be truly surprised if Carolina fans wouldn't feel the same way if it were reversed.

 

[BassNBrew]

What should a State fan's reaction be? It's not like I'm throwing parties to celebrate or anything, but I'd be completely lying if I said that I feel bad for them or wish it didn't happen. I'd be truly surprised if Carolina fans wouldn't feel the same way if it were reversed.

Most Carolina fans would yawn and forget about it within the hour.