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Unsubstantiated Rumor: Edwards, Marshall and the Giants! (2 Viewers)

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From Eric, the man behind Big Blue Interactive, the best Giants fan site around. Eric reports to have "good sources" on the Giants and around the NFL, for what it's worth. I hope I'm not out of line just passing this along.

I heard this from a source I trust.

There has been talk of a three way deal involving the Giants, the Browns, and the Broncos.

Marshall to Cleveland, Anderson to Denver, and a Giants' WR plus a draft pick for Braylon Edwards.

Don't shoot the messenger. You guys have said you appreciate hearing rumors, even if they don't pan out.
Edit to add: In the past some of his rumors pan out and some don't FWIW.
 
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Wow that is a lot for Cleveland to give up to get a headcase...That Giants draft pick would have to be pretty high

 
Broncos get a QB that can't start for CLE.... for Marshall. Yep, I see that happening. :confused:
Since we live in a world with poor grammar, it's hard to tell exactly what the deal is here. It's possible the Giants WR and draft pick would go to Denver. I doubt Cleveland would get Marshall, a NYG WR, and a draft pick for Edwards.
 
Broncos get a QB that can't start for CLE.... for Marshall. Yep, I see that happening. :confused:
I don't want Marshall on my team, and I'm only a fan.This isn't fantasy, it's real life. Think Mangini wants that kind of player on his team? He got rid of Winslow and Winslow was 30x the pro that Marshall is.Denver would be lucky to get Anderson for him at this point. The guy gives cancer cancer. Plus, he's an arrest away from a large suspension.
 
I don't understand this trade, if it happens.

I can see DEN wanting a QB, considering their injuries right now. I can't see them giving up Marshall for one tho. They get the NYG draft pick and WR right?

CLE would would be replacing Edwards with Marshall. I don't get this one at all. Even tho Edwards dropped a ton of passes last year, talent wise they're similar. Edwards has none of the baggage Marshall does and I'm guessing CLE would also have to give Marshall a new contract?

NYG makes out like bandits if this happens. They give up a draft pick and one of their WR's (who all pretty much suck right now) for Edwards.

 
Maybe Denver gets Anderson + the Giants pick. Otherwise it's just two separate deals for the Browns.

 
The way the OP is worded is that DEN gets Anderson, NYG WR and NYG draft pick. I think.
Yeah, I think I must have misunderstood. Getting just Anderson was goofy.
It sure doesn't read that clear but this is what I make of it:Denver gets: Anderson, Giants unnamed WR + Giants unnamed pick

Cleveland gets: Marshall

Giants get: Edwards
That's the way I read it too.Funny how in both this scenario and the other 3-team trade rumor that the Broncos are obtaining a QB. (Leinart in the other)

Let's see. Denver signs FA Chris Simms. Pursues a trade for Matt Cassel that ultimately drives Cutler out of town while collecting Orton in that scenario.

All the while, it would appear that McDaniels is still trying to gather a QB.

What kind of chess game is this?

But seriously, by all accounts it would appear that Denver has been working some phone lines at a rapid pace today.

 
I don't have a ton of desire to have Edwards, but he has talent, so if they were to land him for a cheap price, I'd be fine with it.

Considering that the rumor all summer was that Cleveland wanted a 2nd rounder and a WR from the Giants for Edwards, and the Giants consistently turned them down, I don't think the draft pick would be that high. I'd have to think a 3rd or lower pick from the Giants end, unless they have had a real change of heart on their WR situation.

If the deal is Manningham and a 3rd rounder, I'd be fine with that. More and I would rather stand pat. My guess is that it would take more then Manningham and a 3rd rounder, so I doubt anything like this happens with the Giants included.

 
Funny how in both this scenario and the other 3-team trade rumor that the Broncos are obtaining a QB. (Leinart in the other)Let's see. Denver signs FA Chris Simms. Pursues a trade for Matt Cassel that ultimately drives Cutler out of town while collecting Orton in that scenario.All the while, it would appear that McDaniels is still trying to gather a QB.What kind of chess game is this?
Orton and Simms are both currently injured. Anderson would be an acceptable backup to Orton if hes healthy and they need a warm body to start if hes not able to go the first couple of weeks. This doesn't make much sense for the Browns at all. Trading Braylon for Marshall straight up does them no good. Its at best a push for them and probably a downgrade.
 
Why exactly would Den want Anderson?
Because not only is Orton hurt but he sucks. Just got up and heard this rumor myself. Additionally, Denver has confirmed that they have been in talks with several teams in an attempt to trade Marshall.
 
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Maybe Mangini is on the accelerated "I think I am and therefore am going to act like Bill Belicek" program.

1) become a head coach and fail- check

2) get another head coaching job- check

3) Rule with an iron fist

4) Win

5) win some more

6) bring in reclamation projects that only you can rehabilitate because after all.....you're Bill Belicek.

Perhaps he's skipping steps 4 and 5

 
Maybe Mangini is on the accelerated "I think I am and therefore am going to act like Bill Belicek" program.1) become a head coach and fail- check2) get another head coaching job- check3) Rule with an iron fist4) Win5) win some more6) bring in reclamation projects that only you can rehabilitate because after all.....you're Bill Belicek.Perhaps he's skipping steps 4 and 5
:2cents:
 
Maybe Mangini is on the accelerated "I think I am and therefore am going to act like Bill Belicek" program.1) become a head coach and fail- check2) get another head coaching job- check3) Rule with an iron fist4) Win5) win some more6) bring in reclamation projects that only you can rehabilitate because after all.....you're Bill Belicek.Perhaps he's skipping steps 4 and 5
:2cents:
thats nothing. Josh McDaniels already skipped to step 36, run off your franchise QB.
 
Maybe Mangini is on the accelerated "I think I am and therefore am going to act like Bill Belicek" program.1) become a head coach and fail- check2) get another head coaching job- check3) Rule with an iron fist4) Win5) win some more6) bring in reclamation projects that only you can rehabilitate because after all.....you're Bill Belicek.Perhaps he's skipping steps 4 and 5
:thumbup:
:goodposting: Pure gold I tell ya!
 
Sounds like yet another internet forum "insider" hack to me. :rolleyes:

He's just throwing some against the wall here. The deal makes zero sense unless you are a fan of the team getting the rake.

 
I would think that Jerry Reese has earned the opportunity to make the move he feels is in the best interest of the team and organization - he has basically had Midas' touch since taking over. If I were a Giants fan, I would trust this guy to continue to make (or not make) such moves.

Personal opinion - I don't think this gets done.

 
TLEF316 said:
JuSt CuZ said:
TLEF316 said:
Maybe Mangini is on the accelerated "I think I am and therefore am going to act like Bill Belicek" program.1) become a head coach and fail- check2) get another head coaching job- check3) Rule with an iron fist4) Win5) win some more6) bring in reclamation projects that only you can rehabilitate because after all.....you're Bill Belicek.Perhaps he's skipping steps 4 and 5
:goodposting:
thats nothing. Josh McDaniels already skipped to step 36, run off your franchise QB.
This is a nice analysis from a Jets fan who has had to deal with Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini and Mike Tannenbaum so he knows all about organizations that have seen failure from the top down . It remains to be seen how good a coach Rex Ryan is. Last time the Patriots saw him he was calling a panicked time out to help preserve their record 16 game winning streak. We know he talks a good game; let's see if he can coach one.Oh, and how did that Pennington for Favre transition work out last year; fail-check, fail-check, etc., etc.......
 
TLEF316 said:
JuSt CuZ said:
TLEF316 said:
Maybe Mangini is on the accelerated "I think I am and therefore am going to act like Bill Belicek" program.1) become a head coach and fail- check2) get another head coaching job- check3) Rule with an iron fist4) Win5) win some more6) bring in reclamation projects that only you can rehabilitate because after all.....you're Bill Belicek.Perhaps he's skipping steps 4 and 5
:wolf:
thats nothing. Josh McDaniels already skipped to step 36, run off your franchise QB.
This is a nice analysis from a Jets fan who has had to deal with Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini and Mike Tannenbaum so he knows all about organizations that have seen failure from the top down . It remains to be seen how good a coach Rex Ryan is. Last time the Patriots saw him he was calling a panicked time out to help preserve their record 16 game winning streak. We know he talks a good game; let's see if he can coach one.Oh, and how did that Pennington for Favre transition work out last year; fail-check, fail-check, etc., etc.......
neither Mangini or McDaniels are affiliated with the Patriots anymore. Hell, neither one of them held a significant role with team for an extended period of time. I understand your desire to defend members of the Belicek coaching tree, but i think any rational person would admit that both guys badly miscalculated how you can act as a first time head coach. Belicek is a tremendous coach who has earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants when it comes to BS injury reports, organizational control, ect. He's won, so he's earned it. No question about it. The other 2 havent, which is why they both come off like D-Bags. McDaniels has turned the Broncos from one of the NFL's model franchises into a total punch line in only a few months. An Tannenbaum is far from a failure. The Favre move was a semi-disaster (although they were 8-3 at one point last year) and Gholston is still very much up in the air. But other than that, his drafting has been outstanding and the FA's he's brought in have done what we've expected. And if you seriously thought the Jets were going to get to the promised land with Pennington, you dont know football, regardless of what team you're a fan of.
 
T Bell said:
Why exactly would Den want Anderson?
Are you sitting down? Ok, ready?

Their top QB is are Kyle Orton and Chris Simms, who has a high ankle sprain, while Orton recovers from what the Denver Post is saying is an "open dislocation." to his throwing hand Link
Fixed.
 
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We can make up, or report ideas others make up, all day every day on Marshall. But he is at least arguably Denver's best offensive player and I don't think they have any interest in giving him away. The Broncs were incredibly lame in dealing with an immature Cutler, but I don't think they feel like they are on the run or are looking to do something else excedingly stupid. They know first hand that there are few if any (non-Megatrom) WRs in football that exceed Marshall's potential.

Because Marshall is a headcase, they might devalue him a little bit in trade talks, but I think the plan is to give him some time to think about his career and adjust, maybe requiring a 4 game regular season suspension if this short one doesn't get his full attention, and then to keep him as a part of the team. I think the hope is that as the year develops, some good things to happen with the Orton - Marshall connection and that he'll decide to re-sign.

They might trade him for fair value, but I doubt anyone would give that in light if the off-field concerns. I just don't think there is any fire sale posted by Bronco management. (But I'm ready to eat my words if Denver management is actually as clueless and inept as they have appeared so far in the post-Shannahan mailstrom.)

 
We can make up, or report ideas others make up, all day every day on Marshall. But he is at least arguably Denver's best offensive player and I don't think they have any interest in giving him away. The Broncs were incredibly lame in dealing with an immature Cutler, but I don't think they feel like they are on the run or are looking to do something else excedingly stupid. They know first hand that there are few if any (non-Megatrom) WRs in football that exceed Marshall's potential.Because Marshall is a headcase, they might devalue him a little bit in trade talks, but I think the plan is to give him some time to think about his career and adjust, maybe requiring a 4 game regular season suspension if this short one doesn't get his full attention, and then to keep him as a part of the team. I think the hope is that as the year develops, some good things to happen with the Orton - Marshall connection and that he'll decide to re-sign.They might trade him for fair value, but I doubt anyone would give that in light if the off-field concerns. I just don't think there is any fire sale posted by Bronco management. (But I'm ready to eat my words if Denver management is actually as clueless and inept as they have appeared so far in the post-Shannahan mailstrom.)
You're ruining a good speculation thread with facts and reason; please stop.
 
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We can make up, or report ideas others make up, all day every day on Marshall. But he is at least arguably Denver's best offensive player and I don't think they have any interest in giving him away. The Broncs were incredibly lame in dealing with an immature Cutler, but I don't think they feel like they are on the run or are looking to do something else excedingly stupid. They know first hand that there are few if any (non-Megatrom) WRs in football that exceed Marshall's potential.Because Marshall is a headcase, they might devalue him a little bit in trade talks, but I think the plan is to give him some time to think about his career and adjust, maybe requiring a 4 game regular season suspension if this short one doesn't get his full attention, and then to keep him as a part of the team. I think the hope is that as the year develops, some good things to happen with the Orton - Marshall connection and that he'll decide to re-sign.They might trade him for fair value, but I doubt anyone would give that in light if the off-field concerns. I just don't think there is any fire sale posted by Bronco management. (But I'm ready to eat my words if Denver management is actually as clueless and inept as they have appeared so far in the post-Shannahan mailstrom.)
You're ruining a good speculation thread with facts and reason; please stop.
Thought reporting messages and rumors is what this is about, discussion on possiblities!No one has said he has signed with anybody, just the rumors there hearing!
 
T Bell said:
Why exactly would Den want Anderson?
Are you sitting down? Ok, ready? Their top QB's are Kyle Orton and Chris Simms.
agreed.Anderson is an uprade @ QB for Denver.what i dont understand, is why CLE would want to swap out Braylon for Marshall, and lose Anderson in the process. having Ando and Quinn at QB gives them flexibility and very good depth at the position.
 
We can make up, or report ideas others make up, all day every day on Marshall. But he is at least arguably Denver's best offensive player and I don't think they have any interest in giving him away. The Broncs were incredibly lame in dealing with an immature Cutler, but I don't think they feel like they are on the run or are looking to do something else excedingly stupid. They know first hand that there are few if any (non-Megatrom) WRs in football that exceed Marshall's potential.Because Marshall is a headcase, they might devalue him a little bit in trade talks, but I think the plan is to give him some time to think about his career and adjust, maybe requiring a 4 game regular season suspension if this short one doesn't get his full attention, and then to keep him as a part of the team. I think the hope is that as the year develops, some good things to happen with the Orton - Marshall connection and that he'll decide to re-sign.They might trade him for fair value, but I doubt anyone would give that in light if the off-field concerns. I just don't think there is any fire sale posted by Bronco management. (But I'm ready to eat my words if Denver management is actually as clueless and inept as they have appeared so far in the post-Shannahan mailstrom.)
You're ruining a good speculation thread with facts and reason; please stop.
Thought reporting messages and rumors is what this is about, discussion on possiblities!No one has said he has signed with anybody, just the rumors there hearing!
Your :goodposting: meter is broken, I suspect GB.
 
Skipping over reading through this thread ... but ISTM that the Giants themselves can use Marshall's services. Do the Giants, with their recent success, have that "magic" kind of locker room New England does? The kind of locker room that turns head cases back into solid players? Is the eased-up (relatively) Tom Coughlin a steadying influence?

 
Skipping over reading through this thread ... but ISTM that the Giants themselves can use Marshall's services. Do the Giants, with their recent success, have that "magic" kind of locker room New England does? The kind of locker room that turns head cases back into solid players? Is the eased-up (relatively) Tom Coughlin a steadying influence?
Check on that with Plaxico when he gets out of prison.
 
T Bell said:
Why exactly would Den want Anderson?
Are you sitting down? Ok, ready?

Their top QB's are Kyle Orton and Chris Simms.
agreed.Anderson is an uprade @ QB for Denver.

what i dont understand, is why CLE would want to swap out Braylon for Marshall, and lose Anderson in the process. having Ando and Quinn at QB gives them flexibility and very good depth at the position.
:goodposting: Aside from the fact that NFL trades are difficult, and three-way trades involving stars even more so, that's the reason why this makes no sense.

 
Skipping over reading through this thread ... but ISTM that the Giants themselves can use Marshall's services. Do the Giants, with their recent success, have that "magic" kind of locker room New England does? The kind of locker room that turns head cases back into solid players? Is the eased-up (relatively) Tom Coughlin a steadying influence?
Check on that with Plaxico when he gets out of prison.
:goodposting: Plaxico was producing for the Giants. Playing hurt and everything.

EDIT: still think the Giants making a direct play for Marshall makes on-field sense. Locker-room issues, pending suspension, general bone-headedness ... those are different issues. It wouldn't shock me for the Giants to decide "You know ... we can gamble here. Coughlin is a better handler of men than McDaniels. We're a veteran squad with locker-room leadership and skins on the wall. We can make it work."

 
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Skipping over reading through this thread ... but ISTM that the Giants themselves can use Marshall's services. Do the Giants, with their recent success, have that "magic" kind of locker room New England does? The kind of locker room that turns head cases back into solid players? Is the eased-up (relatively) Tom Coughlin a steadying influence?
Check on that with Plaxico when he gets out of prison.
:thumbdown:Plaxico was producing for the Giants. Playing hurt and everything.
Ummm...how do you square "Shoots self in leg with unregistered handgun" with "has that magic kind of locker room that turns head cases into solid players"? Isn't that the kind of thing that the magic locker room is supposed to prevent?
 
Skipping over reading through this thread ... but ISTM that the Giants themselves can use Marshall's services. Do the Giants, with their recent success, have that "magic" kind of locker room New England does? The kind of locker room that turns head cases back into solid players? Is the eased-up (relatively) Tom Coughlin a steadying influence?
Check on that with Plaxico when he gets out of prison.
:) Plaxico was producing for the Giants. Playing hurt and everything.
Ummm...how do you square "Shoots self in leg with unregistered handgun" with "has that magic kind of locker room that turns head cases into solid players"? Isn't that the kind of thing that the magic locker room is supposed to prevent?
He got Plaxico to be a team player who was a team leader on the field and gave his all and played through some pretty bad leg injuries and showed up big for the Giants just about every week. He was worlds away from the "Plexiglass" of the Steelers days.Turned out he was still a ####### off the fields but Coughlin got him to play tough for the team each and every week.

 
Ummm...how do you square "Shoots self in leg with unregistered handgun" with "has that magic kind of locker room that turns head cases into solid players"? Isn't that the kind of thing that the magic locker room is supposed to prevent?
Plaxico was still a solid on-field player for the Giants at the time of the incident. That crime did not happen on the field -- IOW, it was a different thing that sulking on the sidelines, quitting at practice, developing alligator arms, half-acing routes, etc.I think it would be a mistake for the Giants (or any team) to re-visit Plaxico's situation every time they evaluate players in the future. There aren't enough talented AND stand-up guys like Peyton Manning and Warrick Dunn to go around. Teams have to dip into the knucklehead pool from time to time.
 
Ummm...how do you square "Shoots self in leg with unregistered handgun" with "has that magic kind of locker room that turns head cases into solid players"? Isn't that the kind of thing that the magic locker room is supposed to prevent?
Plaxico was still a solid on-field player for the Giants at the time of the incident. That crime did not happen on the field -- IOW, it was a different thing that sulking on the sidelines, quitting at practice, developing alligator arms, half-acing routes, etc.
OK, so Plaxico was a standout on-field performer.He still manged to completely screw himself and the team over by that rather ill-advised trip to the night club. That is in no way Coughlin's or the team's fault...but it is rather difficult for me to believe that the awesome Giants' team atmosphere is going get Marshall all of a sudden on the straight and narrow.Now prior to this off-season, Brandon Marshall was the same way as Burress. GREAT on-field producer, million-dollar football talent, but ten cents worth of common sense. "Slipping" on McDonald's bags, rampant accusations of beating on his girlfriend, court appearances...It is not just a matter of stopping him from goofing off during practice. Seriously, I think the Broncos are totally boned here. No one is going to give anywhere close to fair value for him, and how much can you trust him to play? Only team I see with a chance of taming Marshall is the Cowboys. They could assign the same crack security force that was on Pacman Jones last year...
 

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