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US Men's National Team (5 Viewers)

What happened?
SA defense that strong? (Gave up last 10 minute goal to France to lose 1-2)....or the US offense that anemic?
US was camped in their end the whole game but could not convert a ton of chances, although I will say there was a lack of clear cut chances.

Just one of those games
 
From Goff

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Of the 26 players invited to USMNT camp …

24 started for clubs this weekend (A. Robinson didn’t play, Balogun was a halftime sub)

23 played 70+ minutes
15 went the distance
 
US plays Italy on the 9th.

Winner gets the winner of Morocco and S Korea.

Brazil ended up last in their group (of death) with 1 point.

Morocco won, Mexico 2nd, Spain 3rd (and advanced).

I'm sure it's happened, but I wonder how rare it is for Brazil to not make it into the knockouts?
This is the first time ever Brazil did not get out of the U20 group stage in a tournament they qualified for, although there have been times they never even qualified.
 
This is very fair given he has never missed before. Another miss and it would be fair to rethink

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Max Allegri following Christian Pulisic’s penalty miss against Juventus

“Pulisic is our penalty taker; missing one doesn’t change anything — it’s his responsibility. I just have to figure out who takes it if he’s not on the pitch.”
 
He was a meme, but he was our meme

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BREAKING: Columbus Crew midfielder and MLS legend Darlington Nagbe is retiring after the 2025 MLS season, per sources.

Nagbe, 35, is a four-time MLS Cup winner (2015, 2018, 2020, 2023) with three clubs (Portland, Atlanta, Columbus).

One of MLS's best-ever midfielders
 
He was a meme, but he was our meme

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BREAKING: Columbus Crew midfielder and MLS legend Darlington Nagbe is retiring after the 2025 MLS season, per sources.

Nagbe, 35, is a four-time MLS Cup winner (2015, 2018, 2020, 2023) with three clubs (Portland, Atlanta, Columbus).

One of MLS's best-ever midfielders
The greatness of the Darlington Nagbe heat map meme is that it was correct in both respects.
 
Sounds like a lot of Arfsten as we expected. I actually don’t mind Arfsten as a wing back, assuming Poch goes 3 in the back again, instead as of a traditional full back. Hopefully Jedi can find his footing before the WC.

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Jedi/Dest, callup/noncallup. Explained to me: "we know Dest. We know he's awesome. Fitness & injuries are a small worry, so we're not going to add to the wear. We haven't seen Jedi for ages. He will have a minutes limitation. He's here mostly for reintegration."
 
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Sounds like a lot of Arfsten as we expected. I actually don’t mind Arfsten as a wing back, assuming Poch goes 3 in the back again, instead as of a traditional full back. Hopefully Jedi can find his footing before the WC.

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Jedi/Dest, callup/noncallup. Explained to me: "we know Dest. We know he's awesome. Fitness & injuries are a small worry, so we're not going to add to the wear. We haven't seen Jedi for ages. He will have a minutes limitation. He's here mostly for reintegration."
I don't mind these approaches really. As long as both are healthy, I'm pretty sure both start in either a 4 man back line or as wing backs.
 
Sounds like a lot of Arfsten as we expected. I actually don’t mind Arfsten as a wing back, assuming Poch goes 3 in the back again, instead as of a traditional full back. Hopefully Jedi can find his footing before the WC.

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Jedi/Dest, callup/noncallup. Explained to me: "we know Dest. We know he's awesome. Fitness & injuries are a small worry, so we're not going to add to the wear. We haven't seen Jedi for ages. He will have a minutes limitation. He's here mostly for reintegration."
I don't mind these approaches really. As long as both are healthy, I'm pretty sure both start in either a 4 man back line or as wing backs.
I'm hoping Dest remembers his defending skills- he's been flat out dreadful to the point where every team I see that's played PSV with him in focus their attacks at him. Poor positioning and weaker man marking/defending skill. he's literally a training cone with guys running/pushing past him repeatedly. this is my eye-test (from PSV and in-person at the US v SKorea game), and not based on any data. That said- if not asked to defend as much, he's looked great going forward.

Sounds like Jedi's lost his starting spot at Fulham? That would be rough heading into the WC. and damn... as much as I love the guy, I'm starting to lean towards Arf offering more on the offensive side of things from the wingback role. I've grown to really like Arf's approach out there- keeping things simple and quick either off the pass or dribble, and the guy has decent skills to get it done when he's playing quick and simple. It remains to be seen for me if he's able to jump up in level vs higher quality
 
Sounds like a lot of Arfsten as we expected. I actually don’t mind Arfsten as a wing back, assuming Poch goes 3 in the back again, instead as of a traditional full back. Hopefully Jedi can find his footing before the WC.

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Jedi/Dest, callup/noncallup. Explained to me: "we know Dest. We know he's awesome. Fitness & injuries are a small worry, so we're not going to add to the wear. We haven't seen Jedi for ages. He will have a minutes limitation. He's here mostly for reintegration."
I don't mind these approaches really. As long as both are healthy, I'm pretty sure both start in either a 4 man back line or as wing backs.
I'm hoping Dest remembers his defending skills- he's been flat out dreadful to the point where every team I see that's played PSV with him in focus their attacks at him. Poor positioning and weaker man marking/defending skill. he's literally a training cone with guys running/pushing past him repeatedly. this is my eye-test (from PSV and in-person at the US v SKorea game), and not based on any data. That said- if not asked to defend as much, he's looked great going forward.

Sounds like Jedi's lost his starting spot at Fulham? That would be rough heading into the WC. and damn... as much as I love the guy, I'm starting to lean towards Arf offering more on the offensive side of things from the wingback role. I've grown to really like Arf's approach out there- keeping things simple and quick either off the pass or dribble, and the guy has decent skills to get it done when he's playing quick and simple. It remains to be seen for me if he's able to jump up in level vs higher quality

I was hoping the Jedi low club minutes were just a simple need for him to be brought back slowly but it does not appear that way any more. Even more strange is the team is playing awful with out him, you think the coach would be willing to make a change just to try something different but I have to assume Jedi has not looked great in training. We have not heard anything about a set back from what I can tell physically.

I believe Arf's back ground is as an offensive winger so I think that is why he looks comfortable going forward. He also plays mostly as wing back at club and not as a full back so the 3 man back line may suit him better as well.

I really hope Poch tries a 3 man back line again and that the US look decent in it again because the team needs some sort of identity as a playing unit.
 
I don't get losing the starting spot for Jedi unless he's really lost a step since the surgery.
this is my fear as well, especially when so much of his game is built on his athleticism.

I will say though the one game I watched where he got extended minutes, he looked like the same guy physically to me but maybe the sample size is too small.

Something is going on. If the team was in the top 1/3 of the table and playing well, I could understand a coach not wanting to screw with chemistry but Fulham are closer to the bottom 3rd and they have not played Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, or Spurs yet.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
@Ramsay Hunt Experience has pointed out that from the rumors, he pissed off Poch with not taking camp as seriously as he should have. I don't think he has been back in camp since the golf cart incident.

Freeman looks to have some potential but with the WC so close, Scally's experience and versatility in a spot where we don't have a lot of depth could be important. Sure, he is not great at getting forward but the US will be on the back foot for some of the WC and having a good defend first full back would be welcomed.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
@Ramsay Hunt Experience has pointed out that from the rumors, he pissed off Poch with not taking camp as seriously as he should have. I don't think he has been back in camp since the golf cart incident.

Freeman looks to have some potential but with the WC so close, Scally's experience and versatility in a spot where we don't have a lot of depth could be important. Sure, he is not great at getting forward but the US will be on the back foot for some of the WC and having a good defend first full back would be welcomed.
yeah... those rumors might be right. I'd just like to know for sure. and Scally has said, while he accepts the coach's decision he's not heard communication from Poch for his exclusion.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
@Ramsay Hunt Experience has pointed out that from the rumors, he pissed off Poch with not taking camp as seriously as he should have. I don't think he has been back in camp since the golf cart incident.

Freeman looks to have some potential but with the WC so close, Scally's experience and versatility in a spot where we don't have a lot of depth could be important. Sure, he is not great at getting forward but the US will be on the back foot for some of the WC and having a good defend first full back would be welcomed.
yeah... those rumors might be right. I'd just like to know for sure. and Scally has said, while he accepts the coach's decision he's not heard communication from Poch for his exclusion.
Remember what was said in the press conference. Poch said that they don’t tell players why they have been called and they don’t tell players why they have not been called, so everyone is left to guess.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
@Ramsay Hunt Experience has pointed out that from the rumors, he pissed off Poch with not taking camp as seriously as he should have. I don't think he has been back in camp since the golf cart incident.

Freeman looks to have some potential but with the WC so close, Scally's experience and versatility in a spot where we don't have a lot of depth could be important. Sure, he is not great at getting forward but the US will be on the back foot for some of the WC and having a good defend first full back would be welcomed.
yeah... those rumors might be right. I'd just like to know for sure. and Scally has said, while he accepts the coach's decision he's not heard communication from Poch for his exclusion.
Remember what was said in the press conference. Poch said that they don’t tell players why they have been called and they don’t tell players why they have not been called, so everyone is left to guess.
Such bad people management. This should be no different than any other job - everyone should know exactly where they stand and what they need to do to get better performance ratings/get promoted to the next level.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
@Ramsay Hunt Experience has pointed out that from the rumors, he pissed off Poch with not taking camp as seriously as he should have. I don't think he has been back in camp since the golf cart incident.

Freeman looks to have some potential but with the WC so close, Scally's experience and versatility in a spot where we don't have a lot of depth could be important. Sure, he is not great at getting forward but the US will be on the back foot for some of the WC and having a good defend first full back would be welcomed.
yeah... those rumors might be right. I'd just like to know for sure. and Scally has said, while he accepts the coach's decision he's not heard communication from Poch for his exclusion.
Remember what was said in the press conference. Poch said that they don’t tell players why they have been called and they don’t tell players why they have not been called, so everyone is left to guess.
Such bad people management. This should be no different than any other job - everyone should know exactly where they stand and what they need to do to get better performance ratings/get promoted to the next level.
I can't even pretend to understand it as it appears to be the exact opposite of what you expect. But the way he said it, with such vindication, made me think maybe this is how he was coached by his national team manager?
 
Sounds like a lot of Arfsten as we expected. I actually don’t mind Arfsten as a wing back, assuming Poch goes 3 in the back again, instead as of a traditional full back. Hopefully Jedi can find his footing before the WC.

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Jedi/Dest, callup/noncallup. Explained to me: "we know Dest. We know he's awesome. Fitness & injuries are a small worry, so we're not going to add to the wear. We haven't seen Jedi for ages. He will have a minutes limitation. He's here mostly for reintegration."
I don't mind these approaches really. As long as both are healthy, I'm pretty sure both start in either a 4 man back line or as wing backs.
I'm hoping Dest remembers his defending skills- he's been flat out dreadful to the point where every team I see that's played PSV with him in focus their attacks at him. Poor positioning and weaker man marking/defending skill. he's literally a training cone with guys running/pushing past him repeatedly. this is my eye-test (from PSV and in-person at the US v SKorea game), and not based on any data. That said- if not asked to defend as much, he's looked great going forward.

Sounds like Jedi's lost his starting spot at Fulham? That would be rough heading into the WC. and damn... as much as I love the guy, I'm starting to lean towards Arf offering more on the offensive side of things from the wingback role. I've grown to really like Arf's approach out there- keeping things simple and quick either off the pass or dribble, and the guy has decent skills to get it done when he's playing quick and simple. It remains to be seen for me if he's able to jump up in level vs higher quality
This so reminds me of the calls a few years back to bench Pulisic for Gio.
I don't get losing the starting spot for Jedi unless he's really lost a step since the surgery.
this is my fear as well, especially when so much of his game is built on his athleticism.

I will say though the one game I watched where he got extended minutes, he looked like the same guy physically to me but maybe the sample size is too small.

Something is going on. If the team was in the top 1/3 of the table and playing well, I could understand a coach not wanting to screw with chemistry but Fulham are closer to the bottom 3rd and they have not played Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, or Spurs yet.
Soccer coaches at every level a mostly morons. Winning is often secondary to making a point.
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
@Ramsay Hunt Experience has pointed out that from the rumors, he pissed off Poch with not taking camp as seriously as he should have. I don't think he has been back in camp since the golf cart incident.

Freeman looks to have some potential but with the WC so close, Scally's experience and versatility in a spot where we don't have a lot of depth could be important. Sure, he is not great at getting forward but the US will be on the back foot for some of the WC and having a good defend first full back would be welcomed.
Anytime anyone has a
:huh: soccer moment, see my post above.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
Yeah didn’t Scally screw around at some golf tournament or something? Something happened in the spring that really turned Poch off and I don’t think it’s about soccer.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
Yeah didn’t Scally screw around at some golf tournament or something? Something happened in the spring that really turned Poch off and I don’t think it’s about soccer.
Improved his lie in the fairway.
 
'm willing to give Arf a shot as a left wing back, but his defending looked poor IMO. I wouldn't want him as a LB in a 4 man back line.
yeah. he's not there for that role, or the US is in trouble.

keep coming back to wtf happened with Scally, who should be a locked in roster guy capable of playing CB or FB, although not ideally suited to be a wingback.
Yeah didn’t Scally screw around at some golf tournament or something? Something happened in the spring that really turned Poch off and I don’t think it’s about soccer.
No one really knows but supposedly from the rumors it happened at camp.

The players some times use golf carts to get from their locker rooms to the playing field, depending on how far away it was and I guess he was goofing around while driving the cart to practice and Poch saw him.
 

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