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NewlyRetired said:
Sargent's coach had a lot to say today, about the mess this summer and Sargent in general.  This is translated but it will give the general idea.

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"I do not feel like he's completely down. It frustrated him, of course, no question, "said Kohfeldt after the first days in training camp. When the time was out, Werder coach grabbed the phone directly, followed by a long conversation with his young attacker. "I offered to give him a little more holiday, after all. Just do not forget that he is really far away from home and his family. You do not even fly over to visit her in an international break or on a day off, "says Kohfeldt. "But he refused. There is now more of a defiance reaction with him, by focusing his attention fully on Bremen. "

Josh Sargent has her with him, this typical American way of thinking. This "we create that" mentality, the irrepressible will to outgrow oneself and counter precipitation as fast as possible. "That suits him well and he has come back very fit", praised Kohfeldt. The results are visible. "He has done a tremendous job in basic science, which is very important to him. After all, we constantly demand the intensity of him over a longer period, even in the defensive area. "

At Werder they are trying to see the situation of Josh Sargent positive. "He is fresh here and attacks," says Florian Kohfeldt. Nonetheless, ignoring it took its toll on him too. "After the prehistory, I already had the feeling that he has a very good chance to ride." As a criticism of US coach Gregg Berhalter, but he does not know understood. "That's not what I'm referring to." Especially as the success was right. Berhalter led his team to the finals of the tournament, but defeated there Mexico on Sunday (0: 1).

For the personal development of his striker Florian Kohfeldt would still have wished for a different outcome. "I would still have liked it if he played the tournament because, like Maximilian and Johannes Eggestein or Marco Friedl, I say that it can be a very important experience for young players." Josh Sargent's conviction In any case, the messed-up summer has not changed any of the qualities. Not at Werder anyway - and probably not on the other side of the pond. "Gregg and I have already been on the phone," says Kohfeldt. "Josh still has a very high regard in the US and the national team. I do not think that's going to make it sustainable now that he's not nominated anymore. "
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If I understand English well enough, it sounds like he's coming back just more determined to prove himself, which is good to hear. I just hope that the tremendous job he did in basic science translates into more foot speed, which to me was probably why Berhalter didn't call him up for the Gold Cup.

 
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Ned said:
Its as simple as you're only as good as you are when you're there.  

I was watching some NBA show and one of the young guns was talking about how he was learning about how to be a good pro when it came to recovery.  It's an often overlooked thing in every sport by us armchair QBs.
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It is especially evident for the US where the depth is not great.

Of course it does lead to opportunities though.  If Yedlin is healthy, Cannon does not get a chance to impress.

That being said, the three amigos(Pulisic, Swag and Adams) need to be healthy as often as possible this cycle.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
If I understand English well enough, it sounds like he's coming back just more determined to prove himself, which is good to hear. I just hope that the tremendous job he did in basic science translates into more foot speed, which to me was probably why Berhalter didn't call him up for the Gold Cup.
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The best part for me was the coach offering him an extra long vacation and him saying no.  Coaches live for that stuff.

 
NewlyRetired said:
It is especially evident for the US where the depth is not great.

Of course it does lead to opportunities though.  If Yedlin is healthy, Cannon does not get a chance to impress.

That being said, the three amigos(Pulisic, Swag and Adams) need to be healthy as often as possible this cycle.
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It's also something we need to remember when guys have their playing time managed (esp for CP with the Blues).  The # of minutes Adams played for NYRB and then for RBL is insane.

 
El Floppo said:
Last I saw, another attacking MF to add to our mix. Or is he playing out wide...been a while since seeing him play
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I think he is a more central player historically but I don't know how he will be used.  He links really well as his skill set is tied directly to his high level of technique.  Certainly not a fast or strong player but he should fit in well with Atlanta if he gets a chance.

It sounds like DeBeor is really frustrated with Pity and there are rumors he is looking to sell or loan him, so if Hyndman can impress, he might find an opening for himself on a good team.

I am particularly interested in following this because I think Berhalter has miscast Roldan as more of an offensive player than his skill set states.  I think Hyndman's skills better match what Berhalter has been asking of Roldan.

 
And right on queue :)

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U.S. U-20 forward Sebastian Soto picks up a knock. It's a tibia injury but awaiting news on its severity and how long he'll be out

 
Charlie Steiner said:
If I understand English well enough, it sounds like he's coming back just more determined to prove himself, which is good to hear. I just hope that the tremendous job he did in basic science translates into more foot speed, which to me was probably why Berhalter didn't call him up for the Gold Cup.
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I figured he had hooked up with kelly lebrock

 
Yeah that reads like it was plugged into google translate. I am pretty sure ramsey or someone else said they hoped Sargent took the opportunity to get into the best shape of his life - looks like that might have happened. He was way too...doughy. 

 
Ah, I figured you just copied the translation from somewhere. I was just poking fun at the way science was translated, and the Kelly LeBrock comment. Thanks for finding and sharing as always. 

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
Is he the presumed #1 at Fortuna?
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I can't get a clear read on this.  Last I saw (again with a rough translation) is that he will have every chance this summer to be the number 1.

with out more knowledge, I am going to assume if he has a good preseason, he will play.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
I can't get a clear read on this.  Last I saw (again with a rough translation) is that he will have every chance this summer to be the number 1.

with out more knowledge, I am going to assume if he has a good preseason, he will play.
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I would say it's all but a lock.  Fortuna's #1 GK gave up 62 goals in 32 games last year.  Plus, I doubt Man City sends him there on loan without assurances of playing time.

 
encaitar said:
I would say it's all but a lock.  Fortuna's #1 GK gave up 62 goals in 32 games last year.  Plus, I doubt Man City sends him there on loan without assurances of playing time.
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Think I read somewhere that he’s competing with the 35 year old incumbent for the starting spot. 

 
The first rumors of the new qualifying format are starting to come out.  I would not be happy if I was a fan of a non top 6 team.  It does not sound right to me but ESPN deportes(according to the tweet I read) is reporting the following:

1) Top 6 ranked teams in Concacaf go straight to a hex.  Top 3 qualify

2) All other nations split into 8 groups that eventually play down to 1 team

3) The one team from the rest, plays the team that comes in 4th in the hex in a home and home for the last .5 qualifying spot.

The June rankings for Concacaf are Mexico, US, CR, Jamaica, Honduras and ELS

I think in July, Panama and or Canada could bump out Honduras and ELS when the Gold Cup is factored in.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
The first rumors of the new qualifying format are starting to come out.  I would not be happy if I was a fan of a non top 6 team.  It does not sound right to me but ESPN deportes(according to the tweet I read) is reporting the following:

1) Top 6 ranked teams in Concacaf go straight to a hex.  Top 3 qualify

2) All other nations split into 8 groups that eventually play down to 1 team

3) The one team from the rest, plays the team that comes in 4th in the hex in a home and home for the last .5 qualifying spot.

The June rankings for Concacaf are Mexico, US, CR, Jamaica, Honduras and ELS

I think in July, Panama and or Canada could bump out Honduras and ELS when the Gold Cup is factored in.
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Looks like the tweet was right about the ESPN deportes report.  Here it is.  Rankings will be based on June of 2020.

https://espndeportes.espn.com/futbol/mundial/nota/_/id/5821217/concacaf-cambia-el-formato-de-eliminatoria-rumbo-a-catar-2022

if this is true (and they look to have way too much detail to have made this up), it absolutely screws an up and coming country like Haiti.

 
Ned said:
How does the Nations League affect FIFA rankings?
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They are considered competitive games so they get a higher bonus than a friendly does.  Or at least that is how it used to work. 

I am not familiar with the new formula that follows ELO rankings.

 
The path to the WC for any team ranked 7 or below is just INSANE.

You first face a ton of games that you have to traverse, and all just to play the 4th team in the hex, and then even if you manage to get through that, all it buys you is a possible series against a South American team.

 
First set of Lampard/Pulisic news is coming in.....

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Vince™‏ @Blue_Footy

Ian McGarry: “As far as I’m told and speaking to people at Chelsea, people close to Lampard, he sees a lot of potential in Pulisic. But he reassured Pedro and Willian that he's relying on them as the wide players and that Pulisic will alternate with Mount in the no. 10 position"

Before you freak out about Willian and Pedro, he actually said he would be relying on them initially, certainly, to 'begin the season' as the wide players. I guess it's because CHO is out. And he wants to play Pulisic as a 10, Ruben as box to box.

 
I wish I knew more about how the new rankings work because I want to see if there exploits some teams could use to raise their ranking.   There should be a handful of teams battling for spots 5 and 6 over the coming 11 months.

 
NewlyRetired said:
The path to the WC for any team ranked 7 or below is just INSANE.

You first face a ton of games that you have to traverse, and all just to play the 4th team in the hex, and then even if you manage to get through that, all it buys you is a possible series against a South American team.
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El Salvador is the bubble team.

Panama, Canada outside looking in

(Currently)

 
NewlyRetired said:
I wish I knew more about how the new rankings work because I want to see if there exploits some teams could use to raise their ranking.   There should be a handful of teams battling for spots 5 and 6 over the coming 11 months.
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Plus if you're out of hex to begin with are you ever going to get enough quality matches for promotion?

 
NewlyRetired said:
I wish I knew more about how the new rankings work because I want to see if there exploits some teams could use to raise their ranking.   There should be a handful of teams battling for spots 5 and 6 over the coming 11 months.
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That's exactly why I was asking about the Nations league.  I wonder if someone like Haiti can sneak in and challenge ELS.

I admittedly don't follow FIFA rankings or know how they're truly calc'ed, so I could be way off on Haiti having a chance in climbing high enough.

 
JaxBill said:
Plus if you're out of hex to begin with are you ever going to get enough quality matches for promotion?
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It is a terrible system.  It protects teams that do not require it and removes the chance for a minnow to get into the hex who only has recently put together a good team (I will use Haiti again as an example).

 
Ned said:
That's exactly why I was asking about the Nations league.  I wonder if someone like Haiti can sneak in and challenge ELS.

I admittedly don't follow FIFA rankings or know how they're truly calc'ed, so I could be way off on Haiti having a chance in climbing high enough.
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In the old system, they would not be able to close the point gap between them and 6th, but it may be possible now.

At least for once, looking at the monthly rankings have some meaning.  That is the only slight positive I see out of the format (outside of just being lucky enough to follow a top 6 team).

 
I wonder what the odds would be if one of US/Mexico/CR were ranked 7th to make the WC, just as an experiment?

It feels like well below 50%.  There is so much ability for one bad game to screw you.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I wonder what the odds would be if one of US/Mexico/CR were ranked 7th to make the WC, just as an experiment?

It feels like well below 50%.  There is so much ability for one bad game to screw you.
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Way below IMO.  Sure, you'd expect them to run through the minnows, but one wet and bumpy field later......

 
encaitar said:
Way below IMO.  Sure, you'd expect them to run through the minnows, but one wet and bumpy field later......
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Yeah, and the kicker is that even if you get through every thing in your way in Concacaf, you could have to play some one like Uruguay or Chile...

 
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And even if they won AND beat the 4th team in qualifying THEN they'd have to play a play in game against what would likely be a much better team than any of the CONCACAF minnows.

 
NewlyRetired said:
First set of Lampard/Pulisic news is coming in.....

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Vince™‏ @Blue_Footy

Ian McGarry: “As far as I’m told and speaking to people at Chelsea, people close to Lampard, he sees a lot of potential in Pulisic. But he reassured Pedro and Willian that he's relying on them as the wide players and that Pulisic will alternate with Mount in the no. 10 position"

Before you freak out about Willian and Pedro, he actually said he would be relying on them initially, certainly, to 'begin the season' as the wide players. I guess it's because CHO is out. And he wants to play Pulisic as a 10, Ruben as box to box.
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Mason Mount has never even played a minute of football for Chelsea's main team.  If this is true, then that would likely mean that Lampard sees Pulisic as their starter at #10, with Mount spelling him as needed.  That's pretty crazy.  It's be great for his US role if he got to play the same position at club level too though.  

 
Meg Kelly out with what is apparently a pretty deep look at the USWNT salary issue in TWP.  Haven't managed to read it yet, but it's a "fact check" that suggests "it's complicated".

 
NewlyRetired said:
First set of Lampard/Pulisic news is coming in.....

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Vince™‏ @Blue_Footy

Ian McGarry: “As far as I’m told and speaking to people at Chelsea, people close to Lampard, he sees a lot of potential in Pulisic. But he reassured Pedro and Willian that he's relying on them as the wide players and that Pulisic will alternate with Mount in the no. 10 position"

Before you freak out about Willian and Pedro, he actually said he would be relying on them initially, certainly, to 'begin the season' as the wide players. I guess it's because CHO is out. And he wants to play Pulisic as a 10, Ruben as box to box.
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I don't know this Vince@Blue-Footy guy at all, but would just say its highly unlikely Lampard would have made these decisions already and that they'd be leaked to this guy on twitter.  Its very much uncertain whether Mount will be on the team, much less playing a key role.  They are kicking off the first exhibition game in about 15 minutes, and maybe we'll learn a tiny bit about the formation or tactics he's using, but its just so extremely speculative at this point that I don't think its worth our time to put much into this at this point.  That said, I have no doubt he's going to rely on the established wingers - Pedro and Willian - at the start.  My best case scenario is that Pulisic is getting regular starts in cup games and is a regular sub for Willian/Pedro in league games, with the occasional rotation / injury start when needed.  That would be fantastic.  CHO's injury is apparently not as serious as Loftus-Cheeks' (both achilles).  The best case for CP and for Chelsea imo is that Pulisic and CP are seen as the heirs apparent at the two winger roles by the end of this season.  Anything more than that is too much, too soon imo.

 
Moe. said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/fact-checker/are-the-us-womens-soccer-team-players-paid-less-the-gender-pay-gap-explained--the-fact-checker/2019/07/08/0259cfc1-3e69-4dd3-aa7f-1038ddbda57a_video.html?utm_term=.dc5cde4efbd9

It's a vidya 
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Still clear as mud. I know these facts have been kicked around in this thread, but from what I was able to figure from this video,

1. The women get a base salary, the men don't, but the men get paid for similar games the women play but don't get paid for.

2. There's more money to be had from the men's side of the house.

That's about it as far as FACTS go that I could make sense of, and that led me to some questions:

1. For what they are--not saying it's right or wrong that there's less money generated by the women's game overall--aren't they already getting paid better than any other women's national team?

2. In addition to their base salary, don't they also get paid by their club team?

3. The vidya stated the women's team brought in more money in 2018 than the men's team did; since we've established that the men's game has a higher earning potential now, shouldn't we be working that much harder to 'fix' the men's team?

 
Also the video/article doesn't acknowledge that the men didn't play in the 2018 World Cup, so using 2016-2018 to compare revenue is somewhat misleading. Maybe I will get some heat for saying this, but missing the WC is a once in a lifetime thing that will never happen again. 

 
Bottom line, there just isn't as much money in women's sports period. US Soccer can't fix that. They can make sure the "other" stuff is equal though - facilities, support staff, etc. Focusing on the bottom line for the players is missing the point imo. 

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Meg Kelly out with what is apparently a pretty deep look at the USWNT salary issue in TWP.  Haven't managed to read it yet, but it's a "fact check" that suggests "it's complicated".
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This is what everyone who knows what the issues are concludes.

The only ones who think it is a simple as "girls rule, boys drool, pay the women" have not taken much time to understand the issues even for a second.  It is kind of cringe worthy,

There has been a ton of talk about this topic in the WWC thread.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
1. For what they are--not saying it's right or wrong that there's less money generated by the women's game overall--aren't they already getting paid better than any other women's national team?
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Yes, but to their credit the USWNT players have said multiple times they have it better than every where else but they still need for improvement.

To try and simplify things, I see three specific issues

1) equal per diem pay.  This is so inexpensive and it is so in the noise for the men, that this should be very easy to deal with (noting that point 3 effects it)

2) fair bonus structure,  I think the women's fight is more with FIFA than US Soccer.  US Soccer can not be blamed that FIFA provides 8 times the reward money for men as it does the women.  It should not be that hard to mediate an equal % bonus of the reward money that the men get.

3) the club salary.  This is the item that is screwing everything up.  The women are not making a living salary playing in the NWSL, so US Soccer enhances and subsidizes their club salaries.  Until the NWSL or at one league in the world gets big enough to pay the women (all players) a living salary or better, I don't know how they fix it.

The 3rd point is either unknown or ignored by the "equal pay" screamers.

 
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