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He’s showing back to Adams’ level so the only outlet if he can’t turn is back to the CBs or Adams (which is what happened).  Credit the Canadians (and blame GGG).
CP either needs to stay higher up the field and find the space (well defended by Canada) or when he starts dropping, it needs to happen with numbers/triangles. I don't want the 9 coming back too deep, but don't isolate our main play maker- Acosta, Lletget...push a CB up...something. instead there was nothing.

 
and to put a finer point on this…Davies was consistently going at our defenders at full speed.  CP maybe did that twice…after a turn (and got hacked both times). GGG simply doesn’t put him in a place to succeed since everyone knows what our tactics will be.

 
I agree with most of these thoughts.

My low moment in the game was the Adams foul just as Aaronson put a beautiful through ball to a streaking Robinson.

For a guy that keeps talking about wanting to be a leader, that was as dumb and selfish a play as I could ever remember.  He needs to apologize to his teammates almost as much as Weston does.

This was one of the worst games I remember GGG ever having.  Two to three subs should have been put in the field the second the US scored.

A miracle win in Honduras now is all that we can hope for to salvage the 5 points.  

It does very much feel like we are going to have to go into CR and Mexico on the last window with the possibility of needing points.

 
couple thoughts I've noticed the last few games about a couple guys who were otherwise decent.

Aaronson and Miles both need to be better with their passing. 

Don't get me wrong- both are good there. But better means putting the ball in incrementally more positive spots to the guy receiving it...too much just off, making the player break stride or come back when a perfectly placed ball launches something better for the other rplayer and the team.

 
CP either needs to stay higher up the field and find the space (well defended by Canada) or when he starts dropping, it needs to happen with numbers/triangles. I don't want the 9 coming back too deep, but don't isolate our main play maker- Acosta, Lletget...push a CB up...something. instead there was nothing.
Then he never gets the ball.  The problem is the one deep lying MF (Adams) that GGG seems to think can spring everything if give time.  That #### works in MLS, but not here.  

 
WTF was that!

What a huge letdown. 
Not much energy, creativity, 1v1 plays, quick touch passing.

Offenses Slow and Methodical….nothing special.

How is Brooks getting the most touches? And he is the guy passing it over the top to …….Canada multiple times. Who is the playmaker on this team? Pulisic needs to be moving forward not backwards as he was most of the night.

Not impressed with the coaching, tactics, subbing.

Big win on Wednesday and I’ll be right back on the band wagon though.

 
Pefok isn't the answer, even though he didn't get a lot of service. 

Pepi needs to get some time next game. 

Lletget passed backwards all game long. Acosta invisible. Pulisic didn't get enough combining touches. 

The only guys that stood out to me were the Robinsons, Pulisic (when he got the ball), Aaronson, and Dest before coming off.

Konrad flashed a little during his 17 second cameo and deserves a little more time as well, I think.
I kinda liked some of what I saw from Pre for the team. was able to challenge some taller balls and almost set the US up further up the field. felt like a different point of attack for the US than they have with Sarge and Zardes...and at this point, I'll take different.

but you're right- he's just not good enough.

 
I agree with most of these thoughts.

My low moment in the game was the Adams foul just as Aaronson put a beautiful through ball to a streaking Robinson.

For a guy that keeps talking about wanting to be a leader, that was as dumb and selfish a play as I could ever remember.  He needs to apologize to his teammates almost as much as Weston does.

This was one of the worst games I remember GGG ever having.  Two to three subs should have been put in the field the second the US scored.

A miracle win in Honduras now is all that we can hope for to salvage the 5 points.  

It does very much feel like we are going to have to go into CR and Mexico on the last window with the possibility of needing points.
This. ^

 
Then he never gets the ball.  The problem is the one deep lying MF (Adams) that GGG seems to think can spring everything if give time.  That #### works in MLS, but not here.  
I'm not saying not to drop to get the ball if needed (although against Canada he shouldnt have to be...its not like playing vs Italy or Brazil)- I'm saying if/when he has to drop to get the ball, the team has to be on the same page to provide help and numbers.

he's dropping back and there's nobody there.

 
Appreciate it, but I no longer follow every post in this thread.  Moves too fast for me and I'm not on FBG as often as I used to be.  Wish Google would've had your info ;)
Just as an FYI, I got the info right from US Soccer's twitter.  They have started recently to put the exact kick off time in their twitter listings so keep an eye out there in the future.

 
GGG simply doesn’t put him in a place to succeed since everyone knows what our tactics will be.
So much this. We ask him to stand on the touchline and when he tracks back to get a touch on the ball, we have an immobile 9 and two offensively challenged 8s who do nothing to exploit that space.

We either aren't very tactically aware or we are not being given tactical instructions. Given we've had the same problems with the 15 or so attacking players that have rotated through over the last few months, there is really only one common denominator. 

 
I agree with most of these thoughts.

My low moment in the game was the Adams foul just as Aaronson put a beautiful through ball to a streaking Robinson.

For a guy that keeps talking about wanting to be a leader, that was as dumb and selfish a play as I could ever remember.  He needs to apologize to his teammates almost as much as Weston does.

This was one of the worst games I remember GGG ever having.  Two to three subs should have been put in the field the second the US scored.

A miracle win in Honduras now is all that we can hope for to salvage the 5 points.  

It does very much feel like we are going to have to go into CR and Mexico on the last window with the possibility of needing points.
so dumb and uncharacteristically selfish of Adams to get caught up in a stupid pay back moment like that...any time, but especially in that moment on the break.

agree with all of that. except I don't think a win in Honduras will he as miraculous as all that. 

I've been expecting 5 points, and I'm still very hopeful for it in spite of two poorly coached and played games.

 
I don’t buy in to this game being must win.  12 games left.  Let’s see how they do against Honduras.

I’m right there with everyone else - GGG way too slow to make his subs.

I was a little surprised Canada conceded so much possession but it worked - not sure if we weren’t prepared for it or just couldn’t break them down but Canada had a game plan and stuck to it.  And damn do they have some speed with Davies and Buchanan.

That yellow by Adams was so stupid - we were possible in on goal and he just lost his head - very disappointing.

 
I am going to really disappointed if we come out of the window with 3 points or less AND we also don't provisionally cap tie Pepi for 3 years, freeing him up to rethink his decision.  That would be an awful combination.

And the worst part is that we need help up front.  Pefok going 80+ minutes tonight was a very poor decision imo.

 
fwiw…I have absolutely zero issue with Adams going after the guy who was clinically going after CP all game after a really cyclical foul. .  None, zip, zilch, nada.  Frankly, Llegett needed to be doing the same to Davies.  

 
fwiw…I have absolutely zero issue with Adams going after the guy who was clinically going after CP all game after a really cyclical foul. .  None, zip, zilch, nada.  Frankly, Llegett needed to be doing the same to Davies.  
once Canada showed what they were going to do with CP, everybody should have been tag teaming on Davies, tbh.

but there's a time and place for payback. and its not when youre on the break.

 
fwiw…I have absolutely zero issue with Adams going after the guy who was clinically going after CP all game after a really cyclical foul. .  None, zip, zilch, nada.  Frankly, Llegett needed to be doing the same to Davies.  
That was absolutely not the time to do it.  It was flat out dumb and killed one of the very few open field plays the US generated.  Adams weighs 12 ounces soaking wet, a shoulder charge from him is not going to do anything to deter Pulisic getting chopped. 

I agree that hackaPulisic needed a response but certainly not them and certainly not how he did it.

 
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That was absolutely not the time to do it.  It was flat out dumb and killed one of the very few open field plays the US generated.  Adams weighs 12 ounces soaking wet, a shoulder charge from him is not going to do anything to deter Pulisic getting chopped. 

I agree that hackaPulisic needed a response but certainly not them and certainly not how he did it.
Like I said I have zero problem with it.  That was his chance and he took it (and you’re not looking to hurt the guy anyway, just put him on notice).

 
was Dest carrying a knock coming in? Yedlin seemed to be getting ready immediately when Dest went down.

just sucks. Dest was looking like the game changer he's capable of being out there on the right...and that would have helped pin Davies back. also would have been useful vs Hon. Now we have Yedlin, Robo and Bello.

 
GGG’s after match quotes don’t really give you much confidence.  Faster ball movement…yeah that’s the ticket on crappy fields.

 
was Dest carrying a knock coming in? Yedlin seemed to be getting ready immediately when Dest went down.

just sucks. Dest was looking like the game changer he's capable of being out there on the right...and that would have helped pin Davies back. also would have been useful vs Hon. Now we have Yedlin, Robo and Bello.
Either Acosta or Adams will function as an emergency rb if Yedlin goes down.

 
GGG’s after match quotes don’t really give you much confidence.  Faster ball movement…yeah that’s the ticket on crappy fields.
they do need to move the ball faster.

but if they're all packing one side of the field like they did against els, it doesn't really matter.

 
Fwiw, GGG seemed to say they’ll bring in some extra bodies presumably from MLS.  Who that is is beyond me.  
 

Swag also seems iffy for Weds.
This is amazing and I want to emphasize that it is no excuse but we some how have lost Weah, Gio, Dest, Steffen and maybe Weston, and Pulisic got Covid and had to miss a game, all from the time the roster was released. 

I want to say that seems like bad luck but given that this group appears never to be available at the same time, maybe this is just how its going to be.

 
they do need to move the ball faster.

but if they're all packing one side of the field like they did against els, it doesn't really matter.
It should be a different game next week.  Honduras never bunkers at home and they will want these three points.  The field should be more open than it was tonight.  We are going to have a lot less possession obviously than we had against a bunker and counter Canada but it may work out better.

Something has to give.  We can't keep barely scoring 1 goal and hope to not have problems every single game.

 
iffy because of his punishment? or an injury?

maybe Caden?
Blooding a 17 year old in San Pedro Sula is asking a whole heck of a lot.  But I assume it will be a RB and maybe a midfielder if Swag can't go.

I am confused on the "iffy" part.  If it was punishment, we would know "yes" or "no" right now, there is no if.  I don't think he is hurt.

So the "if" may mean that because he broke protocols, maybe he won't be able to travel?  I have no ideas what the rules are.

 
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It should be a different game next week.  Honduras never bunkers at home and they will want these three points.  The field should be more open than it was tonight.  We are going to have a lot less possession obviously than we had against a bunker and counter Canada but it may work out better.

Something has to give.  We can't keep barely scoring 1 goal and hope to not have problems every single game.
I wonder. els and Canada have dictated things, gameplan-wise, and had success by bunkering. the US hasnt shown an ability to break through and have lost their best creative players for the next game. 

if I'm Honduras I follow the same script and try to counter with numbers.

 
Blooding a 17 year old in San Pedro Sula is asking a whole heck of a lot.  But I assume it will be a RB and maybe a midfielder if Swag can't go.

I am confused on the "iffy" part.  If it was punishment, we would know "yes" or "no" right now, there is no if.  I don't think he is hurt.

So the "if" may mean that because he broke protocols, maybe he won't be able to travel?  I gave no ideas what the rules are.
It must have something to do with testing and protocols.  
 

I have no clue who they call in.  Zardes for 30 minutes? Some winger depth? Dike?  

 
I think Zardes is still hurt.  He did not even dress just a couple of days ago.
Maybe Pomykal.  I’m at a loss though.  

Maybe a 3-4-2-1 or something like that since our CBS are at least healthy especially if Swag plays.  Maybe you even throw CP at RWB and have the two more narrow?

 
Told myself I wasn’t going to dwell on this tonight but man I am super bummed out right now. 
Me too buddy, me too.  I am strapping myself in for the full 14 game ride.  This is going to be more bumpy that we obviously first hoped.   It is bound to have some ups and downs so hopefully we can stay in the mix.

 
I know GGG has not favored him in the past, but I would love to see Musah worked into the team next window.  His two way style and ability to drive the ball on the dribble would be very welcomed.

 
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I was vocal about GGG being too MLS and not knowing how to coach world class players...those fears may have been justified.

Ugh.

We need to consider a change if we don't get a result at Honduras.

 
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I'm gobsmacked by what happened tonight.  I've been in this thread long enough to know this is a marathon and not a sprint, but not only do the Gold Cup and Nations League Cup look like pyrrhic victories at best, but also with Mexico off to a fast start in qualifying, i.e. what REALLY matters, those cups look downright worthless and I'm about to declare that the sky is falling.

I believe this is the deepest talent pool we've had in the 10+ years I've been following this team, yet I feel like they are underperforming and/or the wrong buttons are being pushed.

I think there's a difference between 'best XI' and 'best XI for CONCACAF qualifying'. To me, it means putting out eleven guys who can grind out wins and play like their hair is on fire while doing it.  To me, Aaronsen and Acosta embody that and should be automatic starters.  CP is like a Jaguar; he looks the part and can perform in the right conditions, but you don't put one in the demolition derby that is CONCACAF qualifying..  I believe Swag and Adams will learn from their early mistakes and have the playing styles to thrive so they're still must-starts, and maybe even *gasp* bench Brooks for one of our 'lesser' CBs who has the extra step Brooks doesn't have, or switch to a 4-man back line with a speedier CB paired with him to provide extra cover.

I'm dejected and just buzzed enough to waste my time and some space to throw out my CONCACAF Qualifying lineup:

GK: Turner is the hot hand right now and seems to be growing albeit incrementally, so he's it until he falters in back to back games.

 CB: Miles Robinson and Mark McKenzie. Yes, Brooks is our best and most experienced CB, but his Achilles Heel is his 1v1 speed, which seems to be getting exploited more in CONCACAF than anywhere else, so he sits and lets the 'lesser' but quicker CBs carry the load here. 

LCB/RCB: in 2 CONCACAF games, Dest has turned in one half of a quality shift and then got hurt. Save him for the rest of the world.  Give me Bello and Antonee Robinson, guys who don't think doing dirty work in beneath them.

MF: Swag, Adams, Acosta. Period.

F: Aaronsen, due to his grit and intangible ballhawking ability, is a must start. I think I would even give him a go in the middle, with Konrad on one wing because speed is always a commodity, plus Zardes when healthy. Aaronsen seems to me like he might do well triggering the attack, and I think Zardes would thrive with him drawing defenders and Konrad causing havoc with his speed. When switching to defense, Zardes spearheads he pressure and Aaronson floats out wide and provides the kind of cover he provided tonight.

                                                                     Turner (while he's the hot hand)

A. Robinson                        M. Robinson               McKenzie                Bello

                 Swag                                      Adams                         Acosta

                                  Aaronson                                   Konrad

                                                              Zardes

With evidence of teams going at our weak link and trying to overrun him, I propose we go with a more flexible, dare I say dynamic lineup that can cover and support each other better on both ends of the field than what we've seen these last 2 games. You know that group of MFs can boss the middle of the field as well as give extra punch on offense and extra cover of defense.  They're not individually the best players we have, but for CONCACAF, I think all they would need is GGG to say 'go win this one'.                                         

 
FWIW…this tweet visualizes the problems with GGGs system better than I could ever describe.  
 

https://twitter.com/_susaeta/status/1434704530290139139?s=21
the problem is Acosta and Lletget don't have the ability to create well enough to break down a team in a deep block. 

adams, with Musah and Swag. 

but we're not allowed nice things
what I've seen of Musah and Swag is they do have that ability. and would allow more fluidity with Adams.

 
I was vocal about GGG being too MLS
Canada had exactly two big chances tonight, one of which they scored (edit: forgot about Buchanan's play).  When Dest screwed up and when Yedlin screwed up and when Brooks for what ever reason just stopped in the box instead of taking one more step to block the cross.  These are not MLS players.

Our front line has had the vast vast vast majority of the minutes going to Euros and they have been average at best, poor at worst.

This has nothing to do with MLS players being bad, its the Euro guys who are letting us down imo.

Adams, Turner, and both Robinson's are the only players who are meeting or exceeding expectations in these two games, and even Adams is suspect after that moronic play tonight that may have cost us our only chance to get a winner.

Canada started more players with current MLS experience than we did and they grabbed a point on the road.  And we were damn lucky Canada decided to not start Buchanan, an MLS player.  if he plays the whole game, we probably come close to zero points. 

 
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the problem is Acosta and Lletget don't have the ability to create well enough to break down a team in a deep block. 

what I've seen of Musah and Swag is they do have that ability. and would allow more fluidity with Adams.
Agreed, so then the issue becomes why does GGG slot them into positions in a formation that requires them to do so.  It’s all well and good to say the ball needs to move quicker, but that’s losing sight of the fact that neither Acosta nor Llegett are really capable of doing so.  
 

The formation doesn’t match the personnel and really only when we are 100% full strength would it ever do so.  GGG is coaching like there is this magical free space for wingers to exploit without actually putting any thought on how to create that space with movement.  Our formation is static besides for the odd outside back overlapping on a Herculean run and GGG seems to think that staticness can be solved with quick passes.  In an ideal world sure, but we’re not Spain circa 2012 here. 

 
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Canada had exactly two chances tonight.  When Dest screwed up and when Yedlin screwed up and when Brooks for what ever reason just stopped in the box instead of taking one more step to block the cross.  These are not MLS players.

Our front line has had the vast vast vast majority of the minutes going to Euros and they have been average at best, poor at worst.

This has nothing to do with MLS players being bad, its the Euro guys who are letting us down imo.

Adams, Turner, and both Robinson's are the only players who are meeting or exceeding expectations in these two games, and even Adams is suspect after that moronic play tonight that may have cost us our only chance to get a winner.

Canada started more players with current MLS experience than we did and they grabbed a point on the road.


I said GGG, not the players...my comment had nothing to do with MLS players although SeaBass did suck.

  GGG is not a world class coach and is getting exposed IMHO.

 
Canada had exactly two chances tonight.  When Dest screwed up and when Yedlin screwed up and when Brooks for what ever reason just stopped in the box instead of taking one more step to block the cross.  These are not MLS players.

Our front line has had the vast vast vast majority of the minutes going to Euros and they have been average at best, poor at worst.

This has nothing to do with MLS players being bad, its the Euro guys who are letting us down imo.

Adams, Turner, and both Robinson's are the only players who are meeting or exceeding expectations in these two games, and even Adams is suspect after that moronic play tonight that may have cost us our only chance to get a winner.

Canada started more players with current MLS experience than we did and they grabbed a point on the road.
 Canada had many more than 2 chances.  Off the top of my head, Buchanan missed that one chance and then they had 3 or so crosses that were screaming for a tap in.  

 

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