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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Just looked up some odds and looks like Leeds are generally in a group of 5 or 6 bottom half teams expected to avoid relegation.  Like positions 12-16.

Agree that Adams is probably better in a defend-first side though.  Especially with his NT coach saying he's not able to single-man the #6 in a 4-3-3.
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I would expect Leeds to be mid-table.  They played way too naive under Bielsa - between the talent they had, the signings and Marsch I think they are a safe bet to stay up.

 
So we have talked about how the US is going to need a new coach fairly soon.  Jesse has to be high on the list.

And while being an EPL coach is a fabulous position to be in, I bet US Soccer could easily pay him more (give the massive amount of money that will be flowing per WC2026) and virtually guarantee him 4 years.

US Soccer could wait until next summer allowing Jesse a full year with Leeds.   But this is also kind of tricky because if he is too successful, Leeds will fight to keep him and if Leeds crash, US Soccer may not want him...

You guys predicting mid-tableish seems just about right to work something out.   I don't think Leeds are under any obligation to let a coach under contract just walk but these things seem to work themselves out.

 
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AAABatteries said:
I would expect Leeds to be mid-table.  They played way too naive under Bielsa - between the talent they had, the signings and Marsch I think they are a safe bet to stay up.
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Co-sign.  

Nottingham Forest, Fulham, and Bournemouth seem to be the betting favorites to be relegated this year.  Leeds is in the group just above them with Soton and Crystal Palace.  However, I think with the signings Leeds has made they will be closer to the 10-13 range rather than 14-16.  I admittedly haven't kept up with all the signings from lower table teams, but I usually see the headlines of confirmed EPL transfers.  

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
I think so, yeah.

@NewlyRetired, am I crazy or was this the reason given that Musah was playing deeper?
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NewlyRetired said:
My senility is showing but yes, I remember something to that effect but I can't find the exact quote GGG made.
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This must have been one specific game/quote for a specific formation/opponent.  For most games Adams plays as a lone 6 in the 433.  Musah plays like a 6/8 blend (7?, haha) but the standard formation has Adams as the lone 6 in the MMA midfield.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I have seen a few different places say La Liga club Celta de Vigo are kicking LDLT's tires.

That would be a nice landing spot.  A mid table team in La Liga is light years away from the second division in Holland.
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Marca is reporting that this is all but done.  

 
More confirmation.  This is solid

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Jeff Carlisle

@JeffreyCarlisle

Can confirm Marca report that #usmnt midfielder Luca de la Torre is set to move to Celta de Vigo, pending a medical. Source adds that fee will be a shade over $2m

 
Poke_4_Life said:
This must have been one specific game/quote for a specific formation/opponent.  For most games Adams plays as a lone 6 in the 433.  Musah plays like a 6/8 blend (7?, haha) but the standard formation has Adams as the lone 6 in the MMA midfield.
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He said it about the 343 formation, not the 433. 

 
Probably not the best place to post this bit seems very "concacaf" related... 

MLS pro 20 experimenting with new rules - 1. If you lay down "injured for 15 seconds you're off for 3 minutes after stretcher gets you" and 2. New red card rule - get a red card vs team A, your suspension is carried out next game vs team A, not the next immediate match (double yellows included).

I like but it's not from fifa or any other higher sanctioning body so no chance anything like it happens in the near future but MLS has taken it upon themselves to initiate in their lower di ision "for future study".  I think both would be wonderful concacaf type rules.

 
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SpurrierisisGod said:
Probably not the best place to post this bit seems very "concacaf" related... 

MLS pro 20 experimenting with new rules - 1. If you lay down "injured for 15 seconds you're off for 3 minutes after stretcher gets you" and 2. New red card rule - get a red card vs team A, your suspension is carried out next game vs team A, not the next immediate match (double yellows included).

I like but it's not from fifa or any other higher sanctioning body so no chance anything like it happens in the near future but MLS has taken it upon themselves to initiate in their lower di ision "for future study".  I think both would be wonderful concacaf type rules.
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We had a discussion on this in the soccer thread yesterday I bleieve, if you want to see some reactions.  

I actually think they will be feeding FIFA the data on this similar to the rules experiments (much more radical than what MLS Next is proposing) that will be going on in the lower leagues in Holland this up coming season.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Tom Bogert

@tombogert

Jim Curtin spoke on how proud he is of the four homegrowns with the US U20s and added: "The international interest in them is going up, up, up." Unsurprising. Not only RB Salzburg in for Paxten Aaronson. A lot of clubs, per sources. A lot watching McGlynn, Sullivan & Craig too.
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Sounds like the Union transferred Sergio Santos and Stuart Findlay which would theoretically create more opportunities for the HGs

 
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herculez gomez

@herculezg

The worst Mexican Fútboling year in its history.

Campeones Cup (L)

CONCACAF Nations League (L)

Gold Cup (L)

All Star Game (L)

Zero wins vs US/CAN in WCQ

CCL (L)

Loss to Guat. No U20 WC or Olympics.

All this since last year.
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when it rains......................

Cesar Hernandez

@cesarhfutbol

After heading into the Concacaf W Championship with 52 goals scored over their last 10 games (9 wins and 1 draw), Mexico's women's team have suffered shocking losses to Jamaica (1-0) and Haiti (3-0) in the tournament. World Cup hopes nearly gone for El Tri Femenil.

Keep in mind, Mexico are hosting this tournament as well. There's a slim chance they can still be in the running for a playoff spot for the Women's World Cup, but Mexico will need to beat the United States on Monday and hope Haiti defeat Jamaica on the same day.

 
SpurrierisisGod said:
If you lay down "injured for 15 seconds you're off for 3 minutes after stretcher gets you"
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It seems like the easier fix is just to train the referees to ACTUALLY keep track of ALL the injury time and put it back on at the end.  It's like they have hundreds of years of traditionally thinking that 5-7 minutes of stoppage time is "a lot" but the reality is that should probably be the more baseline and they shouldn't shy away from adding 15 minutes to the end when there has actually been 15 minutes of stoppage time.

If they just accurately kept track of it and added it all back instead of saying "there's been like 15 minutes but that's absurd so I'm going to add 7 minutes which traditionally is a lot" then there would be no point in people rolling around faking injuries.

 
Poke_4_Life said:
This is starting to feel like a trend of our USMNT player pool making moves that are positive for playing time and/or development.  Definitely bodes well for Qatar late this year.  
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I'm pretty bullish on this move but there is a very real risk he gets little to no playing time prior to the world cup. 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
It seems like the easier fix is just to train the referees to ACTUALLY keep track of ALL the injury time and put it back on at the end.  It's like they have hundreds of years of traditionally thinking that 5-7 minutes of stoppage time is "a lot" but the reality is that should probably be the more baseline and they shouldn't shy away from adding 15 minutes to the end when there has actually been 15 minutes of stoppage time.

If they just accurately kept track of it and added it all back instead of saying "there's been like 15 minutes but that's absurd so I'm going to add 7 minutes which traditionally is a lot" then there would be no point in people rolling around faking injuries.
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Or better yet, just stop the clock in a way that the players and fans can see it.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Well yea that's the obvious answer but there's just too many stubborn traditionalists that it won't ever happen.
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50% of this is pure resistance to change, 50% have a legit fear that stopping the clock could introduce commercials.

I think there is a happy medium where we don't have to have the clock stop but this sport never looks for the easy answer.

The 4th official does almost nothing all game.  Move the clock management stuff to him with ultra clear definitions of when to add time with some visual indication in stadium, so that spectators and tv know when time is being added.

Every formal study ever done has concluded refs don't account for any where close to enough added time.

We all used to laugh at Fergie time but that was probably closer to correct compared to what we get today.

 
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@FabrizioRomano

Borussia Dortmund have no intention to loan out Gio Reyna. Clear message to the player directly from the board and manager Terzic. #BVB BVB have been approached by many clubs for a loan move but answer was always negative.

 
McBokonon said:
@FabrizioRomano

Borussia Dortmund have no intention to loan out Gio Reyna. Clear message to the player directly from the board and manager Terzic. #BVB BVB have been approached by many clubs for a loan move but answer was always negative.
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I have been seeing this rumor for a couple of days and it made no sense.  Gio doesn't need to move for playing time.  He just needs to stay healthy and will get plenty of minutes at Dortmund once he proves he can.

I am glad Dortmund made this clear.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Or better yet, just stop the clock in a way that the players and fans can see it.
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As a fan, I love the pure excitement (even if it’s a bit dodgy) that nobody knows exactly when the final whistle will blow, and getting that last final attack or corner kick, or defending that one goal leads and begging for the whistle to blow.  In the early days of MLS, they had a clock that counted down instead of up and stopped during injuries.  The game was over at 0:00.  And honestly it sucked.  

That said, as sports betting continues to grow, inevitably they’re going to adjust this to make the clock more transparent somehow.  But it wont be as fun

 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
As a fan, I love the pure excitement (even if it’s a bit dodgy) that nobody knows exactly when the final whistle will blow, and getting that last final attack or corner kick, or defending that one goal leads and begging for the whistle to blow.  In the early days of MLS, they had a clock that counted down instead of up and stopped during injuries.  The game was over at 0:00.  And honestly it sucked.  

That said, as sports betting continues to grow, inevitably they’re going to adjust this to make the clock more transparent somehow.  But it wont be as fun
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I would think this would still be possible and have the time at least closer to being correct.   I can live with refs being multiple seconds off.  It makes no sense that most of the soccer world seems fine with the refs being multiple minutes off.  The ref clearly does not have any real method of keeping track which is why so many games just put up 4 minutes no matter how much time wasting has occured.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I would think this would still be possible and have the time at least closer to being correct.   I can live with refs being multiple seconds off.  It makes no sense that most of the soccer world seems fine with the refs being multiple minutes off.  The ref clearly does not have any real method of keeping track which is why so many games just put up 4 minutes no matter how much time wasting has occured.
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I hear you.  And I’ve seen the opposite happen too sometimes where there’s a relatively clean match stoppage wise and they still put up 4 minutes (particularly in the second half)

 
Well, we saw several MLS based failed experiments from Berhalter that put us in a dangerous qualifying position and ultimately may have put us in a more difficult group.  The fans had good cause for the criticism.  The bias was almost comical in certain instances.

That doesn't mean MLS players can't or wont contribute as several obviously came up huge for us, but some of the usage of MLS players merited harsh criticism, much more than what the media would argue (because they are sucking on the USMNT teet)   

 
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I hope this is not tongue in cheek.  This guy was headed to one of the biggest waste of talents in US Soccer history

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USMNT

@USMNTTAKES

Owen Otasowie continues to start and impress with Club Brugge in preseason. If he keeps this up he could have a big role to play with the team in the season. Could be a very interesting comeback

 
I guess this is the de facto Leeds thread at this point

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Phil Hay

@PhilHay_

Leeds United confirm that Raphinha is not in their travelling party for the tour of Australia. Will stay at home and train in England amid ongoing transfer talks. Jamie Shackleton also absent and set to move out on loan. Luke Ayling remaining behind to continue recovery

 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
As a fan, I love the pure excitement (even if it’s a bit dodgy) that nobody knows exactly when the final whistle will blow, and getting that last final attack or corner kick, or defending that one goal leads and begging for the whistle to blow.  In the early days of MLS, they had a clock that counted down instead of up and stopped during injuries.  The game was over at 0:00.  And honestly it sucked.  

That said, as sports betting continues to grow, inevitably they’re going to adjust this to make the clock more transparent somehow.  But it wont be as fun
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Imagine an NFL playoff game (such as the Bills/KC) where the official decides when the game is over.  The fans wouldn't stand for it.  It's hilarious that soccer fans have talked themselves into believing this flaw is a benefit.  I'd put this behavior somewhere between the election was stolen and the earth is flat.

Nothing better than a buzzer beater or a hail mary.  Loved the college soccer games with scores as the timer expired.

 
Seems I did a decent job of derailing the thread when I should've just posted in the soccer thread but my thinking was along the lines of concacaf.

We play in a qualifying league known for time wasting antics.  Someone mentioned it before and I am of the opinion that I want as many concacaf teams in the world cup as we can possibly get, just to see how that style plays out against euro teams.  The US is used to it...well enough to at least kind of handle it. 

I know it's part of the game but it is extremely frustrating to watch.  I'm not a big fan of a hard clock either though.  Just looking for a happy medium.  BTW, new post on nfhs says they are emphasizing time wasting tactics this year, especially late subs and switching free kick takers/throw in takers when a team has a lead.

As for how this all relates to US nationals is that it is bred into our players that it is an inferior tactic and should be frowned upon whereas foreign players (especially latin) already have it perfected by U15.

 
BassNBrew said:
Imagine an NFL playoff game (such as the Bills/KC) where the official decides when the game is over.  The fans wouldn't stand for it.  It's hilarious that soccer fans have talked themselves into believing this flaw is a benefit.  I'd put this behavior somewhere between the election was stolen and the earth is flat.

Nothing better than a buzzer beater or a hail mary.  Loved the college soccer games with scores as the timer expired.
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We’ll just never agree on this.  I’d say that Landon Donovan scoring in stoppage time vs Algeria to put the US through to the next round was as exciting a sporting moment as any other and a big part of it was the freak out of racing the stoppage time clock or facing elimination.

I don’t disagree with you on football and basketball but 1) I think we’re just used to the structure there, and 2) particularly in basketball there’s far more possessions and scoring opportunities so a finite clock is to be expected, and football there’s no free flowing transition between offense and defense so it’s apples and oranges 

 
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Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
We’ll just never agree on this.
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I bet people are closer than we realize on this topic. 

We already have them putting up a hard number so its not any where near as invisible as it used to be, when it was an absolute complete guess for fans.  Now we know with in 30 seconds or so of when a game will end.   

I would keep the format the same but use better definitions of when to add time such that every ref does the same thing so that when the number goes up, it is more representative of true extra time.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
I bet people are closer than we realize on this topic. 

We already have them putting up a hard number so its not any where near as invisible as it used to be, when it was an absolute complete guess for fans.  Now we know with in 30 seconds or so of when a game will end.   

I would keep the format the same but use better definitions of when to add time such that every ref does the same thing so that when the number goes up, it is more representative of true extra time.
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You know what would be good for this...a clock or watch that you could stop and start.

I would love to see a team go full Concacaf and have a player on the ground for 30 minutes of a half.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I bet people are closer than we realize on this topic. 

We already have them putting up a hard number so its not any where near as invisible as it used to be, when it was an absolute complete guess for fans.  Now we know with in 30 seconds or so of when a game will end.   

I would keep the format the same but use better definitions of when to add time such that every ref does the same thing so that when the number goes up, it is more representative of true extra time.
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And then I watch the FCC/NYRB game last night and get reminded that very there are too many refs that aren’t capable of consistency with the rules from minute to minute, much less over a whole match.

 
BassNBrew said:
Imagine an NFL playoff game (such as the Bills/KC) where the official decides when the game is over.  The fans wouldn't stand for it.  It's hilarious that soccer fans have talked themselves into believing this flaw is a benefit.  I'd put this behavior somewhere between the election was stolen and the earth is flat.

Nothing better than a buzzer beater or a hail mary.  Loved the college soccer games with scores as the timer expired.
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Plus the fans get to chant out the last 10 seconds countdown...NOTHING BEATS THAT FOR PURE SPORTING AWESOMENESS.

I've always wanted the 4th...or even 5th official to be in charge of the clock. Checking sub cleats and paperwork may seem like a 90 minute gig, but I think we can squeeze more out of them.

SpurrierisisGod said:
Seems I did a decent job of derailing the thread when I should've just posted in the soccer thread but my thinking was along the lines of concacaf.

We play in a qualifying league known for time wasting antics.  Someone mentioned it before and I am of the opinion that I want as many concacaf teams in the world cup as we can possibly get, just to see how that style plays out against euro teams.  The US is used to it...well enough to at least kind of handle it. 

I know it's part of the game but it is extremely frustrating to watch.  I'm not a big fan of a hard clock either though.  Just looking for a happy medium.  BTW, new post on nfhs says they are emphasizing time wasting tactics this year, especially late subs and switching free kick takers/throw in takers when a team has a lead.

As for how this all relates to US nationals is that it is bred into our players that it is an inferior tactic and should be frowned upon whereas foreign players (especially latin) already have it perfected by U15.
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It's the entire world. This isn't a regional thing. Only a handful of places that don't (including the US, as you say...but changing), usually on the younger/naive side of soccer history. 

 
Here is the longer edition of the Jesus video.   Nips and Jesus doing their absolute best to piss off the home crowd and getting the full water bottle treatment in return.

https://twitter.com/FCDallas/status/1545959310437584896?s=20&t=qzUgKYQyDiEItxn8wLHbmg

I have to say, as much as the bottle throwing sucks, it appears Houston may finally be buying into the team after many many years of a near empty stadium not caring

https://twitter.com/stuholden/status/1545975490313195520?s=20&t=qzUgKYQyDiEItxn8wLHbmg

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Here is the longer edition of the Jesus video.   Nips and Jesus doing their absolute best to piss off the home crowd and getting the full water bottle treatment in return.

https://twitter.com/FCDallas/status/1545959310437584896?s=20&t=qzUgKYQyDiEItxn8wLHbmg

I have to say, as much as the bottle throwing sucks, it appears Houston may finally be buying into the team after many many years of a near empty stadium not caring

https://twitter.com/stuholden/status/1545975490313195520?s=20&t=qzUgKYQyDiEItxn8wLHbmg
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Taylor Twellman

@TaylorTwellman

If the atmosphere in @HoustonDynamo is like this 85% of the time, that place will be fun to play at……for the home team. Houston please give me more of what I saw tonight. Hostile, loud, vibrant, hot!!!

 
NewlyRetired said:
Taylor Twellman

@TaylorTwellman

If the atmosphere in @HoustonDynamo is like this 85% of the time, that place will be fun to play at……for the home team. Houston please give me more of what I saw tonight. Hostile, loud, vibrant, hot!!!
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Just need some Punta and piss bags to make it a great crowd.

Wonder if he'll be happy with the crowd if our only striker loses an eye to a battery or MORE water bottles.

 
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