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Vernon Davis a better TE prospect than Winslow ? (1 Viewer)
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
... just as Crumpler is the best receiver in ATL, and Heap is [was] the best receiver in BAL.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.
cstu
Footballguy
There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed.
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Just saw Vern on the NFL Network...not only is he the physical freak we've been discussing, but he's also really well spoken. He admitted that all his advisors told him NOT to work out at the Combine and he went against their advice because football is "what he does" and had nothing to fear b/c he was confident in his abilities.
Freakish athleticism, a good head on his shoulders, well spoken = top 10 LOCK
Freakish athleticism, a good head on his shoulders, well spoken = top 10 LOCK
Trig2U
Footballguy
jeeez... nice reel. That was a perfectly timed jump between two defenders, and V Davis made a great catch on a pass that resembled a wounded duck. That second catch, where he drags three Clemson defenders out of bounds is also impressive. It looked like the Terrapins snuck a jersey on Ron Artest.
CalBear
Footballguy
I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
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MLBrandow
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This is exactly what I said. Their defense has more talent, I agree, but they were, by the records, every bit as terrible as the offense.The 49ers have had statistically one of the worst offenses of the last 2 years as far back as I bothered to look.I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
By comparison, I had a funny stat in my last mock draft regarding their pass defense. If you took all of the pass defenses of the past decade and ranked them, the 2005 49ers would be 311th (that's last place).
But, being that the offense is just as bad, but that they have more talent on defense, getting a guy like Vernon Davis for Smith to throw to would definitely be a great move. Especially since he can block.
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cstu
Footballguy
They paid Alex Smith way too much money to not get him more help. A TE is the perfect way to do that and makes a QB's job MUCH easier.This is exactly what I said. Their defense has more talent, I agree, but they were, by the records, every bit as terrible as the offense.The 49ers have had statistically one of the worst offenses of the last 2 years as far back as I bothered to look.I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
By comparison, I had a funny stat in my last mock draft regarding their pass defense. If you took all of the pass defenses of the past decade and ranked them, the 2005 49ers would be 311th (that's last place).
But, being that the offense is just as bad, but that they have more talent on defense, getting a guy like Vernon Davis for Smith to throw to would definitely be a great move. Especially since he can block.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].
Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].
Imagine this interview with a GM: How much stock do you put into test scores? 40 times for OL? Weight for a DL? being in a bang cartoon?
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nightshift
Footballguy
No Postons as his agents? What's this world comin' to?Puttin' you on the spot Jason, since you locked VD in the top 10. Which tean do you beleive will pull the trigger & why?Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Well, in my first mock I had him going to SF at 7...and I'll stick by that, at least until I do Woodrow's Mock 2.0 in the next few days.No Postons as his agents? What's this world comin' to?Puttin' you on the spot Jason, since you locked VD in the top 10. Which tean do you beleive will pull the trigger & why?Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].
5Rings
Lurker
Yards per passing attempt is a testament to the 49ers losing three of their four starting DBs early in the season; it has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim that the D "didn't wear down."To the contrary, these stats affect TOP and "wearing down the D".I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
The SF offense last year:
*ran the fewest offensive plays in the NFL
*had the lowest 3rd down conv rate (24%)
*had the most 3 and outs in the NFL
*had the 2nd lowest TOP in the NFL (27.18, jets at 26.37)
*the defense was on the field for the most plays in the NFL last year
I guess watching every game I was able to actually see the D get worn down game by game, which is why to me an improvement in the offense from horrible to mediocre would be a huge boost to the defense.
Draft VD and get ready for the talking heads to praise "Nolan's effect on the defense in year two". You'll know what it really was.
Take it fwiw
CalBear
Footballguy
You know, bad defenses cause teams to have low time of possession, too. The defense was on the field for the most plays because they couldn't stop anyone.Here is the breakdown by half for defensive stats in 2005:Yards per passing attempt is a testament to the 49ers losing three of their four starting DBs early in the season; it has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim that the D "didn't wear down."To the contrary, these stats affect TOP and "wearing down the D".I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
The SF offense last year:
*ran the fewest offensive plays in the NFL
*had the lowest 3rd down conv rate (24%)
*had the most 3 and outs in the NFL
*had the 2nd lowest TOP in the NFL (27.18, jets at 26.37)
*the defense was on the field for the most plays in the NFL last year
I guess watching every game I was able to actually see the D get worn down game by game, which is why to me an improvement in the offense from horrible to mediocre would be a huge boost to the defense.
Draft VD and get ready for the talking heads to praise "Nolan's effect on the defense in year two". You'll know what it really was.
Take it fwiw
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YRs CMP ATT PYD Y/A FD PTD INT RSH RSHYD YD/RSH FD RSHTD FP2005 196 304 2466 8.11 108 15 5 234 952 4.07 61 8 658.102005 178 271 2151 7.94 97 13 11 252 879 3.49 52 11 592.25
H.K.
Footballguy
The Clemson game everyone is referring to was simply amazing. He went 6-140 and a score and looked much better than his stat line. This season Maryland had very few offensive options, and unsteady QB play (which is a polite way to say it).There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed.
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
Davis is a very special talent, but his value is similar to most players because his success will depend on what his coaches do utilize him/system he is in. Definitely a guy to keep high on your radar come draft day.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
I'd just like to know how he masks his steroids so well. What this guy is doing just isn't natural. I don't care how hard he works.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I can go with you on this. I don't have the breadth of knowledge about college ball & pro porspects that many here do, so my criticisms are sort of in a vacuum. Trust me, I was thrilled to be able to root for Davis as a member of the Terps. I just wanted to pass along some things that I saw that could cause a bit of concern. It may well be that Davis took off less plays, ran fewer sloppy routes, and short-armed less passes than any TE prospect in history - I don't know, because I don't follow other players as closely as I do "mine". And I don't see any of his perceived (from my perspective) problems as being uncorrectable. That having been said, Vernon has made himself a ton of money over the last several days. I'll certainly be pulling for him.There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed.
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
pricklypete
Footballguy
Rumor has it the Rear Admirals are already in negotiations.
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
I know from my experience that the more you pay attention to "your" guys you tend to see more of the bad as well as the good of certain guys, especially the ultra-talented ones.I can go with you on this. I don't have the breadth of knowledge about college ball & pro porspects that many here do, so my criticisms are sort of in a vacuum. Trust me, I was thrilled to be able to root for Davis as a member of the Terps. I just wanted to pass along some things that I saw that could cause a bit of concern. It may well be that Davis took off less plays, ran fewer sloppy routes, and short-armed less passes than any TE prospect in history - I don't know, because I don't follow other players as closely as I do "mine". And I don't see any of his perceived (from my perspective) problems as being uncorrectable. That having been said, Vernon has made himself a ton of money over the last several days. I'll certainly be pulling for him.There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed.
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
As poorly executed as it was, that was kinda my pointI know from my experience that the more you pay attention to "your" guys you tend to see more of the bad as well as the good of certain guys, especially the ultra-talented ones.I can go with you on this. I don't have the breadth of knowledge about college ball & pro porspects that many here do, so my criticisms are sort of in a vacuum. Trust me, I was thrilled to be able to root for Davis as a member of the Terps. I just wanted to pass along some things that I saw that could cause a bit of concern. It may well be that Davis took off less plays, ran fewer sloppy routes, and short-armed less passes than any TE prospect in history - I don't know, because I don't follow other players as closely as I do "mine". And I don't see any of his perceived (from my perspective) problems as being uncorrectable. That having been said, Vernon has made himself a ton of money over the last several days. I'll certainly be pulling for him.There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed.
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
pricklypete
Footballguy
Please don't turn this into a clique thread.Rumor has it the Rear Admirals are already in negotiations.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
from his maryland bio... he once ran a 10.7 100 m & was the district of columbia high jump champ...
http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-...s_vernon00.html
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High School: A 2003 graduate of Dunbar High School in Washington, D.C. ... a three-year starter who primarily played tight end and safety but also saw time at wide receiver, kick returner, linebacker and defensive end in his tenure ... an outstanding athlete who was clocked at 4.4 in the 40-yard dash, 10.7 in the 100 meters and posted a 39-inch vertical jump as a prep ... caught 21 passes for 511 yards (24.3 avg.) and five touchdowns as a senior despite missing three games with a deep bone bruise below his knee ... also caught three two-point conversions and returned four kicks (two kickoffs and two punts) for touchdowns ... had 35 receptions for 385 yards and 11 TDs as a junior ... selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl ... rated as the third-best tight end in the nation by ESPN.com's Tom Lemming ... a member of SuperPrep's Elite 50 and that publication's 39th-rated player nationally ... a Mid-Atlantic all-region pick by SuperPrep and the third-best player (at any position) in the region ... second team All-USA by USA Today ... ranked as the fourth-best tight end in the nation and the seventh-best player (overall) in the Atlantic East by Rivals.com ... first team All-Met by The Washington Post ... Gatorade Player of the Year for the District of Columbia ... team went 31-5 and won two city championships in his three years at Dunbar ... competed in basketball and track & field ... was the DCIAA champion in the high jump with a leap of 6-5 ... chose Maryland over Florida, Virginia, Purdue and Miami, among others ... high school coach was Craig Jefferies.
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staffer dave baker was first that drew my attention to fact that a hugely disproportionate number of most productive TEs come from teams with weak WRs... as was noted... guys like gonzo, gates, heap (b4 mason & clayton... wonder if his stas now go DOWN?), crumpler, shockey (pre-plax), etc... a lot of teams that throw a lot to TEs & therefor drive up stats... do so because they have to & have no other choice...
i totally agree that if davis landed in ARI with warner or DET with martz (not ANOTHER receiving weapon!!! couldn't happen... but it is the lions
), you could safely discount previous TE non-use associated with them... rams TEs didn't run routes like gates, et all... if one of these teams drafted davis, you can be sure it wouldn't be to play an impression of a blocking sled dummy...
http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-...s_vernon00.html
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High School: A 2003 graduate of Dunbar High School in Washington, D.C. ... a three-year starter who primarily played tight end and safety but also saw time at wide receiver, kick returner, linebacker and defensive end in his tenure ... an outstanding athlete who was clocked at 4.4 in the 40-yard dash, 10.7 in the 100 meters and posted a 39-inch vertical jump as a prep ... caught 21 passes for 511 yards (24.3 avg.) and five touchdowns as a senior despite missing three games with a deep bone bruise below his knee ... also caught three two-point conversions and returned four kicks (two kickoffs and two punts) for touchdowns ... had 35 receptions for 385 yards and 11 TDs as a junior ... selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl ... rated as the third-best tight end in the nation by ESPN.com's Tom Lemming ... a member of SuperPrep's Elite 50 and that publication's 39th-rated player nationally ... a Mid-Atlantic all-region pick by SuperPrep and the third-best player (at any position) in the region ... second team All-USA by USA Today ... ranked as the fourth-best tight end in the nation and the seventh-best player (overall) in the Atlantic East by Rivals.com ... first team All-Met by The Washington Post ... Gatorade Player of the Year for the District of Columbia ... team went 31-5 and won two city championships in his three years at Dunbar ... competed in basketball and track & field ... was the DCIAA champion in the high jump with a leap of 6-5 ... chose Maryland over Florida, Virginia, Purdue and Miami, among others ... high school coach was Craig Jefferies.
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staffer dave baker was first that drew my attention to fact that a hugely disproportionate number of most productive TEs come from teams with weak WRs... as was noted... guys like gonzo, gates, heap (b4 mason & clayton... wonder if his stas now go DOWN?), crumpler, shockey (pre-plax), etc... a lot of teams that throw a lot to TEs & therefor drive up stats... do so because they have to & have no other choice...
i totally agree that if davis landed in ARI with warner or DET with martz (not ANOTHER receiving weapon!!! couldn't happen... but it is the lions
), you could safely discount previous TE non-use associated with them... rams TEs didn't run routes like gates, et all... if one of these teams drafted davis, you can be sure it wouldn't be to play an impression of a blocking sled dummy...
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I have a couple thoughts on this.1) He would be the only player on the team not named Moss that could catch Collins' fastballs.
2) With Moss/Porter/Davis, Oakland could stretch any defense as thin as warm butter on too much toast... but the O-line can only pass block for about 2.7 of the needed 3.5-4.0 seconds.
3) G.B. gets Super Mario and S.F. gets Davis so Oakland misses out on the marquee names at need positions. Ngata, meet Sapp. Now Sapp, pack your locker.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If Davis does go in the top 7, it bodes well for the Bills and Lions, as either Hawk, Ngata, Williams, or Winston Justice drops to each of those two teams.I have a couple thoughts on this.1) He would be the only player on the team not named Moss that could catch Collins' fastballs.
2) With Moss/Porter/Davis, Oakland could stretch any defense as thin as warm butter on too much toast... but the O-line can only pass block for about 2.7 of the needed 3.5-4.0 seconds.
3) G.B. gets Super Mario and S.F. gets Davis so Oakland misses out on the marquee names at need positions. Ngata, meet Sapp. Now Sapp, pack your locker.
nygiants56
Footballguy
why would dallas need a TE when they have one of the best in the NFL already ( Witten)..good thing you don't work as an NFL GM..
lol
