... just as Crumpler is the best receiver in ATL, and Heap is [was] the best receiver in BAL.I think Jason would compare Davis in SF to Gates in SD with regard to the receivers. Or, KC with Gonzo. THe TE is the best WR.
From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed. He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed. He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.The offense going 3 and out a record number of times, turning the ball over all game, and having a horrible TOP differential put the D in a no-win situation.Considering the 9ers offense is every bit as record-settingly bad as its defense, this would not surprise me at all, especially considering Nolan is supposed to be a bit of a Defensive coach, so theoretically he'd be able to do more with less.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
This is exactly what I said. Their defense has more talent, I agree, but they were, by the records, every bit as terrible as the offense.The 49ers have had statistically one of the worst offenses of the last 2 years as far back as I bothered to look.I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.The offense going 3 and out a record number of times, turning the ball over all game, and having a horrible TOP differential put the D in a no-win situation.Considering the 9ers offense is every bit as record-settingly bad as its defense, this would not surprise me at all, especially considering Nolan is supposed to be a bit of a Defensive coach, so theoretically he'd be able to do more with less.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
They paid Alex Smith way too much money to not get him more help. A TE is the perfect way to do that and makes a QB's job MUCH easier.This is exactly what I said. Their defense has more talent, I agree, but they were, by the records, every bit as terrible as the offense.The 49ers have had statistically one of the worst offenses of the last 2 years as far back as I bothered to look.I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.The offense going 3 and out a record number of times, turning the ball over all game, and having a horrible TOP differential put the D in a no-win situation.Considering the 9ers offense is every bit as record-settingly bad as its defense, this would not surprise me at all, especially considering Nolan is supposed to be a bit of a Defensive coach, so theoretically he'd be able to do more with less.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
By comparison, I had a funny stat in my last mock draft regarding their pass defense. If you took all of the pass defenses of the past decade and ranked them, the 2005 49ers would be 311th (that's last place).
But, being that the offense is just as bad, but that they have more talent on defense, getting a guy like Vernon Davis for Smith to throw to would definitely be a great move. Especially since he can block.
Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].Does Davis own a motorcycle?
Imagine this interview with a GM: How much stock do you put into test scores? 40 times for OL? Weight for a DL? being in a bang cartoon?Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].Does Davis own a motorcycle?
No Postons as his agents? What's this world comin' to?Puttin' you on the spot Jason, since you locked VD in the top 10. Which tean do you beleive will pull the trigger & why?Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].Does Davis own a motorcycle?
Well, in my first mock I had him going to SF at 7...and I'll stick by that, at least until I do Woodrow's Mock 2.0 in the next few days.No Postons as his agents? What's this world comin' to?Puttin' you on the spot Jason, since you locked VD in the top 10. Which tean do you beleive will pull the trigger & why?Nope, and he doesn't refer to himself as a soldier, he doesn't let his emotion take him out of the game, he doesn't have a father who sticks his nose into his business too much and he isn't subject of a hilarious Bang! cartoon [at least not yet].Does Davis own a motorcycle?
The Chicago Bears have been rumored to be interested in a trade with Detroit to draft him. Heard it on FSN.
Yards per passing attempt is a testament to the 49ers losing three of their four starting DBs early in the season; it has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim that the D "didn't wear down."To the contrary, these stats affect TOP and "wearing down the D".I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.The offense going 3 and out a record number of times, turning the ball over all game, and having a horrible TOP differential put the D in a no-win situation.Considering the 9ers offense is every bit as record-settingly bad as its defense, this would not surprise me at all, especially considering Nolan is supposed to be a bit of a Defensive coach, so theoretically he'd be able to do more with less.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
You know, bad defenses cause teams to have low time of possession, too. The defense was on the field for the most plays because they couldn't stop anyone.Here is the breakdown by half for defensive stats in 2005:Yards per passing attempt is a testament to the 49ers losing three of their four starting DBs early in the season; it has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim that the D "didn't wear down."To the contrary, these stats affect TOP and "wearing down the D".I think it was mostly the D completely sucking that put the D in a no-win situation. The Niners defense gave up 7.69 yards per passing attempt, worst in the league; only one other team, the Houston Texans (whose defense also sucked), was even over 7 YPA. Yards per passing attempt isn't a time-of-posession stat; it's not like they were getting worn down with lots of plays on defense. The offense was bad, but the defense was #31 out of 32 (Houston) in yards against per play. There is plenty of blame to go around in SF. Start with the ownership.The offense going 3 and out a record number of times, turning the ball over all game, and having a horrible TOP differential put the D in a no-win situation.Considering the 9ers offense is every bit as record-settingly bad as its defense, this would not surprise me at all, especially considering Nolan is supposed to be a bit of a Defensive coach, so theoretically he'd be able to do more with less.
The D has talent and will be fine. The offense is what needs help.
The SF offense last year:
*ran the fewest offensive plays in the NFL
*had the lowest 3rd down conv rate (24%)
*had the most 3 and outs in the NFL
*had the 2nd lowest TOP in the NFL (27.18, jets at 26.37)
*the defense was on the field for the most plays in the NFL last year
I guess watching every game I was able to actually see the D get worn down game by game, which is why to me an improvement in the offense from horrible to mediocre would be a huge boost to the defense.
Draft VD and get ready for the talking heads to praise "Nolan's effect on the defense in year two". You'll know what it really was.
Take it fwiw
YRs CMP ATT PYD Y/A FD PTD INT RSH RSHYD YD/RSH FD RSHTD FP2005 196 304 2466 8.11 108 15 5 234 952 4.07 61 8 658.102005 178 271 2151 7.94 97 13 11 252 879 3.49 52 11 592.25
The Clemson game everyone is referring to was simply amazing. He went 6-140 and a score and looked much better than his stat line. This season Maryland had very few offensive options, and unsteady QB play (which is a polite way to say it).There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed. He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
I think he still is. Mason got more yards than Heap, but Heap got 7 TDs while Mason only got 3. Heap was hurt a bit this season as well.... just as Crumpler is the best receiver in ATL, and Heap is [was] the best receiver in BAL.I think Jason would compare Davis in SF to Gates in SD with regard to the receivers. Or, KC with Gonzo. THe TE is the best WR.
I can go with you on this. I don't have the breadth of knowledge about college ball & pro porspects that many here do, so my criticisms are sort of in a vacuum. Trust me, I was thrilled to be able to root for Davis as a member of the Terps. I just wanted to pass along some things that I saw that could cause a bit of concern. It may well be that Davis took off less plays, ran fewer sloppy routes, and short-armed less passes than any TE prospect in history - I don't know, because I don't follow other players as closely as I do "mine". And I don't see any of his perceived (from my perspective) problems as being uncorrectable. That having been said, Vernon has made himself a ton of money over the last several days. I'll certainly be pulling for him.There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed. He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
It would make sense and I'd like that move for Chicago, but they better wait til draft day to pull that trade since I'm thinking VD could be gone by Detroit's pick.Someone posted this on the Chargers board:
The Chicago Bears have been rumored to be interested in a trade with Detroit to draft him. Heard it on FSN.
Rumor has it the Rear Admirals are already in negotiations.It would make sense and I'd like that move for Chicago, but they better wait til draft day to pull that trade since I'm thinking VD could be gone by Detroit's pick.Someone posted this on the Chargers board:
The Chicago Bears have been rumored to be interested in a trade with Detroit to draft him. Heard it on FSN.
I'd just like to know how he masks his steroids so well. What this guy is doing just isn't natural. I don't care how hard he works.
I know from my experience that the more you pay attention to "your" guys you tend to see more of the bad as well as the good of certain guys, especially the ultra-talented ones.I can go with you on this. I don't have the breadth of knowledge about college ball & pro porspects that many here do, so my criticisms are sort of in a vacuum. Trust me, I was thrilled to be able to root for Davis as a member of the Terps. I just wanted to pass along some things that I saw that could cause a bit of concern. It may well be that Davis took off less plays, ran fewer sloppy routes, and short-armed less passes than any TE prospect in history - I don't know, because I don't follow other players as closely as I do "mine". And I don't see any of his perceived (from my perspective) problems as being uncorrectable. That having been said, Vernon has made himself a ton of money over the last several days. I'll certainly be pulling for him.There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed. He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
As poorly executed as it was, that was kinda my pointI know from my experience that the more you pay attention to "your" guys you tend to see more of the bad as well as the good of certain guys, especially the ultra-talented ones.I can go with you on this. I don't have the breadth of knowledge about college ball & pro porspects that many here do, so my criticisms are sort of in a vacuum. Trust me, I was thrilled to be able to root for Davis as a member of the Terps. I just wanted to pass along some things that I saw that could cause a bit of concern. It may well be that Davis took off less plays, ran fewer sloppy routes, and short-armed less passes than any TE prospect in history - I don't know, because I don't follow other players as closely as I do "mine". And I don't see any of his perceived (from my perspective) problems as being uncorrectable. That having been said, Vernon has made himself a ton of money over the last several days. I'll certainly be pulling for him.There are questions about every player and hearing about "occasional" lapses in concentration are not a huge concern for me. What I do know about the guy is that he's 6-3, 250 pounds, powerful, can block, great hands, runs a sub-4.4, is agile and is a very smart guy. Whoever gets this guy is going to be thrilled and instantly be a much better team. The sky is the limit for him and if he is used the right way he'll blow away TE records.From what I saw of a few Terps games, and what I've heard, he has some "focus" issues. He certainly doesn't seem to suffer from a Winslowesque 10-cent head, but he seemed to go through stretches where he wasn't in the game, dropping balls, running sloppy routes, etc. (between stretches of being nearly unstoppable). I seem to recall hearing that he wasn't the most dedicated player in practice, either. Not saying he isn't an awesome prospect, especially with those measurables, but I wouldn't say there are no concerns about him whatsoever, either.Couple of comments: Ralph Friedgen runs one of the most complicated offenses on college football. He has simplified it the last two years because of QB & OL issues, but in comparison with other Os it's hardly simple.He is such a freak. 33 reps on the bench and people were disappointed. He is ahead of Winslow in the psychological and intangible stuff in addition to the crazy measureables. He seems like a good kid, solid, no issues, hard hard worker.Kellen Winslow had all the physical tools, but had an inconsistent time in his final college season and from a maturity standpoint represented a HUGE risk as a top 10 pick. Not so for Vern...
He is behind Winslow as a football player though (measureables aside). TE is one of the toughest positions on the field to learn, and Vernon has been in a simplified system. Despite his strength he is easily knocked off his routes, and he's not much for getting to the right spot. Against Boston College his pass blocking started getting questioned because he was twice run over by blitzing linebackers. Looking at the other TEs in this draft I would rank at least four of them ahead of him as blockers. I also like a couple others ahead of him as receivers (Byrd and Lewis), but that's only because they're more polished right now. Davis is head and shoulders above all TEs for receiving potential, but he's far from a sure thing, and that's what you need with those top 10 picks.
I agree with you about his commitment to blocking, or going & getting the ball for that matter. I saw him alligator-arm potential catches on a few occasions. He also didn't always run the crispest patterns (though, given the MD QB woes the last two years, the ball wouldn't have gotten there anyway). However, then he'd turn around & have a game like he did against Clemson where he caught everything & ran over Tigers DBs all day long.
Please don't turn this into a clique thread.Rumor has it the Rear Admirals are already in negotiations.It would make sense and I'd like that move for Chicago, but they better wait til draft day to pull that trade since I'm thinking VD could be gone by Detroit's pick.Someone posted this on the Chargers board:
The Chicago Bears have been rumored to be interested in a trade with Detroit to draft him. Heard it on FSN.
Please don't turn this into a clique thread.Rumor has it the Rear Admirals are already in negotiations.It would make sense and I'd like that move for Chicago, but they better wait til draft day to pull that trade since I'm thinking VD could be gone by Detroit's pick.Someone posted this on the Chargers board:
The Chicago Bears have been rumored to be interested in a trade with Detroit to draft him. Heard it on FSN.
I have a couple thoughts on this.1) He would be the only player on the team not named Moss that could catch Collins' fastballs.Add to this time the fact that he benches 460 lbs, squats almost 700 and has a 40" vertical jump, and it's obvious he's a freak of nature. He aslo holds the Maryland record in the 40 at 4.41, so this time isn't much of a surprise. He's a decent, but not great blocker, but any team that drafts him is not going to want him blocking anyway - they'll want him running routes. He could EASILY be a Gates/Gonzalez-type impact guy and should be a top-10 pick.
Would anyone be shocked to see Al Davis fall in love with his measurables and draft him at #6 or 7, despite glaring defensive needs?
If Davis does go in the top 7, it bodes well for the Bills and Lions, as either Hawk, Ngata, Williams, or Winston Justice drops to each of those two teams.I have a couple thoughts on this.1) He would be the only player on the team not named Moss that could catch Collins' fastballs.Add to this time the fact that he benches 460 lbs, squats almost 700 and has a 40" vertical jump, and it's obvious he's a freak of nature. He aslo holds the Maryland record in the 40 at 4.41, so this time isn't much of a surprise. He's a decent, but not great blocker, but any team that drafts him is not going to want him blocking anyway - they'll want him running routes. He could EASILY be a Gates/Gonzalez-type impact guy and should be a top-10 pick.
Would anyone be shocked to see Al Davis fall in love with his measurables and draft him at #6 or 7, despite glaring defensive needs?
2) With Moss/Porter/Davis, Oakland could stretch any defense as thin as warm butter on too much toast... but the O-line can only pass block for about 2.7 of the needed 3.5-4.0 seconds.
3) G.B. gets Super Mario and S.F. gets Davis so Oakland misses out on the marquee names at need positions. Ngata, meet Sapp. Now Sapp, pack your locker.
why would dallas need a TE when they have one of the best in the NFL already ( Witten)..good thing you don't work as an NFL GM..So much for the the thought of him dropping to Dallas at 18.....