mr roboto
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The one coach? I would think most coaches wouldn't play a UDFA who can't catch.
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victor cruz? (1 Viewer)
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no he was 4th prior to hixon tearing his acl. nicks, manningham, hixon, then cruz.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
He's the #6 WR/TE in my PPR league. I didn't even start him till after his bye.
Dought Man
Footballguy
WR #4 in my non ppr. This guy has just been off the charts and really makes hay in 2nd half garbage time. The Giants will be in a ton og garbage time games going forward. Packers, Cowboys.... Cruz will continue putting up huge huge weeks.
150/2 likely against the Pack this week.
150/2 likely against the Pack this week.
Hank Mardukas
Footballguy
As long as Bradshaw is out, Cruz remains a huge play. Jacobs is terrible. The only thing he can do is lumber forward and put his head down. The Giants are going to have to air it out if they want any chance of being competitive.
doowain
Footballguy
You can call it all garbage time if you want, but he still had 4-57 in the first half when it was still competitive.
He's looking more and more like he's not a fluke.
What is more telling of his talent level for me are the games vs the Eagles where he routinely buried Nnamdi. He's so quick in and out of his breaks that he's hard to cover. Most importantly Eli seems to look for him even more than Nicks now.
He's looking more and more like he's not a fluke.
What is more telling of his talent level for me are the games vs the Eagles where he routinely buried Nnamdi. He's so quick in and out of his breaks that he's hard to cover. Most importantly Eli seems to look for him even more than Nicks now.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Yee hawww 
identikit
Footballguy
Nope.Nor is Barden.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Anyone trade Cruz yet? Whether it be for him or trade him away. PPR Dynasty or keeper preferred. Curious as to what his value is.
doowain
Footballguy
I put him on the block in the 4 leagues where I owned him a few weeks back and haven't received anything I'd take. I didn't think I was overvaluing him then and I certainly wouldn't take those offers now. He's a hold for me now.
People weren't believers after his first couple big games, but he's doing it consistently now. Fair to say that you shouldn't accept "fluke prices" for him.
In comparison to the other waiver wire darling (Laurent Robinson), I'd MUCH rather have Cruz in dynasty.
People weren't believers after his first couple big games, but he's doing it consistently now. Fair to say that you shouldn't accept "fluke prices" for him.
In comparison to the other waiver wire darling (Laurent Robinson), I'd MUCH rather have Cruz in dynasty.
identikit
Footballguy
some current info on Cruz' status for this week:
Not him too!
Paterson native Victor Cruz has been added to the Giants' pre-practice injury report with a hip injury. The severity of the receiver's injury is not known, but coach Tom Coughlin will address reporters at 3:15.
Cruz caught nine passes for 157 yards and two touchdowns in Monday night's loss to the Saints.
The rest of the players listed are not surprises:
LT Will Beatty (eye/back), LB Michael Boley (hamstring), RB Ahmad Bradshaw (foot), LB Mark Herzlich (ankle), WR Mario Manningham (knee), DB/ST Derrick Martin (hamstring), DE Justin Tuck (ankle) and DE Osi Umenyiora (ankle/knee).
Tuck is no longer listed as having a shoulder injury, just his sprained ankle.
http://blogs.northje..._injury_report/
ETA
per Ralph Vacchiano:
WR Victor Cruz's hip injury "may slow him down for a day," but otherwise isn't serious, Coughlin said. #NYG
Not him too!
Paterson native Victor Cruz has been added to the Giants' pre-practice injury report with a hip injury. The severity of the receiver's injury is not known, but coach Tom Coughlin will address reporters at 3:15.
Cruz caught nine passes for 157 yards and two touchdowns in Monday night's loss to the Saints.
The rest of the players listed are not surprises:
LT Will Beatty (eye/back), LB Michael Boley (hamstring), RB Ahmad Bradshaw (foot), LB Mark Herzlich (ankle), WR Mario Manningham (knee), DB/ST Derrick Martin (hamstring), DE Justin Tuck (ankle) and DE Osi Umenyiora (ankle/knee).
Tuck is no longer listed as having a shoulder injury, just his sprained ankle.
http://blogs.northje..._injury_report/
ETA
per Ralph Vacchiano:
WR Victor Cruz's hip injury "may slow him down for a day," but otherwise isn't serious, Coughlin said. #NYG
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In my dynasty league I signed him to my practice squad after week 2. He was promoted to my active roster after week 4. I CAME UP!
http://www9.myfantasyleague.com/2011/home/28743#0
Also traded TB Mike Williams for Jordy Nelson and a 2012 1st Round Pick after week 1.
http://www9.myfantasyleague.com/2011/home/28743#0
Also traded TB Mike Williams for Jordy Nelson and a 2012 1st Round Pick after week 1.
jwb
Footballguy
Cruz is a definite dynasty hold - perhaps he's an interesting player to push a teetering trade over the top.
I own him in one league (much like Miles Austin, just basically got lucky and happened to be holding him when he blew up... earlier this year, the guy was probably on 4 or 5 different rosters in most leagues I'm in), and I probably wouldn't trade him right now, but I am still just a little skeptical. The reason is, if you watch him (and I've seen every game/catch), he's had some incredible breaks for huge plays. Plays where the ball is batted around and he gets it, or there's just some fluke that results in a TD, etc. So I do feel there's a degree of "luck" here, but then again, at some point, if this keeps up, we're going to have to say the kid makes his own luck, too. There is "something" there, and the fans LOVE him.
He's putting up WR1 numbers right now, but I would definitely not pay that price for him (nobody will at this point). WR2... I dunno. Would I pay a Crabtree-type price for him? Probably not, but I could see someone doing that.
I own him in one league (much like Miles Austin, just basically got lucky and happened to be holding him when he blew up... earlier this year, the guy was probably on 4 or 5 different rosters in most leagues I'm in), and I probably wouldn't trade him right now, but I am still just a little skeptical. The reason is, if you watch him (and I've seen every game/catch), he's had some incredible breaks for huge plays. Plays where the ball is batted around and he gets it, or there's just some fluke that results in a TD, etc. So I do feel there's a degree of "luck" here, but then again, at some point, if this keeps up, we're going to have to say the kid makes his own luck, too. There is "something" there, and the fans LOVE him.
He's putting up WR1 numbers right now, but I would definitely not pay that price for him (nobody will at this point). WR2... I dunno. Would I pay a Crabtree-type price for him? Probably not, but I could see someone doing that.
doowain
Footballguy
I don't know that I'd give Crabtree for him, but I also don't think I'd trade him for Crabtree....so I guess his true value is somewhere in that range.
He's a hold in the sense that he has the potential to be a WR1, but no one will pay a WR1 price for him. I'd rather hold and hope he ends up as a WR1 and risk him being a WR2 than sell him at WR2 price just to watch him become a WR1.
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jimmy b
Footballguy
Though i was being slick....passed over Cruz for Brandon Stokley.
Going to be very interesting next year to see how this shakes out.
H. Nicks
V. Cruz
M. Manningham
R. Barden
J. Jernigan
D. Thomas
J. Ballard
T. Beckum
B. Pascoe
I know Steve Smith" it has been reported" to be interesred
in coming back to the Giants next season.
Looks like it might be bye bye Mario
Stay tuned
Going to be very interesting next year to see how this shakes out.
H. Nicks
V. Cruz
M. Manningham
R. Barden
J. Jernigan
D. Thomas
J. Ballard
T. Beckum
B. Pascoe
I know Steve Smith" it has been reported" to be interesred
in coming back to the Giants next season.
Looks like it might be bye bye Mario
Stay tuned
He was traded tonight in one of my 12 team PPR start 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR dynasty leagues.Team A (currently #1 seed) gave his 2012 1st, Hardesty, RidleyTeam B (currently #12) gave Cruz, Ronnie BrownTeam A had been starting Fitzgerald, Antonio Brown and Rice or Nelson at WR each week.
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ThePittbully
Footballguy
I traded for him the Saturday right before week 8 so his value is probably much different now since he's the #4 WR at this point but here's what I gave for him in a PPR Dynasty:Team A gave up: Victor Cruz NYG WR, David Hawthorne SEA LB, E.J. Henderson MIN LB, 2012 1st+2nd+3rd round picks
Team B gave up: Vincent Jackson SDC WR, Deandre Levy DET LB, Lawrence Timmons PIT LB
I'm not a big Vjax fan, I think he's a guy who puts up huge games in easy matchups and disappears against stiffer competition. I'd also been pretty impressed with Cruz for a while, he was great in preseason this year and last. He was coming off a down week but had 3 great games before that. So far I'm pretty happy
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chinawildman
Footballguy
Manningham questioning whether he needs season ending surgery.
If manningham is out for the season, this IMO cements Cruz as top 10, if not top 5 the rest of the way.
If manningham is out for the season, this IMO cements Cruz as top 10, if not top 5 the rest of the way.
griff321
Footballguy
I want to have Victor Cruz' babies. He's on track to be top 5 this season!
proninja
Footballguy
Why predicting such a steep decline?
griff321
Footballguy
He's certainly not a lock to sustain this production, but the way he left DBs in a puddle is something special. He's been doing this all season, and against some of the very best. I'm enjoying the ride.
Can I be in your league? Cruz > VJax currently and Hawthorne+Henderson > Levy + Timmons so how did you get 3 of his first draft picks along with it? VJax turns 29 in January...Cruz just turned 25...VJax has shown that he's overrated and disappears often and has reached his ceiling while Cruz amazingly has not reached his ceiling. Levy fantasy-wise is useless due to the ridiculous defensive line in front of him along with Tulloch. Timmons has been going downhill since the second half of the 2010 season. So in this trade, in my opinion at least, you won in both the current production and future potential departments...so how the hell did you get his 1st-3rd round picks too? I predict this league dying soon due to the lopsidedness of trades like these.
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Mistake. Ever heard of regression to the mean?
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
It's my belief that victor Cruz is somewhat talented, as talented as a real life nfl wr2 needs to be, but he isn't this good. Every single touchdown is so ### #### fluky. And yes, I owned nicks and manningham. But seriously, #### this guy.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
HE is now the #4 WR in my PPR league.
biggamer3
Footballguy
that 99 yarder was fluky? He made two people miss and outran the safety, he is legit
You owe it to yourself to gain some knowledge.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Manningham is a FA I think.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
LOL what? Vjax is ranked top 10 in most dynasty ranking still. Ej Henderson will likely not be starting for Minnesota next year and going into this season Timmons was in most top 3 dynasty rankings. At the time of the trade Cruz was coming off a few big games and then a down game, but that was all anyone really had to go off of. I was a believer, but at that point a lot of people, including staffers here, were still doubting his ability to be a consistent fantasy WR much less a WR1. Also a good D line in front of a LB usually equates to them being freed up and giving a lot of tackle opportunities, Levy is a good LB he would just be a better IDP player if he was allowed to play MLB again. I still think I got a great deal, but to say the league is going to go down because of lopsided deals like this is kind of silly in my opinion. At the time I did the trade I had people telling me not to do it, and the guy I traded with also ended up going to the championship in that league.
Xue
Footballguy
They should let him walk. Need a true slot option.
Steve Smith is a free agent ... It would be nice ofDream team to get him into playing shape for the Giants to sign him back
KentGraham10
Footballguy
Cruz is great, but Nicks and Eli are big contributors to his success. Nick's TD shows you what he can do with single coverage, bad hammy and all.
EDIT: For Fantasy Football purposes though, let's just say I'm happy Cruz is the Giant WR I own out of the two
EDIT: For Fantasy Football purposes though, let's just say I'm happy Cruz is the Giant WR I own out of the two
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identikit
Footballguy
Interesting how things work out:
Giants' Victor Cruz rose to surprise stardom after team nearly waived him
By Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger
INDIANAPOLIS — Jerry Reese was sitting almost alone in the south end-zone seats at Lucas Oil Stadium today, about 10 rows above and another 20 or so yards away from Super Bowl XLVI Media Day, where Victor Cruz was seated on a riser.
"People call it lucky. I say we got blessed with the situation. I'd rather frame it that way," the Giants' general manager said of the franchise's new single-season receiving leader, once an overlooked undrafted free agent. "I'm happy for the kid. He's a local, afterthought free agent and now he's got a podium out there.
"That's beautiful, man. You can't make that up."
The Giants aren't here, preparing for Sunday's game against the New England Patriots, if not for Cruz. That much can't be made up, either.
And Cruz isn't here if not for a few unnamed members of the Giants' front office. Also a fact.
Put simply: Cruz was almost waived when the Giants trimmed their roster to 53 players in September 2010. Put even more bluntly: For a few minutes, he was waived with the hope he'd go unclaimed and land on the Giants' practice squad. But a few of the decision-makers that day reversed a decision that could've had a huge impact on this Super Bowl season following the loss of wide receiver Steve Smith.
At least that's been the rumor the past 17 months, a rumbling one of Cruz's alleged rescuers confirmed to The Star-Ledger today for the first time.
"He was saved by some upper-echelon Giants front-office people," senior vice president of player evaluation Chris Mara said. "I'll put it that way."
And apparently more than once.
"It's no big secret he was on the bubble both years," Mara said. "That happens a lot. Look at (James) Harrison from Pittsburgh. He got cut (four) times."
Good point. Continue.
"He wouldn't have made it to the practice squad," Mara said, indicating a team would've claimed Cruz. "I mean, was it a matter of him maybe playing in a Jet uniform?"
Or in any uniform, for that matter.
"No," Mara interjected to emphasize his point. "I said in a Jet uniform."
Ah. We're all caught up now.
In 2010, the Giants had some tough decisions to make at final cuts, as every team does every year. They cut veteran receiver Derek Hagan, only to bring him back later in the season after they placed Cruz and Ramses Barden on injured reserve.
The Giants would've preferred to stash Cruz on the practice squad while he made the adjustment from UMass to the NFL. But his three-touchdown performance against the Jets in the preseason opener, the film that came with it and a quote from Rex Ryan all combined to save his Giants career.
"I hope they cut him," Ryan said after Cruz torched his backup defensive backs. "I know one team that would be ready to sign him, and that'd be us."
Imagine for a moment Cruz's 99-yard touchdown coming for the Jets and not against them. Think of him doing a salsa in front of Fireman Ed. Consider, if you can, whether Mark Sanchez would be here now while Tom Coughlin was potentially out of a job and Reese was under scrutiny infinitely worse than what he experienced in August when he let Smith and Kevin Boss walk.
Wonder no more.
Lucky? Blessed? Whatever. Cruz is a Giant despite a few times when he almost wasn't.
"We really weren't sure what we had with him (in 2010), and this past preseason he really didn't do that much. We were still wondering, 'Is this that guy we saw a year ago or not?'" Reese said. "And then, there was some discussion ..."
Translation: about whether to keep him or not.
"... and he ends up staying on the roster and gets out there. And the first pass of the season thrown to him, he dropped it, so we're still not sure about the guy. 'Who is this guy?'"
He was a hard-working guy from Paterson who put in extra film work before the lockout, attended Eli Manning's Hoboken workouts during the NFL's work stoppage and proved the jobs held by Reese, Mara and the rest of the front office are extremely difficult because the 53rd man on the roster (or, briefly, the unlucky 54th) can become a record-setting player.
"Anytime there's a guy who's come relatively from nowhere, to climb up and really work hard and do what you have to do (shows) a tremendous effort from me," said Cruz, who had 1,536 receiving yards in the regular season and has added 244 yards in the playoffs. "It's definitely a unique situation and one I'll definitely cherish for the rest of my career."
A career that almost led him elsewhere.
"That's the beauty of personnel," Reese said. "You draft guys high and sometimes you get guys as free agents and all of a sudden the free agent throws up a Hall of Fame career at you. We've seen that happen many times."
Reese added, "To us, the last guy on the roster is important. We don't just willy-nilly anybody. You just can't come off the street and get on the roster, If you're on our roster, we think you have some ability.
"And Victor has far exceeded any expectation."
Mike Garafolo: mgarafolo@starledger.com; twitter.com/MikeGarafolo
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/giants_victor_cruz_rose_to_sur.html
Giants' Victor Cruz rose to surprise stardom after team nearly waived him
By Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger
INDIANAPOLIS — Jerry Reese was sitting almost alone in the south end-zone seats at Lucas Oil Stadium today, about 10 rows above and another 20 or so yards away from Super Bowl XLVI Media Day, where Victor Cruz was seated on a riser.
"People call it lucky. I say we got blessed with the situation. I'd rather frame it that way," the Giants' general manager said of the franchise's new single-season receiving leader, once an overlooked undrafted free agent. "I'm happy for the kid. He's a local, afterthought free agent and now he's got a podium out there.
"That's beautiful, man. You can't make that up."
The Giants aren't here, preparing for Sunday's game against the New England Patriots, if not for Cruz. That much can't be made up, either.
And Cruz isn't here if not for a few unnamed members of the Giants' front office. Also a fact.
Put simply: Cruz was almost waived when the Giants trimmed their roster to 53 players in September 2010. Put even more bluntly: For a few minutes, he was waived with the hope he'd go unclaimed and land on the Giants' practice squad. But a few of the decision-makers that day reversed a decision that could've had a huge impact on this Super Bowl season following the loss of wide receiver Steve Smith.
At least that's been the rumor the past 17 months, a rumbling one of Cruz's alleged rescuers confirmed to The Star-Ledger today for the first time.
"He was saved by some upper-echelon Giants front-office people," senior vice president of player evaluation Chris Mara said. "I'll put it that way."
And apparently more than once.
"It's no big secret he was on the bubble both years," Mara said. "That happens a lot. Look at (James) Harrison from Pittsburgh. He got cut (four) times."
Good point. Continue.
"He wouldn't have made it to the practice squad," Mara said, indicating a team would've claimed Cruz. "I mean, was it a matter of him maybe playing in a Jet uniform?"
Or in any uniform, for that matter.
"No," Mara interjected to emphasize his point. "I said in a Jet uniform."
Ah. We're all caught up now.
In 2010, the Giants had some tough decisions to make at final cuts, as every team does every year. They cut veteran receiver Derek Hagan, only to bring him back later in the season after they placed Cruz and Ramses Barden on injured reserve.
The Giants would've preferred to stash Cruz on the practice squad while he made the adjustment from UMass to the NFL. But his three-touchdown performance against the Jets in the preseason opener, the film that came with it and a quote from Rex Ryan all combined to save his Giants career.
"I hope they cut him," Ryan said after Cruz torched his backup defensive backs. "I know one team that would be ready to sign him, and that'd be us."
Imagine for a moment Cruz's 99-yard touchdown coming for the Jets and not against them. Think of him doing a salsa in front of Fireman Ed. Consider, if you can, whether Mark Sanchez would be here now while Tom Coughlin was potentially out of a job and Reese was under scrutiny infinitely worse than what he experienced in August when he let Smith and Kevin Boss walk.
Wonder no more.
Lucky? Blessed? Whatever. Cruz is a Giant despite a few times when he almost wasn't.
"We really weren't sure what we had with him (in 2010), and this past preseason he really didn't do that much. We were still wondering, 'Is this that guy we saw a year ago or not?'" Reese said. "And then, there was some discussion ..."
Translation: about whether to keep him or not.
"... and he ends up staying on the roster and gets out there. And the first pass of the season thrown to him, he dropped it, so we're still not sure about the guy. 'Who is this guy?'"
He was a hard-working guy from Paterson who put in extra film work before the lockout, attended Eli Manning's Hoboken workouts during the NFL's work stoppage and proved the jobs held by Reese, Mara and the rest of the front office are extremely difficult because the 53rd man on the roster (or, briefly, the unlucky 54th) can become a record-setting player.
"Anytime there's a guy who's come relatively from nowhere, to climb up and really work hard and do what you have to do (shows) a tremendous effort from me," said Cruz, who had 1,536 receiving yards in the regular season and has added 244 yards in the playoffs. "It's definitely a unique situation and one I'll definitely cherish for the rest of my career."
A career that almost led him elsewhere.
"That's the beauty of personnel," Reese said. "You draft guys high and sometimes you get guys as free agents and all of a sudden the free agent throws up a Hall of Fame career at you. We've seen that happen many times."
Reese added, "To us, the last guy on the roster is important. We don't just willy-nilly anybody. You just can't come off the street and get on the roster, If you're on our roster, we think you have some ability.
"And Victor has far exceeded any expectation."
Mike Garafolo: mgarafolo@starledger.com; twitter.com/MikeGarafolo
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/giants_victor_cruz_rose_to_sur.html
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