Vikings deal for McNabb--done deal (1 Viewer)

[Funkley]

Dude will be poisonous to the squad. I don't want him anywhere near the team. I mean, what's the purpose? They're clearly in rebuilding mode. Do they really expect that he'll mentor Ponder?

Two things.....Give the impression of still trying to win while they beg for a stadium and not get Ponder killed behind this line.

Signing McNabb gives me the impression of desperation.

I'm conflicted.....guess I would preferred someone other than McNabb but I think starting Ponder from day 1 would be a disaster. And they are desperate. They are very close to a full blown remodel. Not what Zigi wanted when begging for his stadium.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm conflicted.....guess I would preferred someone other than McNabb but I think starting Ponder from day 1 would be a disaster. And they are desperate. They are very close to a full blown remodel. Not what Zigi wanted when begging for his stadium.

If Favre taking them to the NFC Championship game after a 14-2 season couldn't get the momentum necessary for a stadium, McNabb helping them limp to a 6-10 record (versus, say, 4-12 with Ponder) isn't going to make much of a difference.

 

[Insein]

I think people are letting last season's debacle cloud their judgement on McNabb. Shanahan is an idiot. Without a guy named John Elway, would we even know who Shanahan is? Who benches a starting QB for Rex Grossman regardless of their personal feelings?

McNabb can still play. I think Minnesota will be good for him. Its not ideal but with the pieces they have, they can make a legitimate run at the playoffs. The Oline, while not good is better than Washington's was last year. You have Adrian to hand off too. Harvin is a dynamic weapon. Plus the one thing McNabb is known for is the big arm. Sidney Rice has got to recognize that and consider the stats he could put up with McNabb throwing bombs to him at least once or twice a game.

Ponder is the future but he was way overdrafted. This takes the pressure off. Mcnabb will start this season and presumably next if they play well. This gives Ponder 1 or 2 years to learn and then come in after learning the whole offense instead of getting destroyed in the trial by fire approach.

I'll be looking to buy low on McNabb in the 10+ round area in my 2QB league. Would be a good guy to have as the 3rd QB with hopes he becomes more.

 

[Funkley]

I'm conflicted.....guess I would preferred someone other than McNabb but I think starting Ponder from day 1 would be a disaster. And they are desperate. They are very close to a full blown remodel. Not what Zigi wanted when begging for his stadium.

If Favre taking them to the NFC Championship game after a 14-2 season couldn't get the momentum necessary for a stadium, McNabb helping them limp to a 6-10 record (versus, say, 4-12 with Ponder) isn't going to make much of a difference.

I dont disagree.

 

[Dexter Manley]

My god, McNabb is such a buster.

Personal issues, not money now holding up McNabb tradePosted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 27, 2011, 10:36 AM EDT It appears by all accounts that Donovan McNabb will likely be a Minnesota Viking sooner than later.The most difficult part of completing the deal is not the trade compensation. The most logical sticking point was how to handle McNabb’s contract, but ESPN reports that the financial considerations are taken care of.So why isn’t it a done deal just yet? Apparently McNabb isn’t thrilled with “how the Vikings side of the situation was handled.”I grudgingly have to give Florio credit here. [Editor's note: Kiss my butt, Mr. Marbles.] He’s been saying all offseason that McNabb may not embrace a situation unless the red carpet is rolled out for him. The opposite seems to be happening in Minnesota.It appears via multiple reports that McNabb may have been a backup plan in Minnesota to acquiring Tyler Thigpen. That could be tough news for McNabb to swallow. Even Christian Ponder’s ostensibly harmless quotes about competing to start could be viewed by McNabb as a threat when he wants the starting gig.ESPN’s Adam Schefter compared the situation to all the commotion about the lockout late last week. After emotions subside, he fully expects McNabb to join the Vikings. Florio wonders via IM (remember, we’re like 12-year-old girls) if someone in the Vikings front office is leaking things to make McNabb think twice because there is disagreement in the organization about taking McNabb on.We do anticipate McNabb allowing the deal to go through because his best chance for success.No matter what happens, it’s clear we’ve come a long way from the moment McNabb was welcomed to Washington as a franchise savior.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/personal-issues-not-money-now-holding-up-mcnabb-trade/

 

[BigJim®]

My god, McNabb is such a buster.

Personal issues, not money now holding up McNabb tradePosted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 27, 2011, 10:36 AM EDT It appears by all accounts that Donovan McNabb will likely be a Minnesota Viking sooner than later.The most difficult part of completing the deal is not the trade compensation. The most logical sticking point was how to handle McNabb’s contract, but ESPN reports that the financial considerations are taken care of.So why isn’t it a done deal just yet? Apparently McNabb isn’t thrilled with “how the Vikings side of the situation was handled.”I grudgingly have to give Florio credit here. [Editor's note: Kiss my butt, Mr. Marbles.] He’s been saying all offseason that McNabb may not embrace a situation unless the red carpet is rolled out for him. The opposite seems to be happening in Minnesota.It appears via multiple reports that McNabb may have been a backup plan in Minnesota to acquiring Tyler Thigpen. That could be tough news for McNabb to swallow. Even Christian Ponder’s ostensibly harmless quotes about competing to start could be viewed by McNabb as a threat when he wants the starting gig.ESPN’s Adam Schefter compared the situation to all the commotion about the lockout late last week. After emotions subside, he fully expects McNabb to join the Vikings. Florio wonders via IM (remember, we’re like 12-year-old girls) if someone in the Vikings front office is leaking things to make McNabb think twice because there is disagreement in the organization about taking McNabb on.We do anticipate McNabb allowing the deal to go through because his best chance for success.No matter what happens, it’s clear we’ve come a long way from the moment McNabb was welcomed to Washington as a franchise savior.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/personal-issues-not-money-now-holding-up-mcnabb-trade/

McNabb is a lazy crybaby who demands to be pampered and overindulged. This is a guy who reportedly could not remember the Redskins plays, yet refused to wear a wrist band due to his massive ego. He's a man who cried and whined behind the scenes to extract financial 'apologies' when he was sat in both Philly and DC. How anyone thinks acquiring him as a gap filler/tudor can do anything but is beyond me.

 

[identikit]

According to Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, the Redskins have traded quarterback Donovan McNabb to the Minnesota Vikings for a 2012 sixth-round pick and a conditional 2013 sixth-round pick. This news had been dragging for a very long time because McNabb needed to restructure his contract. The Redskins gave McNabb a $10 million option bonus when they extended his contract last season. Rookie Christian Ponder was set to be the starter in Minnesota, but this move will put that on hold.

Fantasy Analysis:

A sixth round pick is all the Skins got for one of the great quarterbacks of this generation. That's what happens when you stick around just a little bit too long. This is a Fantasy situation best left untouched. While the Vikings have a great running game and nice set of receivers (assuming Sidney Rice returns), their offensive line isn't built to pass protect. The Vikings reached to select Ponder for a reason. They must've felt he was ready to play on Day 1. McNabb has only played a full 16-game season once in the last seven seasons so Ponder will more than likely get a shot to show what he can do.

Source: Comcast's Kelli Johnson via Twitter

 

[identikit]

Now Schefter is reporting:

Donovan McNabb trade to Minnesota now official. Done. Will be announced Thursday.

 

[SWC]

mcnasty is a serious player and instantly transforms the vikings into a contender forthe norris and will bring some class back to the organization that lost it all when they tried to ride the back of the brett weiner texter john edwards II favre who cheated on his wife with sideline reporters and tried to hit on massage therapists while the lovely

Deanna was recovering from breast cancer so take it to the bank!

 

[mozzy84]

:X

 

[kylechoffman]

Who is he throwing to now that Rice has moved on? Think they sign a wr?

Whos left -

Vincent Jackson, Chargers

Steve Smith, Giants

Braylon Edwards, Jets

Mike Sims Walker, Jaguars

Malcolm Floyd, Chargers

James Jones

Derrick Mason, Ravens

Chad OchoCinco

Randy Moss, Titans

Mark Clayton

Plaxico Buress, Rikers Island

TJ Houshmanzadah

Brandon Stokely - Just heard dukes say that he signed with skins on NFL network

Kevin Curtis

Roy Williams

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Who is he throwing to now that Rice has moved on? Think they sign a wr?

Whos left -

Plaxico Buress, Rikers Island

Nice lolOut of the group you listed I think Edwards makes sense.

 

[Gachi]

He's an upgrade from grandpa Favre, that's for damn sure.

 

[thatguythere]

Run for your life Donovan....! It's going to be so good watching Suh eat him some chunky soup.

 

[thatguythere]

He's an upgrade from grandpa Favre, that's for damn sure.

No he isn't.

 

[Insein]

He's an upgrade from grandpa Favre, that's for damn sure.

No he isn't.

Did you watch Favre last year? Yes he is.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yuck.

 

[RUSF18]

I like the potential combination of Floyd and Harvin.

 

[sho nuff]

They are pursuing James Jones now.

 

[snogger]

Dude will be poisonous to the squad. I don't want him anywhere near the team. I mean, what's the purpose? They're clearly in rebuilding mode. Do they really expect that he'll mentor Ponder?

Two things.....Give the impression of still trying to win while they beg for a stadium and not get Ponder killed behind this line.

Signing McNabb gives me the impression of desperation.

McNabb starting for the first 4 to 8 games is, IMO, great for Ponder. It will give him a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.As Patrick Reusse stated today about Rodgers.. had he been drafted by the 49ers and "thrown to the wolves" week one he may have not had the chance to mature into the QB he is now.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

McNabb starting for the first 4 to 8 games is, IMO, great for Ponder. It will give him a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.As Patrick Reusse stated today about Rodgers.. had he been drafted by the 49ers and "thrown to the wolves" week one he may have not had the chance to mature into the QB he is now.

I don't see where that philosophy has borne any more fruit than throwing a guy to the wolves has.Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan spring immediately to mind.What's he going to learn from McNabb? How to pout when things don't go your way?

 

[Joe Summer]

McNabb starting for the first 4 to 8 games is, IMO, great for Ponder. It will give him a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.

As Patrick Reusse stated today about Rodgers.. had he been drafted by the 49ers and "thrown to the wolves" week one he may have not had the chance to mature into the QB he is now.

I don't see where that philosophy has borne any more fruit than throwing a guy to the wolves has.Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan spring immediately to mind.

You name all the quarterbacks who became successful after being thrown to the wolves.Then I'll name twice as many quarterbacks who became successful after having a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.

Ready? Go!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Then I'll name twice as many quarterbacks who became successful after having a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.

Ready? Go!

Just go ahead and name some.

 

[Insein]

McNabb starting for the first 4 to 8 games is, IMO, great for Ponder. It will give him a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.As Patrick Reusse stated today about Rodgers.. had he been drafted by the 49ers and "thrown to the wolves" week one he may have not had the chance to mature into the QB he is now.

I don't see where that philosophy has borne any more fruit than throwing a guy to the wolves has.Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan spring immediately to mind.What's he going to learn from McNabb? How to pout when things don't go your way?

Flacco and Ryan were the exceptions. They also benefitted from having a solid team with a good defense to back them up when they went through their struggles. In fact if you look at the cases where the "wolves" method worked, it almost always had a veteran team with a top 10 defense that only needed the rookie to not screw up. Too often, we've seen guys get put into impossible situations and are expected to achieve immediate results. Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, etc.

 

[snogger]

McNabb starting for the first 4 to 8 games is, IMO, great for Ponder. It will give him a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.As Patrick Reusse stated today about Rodgers.. had he been drafted by the 49ers and "thrown to the wolves" week one he may have not had the chance to mature into the QB he is now.

I don't see where that philosophy has borne any more fruit than throwing a guy to the wolves has.Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan spring immediately to mind.What's he going to learn from McNabb? How to pout when things don't go your way?

Difference being Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco were expected to be drafted in the first round.Ponder on the other hand was considered a reach for the Vikings and most experts believe he needs sometime to mature into a Starting NFL QB.I have zero problems having McNabb come in and start for the first month or two.Again, if he performs like he did a couple years ago the Vikings and the fans will be If he is crap we hand it over to Ponder, with the "He can't be any worse than McNabb" and hope the month or so on the sidelines helped him prepare for the speed of the NFL.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Over one third of the NFL's starters either started immediately or by November:

Bradford, Sam - Started immediately

Cutler, Jay - Starter in November

Flacco, Joe - Started immediately

Freeman, Josh - Starter in November

Manning, Eli - Starter in November

Manning, Peyton - Started immediately

McNabb, Donovan - Starter in November

Roethlisberger, Ben - Starter in 3rd game of season

Ryan, Matt - Started immediately

Sanchez, Mark - Started immediately

Stafford, Matt - Started immediately

Vick, Michael - Starter in November

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Flacco and Ryan were the exceptions. They also benefitted from having a solid team with a good defense to back them up when they went through their struggles. In fact if you look at the cases where the "wolves" method worked, it almost always had a veteran team with a top 10 defense that only needed the rookie to not screw up. Too often, we've seen guys get put into impossible situations and are expected to achieve immediate results. Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, etc.

Ryan was drafted to a terrible team with the 3rd pick in the draft.In fact, most of the guys listed above were drafted to terrible teams and thrown to the wolves.

 

[RUSF18]

McNabb starting for the first 4 to 8 games is, IMO, great for Ponder. It will give him a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.

As Patrick Reusse stated today about Rodgers.. had he been drafted by the 49ers and "thrown to the wolves" week one he may have not had the chance to mature into the QB he is now.

I don't see where that philosophy has borne any more fruit than throwing a guy to the wolves has.Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan spring immediately to mind.

You name all the quarterbacks who became successful after being thrown to the wolves.Then I'll name twice as many quarterbacks who became successful after having a chance to watch and learn from the sidelines.

Ready? Go!

How many quarterbacks - successes or failures - started right away?How many quarterbacks - successes or failures - first sat and learned from the sidelines?

I'm willing to bet you should be able to name more than twice as many.

Every one of these situations is different. There's not a capable owner/GM out there who will make the decision based on the results of other QB experiments. In this case, Ponder seems like he should take some time and learn. Whether he should be learning from McNabb is a whole different story.

 

[Funkley]

Until the oline turns over or protects better I'd rather they get McNabb killed than Ponder. It isnt as much being thrown to the wolves that ruins young qb's. Its the hits they take.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Until the oline turns over or protects better I'd rather they get McNabb killed than Ponder. It isnt as much being thrown to the wolves that ruins young qb's. Its the hits they take.

Now this I can agree with.But I'm not sure it's worth the drama for that benefit.

 

[Insein]

I wouldn't use the November scenario because that is exactly what you should do. Give them some time to understand how to be a pro and how to practice. then you put them in when they are ready.

Bradford, Sam - Started immediately 7-9, 18-15, 19th Defense: Pretty good showing.

Flacco, Joe - Started immediately 11-5, 14-12, 2nd Defense: Defense led this team.

Manning, Peyton - Started immediately 3-13, 26-28, 29th defense: He took his lumps and survived mainly because he's Peyton Manning. Most would not have.

Roethlisberger, Ben - Starter in 3rd game of season 14-0, 17-11, 1st Defense: Didn't screw up but Defense carried this team.

Ryan, Matt - Started immediately 11-5, 16-11, 24th Defense: Matty Ice is an exception apparently but also remember; Michael Turner 1699yds, 17tds. That helps.

Sanchez, Mark - Started immediately 9-7, 12-20, 1st Defense: All Defense and historic rushing. 600+ carries.

Stafford, Matt - Started immediately 2-8, missed 6 games, 32nd Defense: Bad team and it got him hurt. Got hurt again last year. May not ever become a stud because of the injuries.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And the Vikings defense is still pretty good and the offense does still have guys like Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, and Visanthe Shiancoe.



So what we're finding here is that there's no overwhelming evidence that shows sitting helps or starting hurts. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Insein]

And the Vikings defense is still pretty good and the offense does still have guys like Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, and Visanthe Shiancoe.So what we're finding here is that there's no overwhelming evidence that shows sitting helps or starting hurts. That's all I'm saying.

All I've been hearing is that the Vikings defense is horrible and the Oline is in shambles. Why throw your top draft pick out there to get be like Stafford? Let a Veteran do that. And maybe the Veteran can make a run with a few wins. Gets them in contention. All the while Ponder learns the process and the routine. He can learn how to practice, how to drill, how to prepare without the added pressure of delivering from day 1. If McNabb is awful, then by November Ponder can jump in with no expectations since they will most likely be out of it. Really no bad can come from signing McNabb.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And the Vikings defense is still pretty good and the offense does still have guys like Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, and Visanthe Shiancoe.



So what we're finding here is that there's no overwhelming evidence that shows sitting helps or starting hurts. That's all I'm saying.

All I've been hearing is that the Vikings defense is horrible and the Oline is in shambles. Why throw your top draft pick out there to get be like Stafford? Let a Veteran do that. And maybe the Veteran can make a run with a few wins. Gets them in contention. All the while Ponder learns the process and the routine. He can learn how to practice, how to drill, how to prepare without the added pressure of delivering from day 1. If McNabb is awful, then by November Ponder can jump in with no expectations since they will most likely be out of it. Really no bad can come from signing McNabb.

That's just hyperbole. It's a pretty good defense and a pretty good o-line (at least for pass protection). The latter is certainly not as bad as the ones that have gotten Carr and Stafford killed.Why throw my top pick out there? Because there's no experience like experience.

 

[snogger]

And the Vikings defense is still pretty good and the offense does still have guys like Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, and Visanthe Shiancoe.So what we're finding here is that there's no overwhelming evidence that shows sitting helps or starting hurts. That's all I'm saying.

My point in all of this is most of the NFL Experts think Ponder was at best a 2nd round pick, not a first round caliper player, and would need time to adjust to the NFL.I'm guessing the Vikings realize they reached taking Ponder where they did, and want to give him a chance to learn the system and the speed before finding out just what they have in him.Still like the trade myself

 

[sho nuff]

And the Vikings defense is still pretty good and the offense does still have guys like Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, and Visanthe Shiancoe.



So what we're finding here is that there's no overwhelming evidence that shows sitting helps or starting hurts. That's all I'm saying.

All I've been hearing is that the Vikings defense is horrible and the Oline is in shambles. Why throw your top draft pick out there to get be like Stafford? Let a Veteran do that. And maybe the Veteran can make a run with a few wins. Gets them in contention. All the while Ponder learns the process and the routine. He can learn how to practice, how to drill, how to prepare without the added pressure of delivering from day 1. If McNabb is awful, then by November Ponder can jump in with no expectations since they will most likely be out of it. Really no bad can come from signing McNabb.

That's just hyperbole. It's a pretty good defense and a pretty good o-line (at least for pass protection). The latter is certainly not as bad as the ones that have gotten Carr and Stafford killed.Why throw my top pick out there? Because there's no experience like experience.

Good line at least for pass protection?They have given up 35-40ish sacks most years. Typically been in the bottom 3rd or so of the league in sacks allowed.

 

[delusional]

LOL Poor McNabb...just read the Rice thing

 

[sho nuff]

Cost for the #5?

 

[snogger]

Cost for the #5?

Leave to Kluwe!!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Good line at least for pass protection?They have given up 35-40ish sacks most years. Typically been in the bottom 3rd or so of the league in sacks allowed.

Okay, maybe I exaggerated, but some of that falls on the guy playing behind them.

 

[sho nuff]

Good line at least for pass protection?They have given up 35-40ish sacks most years. Typically been in the bottom 3rd or so of the league in sacks allowed.

Okay, maybe I exaggerated, but some of that falls on the guy playing behind them.

Sure...however, this has been over multiple years now with different QBs.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I agree with you on one point, Andy: everything I remember reading was inconclusive about the success rate of rookie QBs vs. sitting on the sidelines. It's hard to quantify what might be best for each individual player. I disagree on the idea that the Vikings line is good though, it's pretty bad. Loadholt's play was less impressive last year. But maybe Jeff Davidson will whip them into something that resembles an O-line this year.

I think I can convince myself that trading for McNabb was a good idea, and that last year was an anomaly. I just really hope he doesn't pull some arrogant crap and learns the playbook.

 

[hutchins929]

Dude will be poisonous to the squad.

I don't want him anywhere near the team.

I mean, what's the purpose? They're clearly in rebuilding mode. Do they really expect that he'll mentor Ponder?

Two things.....Give the impression of still trying to win while they beg for a stadium and not get Ponder killed behind this line.

Signing McNabb gives me the impression of desperation.

UH YEAH! 1. No way they Vikes have a chance against the Packers.

2. The Lions are a couple of pieces away from being contenders.

3. The Bears are old and not far from rebuilding either but they are at least defending division champs.

4. The Vikings are Desperate because they know they are on the verge of being the cellar dweller for a few years.

 

[Manster]

mcnabb will play 6-8 games lose at least half, come up gimpy, and ride some pine

 

[Packerz]

Dude will be poisonous to the squad. I don't want him anywhere near the team. I mean, what's the purpose? They're clearly in rebuilding mode. Do they really expect that he'll mentor Ponder?

Two things.....Give the impression of still trying to win while they beg for a stadium and not get Ponder killed behind this line.

Signing McNabb gives me the impression of desperation.

Agreed, and I love it