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[Team Smokin']

The other giant component of this are our Rest Of Season Rankings. We do these each week where our Bob Henry and Justin Freeman do stat projections, not just rankings, for every player for the rest of the season. 

Footballguys Subscribers can click on the "Scoring System" and their specific league will come up with their scoring system and it'll sort every player by projected stats using your scoring system AND highlight the players who are available on the waiver wire in your league. It's invaluable. 

And it gets right to the heart of all those questions we see each week. 

Sure, Sigmund likes Damien Williams this week. Everyone does. But that's not the real question most of you folks are faced with. You're asking, "Latavius Murray or Darnell Mooney?" Our Rest of Season projections tailored to your scoring gives that answer. 

I take both ROS rankings vs. weekly vs. how many weeks vs. players undervalued vs. players who will continue to win you championships. Players like Cordelle Patterson, Josh Jacobs, James Robinson, or even an Allen Robinson and now AJ Brown. And then there's players who are rising and could offer upside during bye weeks: Connor, Gainwell, D Williams, Laviska Shenault, Jr. These types of players could potentially win you championships. Other players who continue to dive whose value is not what it was at the beginning  of the year: D Hopkins, Mixon, and Miles Sanders. Who knows? You Joe LOL 

 

[jobarules]

Philosophically...what is your typical way to handle this?

Have a bye week coming up on a TE...and you have a player in that position you are not going to drop.

Do you pick up your guy a week early to avoid fighting over a waiver pick or using waiver position at all?

Or play out the week and see what is left in FA for the one week?

Asking while also realizing, you don't really have a bench player you are wanting to drop at the moment.  

With that last statement, I am currently waiting I guess...that way if someone gets hurt, I can have that as my drop vs dropping a different player I may actually want.  Risking one of the two TEs I am targeting could have a big week now and be gone next week.

It depends on what free agents are available. If there is one guy you'd definitely take due to a matchup or talent, I try and grab him a week early. If there are multiple guys you can pick from and you would just be flipping a coin, I'd just wait and figure it out next week. 

 

[Scooby1974]

if Michael Carter is available he's going to be a stud RB going forward, nearly all of NYJ carries went through him last 2 weeks. only going to see more and more of this going forward.

Hunter Renfrow - steady targets and recs.out-targeted Waller week 4.

I snagged Carter hoping for the same thing. He has taken over the backfield and if BYU boy can increase his receiving share he should be in good shape.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Not a start/sit question, but I need to drop a RB to pick up a kicker.  If Chris Carson is active then Collins is the easy drop, but if Carson is out, who is a better keeper for ROS - Mattison or Collins?

Full PPR, current roster:

Christian McCaffrey - CAR
Clyde Edwards-Helaire - KC
Kareem Hunt - CLE
Damien Harris - NE
Alexander Mattison - MIN
Alex Collins - SEA
 

Jmo, but I wouldn’t drop any of them for a K, I’d drop a K

 

[themeistersinger]

Jmo, but I wouldn’t drop any of them for a K, I’d drop a K

Except I have zero kickers at the moment, so I need to fill that spot.  We have a short bench.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Except I have zero kickers at the moment, so I need to fill that spot.  We have a short bench.

O

 

[titusbramble]

O

Pretty standard tactics in leagues that still use kickers to dump them during the waiver run and keep more skill position choices open

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

Pretty standard tactics in leagues that still use kickers to dump them during the waiver run and keep more skill position choices open

I do this occasionally and 2 guys in our league always throw a hissy saying it's against the spirit of the rules not to have a kicker on your team.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Pretty standard tactics in leagues that still use kickers to dump them during the waiver run and keep more skill position choices open

I do this occasionally and 2 guys in our league always throw a hissy saying it's against the spirit of the rules not to have a kicker on your team.

I’ve been playing for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve ever seen it done 

 

[DropKick]

Philosophically...what is your typical way to handle this?

Have a bye week coming up on a TE...and you have a player in that position you are not going to drop.

Do you pick up your guy a week early to avoid fighting over a waiver pick or using waiver position at all?

Or play out the week and see what is left in FA for the one week?

Asking while also realizing, you don't really have a bench player you are wanting to drop at the moment.  

With that last statement, I am currently waiting I guess...that way if someone gets hurt, I can have that as my drop vs dropping a different player I may actually want.  Risking one of the two TEs I am targeting could have a big week now and be gone next week.

Not exactly your scenario, but I was placing my waiver claims and had several players listed with Knox as my third choice.  However, I recognized that the players ahead of him (RB, WR) only added marginal depth to those positions and I'll need a TE next week.  I normally only carry one TE.. but I like what Knox is doing, wanted a piece of the Bill's offense and like the idea of  depth at the position.  So, I pulled the trigger now expecting he probably wouldn't be available next week.

As a plus, hoping not to have to make any claims next week with a climb to an better waiver position.

 

[Chaka]

I’ve been playing for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve ever seen it done 

My first draft pick (mandatory start 2 QB league) was in the 12 spot turn of a 12 team, $200 entry league. Went John Elway 1.12 and Jeff George 2.1. 

George famously flamed out in week 3. 

It's the only league I've ever been in, most of the original owners are still with us.  You can understand why it's memorable.

I get both sides of this argument but, reality is, this situation has only ever happened a handful of times since 1996. Over the last 25 years, good Lord everyone around me got old (except me), I understand the logic that if rosters are clean when your team needs to commit then, don't sweat the small stuff. 

This is small stuff.

 

[Golden Gopher]

Pretty standard tactics in leagues that still use kickers to dump them during the waiver run and keep more skill position choices open

I do this occasionally and 2 guys in our league always throw a hissy saying it's against the spirit of the rules not to have a kicker on your team.

I’ve been playing for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve ever seen it done 

I think it depends on the league, the rules obviously, and what is agreed upon in terms of kosher or not.  I'm in a couple of keeper leagues where it's very common for someone to (temporarily) not have a kicker or a defense, or maybe even a TE if they're streaming that position.  In other words, pick up the extra RB or WR on Wednesday, with the intention of it buying you an extra 3-4 days to decide which one to drop for that PK/DEF/TE on Sunday morning.  

Many leagues have rules that make it harder to do so.  Acquisitions cost $5 in one of my leagues, which makes it harder to stream.  On the other hand, it makes it easier to compete for those of us who aren't afraid to spend $$ (half of the league are tight-wads).   Other leagues set rules where you must have at least one of every position on your roster at all times.  Others have rules where you can't drop a guy you've just acquired within the same week.  Others set a maximum per position (5 RB, 3 TE, etc.).  I'm sure I'm forgetting others, but there are lots of ways to discourage what could be considered a mild version of churning, hoarding certain positions, or whatever you want to call it.    

If the rules allow the empty spot (in other words, there is nothing that prevents you from not having a PK on your roster), I see nothing wrong with it.  If people have a problem with it, they should ask for a rule change to be considered.  Generally speaking, I'm of the "all is fair in love and war as long as it's within the written rules/parameters" thought process, but sometimes you have to use common sense as well.  

Speaking of which... A few years ago, in one of my redraft leagues, someone tried to draft all players with a Week 7 bye.  He was just planning to take a loss that week, with the theory being that his team would be stronger than the rest in all other weeks.  The overwhelming consensus was that his strategy went against the spirit of the league's rules (and gave an obvious advantage to his Week 7 opponent), so we ended up adding a rule where you could not submit partial lineups (including bye-week players).  You can still temporarily not have a PK in that league, but you can't submit a lineup without one.  

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Yeah , I wouldn’t care if someone did that, I was just saying I don’t think I’ve ever seen it 

 

[4th&inches]

Yeah , I wouldn’t care if someone did that, I was just saying I don’t think I’ve ever seen it 

I'm personally doing it this week. Dropped McManus (got me 1pt ) to add a player on waivers while I awaited the status of Fuller. Now that he's officially on IR, i'll either move him there or simply cut him to add another kicker this week. 

 

[kyoun1e]

I'm personally doing it this week. Dropped McManus (got me 1pt ) to add a player on waivers while I awaited the status of Fuller. Now that he's officially on IR, i'll either move him there or simply cut him to add another kicker this week. 

I don't see anything wrong with this at all. In real NFL football you can play all kinds of games like this.

Have done this for years and it allows you to scoop up that one extra player for a few days, see how things shake out with injuries, then dump somebody last second for a kicker.

Kickers in large part are random number generators.

I think I may go back to this practice. I made the mistake of drafting Butker and I feel tied to him. Meanwhile all KC does is score TDs.

 

[Wrigley]

I’ve been playing for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve ever seen it done 

My main league requires us to carry 2 kickers.

 

[4th&inches]

I don't see anything wrong with this at all. In real NFL football you can play all kinds of games like this.

Have done this for years and it allows you to scoop up that one extra player for a few days, see how things shake out with injuries, then dump somebody last second for a kicker.

Kickers in large part are random number generators.

I think I may go back to this practice. I made the mistake of drafting Butker and I feel tied to him. Meanwhile all KC does is score TDs.

Agreed on all points above.

1 other thing I've realized by doing this is that in most cases, the "OUT" designation isn't made until closer to gameday. So, by dropping my kicker, it affords me the time to add a player while I wait for those guys who are hurt, aren't going to play, but not officially on IR to have their designation changed to then move to an IR spot. May sound confusing, but it works for me 

 

[kyoun1e]

Agreed on all points above.

1 other thing I've realized by doing this is that in most cases, the "OUT" designation isn't made until closer to gameday. So, by dropping my kicker, it affords me the time to add a player while I wait for those guys who are hurt, aren't going to play, but not officially on IR to have their designation changed to then move to an IR spot. May sound confusing, but it works for me 

Also, it's funny how early in the week you can't imagine that you have enough room for a player, but by the end of the week things have a  way of working out one way or another as somebody gets dinged on a Thursday or something.

 

[themeistersinger]

I think it depends on the league, the rules obviously, and what is agreed upon in terms of kosher or not.  I'm in a couple of keeper leagues where it's very common for someone to (temporarily) not have a kicker or a defense, or maybe even a TE if they're streaming that position.  In other words, pick up the extra RB or WR on Wednesday, with the intention of it buying you an extra 3-4 days to decide which one to drop for that PK/DEF/TE on Sunday morning.  

Many leagues have rules that make it harder to do so.  Acquisitions cost $5 in one of my leagues, which makes it harder to stream.  On the other hand, it makes it easier to compete for those of us who aren't afraid to spend $$ (half of the league are tight-wads).   Other leagues set rules where you must have at least one of every position on your roster at all times.  Others have rules where you can't drop a guy you've just acquired within the same week.  Others set a maximum per position (5 RB, 3 TE, etc.).  I'm sure I'm forgetting others, but there are lots of ways to discourage what could be considered a mild version of churning, hoarding certain positions, or whatever you want to call it.    

If the rules allow the empty spot (in other words, there is nothing that prevents you from not having a PK on your roster), I see nothing wrong with it.  If people have a problem with it, they should ask for a rule change to be considered.  Generally speaking, I'm of the "all is fair in love and war as long as it's within the written rules/parameters" thought process, but sometimes you have to use common sense as well.  

Speaking of which... A few years ago, in one of my redraft leagues, someone tried to draft all players with a Week 7 bye.  He was just planning to take a loss that week, with the theory being that his team would be stronger than the rest in all other weeks.  The overwhelming consensus was that his strategy went against the spirit of the league's rules (and gave an obvious advantage to his Week 7 opponent), so we ended up adding a rule where you could not submit partial lineups (including bye-week players).  You can still temporarily not have a PK in that league, but you can't submit a lineup without one.  

I agree with all of this.  I've been doing it for a few years and nobody in my league has ever said anything about it.

I certainly don't do it every week, and if I ever get a guy I consider a stud kicker on my roster then I don't keep doing it.  But that's also one reason my kicker is always the last guy I draft, since I plan to be streaming kickers.  I had never thought of the drop and add later idea until I heard Matthew Berry suggest it on a podcast, and I'm like, yeah, that's a good idea.

One year I was streaming kickers and DST, and eventually ended up with the #1 kicker and #1 DST for the second half of the season.  The rest of my team was decent but not overwhelming, but those two did carry me to a title.  

 

[Wrigley]

My main league requires us to carry 2 kickers.

Wish I was kidding

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Wish I was kidding

I'm in a best ball league where you always have to carry 2, but if one is injured or on a bye you can still keep him in there without having to get a 3rd one.

 

[Wrigley]

I'm in a best ball league where you always have to carry 2, but if one is injured or on a bye you can still keep him in there without having to get a 3rd one.

This league also requires we carry 2 QB's/TE's/D's/K's as well as 5 RBs/WRs

It's our 28th year, and some owners just don't like change.

 

[Weebs210]

Patterson. Gibson has a hairline fracture and they are trying out rbs. Grab him for free now.

 

[4th&inches]

Patterson. Gibson has a hairline fracture and they are trying out rbs. Grab him for free now.

might be the next man up, but Is he any good (honest question, I know nothing about him)? 

 

[Weebs210]

might be the next man up, but Is he any good (honest question, I know nothing about him)? 

No idea. I know he had a 400 yard 8td game at a junior college lol. I have the spot to burn to see what happens. Gibson could end up being fine or Patterson could suck but I like to try to make moves early.

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

For those whose leagues require a kicker at all times, how do you enforce it if the site doesn't?  Is there a fine, forfeit?

 

[Team Smokin']

For those whose leagues require a kicker at all times, how do you enforce it if the site doesn't?  Is there a fine, forfeit?

Don't enforce it as we allow Yahoo to do whatever the computer tells us. If someone wants to drop a kick on speculation with other players, then so be it. They give up their kicker and then must decide who to drop and then they choose a kicker on the best of who's left. Not a big deal in our leagues. Move on I say.

 

[jobarules]

For those whose leagues require a kicker at all times, how do you enforce it if the site doesn't?  Is there a fine, forfeit?

I've gotten to the point as I've gotten busier in my life to just let teams do what the system software allows them to do. I don't enforce any rules outside of what yahoo allows.

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

I've gotten to the point as I've gotten busier in my life to just let teams do what the system software allows them to do. I don't enforce any rules outside of what yahoo allows.

That's EXACTLY what I've said.  "I"ll enable any setting on the website, beyond that, no way!"

 

[themeistersinger]

I've gotten to the point as I've gotten busier in my life to just let teams do what the system software allows them to do. I don't enforce any rules outside of what yahoo allows.

Yes, absolutely.  I want as little active involvement as possible for the commissioner.  Once you start making an exception for one thing, it becomes a big question of fairness.  And then people start making accusations of shenanigans.  ALL the rules in sports are arbitrary.  Just create a well defined, easily understood set of rules, and let the software do its thing.  Whatever happens, happens.

 

[themeistersinger]

Rank these 4 QB for ROS - I currently have Hurts and Lance, but Jones and Fields are both available on WW.  With the Russell Wilson injury I know one manager that will be hunting for QB help this week.

Jalen Hurts - Eagles - Bye Week 14

Trey Lance - 49ers - Bye Week 6

Daniel Jones - Giants - Bye Week 10

Justin Fields - Bears - Bye Week 10

Mostly I am debating among the top 3 on this list.  Short bench so there's no way I can drop anybody to snag a third QB.

Hurts - I'm worried about his O-line, and his inaccuracy issues.  

Lance - seems like the coach really really wants to use Jimmy G, and the guy is definitely raw.  But as Cecil Lammey has said, a different Shanahan coached Tim Tebow to QB3 one year, and Tebow can't throw at all.

Jones - two years of stinkiness, but seems to finally have his act together - maybe the 2021 version of the Josh Allen breakout?  (although top 6 more likely ceiling than top 3)

Fields - still tied to Nagy, but was the early season favorite to be the top rookie QB

 

[themeistersinger]

No idea. I know he had a 400 yard 8td game at a junior college lol. I have the spot to burn to see what happens. Gibson could end up being fine or Patterson could suck but I like to try to make moves early.

No, 409 yards and 8 TD in a Division 1 game.  Patterson played for University of Buffalo, the game was against Kent State.  The week before he had 301 yards and 4 TDs against Bowling Green.  Although the next 2 games (and last 2 of the season) he was more pedestrian.

 

[Footballdaz]

Wish I was kidding

 

[Eagle Eye]

Anyone picking up Michael Thomas yet?  It’s been too quiet on that front but it might be too late if we wait for news to drop. 

 

[Eagle Eye]

Rank these 4 QB for ROS - I currently have Hurts and Lance, but Jones and Fields are both available on WW.  With the Russell Wilson injury I know one manager that will be hunting for QB help this week.

Jalen Hurts - Eagles - Bye Week 14

Trey Lance - 49ers - Bye Week 6

Daniel Jones - Giants - Bye Week 10

Justin Fields - Bears - Bye Week 10

Mostly I am debating among the top 3 on this list.  Short bench so there's no way I can drop anybody to snag a third QB.

Hurts - I'm worried about his O-line, and his inaccuracy issues.  

Lance - seems like the coach really really wants to use Jimmy G, and the guy is definitely raw.  But as Cecil Lammey has said, a different Shanahan coached Tim Tebow to QB3 one year, and Tebow can't throw at all.

Jones - two years of stinkiness, but seems to finally have his act together - maybe the 2021 version of the Josh Allen breakout?  (although top 6 more likely ceiling than top 3)

Fields - still tied to Nagy, but was the early season favorite to be the top rookie QB

Jalen Hurts by a country mile. 

 

[Eagle Eye]

might be the next man up, but Is he any good (honest question, I know nothing about him)? 

If Gibson is out Mckissic gets more, including GL and targets,  so I don’t see anyone getting enough opportunity to be fantasy relevant. 

 

[DropKick]

Wish I was kidding

I hear you... imagine that if they have a mandate on the number of kickers to carry, there are similar roster constraints/conditions on other positions.  So. in following those rules, there is much less roster movement (trades, etc.) than there might normally be.

 

[DropKick]

Pretty standard tactics in leagues that still use kickers to dump them during the waiver run and keep more skill position choices open

With transaction fees, I don't see this as something I would do routinely.  However, I have neglected to draft a kicker for similar reasons.

 

[Insein]

This league also requires we carry 2 QB's/TE's/D's/K's as well as 5 RBs/WRs

It's our 28th year, and some owners just don't like change.

That's my dad's league. They still don't have PPR. Been going for 35 years now I think. 

 

[jobarules]

Anyone picking up Michael Thomas yet?  It’s been too quiet on that front but it might be too late if we wait for news to drop. 

He was drafted in every league I'm in even those without an IR spot. He's 79% owned in yahoo. If he's available, what are you waiting for?

 

[Weebs210]

If Gibson is out Mckissic gets more, including GL and targets,  so I don’t see anyone getting enough opportunity to be fantasy relevant. 

What? Mckissic role will slightly go up but Patterson will play Gibson's role. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Anyone picking up Michael Thomas yet?  It’s been too quiet on that front but it might be too late if we wait for news to drop. 

Hell, I drafted him

 

[sho nuff]

Hell, I drafted him

Same...drafted and IR'd.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Hell, I drafted him

He was dropped in my league…

 

[Eagle Eye]

What? Mckissic role will slightly go up but Patterson will play Gibson's role. 

Smaller role, lesser player, I just don’t see any value there. 

 

[Wrigley]

That's my dad's league. They still don't have PPR. Been going for 35 years now I think. 

Son? 

 

[themeistersinger]

Jalen Hurts by a country mile. 

Thanks - who would be #2 after Hurts from Trey Lance, Daniel Jones and Justin Fields?

 

[Peak]

You have one open spot to stash a guy no one is expecting.  Who has the better opportunity to be a breakout star ROS?  Lebron Bell in Baltimore or Josh Gordon in KC?  Both proved they could play years ago.  Both are in a position of opportunity in their respective positions.

I have to think the door is open for Gordon as no one has emerged opposite of Hill.  Bell will have to outplay Murray for touches in Baltimore.

You can only pick one, so who will you take?

 

[SoBeDad]

You have one open spot to stash a guy no one is expecting.  Who has the better opportunity to be a breakout star ROS?  Lebron Bell in Baltimore or Josh Gordon in KC?  Both proved they could play years ago.  Both are in a position of opportunity in their respective positions.

I have to think the door is open for Gordon as no one has emerged opposite of Hill.  Bell will have to outplay Murray for touches in Baltimore.

You can only pick one, so who will you take?

Before tomorrow? Gordon.

 

[papacapps]

You have one open spot to stash a guy no one is expecting.  Who has the better opportunity to be a breakout star ROS?  Lebron Bell in Baltimore or Josh Gordon in KC?  Both proved they could play years ago.  Both are in a position of opportunity in their respective positions.

I have to think the door is open for Gordon as no one has emerged opposite of Hill.  Bell will have to outplay Murray for touches in Baltimore.

You can only pick one, so who will you take?

Lebron Gordon.