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Anyone have any news if he's playing Thursday night or not? With Buckhalter gone 2-4 weeks, if Westbrook is gone, it looks like Lorenzo Booker will get the call as the #1 back. Anybody?

 
I'm not playing him, but that's not saying much as the league I have him in I have a bye in the first round of the playoffs.

That being said, I worry about the guy. Reid seems determined to run him into the ground. He'll have a long week off before he takes on the Giants and I'm hoping he can be effective then or even better that I survive week 14 and get to use him against Cleveland at home. That requires me winning week 14 and BW not being on the IR thanks to Reid overusing the guy....

 
I see no reason he wouldn't play. He finished the game Sunday. I actually think this is the week he gets back on track. I have watched the games and while he has not had the same burst he has not gotten the ball much. He inly touched the ball 16 times Sunday.

I say he plays this weekend and plays well.

 
I guess we will find out when we hear if he practiced or not today. I would be if he didnt practice today, he will be a game time decision for thursday.

 
If Westbrook sits and Booker starts, what's the O/U on how many passes McNabb will throw?

I'll start with 100.

 
True, but I need some sort of insurance for my RB3 spot and, well...Booker is all thats available in a 14 teamer.

 
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True, but I need some sort of insurance for my RB3 spot and, well...Booker is all thats available in a 14 teamer.
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Given he has not played much at all this year, and the fact Philly passes 60% I would cap Booker touches at 8. If he averages 4 yds a touch that equals 32 yds.
 
He was in until the very end vs. Balt- though Buch being out had to do with that. Still they could have stuck someone else back there if he was doing more damage. Reid in his Monday presser said he was holding West of out practice to rest his knee/ankle.. I doupt he practices at all, but will play

 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
ImaPuppy said:
True, but I need some sort of insurance for my RB3 spot and, well...Booker is all thats available in a 14 teamer.
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Given he has not played much at all this year, and the fact Philly passes 60% I would cap Booker touches at 8. If he averages 4 yds a touch that equals 32 yds.
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Booker is a very good receiver, though, so if he starts he could be a fine flex play in PPR leagues.That said, I do expect Westbrook to play. How effective he'll be is another question entirely.
 
Would I be safer going with McGahee? I mean those are my only options. Its just getting frustrating having a solid team OTHER than the RB3 position where I end up having to grab whoever the hell is so and so's backup every saturday morning. Anyway I agree, I think Booker will stink the place up but in a PPR league a starting RB is a starting RB, which is more than I can say for McGahee right now.

 
While Westy is definitely not 100%, I think there is a lot of over-reaction to a game against the really good Baltimore D that had the rookie QB playing in the 2nd half. Expect Westy to get his std 5 catches at least against Arizona. Ari D is not that good and it will be a high scoring affair.

 
Informative interview with BW today on the Eagles website.

RB Brian Westbrook

November 25, 2008 | Last Updated: 11/25/08 4:10 PM ET | Comments (0)

On what he expects from QB Donovan McNabb: "I expect for him to bounce completely back and go out and have a very good game. He is a talented quarterback; everybody knows that. I wouldn't expect anything less from him than going out and having a good game."

On having banged up running backs and a struggling quarterback: "We have been in better positions than we are now, but we are still going to go out there and do what we can. Like I said, Don is going to go out and have a great game. Hopefully, I will go out and have a good game, as well, and be able to provide this offense some energy and some playmaking ability."

On whether he expects to play: "Yes."

On how he feels: "It's getting better."

On how frustrating it is for him not to be able to do what he normally can: "It's very frustrating. It's part of playing with injuries and part of trying to adjust your body to do something different than what you're normally able to do. It's definitely frustrating. At the same time, you want to go out there and try to help your team as much as possible."

On whether he is doing more harm than good by playing: "Hopefully not, no."

On whether there is a point where he isn't helping the team anymore when he plays hurt: "I guess there is a point, yes. I think [head] coach [Andy Reid] started out last week by putting [RB Correll Buckhalter] in there a little bit. He had a couple of good runs. Unfortunately, Buck hurt his knee. So, I don't think we're at the point where he would take me completely out, especially with our injury situation. I still think I can help out this team, whether it's picking up the blitz or running and catching the ball. That's what I'm trying to do."

On whether he thinks he would be inactive if Buckhalter was able to play: "I don't think so. I think that Buck definitely would get more carries. He would definitely carry the ball more, play some more, but I don't think I would be inactive."

On what RB Lorenzo Booker has shown in practice and training camp: "What we have seen from him at training camp is making plays, making people miss. He's very quick. He hasn't really been in there enough to pick up the blitzes and different things like that. Those are the things that, during this week, he has to cram in that time and get his plays, watch his film and things like that, to try to understand the blitzes a lot better. He's a dynamic player; he's a player who can make a difference. He just needs more time out there on the field."

On what the most difficult part is to play on short rest: "You cram and try to get the whole gameplan in on a short amount of time, as well as trying to get your body back. You're asking yourself to go out there and play on three or four days rest. That's tough to do in the NFL."

On whether there was a message sent to the locker room when a couple players were benched in the last game: "I don't know if that was the purpose of the coaches doing that. I think it really puts everybody on notice that he wants the best from everybody. We want you guys to go out there and perform, do everything that we ask you to do, do the things you've done in practice. Everybody really took heed to that."

On what he is trying to do to make sure that other players aren't focused too much on the quarterback situation: "I think everybody understands the situation. Everybody has lived through it at this point, with the situation from last week. Now, guys are just ready to play football. We all know that Donovan is going to be starting this week, we all know the things he is capable of doing as a player. We expect him to go out and have a great game."

On whether opposing defenses are sitting on pass plays: "Actually, these last couple of weeks, even with Baltimore, they still started with eight men in the box. Arizona plays a lot with eight men in the box. Teams are still forcing us to make those throws and making sure that we have to complete those throws before they get that safety out of there. For our receivers and our quarterback, we definitely have to step up. The tight ends have to be able to catch the ball outside before that safety gets out of the box for him."

On why he thinks his receiving numbers are down this year: "The screen game isn't where it was. Right now, a lot of teams are playing screens. They are doing a lot of different things to try to stop the screen. I definitely am not out in passing formations as much as I was in the past. Those couple things right there really point to why I haven't been catching many balls."

On whether missing G Shawn Andrews has anything to do with the lack of an effective screen game: "No question, Shawn has helped the screen go, but I think the defenses are paying a lot more attention to our screen game right now than they did in previous years."

On whether it is discouraging to have the coaches go away from running the ball later in games: "I wouldn't say it is discouraging. It's a situation where the coach is trying to see something, if he sees something different on the sideline than in the game. I honestly believe that if we were a little bit more patient with the running game, then we'd be more effective. But, I don't call the plays, I just run the plays that are called."

On how important the first couple of series are: "Very important. I wouldn't say they are important because coach is going to pull Donovan out of the game, or anything like that. I think it's important for our offense and for our team to get that confidence back; for us to be able to throw the ball, catch the ball and run the ball against a pretty good defense. We have to be able to do those things. If we don't do that early, it's going to be hard to do it later on in the game."

On what he expects from the fans on Thursday: "Hopefully they will come out and support our team. That's what they've done in the past. I wouldn't expect anything less from Eagles fans."



On why the offense hasn't been able to get on a roll: "We are not playing very well. We aren't executing, we aren't catching the ball, we aren't running the ball, we aren't throwing the ball very well. The defense actually held us in the game for a long time in this past game. Our offense didn't do anything. When your defense is playing pretty well at the beginning of the game but you are leaving them on the field all throughout the whole first half and into the third and fourth quarter, at some point they get tired. Offensively, we're not helping them out at all. Special teams got us a touchdown, but offensively we aren't getting the job done. We aren't holding up our end of the bargain. For us, we have to do a better job."

On whether it is possible to fix everything: "Hopefully so."

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Westbrook is locked and loaded in my lineup. I don't have a choice. He's either going to get me to the playoffs or not. I can live with it either way.

 
What really baffles me is why they aren't passing him the ball more. He mentioned the screeen game in the interview but they aren't even trying to pass to him.

 
phowler13 said:
What really baffles me is why they aren't passing him the ball more. He mentioned the screeen game in the interview but they aren't even trying to pass to him.
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To me that is all about the Oline. Reid doesn't have any confidence in his oline unit right now. He's throwing on 3rd and 1, he's not running screens, basically I get the feeling that Reid is trying to deceive his opponents with his playcalling and it's not working.
 
Rounders said:
phowler13 said:
What really baffles me is why they aren't passing him the ball more. He mentioned the screeen game in the interview but they aren't even trying to pass to him.
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To me that is all about the Oline. Reid doesn't have any confidence in his oline unit right now. He's throwing on 3rd and 1, he's not running screens, basically I get the feeling that Reid is trying to deceive his opponents with his playcalling and it's not working.
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The O-Line is in need of a TE that can block.
 
With a short work week and a potential for a high scoring game, I'd expect the Eagles to get back to basics and utilize Westbrook how he's been used best in the past.

If he starts, I'm starting him.

 
It looks like Westbrook will play.

However, what good does that do if Reid is calling passes to the back of the endzone with a first time QB on 2nd and goal at the 6 inch line. Man, give Westy the ball! Reid is killing me right now.

I had McFadden in the lineup last week right before the game and switched back to Westbrook when I found out he was starting.

 
Hey look on the bright side...unlike arizona the eagles dont have to travel across the country on a short week and play in a cold hostile environment...that alone makes this game very managable for the eagles and the offence(and defense)...i see westy and the crew having a good game if for no other reason than arizona NOT having a good game

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Hey look on the bright side...unlike arizona the eagles dont have to travel across the country on a short week and play in a cold hostile environment...that alone makes this game very managable for the eagles and the offence(and defense)...i see westy and the crew having a good game if for no other reason than arizona NOT having a good game
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People underestimate this. I am so close to inserting Fargas this week. But this post, for some reason gives me pause.Great Sig, which book is that from. With the semester ending I am looking forward to reading a good old fashioned hack and slash book.
 
Sabertooth said:
BustedKnuckles said:
Hey look on the bright side...unlike arizona the eagles dont have to travel across the country on a short week and play in a cold hostile environment...that alone makes this game very managable for the eagles and the offence(and defense)...i see westy and the crew having a good game if for no other reason than arizona NOT having a good game
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People underestimate this. I am so close to inserting Fargas this week. But this post, for some reason gives me pause.Great Sig, which book is that from. With the semester ending I am looking forward to reading a good old fashioned hack and slash book.
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the story that sig came from is called Man-Eaters of Zamboula" (also published as "Shadows in Zamboula") and can be found in this book ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_of_Cimm...ree_(1935-1936)

i have to say that the story ''Red Nails'' is awesome fiction writing...intense

 
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Last week I went back and forth between Westy and Kevin Faulk right up until game time. (Unfrtunately stayed with Westy...woulda lost anyway but had 12 more points)

While I'm in the playoffs either way, I'm only 7 points up for a total point prize, and the recent slumps of Westy and Cutler are killing me slowly.

Westy is in for now only because I can't see Faulk doing much against Pittsburgh....but it scares me. NOTHING would surprise me come Thursday night.

 
gerome said:
The O-Line is in need of a TE that can block.
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I definitely agree with you there, and they are in need of a lot! Not just a blocking TE, but an actual fullback instead of a converted DT in Dan Klecko. I don't see Westbrook having a great game, as much as I would like to see him break out of this slump. It's obvious that his ankle/knee injuries are severely limiting what he can do while in space - he just doesn't have the same quickness, burst or ability to cut on a dime like he did earlier in the season.Another huge factor in the ineffectiveness of the screen game is the loss of Shawn Andrews. He is arguably the best guard in the NFL when healthy, and he was terrific when he pulled and had to block people in the open field... Max Jean-Gilles is no where near as good as Andrews in that respect.I really want to see what Lorenzo Booker can do, because let me tell you that at PhiladelphiaEagles.com, they were hyping this guy to no end in training camp. And now he is nowhere to be found. With Buckhalter injured, I'm interested to see how he performs when he gets the opportunity.
 
nflslant08 said:
gerome said:
The O-Line is in need of a TE that can block.
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I really want to see what Lorenzo Booker can do, because let me tell you that at PhiladelphiaEagles.com, they were hyping this guy to no end in training camp. And now he is nowhere to be found. With Buckhalter injured, I'm interested to see how he performs when he gets the opportunity.
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I'll save you the trouble - Booker can't play
 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
nflslant08 said:
gerome said:
The O-Line is in need of a TE that can block.
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I really want to see what Lorenzo Booker can do, because let me tell you that at PhiladelphiaEagles.com, they were hyping this guy to no end in training camp. And now he is nowhere to be found. With Buckhalter injured, I'm interested to see how he performs when he gets the opportunity.
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I'll save you the trouble - Booker can't play
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I came to that conclusion when I came across the YouTube video of a kicker decleating him on a kick return. It may have been Sepulveda (IDK), but still... :lmao:
 
As a # 5 overall Westbrook pick in this years draft...Westy was off to a fantastic start. Unfortunately, he is but a shadow of himself playing injured...the rest of the season. Therefore, if you start him, temper his #'s. This week perhaps 50 yards rushing and 25 yards receiving and perhaps 50% chance of scoring. I think the Eagles will see what Booker can do. I don't think I can start him with confidence right now and not sure I will be able to do that the rest of the year. The Eagles are done - stick a fork in them - period! :shrug: It just doesn't look good in Phili all the way around. DONE

 
Team Smokin said:
As a # 5 overall Westbrook pick in this years draft...Westy was off to a fantastic start. Unfortunately, he is but a shadow of himself playing injured...the rest of the season. Therefore, if you start him, temper his #'s. This week perhaps 50 yards rushing and 25 yards receiving and perhaps 50% chance of scoring. I think the Eagles will see what Booker can do. I don't think I can start him with confidence right now and not sure I will be able to do that the rest of the year. The Eagles are done - stick a fork in them - period! :thumbup: It just doesn't look good in Phili all the way around. DONE
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From an NFL standpoint you're probably right . And no team breaks the hearts of their fans like the Eagles. Nobody.But from an FF standpoint you have to consider it was a Raven Defense playing very well that put the screws to em. Don't be surprised if McNabb and Westbrook win a game or 2 for fantasy teams here at the end. Except for the Giants matchup. Man, I hate to start anybody against the G Men. I just dont anymore.
 
hook014 said:
Team Smokin said:
As a # 5 overall Westbrook pick in this years draft...Westy was off to a fantastic start. Unfortunately, he is but a shadow of himself playing injured...the rest of the season. Therefore, if you start him, temper his #'s. This week perhaps 50 yards rushing and 25 yards receiving and perhaps 50% chance of scoring. I think the Eagles will see what Booker can do. I don't think I can start him with confidence right now and not sure I will be able to do that the rest of the year. The Eagles are done - stick a fork in them - period! :tumbleweed: It just doesn't look good in Phili all the way around. DONE
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From an NFL standpoint you're probably right . And no team breaks the hearts of their fans like the Eagles. Nobody.But from an FF standpoint you have to consider it was a Raven Defense playing very well that put the screws to em. Don't be surprised if McNabb and Westbrook win a game or 2 for fantasy teams here at the end.

Except for the Giants matchup. Man, I hate to start anybody against the G Men. I just dont anymore.
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I give you the Cleveland Browns. Eagle frustration is not even close.
 
BustedKnuckles said:
Hey look on the bright side...unlike arizona the eagles dont have to travel across the country on a short week and play in a cold hostile environment...that alone makes this game very managable for the eagles and the offence(and defense)...i see westy and the crew having a good game if for no other reason than arizona NOT having a good game
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The environment will be cold and hostile the first time the Eagles go 3 and out, or McNabb throws a pick, or Mcnabb has a delay of game, or they miss a 3rd and 1. Fans are fed up. At home vs a west coast team one of two things will happen:1. Eagles play great rallying around McPick and Reid (who has put together a slightly less predictable game plan) and win the game in hand. (Maybe a 20% chance).

2. Eagles may look okay for a bit, but the offense stalls as usual and the team implodes. Warner and Co. rip them for 30ish points ending the McNabb era permanently and if Lurie has a brain the Reid era at the end of the season. (about an 80%).

I see no room for anything in the middle here. This Eagles team does not have the heart or the abilty to adjust the gameplan mid stream to survive any type of mid game breakdown.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Hey look on the bright side...unlike arizona the eagles dont have to travel across the country on a short week and play in a cold hostile environment...that alone makes this game very managable for the eagles and the offence(and defense)...i see westy and the crew having a good game if for no other reason than arizona NOT having a good game
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I agree the road trip will be hard on AZThe Phillly D could lay some good hits on Warner, if their ever was a game that Warner could get hurt this is the one(not wishing it on him) but the Philly blitz could be brutal.I don't see Booker being a factor, this year he's 16 attempts for 32 yards, 2 yard average, with a long of 5 yards.AZ D is not as good on road vs the rush as at home based on prevous road games:at SF Gore 14-96 rush TDat Wash Portis 21-68 rush TDat Carl Williams 17-108 rush TDat Seattle, not much rushing, but Duckett did get two short rushing TD'sat NYJ Fave threw 6 TD passes, don't know what to say about this gameat STL no rush td's but its the LambsLast game home AZ let Ward go 20-69 rush TDAZ has given up 3 rushing TD's in their last two gamesBased on AZ's road defense record against the rush, short week/long trip, IMO I can see Westy going 21-70 with a TD, & 4-20 rec
 
League deals Cardinals bad hand with Thanksgiving game

Nov. 26, 2008

By Clark Judge

CBSSports.com Senior Writer

I'll tell you someone who isn't all that grateful for Thanksgiving: The Arizona Cardinals. And, frankly, I can't say that I blame them.

The Cardinals' anger is directed at the league office, which scheduled them for this week's Thursday night game. Normally, that would be no big deal. In fact, normally, they'd be flattered to be a featured guest on Thanksgiving night.

But look what they're asked to do: Fly across country in a short week to play a non-division opponent. The Cardinals are in Philadelphia, where the crowd can be as hostile as the opponent, and they're not too happy about it.

I wouldn't be, either, if I were in their situation.

It's hard enough to win after a cross-country trip, and Arizona is the proof. The Cards earlier this year lost in Washington, then hung around the city for a week getting ready for a game with the Jets before getting blown out.

The last time they were in the Eastern Time Zone they lost to Carolina, and join the club. San Diego has been east three times and lost all three. The Raiders have been east three times and lost all three. The Seattle Seahawks are 0-4 in the east.

I think you get the idea. It's tough to win going west to east, and, granted, teams in the west generally stink this season, but Seattle was 1-4 there last year when it was a playoff team. The point is: It's tough to win after making a 2,340-mile trip, which is how far the Cardinals must go to reach Philadelphia.

But it's tougher to make that trip on three days' rest -- and that’s exactly what Arizona has been forced to do.

"Ridiculous," said someone close to the club.

I'd say that about sums it up. Competitive disadvantage might be another way of expressing it. All I know is that Thursday night games generally involve teams that are closer geographically than Phoenix and Philadelphia.

Last week, for instance, the Steelers were home against Cincinnati. The week before that it was the Jets at New England. Next week, it's Oakland at San Diego.

So Denver had to fly to Cleveland. The distance is roughly half that of Phoenix to Philadelphia.

And while we're on the subject, the Seahawks have a complaint this week, too. They have to go 2,150 miles on a short week. Of course, when you live in Seattle every road game is a hike, but asking them to travel a zillion miles for a Thursday afternoon game in Dallas is advantageous to one club -- and it's not the Seahawks.

My point is: If you're going to make someone travel for a Thursday game why make things tougher than they already are in a short week? I'm on board with the Cardinals when they say that scheduling a non-division opponent is a big deal because they know nothing about the Eagles, other than Donovan McNabb is under more friendly fire than the United States Treasury Dept.

If it were, say, St. Louis or Seattle, it would be different because they play those guys twice a year and have a book on them. But the Eagles? Arizona played them once in the last five years, and that was in 2005 when the Cards were coached by Denny Green.

Bottom line: The league didn't do Arizona a favor by putting it in Philadelphia on Thanksgiving. The Cardinals should be steamed, and if they win good for them. They beat the odds. But if they don't, they have a legitimate gripe.

 
I'm considering starting Ricky Williams over him in a PPR league. :headbang:

 
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Carter_Can_Fly said:
brady2moss said:
i sure hope westbrook plays
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I'm actually at the point that I would rather him not play so I don't waste a roster spot on him only to see another bad game. What a mess the Eagles are rigth now.
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:confused: he's just killing me, ward, p thomas and c taylor all on the bench last week.now jacobs back and ward vs washington this week, Do i ride westy again?, ill be battling with it till gametime. win or go home for me.
 
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Charley Casserly of CBS reports that RB Brian Westbrook (knee, ankle) will play Thursday night against the Cardinals.

Correll Buckhalter (knee) is out and Lorenzo Booker is the backup, so Westbrook should see a good amount of touches, but he looked sluggish last week in a similar situation and is far from 100 percent.

source Rotoworld

 
Sat Westbrook for P. Thomas last week and it worked out but Bush is likely back this week. I have Ward as well and it looks like Jacobs will play. Any updates here?

 
Gopher State said:
Charley Casserly of CBS reports that RB Brian Westbrook (knee, ankle) will play Thursday night against the Cardinals.Correll Buckhalter (knee) is out and Lorenzo Booker is the backup, so Westbrook should see a good amount of touches, but he looked sluggish last week in a similar situation and is far from 100 percent.source Rotoworld
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Thank you for the Update!!!!!!! :thumbup:
 
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