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What’s the possible conservative explanation for the recent dismantling of the USPS?!?!? (2 Viewers)

dkp993 said:
Pure hyperbole and fear mongering.
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Yeah....no hyperbole here....

You say you want to understand why we think what we do??
What are we supposed to think when we hear this?

Harris alone joined Sen. Bernie Sanders in raising her hand when all of the candidates were asked if they would outlaw private health insurance in favor of a government single-payer plan.

Biden promises to put Beto in charge of "gun control".
Beto promises  "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."'

THESE is the kinds of things we hear that make us want to vote for President Trump.
Then, we hear people (like you) calling it "hyperbole" and "fear mongering".

I have no fear of them winning...at all.
I'm sleeping easy knowing that they will lose...bigly.
 

 
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Opie said:
Yeah....no hyperbole here....

You say you want to understand why we think what we do??
What are we supposed to think when we hear this?

Harris alone joined Sen. Bernie Sanders in raising her hand when all of the candidates were asked if they would outlaw private health insurance in favor of a government single-payer plan.

Biden promises to put Beto in charge of "gun control".
Beto promises  "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."'

I have no fear of them winning...at all.
I'm sleeping easy knowing that they will lose...bigly.
 
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You have nothing to worry about either way. 20 kindergarteners got executed while learning their ABC’s and you still have your assault rifles. You’re good. 

 
Man In The Box said:
You have nothing to worry about either way. 20 kindergarteners got executed while learning their ABC’s and you still have your assault rifles. You’re good. 
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Responsible gun owners will need those "assault weapons" when we decide that we don't like our socialist government and can't vote them out.
Don't worry...we'll take care of it.
You can thank us later.

 
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Opie said:
Good, Rachel.
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Nah. See, I can say that I think Portland is a disaster. And those who looted and set fires during the protests should be jailed. And that CNN should be ashamed that they pulled the death ticker from their screen when the riots were going on.  And that Obamacare was pretty terrible for middle class people who didn’t have medical coverage through their employer. And I’m pro law enforcement, but believe they could use some reform. I’m pretty free. You’re the parrot. 

 
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Opie said:
Responsible gun owners will need those "assault weapons" when we decide that we don't like our socialist government and can't vote them out.
Don't worry...we'll take care of it.
You can thank us later.
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Where are you right now???  The socialism corporate America is thriving in right now must be driving you guys nuts, or no?

 
Man In The Box said:
Nah. See, I can say that I think Portland is a disaster. And those who looted and set fires during the protests should be jailed. And that CNN should be ashamed that they pulled the death ticker from their screen when the riots were going on.  And that Obamacare was pretty terrible for middle class people who didn’t have medical coverage through their employer. I’m pretty free. You’re the parrot. 
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Sounds like you're parroting.

 
Opie said:
Responsible gun owners will need those "assault weapons" when we decide that we don't like our socialist government and can't vote them out.
Don't worry...we'll take care of it.
You can thank us later.
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So to recap: phony fear-mongering socialism is BAD and worth starting an armed conflict over.

Actual FASCISM is cool, cuz lib tears.

I'm old enough to remember when a conservative would have freaked the F out if (insert pretty much everything Trump does here).

 
Opie said:
Responsible gun owners will need those "assault weapons" when we decide that we don't like our socialist government and can't vote them out.
Don't worry...we'll take care of it.
You can thank us later.
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So...if the protesters now decided they didn't like their current government its cool for them to take up arms against it?  Is that what you are going for?

 
Mookie said:
Your worries are irrational.  Have you tried accessing your Social Security information?  Filed taxes electronically?  Sent and/or received money?  Made online purchases sharing your payment information? 

If that stuff can be done online or by phone, why can't we develop a secure way to vote to ease those "worries"?  That, of course is the rhetorical question that conservatives want to avoid.  More voters and more votes = less conservatives in office.  It's all about voter suppression and denying us our most important right to maintain power and control.  It's fundamentally cheating and blatantly unconstitutional, but we can't empower all of these uppity liberals by having a fair process.  Think of what would happen to the stock market and our suburban lifestyle!    
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My wife had her SS# stolen and taxes filed in her name 3-4 years. Look at how many big banks, companies etc. have been hacked. I don't think it's irrational at all. 

 
Opie said:
Yeah....no hyperbole here....

You say you want to understand why we think what we do??
What are we supposed to think when we hear this?

Harris alone joined Sen. Bernie Sanders in raising her hand when all of the candidates were asked if they would outlaw private health insurance in favor of a government single-payer plan.

Biden promises to put Beto in charge of "gun control".
Beto promises  "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."'

THESE is the kinds of things we hear that make us want to vote for President Trump.
Then, we hear people (like you) calling it "hyperbole" and "fear mongering".

I have no fear of them winning...at all.
I'm sleeping easy knowing that they will lose...bigly.
 
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Glad to see you’re not denying the fear mongering.  That’s progress at least.  

And for the record wanting to take someone’s gun designed only as a weapon for war is not socialism.  

* And before you start calling me a liberal and anti-gun I’m neither. I can just recognize that we don’t need to have those type of weapons in our hands and that it’s not socialism to want to make that change.  

 
Opie said:
Responsible gun owners will need those "assault weapons" when we decide that we don't like our socialist government and can't vote them out.
Don't worry...we'll take care of it.
You can thank us later.
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Weird...they were nowhere to be found when the federal government overreach invaded states just as recently as a few weeks ago.  Lots of bark in that group, that's for sure.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Why wouldn't it?
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Not sure....I'm concerned that it's never mentioned by those so concerned by mail voting.  You'll notice I never got a response from him.  At least here, I can see my vote recorded and know it was recorded correctly.  In my previous states of NC and SC that wasn't the case.  I'd go in, punch my stuff into the touch pad and left.  There was no way for me to see that my vote was even recorded other than what was on the touch pad screen.  People seem fine with that, but somehow mail voting is a completely different animal.  Makes no logical sense to me, so I asked the question.

 
The Commish said:
Not sure....I'm concerned that it's never mentioned by those so concerned by mail voting.  You'll notice I never got a response from him.  At least here, I can see my vote recorded and know it was recorded correctly.  In my previous states of NC and SC that wasn't the case.  I'd go in, punch my stuff into the touch pad and left.  There was no way for me to see that my vote was even recorded other than what was on the touch pad screen.  People seem fine with that, but somehow mail voting is a completely different animal.  Makes no logical sense to me, so I asked the question.
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I remember back in the early 2000s, there was a conspiracy theory floating around about how Diebold voting machines were rigged to steal the election for Republicans.  It's always seemed to me that providing a receipt for each vote, or some similar paper trail, is a small price to pay to reassure people that crazy conspiracy theories really are just crazy conspiracy theories.  It's important that the electoral process is fair, but it's also vitally important that it is perceived as fair by everyone as well.  I never thought that the Diebold company was stealing votes, but I'm happy to spend a modest amount of money to persuade others that Diebold isn't stealing their votes too.   

(A similar argument pertains to ID requirements.  In person voter fraud is probably pretty rare, but ID requirements are a very low-cost way of preempting concerns about that issue).

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
I remember back in the early 2000s, there was a conspiracy theory floating around about how Diebold voting machines were rigged to steal the election for Republicans.  It's always seemed to me that providing a receipt for each vote, or some similar paper trail, is a small price to pay to reassure people that crazy conspiracy theories really are just crazy conspiracy theories.  It's important that the electoral process is fair, but it's also vitally important that it is perceived as fair by everyone as well.  I never thought that the Diebold company was stealing votes, but I'm happy to spend a modest amount of money to persuade others that Diebold isn't stealing their votes too.   

(A similar argument pertains to ID requirements.  In person voter fraud is probably pretty rare, but ID requirements are a very low-cost way of preempting concerns about that issue).
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I don't disagree...in my view, it would be relatively easy to create a national polling system that is contained and secure using current technology we use everyday.  Between biometrics and the NFC chips there are plenty of ways to securely provide online voting to the entire country.  I know that goes against states rights and all that stuff, but that's an issue with politics, not the technical ability to get it done.  We just need the will to do it.

Oh, and good luck with the bold.  I mean, I can't know a person's heart and what they really believe, but if we go by what some people SAY, just being from a different party or of a different opinion is enough to allow them to distrust.  I don't think we're fixing that.  It's pretty tough to convince people they are being taken advantage of.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I remember back in the early 2000s, there was a conspiracy theory floating around about how Diebold voting machines were rigged to steal the election for Republicans.  It's always seemed to me that providing a receipt for each vote, or some similar paper trail, is a small price to pay to reassure people that crazy conspiracy theories really are just crazy conspiracy theories.  It's important that the electoral process is fair, but it's also vitally important that it is perceived as fair by everyone as well.  I never thought that the Diebold company was stealing votes, but I'm happy to spend a modest amount of money to persuade others that Diebold isn't stealing their votes too.   

(A similar argument pertains to ID requirements.  In person voter fraud is probably pretty rare, but ID requirements are a very low-cost way of preempting concerns about that issue).
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It's not like you can't program a voting machine to print out your actual votes but actually count the votes anyway they want to.  AFIK the voting machine makers don't let anybody see the source code.  It's doubtful anything like this happens even on a very small scale, but it's not impossible.

 
so Democrats want to flood USPS by changing the presidential voting system, knowing that votes will be lost AND it will overwhelm the USPS system, they want to change local/county/state run elections into more Federally run elections and then want tens of billions to make that happen literally a last second change on many levels and Trump is to blame ?

really ?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-vs-dems-on-mail-in-voting-jason-chaffetz

 
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KiddLattimer said:
Are the number of ballots expected larger than the number of packages and cards delivered around Christmas?

Edit to add: Answering my own question... according to this USPS article from 2019 they deliver 168,000,000 packages between Dec.16-21 alone. 138 million people voted in 2016 and not everyone will vote by mail, so any declaration that they can't handle it is hogwash.
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Don't you think it might be a good idea to stress test it first.   

It is the election  after all.   Maybe 2022 or 2024 might be a better idea than try it during this mess.

 
quick-hands said:
Don't you think it might be a good idea to stress test it first.   

It is the election  after all.   Maybe 2022 or 2024 might be a better idea than try it during this mess.
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na...especially if they include secured drop off locations.  Drop it there if there is concern over the mailbox.

 
More swampiness...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/18/gop-and-trump-ties-run-de
 

Most members of the U.S. Postal Service’s board of governors, who were responsible for selecting Louis DeJoy as postmaster general, have numerous ties to the Republican Party as well as to President Donald Trump’s associates and administration.

According to a CNBC review of public documents and disclosures, five of the six members of the board, including Chairman Robert Duncan, are linked to GOP and Trump circles through various campaign, legal and financial connections.

The White House and the USPS did not return a request for comment after CNBC laid out the details reported in this story. 
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2Squirrels1Nut said:
Yes and no. The Internet and technology is so integrated with our lives now a lot of people don't even think about what could go wrong unless they have been a victim themselves. 
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It's quite shocking that this is reality.  Perhaps it's my years in authentication security, but it's completely illogical to see someone ranting and raving over mail in ballots having NEVER actually thought about the steps (not sure they even know the steps) of the "in person" voting.  If we take 5 minutes and think, we realize the opportunity to screw with an election is far more significant in our generally accepted method than with mail in voting.  It's unbelievable that people don't see it or if they do see it allow politics to screw them up like that.

 
shader said:
If Trump and the R’s are trying to affect the election by sabotaging the USPS, sure that’s a problem. 
 

But the problem with the media is that we don’t know if that’s true or not.  Many believe its 100% true at the outset, and then look for facts to prove their point.   That’s what happens with conspiracy theories.  
 

When you see a post on Twitter with mailboxes being removed and people freaking out about it, that’s promoting a nefarious conspiracy theory, unless it can be proven that this is being done to affect the ability for people to cast votes, and not as part of normal and  routine USPS activity.

Both sides will politicize this as much as they possibly can, so good luck getting straight facts from anyone.
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Here you go

 
Veterans in Brooklyn, Manhattan the Bronx have been staging protests all week because our prescriptions are arriving after we run out of meds.

I had to make a special trip from Midtown to Fort Hamilton (1:15 hours) because my prescription was one day from running out and never did arrive. It took me a half dozen phone calls and going up the chain of command two levels at the VA Hospital to get them to make an exception and allow me to pick up in person. I arrived 10 minutes before the pharmacy closed bc I spent virtually the whole day arguing my case on the phone.

Last Monday I mailed a first class letter from the post office next to Grand Central. It arrived in Brooklyn yesterday. 8 days later. Usually borough to borough is one day, two days if it's a busy season like Mother's Day week.

 
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The Narrator said:
"now that I ruined everything I won't change a thing until after the election" isn't exactly winning me over here 
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I am sure 99% of the people are not aware that the removal of postal machinery was already in progress before the previous Posmaster General retired, Megan Breenan.  I’m not trying to defend the new Postmaster General at all, just wished the media would give us the whole story.  Every article that mentions the removal of the letter sorting machines,  makes no mention that the postal service is adding additional sorting modules to some of the remaining machines, utilizing parts from the machines being removed from service.  I know the new Postmaster General really was cracking down on overtime usage, that didn’t start until he took over and that has led to mail being delayed that normally wouldn’t have been. 

 
Congress needs to get the USPS some $$$$cash$$$$ and have the PG re-instate overtime for 90(+) days to ensure ALL mail gets delivered timely and the workforce is there to handle any election strain. It's up to them, again.

 
The Commish said:
How long before we have a new Postmaster General?  :mellow:  
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Honestly was my first thought in all this.  Given the way these kinds of things have been handled in the past, it wouldn’t even be surprising anymore—we’re so numb to it—to see the Postmaster General fired and replaced in the next couple of weeks with someone who will do the White House’s bidding.  Desperate times/measures.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Congress needs to get the USPS some $$$$cash$$$$ and have the PG re-instate overtime for 90(+) days to ensure ALL mail gets delivered timely and the workforce is there to handle any election strain. It's up to them, again.
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I have people working 7am-8pm . Easily 10 out of 40 will go over 100k this year . OT is and has been unlimited. The strain is there is no help . We’re down to taking dunkin donut employees and recycling them out in a month . Pretty much most are completely burnt out by the ot workload. 

 
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HellToupee said:
I have people working 7am-8pm . Easily 10 out of 40 will go over 100k this year . OT is and has been unlimited. The strain is there is no help . We’re down to taking dunkin donut employees and recycling them out in a month . Pretty much most are completely burnt out by the ot workload. 
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It’s nuts to me that you guys cant find people to sign up to work for unlimited overtime and the chance to earn 100k. It sounds like very hard work right now but still. 

 
The General said:
It’s nuts to me that you guys cant find people to sign up to work for unlimited overtime and the chance to earn 100k. It sounds like very hard work right now but still. 
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Better than working in an Amazon warehouse imo

 
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