What can a white dude do to help BLM? (1 Viewer)

[Christo]

Would to ask Garza whether less than 20 questionable shootings out of one million police officers indicate a corroded and corrupt system.

Oh, and good luck with those police-free communities.

The black community in Chicago is screaming about the police not doing enough.

 

[flapgreen]

2-5 years of training with an officer who has a gun before giving one to anyone who just makes it through the academy in 18 weeks or whatever ir is?

It seems blatantly obvious a portion of our police officers are not trained enough to handle a gun. 

Sounds simple enough eh?  Who's going to pay for it?  It does seem blatantly obvious.   I don't know anyone who would oppose it.  That's for sure.    The problem is funding is being cut,  not added.   I have 2 friends on the police force in two different parts of the country and their funding was cut twice in the last decade.  Who makes those decisions?  It's really easy to just say something should be done.   How it's going to be done is another question.  

 

[flapgreen]

Some prominent BLM leaders don't consider that helping.  Quite the opposite...

Black Lives Matter Founder on Charlotte: We Need 'Police-Free Communities'

Garza also proposes an unconventional solution to brutality by law enforcement in Charlotte and around the country: “police-free communities.”

“Ultimately, policing in and of itself is problematic,” Garza says. “I know that in this country we give a lot of veneration to police. In the ethos of this country, police can do no wrong. And if and when police do wrong, it’s a case of individual bad apples, as opposed to a corroded and corrupt system... Quite frankly, many of our [Black Lives Matter] members are continuing to investigate what it would mean to have police-free communities.

Good luck with that strategy.  In related news:  U.S. Murders Increased 10.8% in 2015

 

[pollardsvision]

This is the exact reason i give cops the benefit of the doubt. Most people would never consider being a cop. If the only choice was to be a cop in a predominantly black community that number is even smaller. 

Yet here we sit with liberals questioning methods when cops try to apprehend people with criminal records carrying guns. 

Lets get the bad cops out of uniform and support the heck out of the rest please. 

I say that as an answer to HULK's question because I literally have no idea what else would help. Becoming a great cop is the only thing I'm pretty sure would give him a chance to help the problem. Anything else? I have no idea whether it'd be doing any good.

 

[comfortably numb]

Sounds simple enough eh?  Who's going to pay for it?  It does seem blatantly obvious.   I don't know anyone who would oppose it.  That's for sure.    The problem is funding is being cut,  not added.   I have 2 friends on the police force in two different parts of the country and their funding was cut twice in the last decade.  Who makes those decisions?  It's really easy to just say something should be done.   How it's going to be done is another question.  

The idea would save money, no?

When you hire a cop he doesn't get a gun til X amount of years working with an officer that does have one.

They would become cops like they normally would now just don't get a gun at their graduation. 

And to add in my initial post, just to clarify I didn't mean that cops didn't know how to handle a gun per se but rather that they are not properly trained or experienced in stressful situations and oftentimes it seems they draw their guns as a 1st resort escalating a situation when it may not have called for it.

Working without a gun may allow for them to better learn on deescalating situations. 

 

[whiskey7]

The idea would save money, no?

When you hire a cop he doesn't get a gun til X amount of years working with an officer that does have one.

They would become cops like they normally would now just don't get a gun at their graduation. 

And to add in my initial post, just to clarify I didn't mean that cops didn't know how to handle a gun per se but rather that they are not properly trained or experienced in stressful situations and oftentimes it seems they draw their guns as a 1st resort escalating a situation when it may not have called for it.

Working without a gun may allow for them to better learn on deescalating situations. 

Its hard enough to get good people to go into being cops and now you're going to tell them they have to go into dangerous situations for the first n years with no gun? Who is going to sign-up for that?

I definitely think increased training before someone becomes a cop is a good idea as well as more ongoing training throughout their career. But not sure you can send them out there every day with no gun (even if they are accompanying an armed officer).

 

[parasaurolophus]

The idea would save money, no?

When you hire a cop he doesn't get a gun til X amount of years working with an officer that does have one.

They would become cops like they normally would now just don't get a gun at their graduation. 

And to add in my initial post, just to clarify I didn't mean that cops didn't know how to handle a gun per se but rather that they are not properly trained or experienced in stressful situations and oftentimes it seems they draw their guns as a 1st resort escalating a situation when it may not have called for it.

Working without a gun may allow for them to better learn on deescalating situations. 

If they are working without a gun, the only situations they should be involved in should require zero deescalation. 

 

[comfortably numb]

Its hard enough to get good people to go into being cops and now you're going to tell them they have to go into dangerous situations for the first n years with no gun? Who is going to sign-up for that?

I definitely think increased training before someone becomes a cop is a good idea as well as more ongoing training throughout their career. But not sure you can send them out there every day with no gun (even if they are accompanying an armed officer).

Perhaps you're right but I just think that would at least show were trying to "do" something?

Everything else that is just words comes off as grandstanding and political jargon.

 

[jonessed]

Perhaps you're right but I just think that would at least show were trying to "do" something?

Everything else that is just words comes off as grandstanding and political jargon.

We are trying to avoid getting people killed, not just get different people killed.

 

[(HULK)]

Still looking for ideas.

Kinda floored that a presidential candidate listed off "Law and order; Stop and Frisk" as solutions for easing racial tensions in the debate.  Made me sad actually.

 

[urbanhack]

this happened yesterday in Portland.  http://koin.com/2016/09/27/black-lives-matter-hales-to-hold-community-dialogue/

Very diverse crowd of supporters for the BLM cause here.

 

[VA703]

 

[David Dodds]

Million Mask March - November 5th.  

700 cities in the US.  They have mixed agendas, but holding government accountable is atop their list.  

 

[(HULK)]

Million Mask March - November 5th.  

700 cities in the US.  They have mixed agendas, but holding government accountable is atop their list.  

Thanks, I'll look into this

 

[eoMMan]

Donate money to them?

 

[whiskey7]

Donate money to them?

I wouldn't give a penny to BLM. I would give $ to an organization directly helping children who need it. I would volunteer to mentor/chaperone/etc kids who are missing that element in their lives.

Help the kids and hopefully we never see them on CNN.

 

[cstu]

Join and explain to them why their techniques are ineffective and counter-productive?  Introduce them to a fellow by the name of MLK they may not have heard of?

 

[VA703]

donate tree fiddy per ancestor

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Can't be stated enough. Apathy is the root cause of much of these problems, in my opinion. It's a vicious cycle. Folks don't believe they are represented, don't think their vote matters and thus quit trying or never seek to be a part of the solution. Many of these national issues seem to happen in a vacuum (from afar) and the short sided responses fuel a fire that is nearly impossible to quell. So much work to be done, but becoming an active member in the conversation from a community level is a good place to start. BLM is, in my opinion, very much a negative result of unbalanced representation combined with negligence. 

nice screen name

 

[wikkidpissah]

Join and explain to them why their techniques are ineffective and counter-productive?  Introduce them to a fellow by the name of MLK they may not have heard of?

X would be a better initial. Having to be twice the person to be thought of half as well is both a terrible and wonderful challenge, as long as its on this side of the world. Malcolm understood that and it seems no leader since the Panthers dissolved has. Requiring great commitment is a big part of the revolutionary struggle and self-determination for American slave ancestors has never not been a revolution.

 

[cstu]

X would be a better initial. Having to be twice the person to be thought of half as well is both a terrible and wonderful challenge, as long as its on this side of the world. Malcolm understood that and it seems no leader since the Panthers dissolved has. Requiring great commitment is a big part of the revolutionary struggle and self-determination for American slave ancestors has never not been a revolution.

X served a role at a time when black people were treated as second class citizens.  They now have legitimate issues but there is no need for extremism anymore to fix them.

 

[wikkidpissah]

X served a role at a time when black people were treated as second class citizens.  They now have legitimate issues but there is no need for extremism anymore to fix them.

cool - i can eliminate you as someone who'll make any sense on the issue. thx -

 

[tjnc09]

Do you live near Tampa?  You can help vandalize property with such messages as "kill white people" and "BLM".  There's a good start.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3812292/Kill-white-people-spray-painted-highway-wall-Black-Lives-Matter-graffiti-scrawled-Trump-election-signs-racial-tensions-mount.html

 

[Kafka]

X would be a better initial. Having to be twice the person to be thought of half as well is both a terrible and wonderful challenge, as long as its on this side of the world. Malcolm understood that and it seems no leader since the Panthers dissolved has. Requiring great commitment is a big part of the revolutionary struggle and self-determination for American slave ancestors has never not been a revolution.

I appreciate this post, solely because Malcolm had a clear and decisive goal...there was no subterfuge or insecureness on his part, no assuaging, no bending to his contemporaries, nor the political undercurrent.  He meant what he said, & was there to represent what he said.  I don't agree with all that he said, but I can respect it.  

 

[cstu]

cool - i can eliminate you as someone who'll make any sense on the issue. thx -

Do you think the gay marriage cause would have been helped by violence and property destruction?

 

[urbanhack]

Join and explain to them why their techniques are ineffective and counter-productive?  Introduce them to a fellow by the name of MLK they may not have heard of?

That they could be passive like MLK and pray and just wait for white people to hopefully change?   

 

[Apes with Guns]

They are very well-trained on how to handle a gun.  Constant trips to the shooting range and certifications ensure they know how to handle a gun.

What's really needed is a much greater focus on when to use a gun.  But that's a hell of a lot more difficult and harder to measure.  

Maybe we could ask some ex-soldiers how they kept from mowing down people in Iraq, even when they pointed guns at them. 

 

[HeavyMatt04]

Do you think the gay marriage cause would have been helped by violence and property destruction?

Wow, look at all those words you typed for no reason.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Do you think the gay marriage cause would have been helped by violence and property destruction?

Apples & oranges my friend. There are two big differences - i'll only address one here so as not to hijack.

There's a gay person in virtually every family. There was that basis for love and forgiveness on both sides once attitudes changed, and that transformation was the result more of evolution than revolution.

Race in America has always been a war and is still. A descendant of slaves and any who resemble him wakes up each day under battle conditions. Few people want to fight, but a black person may have to each and every day. They have to be battle-ready and that means being a mature warrior as well as a willing one. Malcolm X understood that the best way to achieve that and win was to be a better combatant than the enemy. For reasons within and beyond his control, he fell short of achieving that. So black people by and large still have to fight each day because they simply have not won yet - neither against the foe or within themselves. Most want to be just all up in the anger or far, far away from it all. Therefore, racism remains both an acute and chronic condition in this country.

 

[cstu]

Apples & oranges my friend. There are two big differences - i'll only address one here so as not to hijack.

There's a gay person in virtually every family. There was that basis for love and forgiveness on both sides once attitudes changed, and that transformation was the result more of evolution than revolution.

Race in America has always been a war and is still. A descendant of slaves and any who resemble him wakes up each day under battle conditions. Few people want to fight, but a black person may have to each and every day. They have to be battle-ready and that means being a mature warrior as well as a willing one. Malcolm X understood that the best way to achieve that and win was to be a better combatant than the enemy. For reasons within and beyond his control, he fell short of achieving that. So black people by and large still have to fight each day because they simply have not won yet - neither against the foe or within themselves. Most want to be just all up in the anger or far, far away from it all. Therefore, racism remains both an acute and chronic condition in this country.

You know how blacks end racism?  Do what Obama, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and many other black people have done - get an education and work hard.  If you think racism (a form of violence) can ever be solved by violence then you are wrong.  Racism will never go away but it will be much less as they become more successful.  Look at how how much racism there was towards Jews compared to now - it's difficult to be racist against people who are successful.

 

[Nugget]

You know how blacks end racism?  Do what Obama, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and many other black people have done - get an education and work hard.  If you think racism (a form of violence) can ever be solved by violence then you are wrong.  Racism will never go away but it will be much less as they become more successful.  Look at how how much racism there was towards Jews compared to now - it's difficult to be racist against people who are successful.

So it is basically their own fault? 

 

[wikkidpissah]

You know how blacks end racism?  Do what Obama, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and many other black people have done - get an education and work hard.  If you think racism (a form of violence) can ever be solved by violence then you are wrong.  Racism will never go away but it will be much less as they become more successful.  Look at how how much racism there was towards Jews compared to now - it's difficult to be racist against people who are successful.

should have gone with my first instinct and not answered you at all. 

 

[jonessed]

So it is basically their own fault? 

It doesn't really matter.  If someone isn't willing to actively work on bettering themselves nobody is going to do it for them.

 

[BassNBrew]

Still looking for ideas.

Kinda floored that a presidential candidate listed off "Law and order; Stop and Frisk" as solutions for easing racial tensions in the debate.  Made me sad actually.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article104384751.html

You can donate to this guys legal fund.

 

[cstu]

So it is basically their own fault? 

We had a poll on this and voted 50/50.  I do think a lot of their problem is self-inflicted, hard not to see that if you're being objective.

However, I'm in support of a lot of issues that will help them (as well as other people in poor communities) - more school funding, reduced cost for college, better trained and more transparent policing, welfare, food stamps, etc. 

Ultimately though they need to step up and take responsibility. 

 

[cstu]

should have gone with my first instinct and not answered you at all. 

If I'm not liked because I don't pick a side and people can't handle the truth then so be it.

By the way, our black President feels the exact same way I do.

 

[BassNBrew]

Apples & oranges my friend. There are two big differences - i'll only address one here so as not to hijack.

There's a gay person in virtually every family. There was that basis for love and forgiveness on both sides once attitudes changed, and that transformation was the result more of evolution than revolution.

Race in America has always been a war and is still. A descendant of slaves and any who resemble him wakes up each day under battle conditions. Few people want to fight, but a black person may have to each and every day. They have to be battle-ready and that means being a mature warrior as well as a willing one. Malcolm X understood that the best way to achieve that and win was to be a better combatant than the enemy. For reasons within and beyond his control, he fell short of achieving that. So black people by and large still have to fight each day because they simply have not won yet - neither against the foe or within themselves. Most want to be just all up in the anger or far, far away from it all. Therefore, racism remains both an acute and chronic condition in this country.

Just what we need, a race war.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

If I'm not liked because I don't pick a side and people can't handle the truth then so be it.

By the way, our black President feels the exact same way I do.

 

[Nugget]

It doesn't really matter.  If someone isn't willing to actively work on bettering themselves nobody is going to do it for them.

I think we could remove some hurdles from the path.  Actively working on it on your own is not enough sometimes. 

 

[Capella]

It doesn't really matter.  If someone isn't willing to actively work on bettering themselves nobody is going to do it for them.

This is such a simpleton approach. These communities need better schools, better educators, better counselors, more money, better everything.

Some of these communities are being hung out to dry and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where comfortable white people who never had to deal with any of these problems can say from way afar "why don't they just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get out of there?" ?

 

[parasaurolophus]

This is such a simpleton approach. These communities need better schools, better educators, better counselors, more money, better everything.

Some of these communities are being hung out to dry and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where comfortable white people who never had to deal with any of these problems can say from way afar "why don't they just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get out of there?" ?

What does that even mean? How does a community get hung out to dry?

 

[jonessed]

This is such a simpleton approach. These communities need better schools, better educators, better counselors, more money, better everything.

Some of these communities are being hung out to dry and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where comfortable white people who never had to deal with any of these problems can say from way afar "why don't they just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get out of there?" ?

I'm not opposed to helping impoverished communities, but throwing money at it alone isn't going to solve anything.  Most of the effort is still going to have to come from the individuals.

 

[Bogeys]

This is such a simpleton approach. These communities need better schools, better educators, better counselors, more money, better everything.

Some of these communities are being hung out to dry and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where comfortable white people who never had to deal with any of these problems can say from way afar "why don't they just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get out of there?" ?

But if the educators, counselors, and whoever else are at these wonderful schools don't feel safe or don't have parental support money will not fix anything.  

I think something that will help is businesses getting involved in the community.  My workplace is 2 blocks from an inner city elementary school and we are encouraged and given time off to go tutor in reading every week.  Granted, it would probably need to be a larger business in order to do something like this but working with these kids every year is rewarding and hopefully helps them along at least a little.

 

[jon_mx]

Oppressor lives matter. 

 

[VA703]

so you want to join the cause?

But do you have what it takes?

pickup these garbs and show up at the next pep rally

that's the type of participation we need

maybe bring a boombox and blast some wu tang

 

[whiskey7]

This is such a simpleton approach. These communities need better schools, better educators, better counselors, more money, better everything.

Some of these communities are being hung out to dry and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where comfortable white people who never had to deal with any of these problems can say from way afar "why don't they just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get out of there?" ?

I agree with you that the communities need help but I also agree with jonessed and Bogeys that just increasing funding doesn't automatically get it done.

No doubt the schools in the poor neighborhoods are not nearly as nice as the ones in the 'burbs. They are not going to have the same facilities/equipment ($) nor attract the same teachers (variety of reasons). Does not mean students cant learn to read, write, and count there, though. If that is not happening, its likely due to several issues and simply cutting a check doesn't solve them all.

 

[whiskey7]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article104384751.html

You can donate to this guys legal fund.

And now poor Antonio will have a felony on his record and get to enjoy all the perks that go along with that.

DAMN those laws against common law robbery, assault inflicting serious bodily injury, false imprisonment and ethnic intimidation for ruining this young fella's life! No good racists runnin the show are going to leave this unarmed black man no choice but a life of crime!!

Gotta love this part:

"Cellphone video of the attack has earned international attention and condemnation, including accusations that it was racially motivated. The attackers were African-American and the victim was identified by police as white."

Accusations? The shooting of Keith Scott was immediately ruled a racially motivated murder in the high court of black public opinion (as well as some media outlets). No video or evidence necessary. Guilty! (Had to be, right? Keith was black!!). Destroy the city!!! But video of 10 black guys terrorizing and assaulting one white guy (who was down on his knee pleading to be spared) just might be racially motivated?

 

 

[VA703]

And now poor Antonio will have a felony on his record and get to enjoy all the perks that go along with that.

DAMN those laws against common law robbery, assault inflicting serious bodily injury, false imprisonment and ethnic intimidation for ruining this young fella's life! No good racists runnin the show are going to leave this unarmed black man no choice but a life of crime!!

Gotta love this part:

"Cellphone video of the attack has earned international attention and condemnation, including accusations that it was racially motivated. The attackers were African-American and the victim was identified by police as white."

Accusations? The shooting of Keith Scott was immediately ruled a racially motivated murder in the high court of black public opinion. No video or evidence necessary. Guilty! (Had to be, right? Keith was black!!). Destroy the city!!! But video of 10 black guys terrorizing and assaulting one white guy (who was down on his knee pleading to be spared) just might be racially motivated?

 

its racist to assume it was racially motivated. mkay

 

[whiskey7]

its racist to assume it was racially motivated. mkay

I was attempting to ridicule the hypocrisy of people who immediately cry racism any time something bad happens to a black person (at the hands of a cop or non-black) not being willing to immediately conclude the 10 on 1 beatdown of a white guy by black guys was racially motivated. I would have thought that was obvious

 

[VA703]

I was attempting to ridicule the hypocrisy of people who immediately cry racism any time something bad happens to a black person (at the hands of a cop or non-black) not being willing to immediately conclude the 10 on 1 beatdown of a white guy by black guys was racially motivated. I would have thought that was obvious

its racist to assume it isn't racially motivated