What I learned from the Chicago/Detroit Game (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I DVRed 2/3 of the first half and for some reason it stopped taping. But I will write out points that I saw form that and from remembering watching the entire game in real time.

The Bears run blocking wasn't as good because the Lions D line is that good. I didn't think they would be that good to be honest, but they proved me wrong. Suh is a beast and KVB has great hustle....he just wants to get to the ball all the time. Including hustling downfield to hit a ball carrier.

Devin Aromashodu dropped a TD in the end zone. However, he has shown from last season and through game 1 that he can make plays after the catch. I almost feel that he has the most potential moving forward, but I will reserve the right to make that claim after a few more games.

Back to the Lions DLine...Suh dominated Frank Omiyale on 3rd and goal from the 1 in the first quarter...the leverage and power is great from Suh.

I still think Cutler completes that pass to Knox(On cutler's only INT). Peterson made a great play by getting his hand on it. But the saftey was too far outside to make a play on it and it was at the perfect distance on 3rd and 20. Maybe he forced it....but looking back on it...not as bad as many viewed it.

Pisa Tinoisamoa is going to add such a huge spark to the defense this season. He is very underrated sticking his nose in the backfield to make plays too.

Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.

Nate Burleson disappointed me. He dropped passed and didn't show up as much as I thought he would.

Stafford has a very strong arm, he threw a great out pattern on a line....however, how strong will it be post injury? Hopefully just the same.

Cutler showed great mobility. Not only to avoid pressure to buy more time, but gained yards on the ground.

Those sleeping on Matt Forte will be disappointed. He is quicker, faster, and more agile than last season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Game recaps in the subscriber section are great but posters that DVR the games and can write a little summary like this is fantastic. Seriously, we need a master thread with all 16 games and a write up in here. Again the game recaps are great but you can't interact with the SP about them much. I would know as I wrote one of them this week. TB-Cle

Nice job and I suspected what you said about both the Detroit Dline which will get no respect and also Aromashodu who could have some very big weeks on the horizon.

 

[Ilov80s]

I DVRed 2/3 of the first half and for some reason it stopped taping. But I will write out points that I saw form that and from remembering watching the entire game in real time.The Bears run blocking wasn't as good because the Lions D line is that good. I didn't think they would be that good to be honest, but they proved me wrong. Suh is a beast and KVB has great hustle....he just wants to get to the ball all the time. Including hustling downfield to hit a ball carrier.Devin Aromashodu dropped a TD in the end zone. However, he has shown from last season and through game 1 that he can make plays after the catch. I almost feel that he has the most potential moving forward, but I will reserve the right to make that claim after a few more games.Back to the Lions DLine...Suh dominated Frank Omiyale on 3rd and goal from the 1 in the first quarter...the leverage and power is great from Suh.I still think Cutler completes that pass to Knox(On cutler's only INT). Peterson made a great play by getting his hand on it. But the saftey was too far outside to make a play on it and it was at the perfect distance on 3rd and 20. Maybe he forced it....but looking back on it...not as bad as many viewed it.Pisa Tinoisamoa is going to add such a huge spark to the defense this season. He is very underrated sticking his nose in the backfield to make plays too.Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.Nate Burleson disappointed me. He dropped passed and didn't show up as much as I thought he would.Stafford has a very strong arm, he threw a great out pattern on a line....however, how strong will it be post injury? Hopefully just the same.Cutler showed great mobility. Not only to avoid pressure to buy more time, but gained yards on the ground.Those sleeping on Matt Forte will be disappointed. He is quicker, faster, and more agile than last season.

I would add Turk McBride is someone to watch out for. Once Avril got hurt and McBride came in, he was creating absolute havoc in the backfield. Suh is indeed a beast. At times he was being triple teamed. This Lions team likes to hit and physically intimidated the Bears offense in a way I haven't seen a Lions D do in awhile. The Bears D is also really good this year. They are fast and aggressive. However, the Lions were plagues with awful field position the entire 2nd half- I think they started inside their own 20 four or five times. I wouldn't be too bullish on either offense moving forward from here. Finally, we learned that the NFL does not know what a TD catch is.

 

[Bad Mojo]

What I learned....

One Knee equals to cheat

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

What I learned....One Knee equals to cheat

Let it go....my gosh. Nothing can be changed now. If you don't like the rule, write a letter to the NFL's head office. All we can do at this point is learn from the games that are going on...which is the point of this thread.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

What about Johnny Knox?

 

[Clifford]

Watched the whole game as well

Aromoshadu will likely end the year with better numbers than Knox, but even though Cutler will throw a ton I think Forte has the best chance at being a 1k yard receiver. None of our receivers looked very good (eventually Bears will learn that this is actually an important position they should consider paying for more than once every quarter century).

 

[smackdaddies]

I DVRed 2/3 of the first half and for some reason it stopped taping. But I will write out points that I saw form that and from remembering watching the entire game in real time.The Bears run blocking wasn't as good because the Lions D line is that good. I didn't think they would be that good to be honest, but they proved me wrong. Suh is a beast and KVB has great hustle....he just wants to get to the ball all the time. Including hustling downfield to hit a ball carrier.Devin Aromashodu dropped a TD in the end zone. However, he has shown from last season and through game 1 that he can make plays after the catch. I almost feel that he has the most potential moving forward, but I will reserve the right to make that claim after a few more games.Back to the Lions DLine...Suh dominated Frank Omiyale on 3rd and goal from the 1 in the first quarter...the leverage and power is great from Suh.I still think Cutler completes that pass to Knox(On cutler's only INT). Peterson made a great play by getting his hand on it. But the saftey was too far outside to make a play on it and it was at the perfect distance on 3rd and 20. Maybe he forced it....but looking back on it...not as bad as many viewed it.Pisa Tinoisamoa is going to add such a huge spark to the defense this season. He is very underrated sticking his nose in the backfield to make plays too.Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.Nate Burleson disappointed me. He dropped passed and didn't show up as much as I thought he would.Stafford has a very strong arm, he threw a great out pattern on a line....however, how strong will it be post injury? Hopefully just the same.Cutler showed great mobility. Not only to avoid pressure to buy more time, but gained yards on the ground.Those sleeping on Matt Forte will be disappointed. He is quicker, faster, and more agile than last season.

Having watched the game, some additional observations (I agree with most above)Detroit play calling was VERY conservative - two shots down field in the first half? Wow, awful. The really didn't try anything till the end of the game. People were dogging CJ in the game thread, but if no one throws him the ball, how is it his fault?Not impressed with Cutler or Lovie. Chi had at least 6 shots from starting on Detroits side of the field in the second half, and got stoned every time. and I don't think detroits D is that good - bad play calling, bad passing, bad running. Based on what the Chi D gave the Chi O, Chicago should of won this game by at least 21 points.Not impressed with any receiver. CJ had two TD passes, and you can blame him at least in part for both not counting. Sure, the last call (while correct by the rules) sucked big time, the fact is big time receivers make td catches in bounds and don't let go of the damm ball. He failed. No Chicago receivers were any goodI was impressed by Urlacher, Briggs and Forte - that's it. Cutler may score a lot of points in FF, but he did not impress me as a qb who was going to win games for his team (see previous point). Forte was great in the passing game, so - so in the rush game - showed speed and hands. If you got him as a #2 RB in your ppr draft, it is going to be very this happy season.

 

[ourmanflint]

What about Johnny Knox?

- I saw several BIG near misses here. One on a deep out in single coverage where Knox really beat his guy to the outside but Cutler thought he was going to go vertical. Just different reads. Not sure who was at fault but that seems to happen alot between these 2. Hope they can get it worked out.Another BIG play where Knox was open and they both read it the same way but Cutler just missed him.I think there was another.- Yes, Mash was targeted more but so what, there's plenty to go around. - Forte does look good and this offense seems to get him in position to make plays. Nice speed and shiftiness. Near breaking a couple more plays.- Others may feel differently but I think this offense shows promise. It has an explosive feel. Just alot of mistakes being made. They need to get that ironed out. The line is letting alot of guys through but Cutler is up to the challenge and he still makes plays on the run.I can see them having some miserable days when the mistakes outnumber the big plays. They really need to get on the same page in terms of the reads. If they can they will have some very big days.

 

[shnikies]

Watched the whole game as well

Aromoshadu will likely end the year with better numbers than Knox, but even though Cutler will throw a ton I think Forte has the best chance at being a 1k yard receiver. None of our receivers looked very good (eventually Bears will learn that this is actually an important position they should consider paying for more than once every quarter century).

I've been hearing a lot of this Aromashadu nonsense and I'd like to point out a tidbit. Is Jay Cutler in love with Aromashadu right now? Yes. Will he be in the next several weeks? Absolutely not. I can't think of an adjective that correctly describes Shadu's hands. The best I can come up with is that it's almost like he has two bricks instead of hands. I see he was only credited with one drop but it was more like 4 from what I saw. I'm not an owner of any Bears receiver but I promise you if you drafted Knox you will be rewarded. He is easily the most skilled receiver and it's only a matter of time before Cutler realizes there's a reason Shadu didn't work out for the Colts. Manning can't stand players with bad hands and Garcon may be in the same spot if he doesn't get his poo together. Aromashadu can get all the separation in the world he wants but if he doesn't catch the ball it don't mean diddly. Knox will lead this team in receiving and whether Olsen or Shadu are second I can't predict right now. Side note: Hester is awful

 

[Clifford]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.

Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

 

[Eminence]

I think we can all agree that the Bears' secondary is their primary weakness; yet they made little attempt to attack it. Insisting on running it at their good line; and great linebacking core? What was the Lions' game plan exactly?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Who is the other LB with Hillenmeyer gone, Roach still out?

 

[shnikies]

Who is the other LB with Hillenmeyer gone, Roach still out?

The Leaning Tower

 

[smackdaddies]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Cutler made some good passes, some bad passes, but utterly failed to move the team most of the second half when he had great field position - not so much as a fg (which was Lovies stupid decision once). The offense was TERRIBLE in the second half, and not that good in the first. Some of the failure to take advantage of that field position has to go to Cutler. Can you imagine Brady/Farve/Rodgers/Brees/Rivers failing to move the team with that kind of position? No - they all would of moved it enough to get at least 2-3 fg, and likely at least 2td.

 

[shnikies]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Cutler made some good passes, some bad passes, but utterly failed to move the team most of the second half when he had great field position - not so much as a fg (which was Lovies stupid decision once). The offense was TERRIBLE in the second half, and not that good in the first. Some of the failure to take advantage of that field position has to go to Cutler. Can you imagine Brady/Farve/Rodgers/Brees/Rivers failing to move the team with that kind of position? No - they all would of moved it enough to get at least 2-3 fg, and likely at least 2td.

What? Cutler threw one interception that was definitely ill-advised and fumbled when he was hit from behind (bad pocket awareness) and then had his tight end fumble at 10 yard line, his running back fumble at the 30, had his running back unable to punch in touchdowns from inside the 1 on two different possessions, had Aromashadu drop critical passes. I thought Cutler is one of the last people to blame for their lack of scoring.Edit: Plus, he was 23-35 for 372 at 10.6 per attempt. What else do you want from the guy?

 

[BoulderBob]

Cutler looked very good, imo...and I wouldn't be shocked, at all, if he finishes as a top 3 fantasy QB, same goes for Forte at RB....gotta love Martz. Time will tell...Suh is a beast, and will dominate 95% of the guards/tackles he goes up against...

 

[Clifford]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Cutler made some good passes, some bad passes, but utterly failed to move the team most of the second half when he had great field position - not so much as a fg (which was Lovies stupid decision once). The offense was TERRIBLE in the second half, and not that good in the first. Some of the failure to take advantage of that field position has to go to Cutler. Can you imagine Brady/Farve/Rodgers/Brees/Rivers failing to move the team with that kind of position? No - they all would of moved it enough to get at least 2-3 fg, and likely at least 2td.

Yes if their receivers can't catch, but the point is that Cutler isn't Brady/Rodgers/Brees and so he needs a receiver that can help him out a little by actually going and getting some balls.

 

[We Tigers]

So how awful was Hester? I didn't get to see the game, but the box score says quite a bit. What were hid problems--bad routes? He seems very droppable in redraft.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

So how awful was Hester? I didn't get to see the game, but the box score says quite a bit. What were hid problems--bad routes? He seems very droppable in redraft.

Hester has bad route running/struggles to create separation with DB's.

 

[shnikies]

So how awful was Hester? I didn't get to see the game, but the box score says quite a bit. What were hid problems--bad routes? He seems very droppable in redraft.

Out of the numerous skills needed to be a starting wide receiver in the NFL, Hester has one, speed.

 

[One]

Cutler made some good passes, some bad passes, but utterly failed to move the team most of the second half when he had great field position - not so much as a fg (which was Lovies stupid decision once). The offense was TERRIBLE in the second half, and not that good in the first.

Some of the failure to take advantage of that field position has to go to Cutler. Can you imagine Brady/Farve/Rodgers/Brees/Rivers failing to move the team with that kind of position? No - they all would of moved it enough to get at least 2-3 fg, and likely at least 2td.

How is any of this Cutler's fault?Aromashou dropped wide open TD pass:

1st and 10 at DET 38 J.Cutler pass incomplete deep right to D.Aromashodu.

Olsen fumble in DET territory:

1st and 10 at DET 12 J.Cutler pass short right to G.Olsen to DET 8 for 4 yards (C.Houston). FUMBLES (C.Houston), RECOVERED by DET-J.Peterson at DET 8. J.Peterson to DET 8 for no gain (L.Louis).

Forte fumble in Red Zone:

1st and 10 at DET 43 J.Cutler pass short right to M.Forte to DET 27 for 16 yards (C.Brown). FUMBLES (C.Brown), RECOVERED by DET-C.Avril at DET 30. C.Avril to DET 40 for 10 yards (O.Kreutz).

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I DVRed 2/3 of the first half and for some reason it stopped taping. But I will write out points that I saw form that and from remembering watching the entire game in real time.The Bears run blocking wasn't as good because the Lions D line is that good. I didn't think they would be that good to be honest, but they proved me wrong. Suh is a beast and KVB has great hustle....he just wants to get to the ball all the time. Including hustling downfield to hit a ball carrier.Devin Aromashodu dropped a TD in the end zone. However, he has shown from last season and through game 1 that he can make plays after the catch. I almost feel that he has the most potential moving forward, but I will reserve the right to make that claim after a few more games.Back to the Lions DLine...Suh dominated Frank Omiyale on 3rd and goal from the 1 in the first quarter...the leverage and power is great from Suh.I still think Cutler completes that pass to Knox(On cutler's only INT). Peterson made a great play by getting his hand on it. But the saftey was too far outside to make a play on it and it was at the perfect distance on 3rd and 20. Maybe he forced it....but looking back on it...not as bad as many viewed it.Pisa Tinoisamoa is going to add such a huge spark to the defense this season. He is very underrated sticking his nose in the backfield to make plays too.Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.Nate Burleson disappointed me. He dropped passed and didn't show up as much as I thought he would.Stafford has a very strong arm, he threw a great out pattern on a line....however, how strong will it be post injury? Hopefully just the same.Cutler showed great mobility. Not only to avoid pressure to buy more time, but gained yards on the ground.Those sleeping on Matt Forte will be disappointed. He is quicker, faster, and more agile than last season.

Any thoughts on Peppers? Is he going to be an impact guy for them?

 

[smackdaddies]

Cutler made some good passes, some bad passes, but utterly failed to move the team most of the second half when he had great field position - not so much as a fg (which was Lovies stupid decision once). The offense was TERRIBLE in the second half, and not that good in the first.

Some of the failure to take advantage of that field position has to go to Cutler. Can you imagine Brady/Farve/Rodgers/Brees/Rivers failing to move the team with that kind of position? No - they all would of moved it enough to get at least 2-3 fg, and likely at least 2td.

How is any of this Cutler's fault?Aromashou dropped wide open TD pass:

1st and 10 at DET 38 J.Cutler pass incomplete deep right to D.Aromashodu.

Olsen fumble in DET territory:

1st and 10 at DET 12 J.Cutler pass short right to G.Olsen to DET 8 for 4 yards (C.Houston). FUMBLES (C.Houston), RECOVERED by DET-J.Peterson at DET 8. J.Peterson to DET 8 for no gain (L.Louis).

Forte fumble in Red Zone:

1st and 10 at DET 43 J.Cutler pass short right to M.Forte to DET 27 for 16 yards (C.Brown). FUMBLES (C.Brown), RECOVERED by DET-C.Avril at DET 30. C.Avril to DET 40 for 10 yards (O.Kreutz).

2nd Half for the Bears - Punt, Punt, Fumble, Punt, Downs, Punt, Touchdown. That is a bad half of offensive football. Which is exactly what I said in my postedit - and 4 times in game got to the Red Zone,out of that the Bears get 2 FGs. That's pathetic, and yes, you should put some of the blame on the QB.

 

[davegameplayer]

I didn't see the game. Was it Suh that stopped the run game of the bears or were they just not performing that well?

 

[Clifford]

I DVRed 2/3 of the first half and for some reason it stopped taping. But I will write out points that I saw form that and from remembering watching the entire game in real time.The Bears run blocking wasn't as good because the Lions D line is that good. I didn't think they would be that good to be honest, but they proved me wrong. Suh is a beast and KVB has great hustle....he just wants to get to the ball all the time. Including hustling downfield to hit a ball carrier.Devin Aromashodu dropped a TD in the end zone. However, he has shown from last season and through game 1 that he can make plays after the catch. I almost feel that he has the most potential moving forward, but I will reserve the right to make that claim after a few more games.Back to the Lions DLine...Suh dominated Frank Omiyale on 3rd and goal from the 1 in the first quarter...the leverage and power is great from Suh.I still think Cutler completes that pass to Knox(On cutler's only INT). Peterson made a great play by getting his hand on it. But the saftey was too far outside to make a play on it and it was at the perfect distance on 3rd and 20. Maybe he forced it....but looking back on it...not as bad as many viewed it.Pisa Tinoisamoa is going to add such a huge spark to the defense this season. He is very underrated sticking his nose in the backfield to make plays too.Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.Nate Burleson disappointed me. He dropped passed and didn't show up as much as I thought he would.Stafford has a very strong arm, he threw a great out pattern on a line....however, how strong will it be post injury? Hopefully just the same.Cutler showed great mobility. Not only to avoid pressure to buy more time, but gained yards on the ground.Those sleeping on Matt Forte will be disappointed. He is quicker, faster, and more agile than last season.

Any thoughts on Peppers? Is he going to be an impact guy for them?

Sure made an impact on Stafford

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

What about Johnny Knox?

Knox looked well at times and looked lost at times. Running the wrong route and not getting off of a press(saw this a couple of times).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I didn't see the game. Was it Suh that stopped the run game of the bears or were they just not performing that well?

Lions front 4 is very good and will be giving teams fits all season. suh, KVDB Corey williams all played lights out. Cliff Avril got hurt and was replaced with turk McBride who got 2 sacks. Strength of the D

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Watched the whole game as well

Aromoshadu will likely end the year with better numbers than Knox, but even though Cutler will throw a ton I think Forte has the best chance at being a 1k yard receiver. None of our receivers looked very good (eventually Bears will learn that this is actually an important position they should consider paying for more than once every quarter century).

I've been hearing a lot of this Aromashadu nonsense and I'd like to point out a tidbit. Is Jay Cutler in love with Aromashadu right now? Yes. Will he be in the next several weeks? Absolutely not. I can't think of an adjective that correctly describes Shadu's hands. The best I can come up with is that it's almost like he has two bricks instead of hands. I see he was only credited with one drop but it was more like 4 from what I saw. I'm not an owner of any Bears receiver but I promise you if you drafted Knox you will be rewarded. He is easily the most skilled receiver and it's only a matter of time before Cutler realizes there's a reason Shadu didn't work out for the Colts. Manning can't stand players with bad hands and Garcon may be in the same spot if he doesn't get his poo together. Aromashadu can get all the separation in the world he wants but if he doesn't catch the ball it don't mean diddly. Knox will lead this team in receiving and whether Olsen or Shadu are second I can't predict right now. Side note: Hester is awful

I saw the complete opposite. Did you see the first 3rd down of the game? DA goes across the middle....Cutler throws the ball too high between two defenders....DA jumps and gets one hand on the ball...and then bats it again in the air to then come down with the ball. He saved the drive and Cutler from throwing a potential INT. Then DA took that pass....broke a few tackles and turned it into at least a 20 yard gain.DA has perhaps the best hands on the team....only drop I remember was the end zone catch(which he attempted to catch with his body).

 

[Dexter Manley]

Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.

Disagree with this. Most rb's are going to look like they have poor power when they get hit at or behind the line of scrimmage nearly every play. If Best had poor power he wouldn't have scored that second td where he was able to push across the goalline.The Bears defense dominated the line of scrimmage all day long. I think Chicago's defense is the real deal this season.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Negative post again. I am contrary to this belief. I think the Bears have everything that they need in a WR core. DA has the size(6'2) and playmaking ability...good YAC player. Knox and Hester both have the speed. When Earl Bennett comes back...he will be one of the best WR4's in the NFL(arguably the best WR the Bears had last season). Then add in Greg Olsen...who has size and is above average(yet underachieving) for a TE. Forte and Chester Taylor are good recieving RB's as well.Add to the fact that Olsen, Forte, Bennett, Knox are all very young...they are still developing into the positions. On top of that...everyone on offense is still learning the scheme...the plays. Give it time.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Who is the other LB with Hillenmeyer gone, Roach still out?

Pisa is starting at Sam....he played very well too.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.

Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Cutler made some good passes, some bad passes, but utterly failed to move the team most of the second half when he had great field position - not so much as a fg (which was Lovies stupid decision once). The offense was TERRIBLE in the second half, and not that good in the first. Some of the failure to take advantage of that field position has to go to Cutler. Can you imagine Brady/Farve/Rodgers/Brees/Rivers failing to move the team with that kind of position? No - they all would of moved it enough to get at least 2-3 fg, and likely at least 2td.

I agree they should've put up more points....but the Forte and Olsen fumbles weren't Cutler's fault. Also I find it hard to believe that over 400 yards of total offense isn't good in your book.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

So how awful was Hester? I didn't get to see the game, but the box score says quite a bit. What were hid problems--bad routes? He seems very droppable in redraft.

Hester has bad route running/struggles to create separation with DB's.

On his only target Hester got great seperation...other than that I didn't notice him much at all.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I DVRed 2/3 of the first half and for some reason it stopped taping. But I will write out points that I saw form that and from remembering watching the entire game in real time.The Bears run blocking wasn't as good because the Lions D line is that good. I didn't think they would be that good to be honest, but they proved me wrong. Suh is a beast and KVB has great hustle....he just wants to get to the ball all the time. Including hustling downfield to hit a ball carrier.Devin Aromashodu dropped a TD in the end zone. However, he has shown from last season and through game 1 that he can make plays after the catch. I almost feel that he has the most potential moving forward, but I will reserve the right to make that claim after a few more games.Back to the Lions DLine...Suh dominated Frank Omiyale on 3rd and goal from the 1 in the first quarter...the leverage and power is great from Suh.I still think Cutler completes that pass to Knox(On cutler's only INT). Peterson made a great play by getting his hand on it. But the saftey was too far outside to make a play on it and it was at the perfect distance on 3rd and 20. Maybe he forced it....but looking back on it...not as bad as many viewed it.Pisa Tinoisamoa is going to add such a huge spark to the defense this season. He is very underrated sticking his nose in the backfield to make plays too.Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.Nate Burleson disappointed me. He dropped passed and didn't show up as much as I thought he would.Stafford has a very strong arm, he threw a great out pattern on a line....however, how strong will it be post injury? Hopefully just the same.Cutler showed great mobility. Not only to avoid pressure to buy more time, but gained yards on the ground.Those sleeping on Matt Forte will be disappointed. He is quicker, faster, and more agile than last season.

Any thoughts on Peppers? Is he going to be an impact guy for them?

I think many underrated Peppers first game with the Bears. He had the sack and forced fumble that knocked Stafford out of the game. But he had other pressures as well and was a big contributor in the stout run game. However, on one of the pressures he hit Stafford in the head...which was a 3rd down and it extended the drive...which turned into a TD. So far though, he is worth every penny.

 

[Clifford]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Negative post again. I am contrary to this belief. I think the Bears have everything that they need in a WR core. DA has the size(6'2) and playmaking ability...good YAC player. Knox and Hester both have the speed. When Earl Bennett comes back...he will be one of the best WR4's in the NFL(arguably the best WR the Bears had last season). Then add in Greg Olsen...who has size and is above average(yet underachieving) for a TE. Forte and Chester Taylor are good recieving RB's as well.Add to the fact that Olsen, Forte, Bennett, Knox are all very young...they are still developing into the positions. On top of that...everyone on offense is still learning the scheme...the plays. Give it time.

You do realize that the Bears have not had a 1k yard receiver since Marty Booker, right? DA has size. That's it. Playmakers catch touchdowns that drop right into their breadbasket.As for Knox and Hester, you need more than speed to be a good receiver. Hester is too short and Knox is rail-thin. Sorry, I can't play Polyanna about our receivers any more, especially given the length of time this team has gone without a quality receiver. Give Cutler someone to throw to.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I didn't see the game. Was it Suh that stopped the run game of the bears or were they just not performing that well?

Suh is that good. However, KVB had a good game and many of their other Dline. Not sure if they schemed to stop the run or not....but the pass D allowed 372 yards.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Negative post again. I am contrary to this belief. I think the Bears have everything that they need in a WR core. DA has the size(6'2) and playmaking ability...good YAC player. Knox and Hester both have the speed. When Earl Bennett comes back...he will be one of the best WR4's in the NFL(arguably the best WR the Bears had last season). Then add in Greg Olsen...who has size and is above average(yet underachieving) for a TE. Forte and Chester Taylor are good recieving RB's as well.Add to the fact that Olsen, Forte, Bennett, Knox are all very young...they are still developing into the positions. On top of that...everyone on offense is still learning the scheme...the plays. Give it time.

You do realize that the Bears have not had a 1k yard receiver since Marty Booker, right? DA has size. That's it. Playmakers catch touchdowns that drop right into their breadbasket.As for Knox and Hester, you need more than speed to be a good receiver. Hester is too short and Knox is rail-thin. Sorry, I can't play Polyanna about our receivers any more, especially given the length of time this team has gone without a quality receiver. Give Cutler someone to throw to.

Yes and before that it was Marcus Robinson.You didn't think DA made impressive plays at the end of last season, as well as that one handed catch and run after on the 3rd down?Not every offense needs to have a STUD WR to succeed. Peyton Manning makes Garcon and Collie look pretty good. Tom Brady won super bowls with Troy Brown and Deion Branch as his WR's....what have they done since. In this offense...they need speed WR's...enter Hester and Knox...they need some size Olsen and DA...pass catching RB's Forte and taylor.The Bears WR situation is better than it was last season.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.

Disagree with this. Most rb's are going to look like they have poor power when they get hit at or behind the line of scrimmage nearly every play. If Best had poor power he wouldn't have scored that second td where he was able to push across the goalline.The Bears defense dominated the line of scrimmage all day long. I think Chicago's defense is the real deal this season.

I'm a Jahvid Best fan....but he went down almost every time on first contact. That's just a fact.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Aromashodu's last 5 games as a Bear:

Recept/Yards/TD/Targets

8/76/1/12

2/10/0/10

7/150/1/9

5/46/2/8

5/71/0/10

and I believe he had 2 end zone targets last game also. He's been getting lots of targets in every single game ever since he's been in the starting lineup. Don't know what happened in the 2 receptions game last year, but Cutler has gone back to him still.

 

[Manster]

that was the most entertaining game of week 1, imo.

too bad that stupid rule puts a blemish on such a good game.

 

[Ray_T]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Negative post again. I am contrary to this belief. I think the Bears have everything that they need in a WR core. DA has the size(6'2) and playmaking ability...good YAC player. Knox and Hester both have the speed. When Earl Bennett comes back...he will be one of the best WR4's in the NFL(arguably the best WR the Bears had last season). Then add in Greg Olsen...who has size and is above average(yet underachieving) for a TE. Forte and Chester Taylor are good recieving RB's as well.Add to the fact that Olsen, Forte, Bennett, Knox are all very young...they are still developing into the positions. On top of that...everyone on offense is still learning the scheme...the plays. Give it time.

I cannot agree with this.They have a very good TE.Knox may be an adequate #2 WR and hester has traditionally been a #3 (who I admit has the possible upside of being a #2 guy, but has yet to show this....) but the best receivers on this team are the RB and TE and that simply is not acceptable. This team does need a true #1 WR. You cannot count on Forte & Olsen to get more than 1600 yards combined in receiving yards. The rest has to come from somewhere, and while I like knox, I dont think he is a 1000 yard WR (at least not yet)I know Cutler may take a lot of heat if the production isnt huge, but I'm personally struglling with who is gonna be on the receiving end of all these passes. I just dont see it happening. I know Martz will likely find a player who will come out of the woodwork to put up some good numbers. (he did it in Detroit) but I still have my concerns here.the largest concern is that Martz doesnt traditionally utilize the TE position like some other coaches. If this turns into a down season for Olsen, then I'm REALLY worried for this team.either way, I suppose time will tell.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.

Disagree with this. Most rb's are going to look like they have poor power when they get hit at or behind the line of scrimmage nearly every play. If Best had poor power he wouldn't have scored that second td where he was able to push across the goalline.The Bears defense dominated the line of scrimmage all day long. I think Chicago's defense is the real deal this season.

I'm a Jahvid Best fan....but he went down almost every time on first contact. That's just a fact.

The Lions could of had ADP back there, and he wouldn't of gained 10 more yards total on those exact same runs Best had. The Bears dominated the line of scrimmage on defense all game. There were no holes or running lanes. It's not like Best was hitting holes and then being brought down by arm tackles all day. He was consistently getting hit by 1, 2, or more defenders at or behind the line of scrimmage the entire game.The only time I can recall Detroit's oline giving Best a decent lane was during his first td run.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.

Disagree with this. Most rb's are going to look like they have poor power when they get hit at or behind the line of scrimmage nearly every play. If Best had poor power he wouldn't have scored that second td where he was able to push across the goalline.The Bears defense dominated the line of scrimmage all day long. I think Chicago's defense is the real deal this season.

I'm a Jahvid Best fan....but he went down almost every time on first contact. That's just a fact.

The Lions could of had ADP back there, and he wouldn't of gained 10 more yards total on those exact same runs Best had. The Bears dominated the line of scrimmage on defense all game. There were no holes or running lanes. It's not like Best was hitting holes and then being brought down by arm tackles all day. He was consistently getting hit by 1, 2, or more defenders at or behind the line of scrimmage the entire game.The only time I can recall Detroit's oline giving Best a decent lane was during his first td run.

Ah, you are a Best owner.....I got it.ADP would've had more than 30 yards on those same 14 carries.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sad thing is if this offense had a true #1 receiver they could average around 28 ppg. Cutler has to be a surgeon with his passes to get receptions. If it's not hitting a receiver in a perfect bubble away from his receivers, placed right into their hands, they're not making the catch. Jump balls? No way in hell. I feel bad for Cutler because for two straight years this team has refused to get him a true #1 when there plenty available, and it's just so incredibly obvious that is what this team lacks: a receiver who can consistently beat defenders, track the ball in there, go up and fight for the ball, and make some yac. This team didn't have that last year, did absolutely NOTHING to get one this year, and they need to get real about the fact that our receivers completely SUCK and none of them will ever be any good.Go get Jackson and pay whatever you have to. Otherwise your investment in both Cutler and Martz was a complete waste of money.

Negative post again. I am contrary to this belief. I think the Bears have everything that they need in a WR core. DA has the size(6'2) and playmaking ability...good YAC player. Knox and Hester both have the speed. When Earl Bennett comes back...he will be one of the best WR4's in the NFL(arguably the best WR the Bears had last season). Then add in Greg Olsen...who has size and is above average(yet underachieving) for a TE. Forte and Chester Taylor are good recieving RB's as well.Add to the fact that Olsen, Forte, Bennett, Knox are all very young...they are still developing into the positions. On top of that...everyone on offense is still learning the scheme...the plays. Give it time.

I cannot agree with this.They have a very good TE.Knox may be an adequate #2 WR and hester has traditionally been a #3 (who I admit has the possible upside of being a #2 guy, but has yet to show this....) but the best receivers on this team are the RB and TE and that simply is not acceptable. This team does need a true #1 WR. You cannot count on Forte & Olsen to get more than 1600 yards combined in receiving yards. The rest has to come from somewhere, and while I like knox, I dont think he is a 1000 yard WR (at least not yet)I know Cutler may take a lot of heat if the production isnt huge, but I'm personally struglling with who is gonna be on the receiving end of all these passes. I just dont see it happening. I know Martz will likely find a player who will come out of the woodwork to put up some good numbers. (he did it in Detroit) but I still have my concerns here.the largest concern is that Martz doesnt traditionally utilize the TE position like some other coaches. If this turns into a down season for Olsen, then I'm REALLY worried for this team.either way, I suppose time will tell.

Your last statement is the main point...time will tell. However, I think that in these spread offenses many players will touch the ball and a #1 stud is less needed to succeed. We will see, but 372 yards in the first game passing is just fine by me.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Jahvid Best has poor power...he went down on first contact almost every time.

Disagree with this. Most rb's are going to look like they have poor power when they get hit at or behind the line of scrimmage nearly every play. If Best had poor power he wouldn't have scored that second td where he was able to push across the goalline.The Bears defense dominated the line of scrimmage all day long. I think Chicago's defense is the real deal this season.

I'm a Jahvid Best fan....but he went down almost every time on first contact. That's just a fact.

The Lions could of had ADP back there, and he wouldn't of gained 10 more yards total on those exact same runs Best had. The Bears dominated the line of scrimmage on defense all game. There were no holes or running lanes. It's not like Best was hitting holes and then being brought down by arm tackles all day. He was consistently getting hit by 1, 2, or more defenders at or behind the line of scrimmage the entire game.The only time I can recall Detroit's oline giving Best a decent lane was during his first td run.

Ah, you are a Best owner.....I got it.ADP would've had more than 30 yards on those same 14 carries.