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What is Bernard Berrian doing..... (1 Viewer)
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valhallan
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First of all, that was a inside jab at switz stemming from another thread. Second of all, I don't think anyone in here drafted Berrian as a "shark move". The point most of us have is that he was clearly involved in the gameplan and was just inches away from having a big game. So, the 3 for 39 doesn't really tell the whole story. Maybe he'll continue to post pedestrian numbers in most weeks, but I would a expect a few games over 100 with a score based on what I saw Monday.Everything but stop complaining about pass interference after EVERY pass to him fell incomplete. Sure, 1 was actually PI, but the 1 called was not, so it's a wash. MIN's offense looked like they were moreso counting on PI calls, so they were just chucking it hoping for a PI. When that didn't happen as frequently as they'd hoped they just broke down. Berrian is a WR2 thrust into a WR1 role and he just isn't good enough for it. He holds value as a bye week fill in, but if you were counting on Berrian being a "shark move" in your draft and drafted him as WR2, you'll be greatly disappointed this season
NorrisB
Footballguy
He only has one move, "Go deep" Rice has more of a larry fitzgerald like skill set.While Rice is a very good WR, is he better than Berrian? Or does he just present a different skill set? I vote for the latter. The Vikes actually have two very good WRs now.... but they need a QB.To answer OPs question, Berrian is the second best WR in an offense featuring Tavaris Jackson at QB. A QB who goes 7-21 91 yds 0 tds 2 ints quite regularly. The dude is worthless, I think Id even consider dropping him in a dynasty league.
Honestly, if you're worried about one bad game from a WR then just drop him and pick up one of those guys from your waiver wire...Stats worthy of putting him into your lineup on occasion. 3 catches for 38 yards....c'mon my WW is crawling with that kinda talent. What kinda money do you think Sindey Rice will want when his contract is up, seeing as he'll most likely outproduce Berrian for the season?I guess I'll ask what everyone else who reads this post is thinking...what kind of stats did you expect from him this year?He got his contract because A) he was arguably one of, or THE top WR in the FA class this year, B) the cap increased quite a bit, inflating salaries, and C) hes an excellent deep threat that requires attention, even if Tavaris can only get it somewhere near him downfield, and opens up things for Peterson.This guy gets a 6 year - $42 million contract, with $16 million garunteed. Is it just me,...or do i see LESS stats coming from him this year in Minn, then in CHI last year?
He was targeted 8 times monday, and had 3 catches. I think he's going to be bench eye candy for the remainder of the season.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
FavreCo
Footballguy
That's not the problem. He has skills. He also has no skilled QB to get him the ball. Of course, he was overpaid.....
valhallan
Footballguy
Looking through my leagues, I don't see anyone using him higher than WR3. But I guess it's more useful to a haters argument to say people are using him as their WR1
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
Whoa Whoa Whoa, thats the game i want him to put up big numbers in. DIVISION RIVALRY!! Unfortunetely for him, he doesn't get the satisfaction to play only outer division opponents the first few weeks to get warmed up. He played one of the more if not most important games for week 1. Thats an important game to come up with 3 catches for 38 yards in. Blame it on Tavaris,...blame it on supurb coverage, but if i pay you $16 million garunteed,..i want plays out of you most others can't make. With him,....i don't see them getting it. Which brings up the OP....what is he doing to get $16 million in garunteed money........nothing.
H.K.
Footballguy
Basically his contract was a good one for the Vikings short term, and since its a six year deal, it could be a really good one with a new CBA and increased salary cap on the horizon.If you want to complain about his stats as they relate to your fantasy team then go ahead (even though they should not be a surprise given the QB and system in Minnesota). However, the business side of your argument is not valid.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
Hmmm...3 years over $23 million doesn't that sound like a couple people we know.....T.O. , Moss yeah i'm sure the business side of giving this guy that money is so smart it just kinda flew over my head.... Thanks H.K
sho nuff
Footballguy
How is a 2008 cap number of $9 mil for Berrian good for them short term?
H.K.
Footballguy
See the underlined. They still had plenty of cap room after the signing.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
So if i have $37 in cap space, i want to give 25% of it to someone who will have 3 catches for 38 yards in our DIVISION RIVALRY game against the Packers. Hmmm,...how can you say that thats good business,...or good play from Berrian. I have him as my WR4,...and i'm thinking of trading him off as boot in a larger trade perhaps. My point was and still is,...thats ridiculous to pay him the same amount of money some of the ELITE WRs are getting paid. H.K you say it was a smart move business wise. Well, you might be correct, the contract terms might be satisfactory, but the person getting them isn't.
Donnybrook
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What free agent WR would you have signed if you were the Vikings GM. What WR would you have drafted? Obviously, you would have let Berrian be signed by the Raiders because according to you he isn't worth the money. PS: I could careless about your fantasy team.
H.K.
Footballguy
They are also paying him to be a deep threat and open things up for the running game. This may not help you in your fantasy league, but its one of the reasons they are paying him: 3-9-MIN 21 (9:18) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep left to 87-B.Berrian. PENALTY on GB-31-A.Harris, Defensive Pass Interference, 26 yards, enforced at MIN 21 - No Play.
H.K you say it was a smart move business wise. Well, you might be correct, the contract terms might be satisfactory, but the person getting them isn't.
That's 26 yards and a first down for the offense. Good for the team.
As far as the money goes, they paid up front today when they had the money so they could spend more later on. His contract will be far below market value at the time when salaries escalate everywhere else. What are elite WR's going to cost in 2010 if there is no CBA and hence no salary cap? Berrian's contract will come in line extremely quickly.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Their cap space amount does not make it a good deal for them.
massraider
Footballguy
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but if you look at his stats, he had a bad game.
What I saw on Monday was a guy that got open, and his QB missed him.
What I saw on Monday was a guy that got open, and his QB missed him.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
I'm running back and forth today with the kids, so i can't look up exactly who makes more than $10 million dollars this year WR wise. My point is Berrian isn't worth $10 million this year, he's never had more than 75 catches, never had a 1,000 yard season, and never more than 6 tds in a season. This is his 5th year.... has there ever been a reciever to get paid $10 million for never putting up a 1,000 yard season after 4 years in the NFL?
massraider
Footballguy
No, but how many receivers EVER get $10 mill. All these salaries, every year, set new records. By the end of his deal, his salary won't be top 15.Right, he's not worth 10 mill.So what? His paycheck doesn't really matter to us, as fantasy owners.
H.K.
Footballguy
Comparatively, Javon Walker got $11 million to sign and has salaries of $1 million in 2008, $4 million in 2009, $6 million in 2010, $8 million in 2011 and $10 million in 2012 and 2013.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
So there we have it,...he's not worth the money he's being paid. Thats been my whole point, of how RIDICULOUS it is to be paying this sub-par reciever $10 million this season. Furthermore,...for the first game of the season, against DIVISION RIVALS, he nets 38 yards on 3 catches (with a 26 yd penalty his way)..... SO, instead of argueing whether or not Minn had the money or not to spend, answer the question. Do you think Bernard Berrian is/will be worth $10 million this season?
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massraider
Footballguy
Sure, kick a man when he's down.
massraider
Footballguy
No, I don't. Congratulations.I would add, these players are not in a vacuum, especially WRs.
Berrian never had a 1,000 yards. Well, yeah, he was in Chicago. If he had gotten 1,000 yards last year with Grossman at QB, he may have been eligible for early enshrinement in the Hall of Fame.
Berrian got open more than once, and Tarvaris missed him. If he got 100 yards and a TD, he still wouldn't be worth 10 mill this year.
Again I ask, so what?
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
Also think he's WAY overpaid,....but at least in his 5 seasons played (1 game played in 05') he's had 3 seasons with OVER 8 TD's and 2 seasons with OVER 1,000 yds. But yes,....Oak is ALSO overpaying a reciever.
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Vintage_Football
Footballguy
I find it ridiculous.....how can anyone think Berrian is worth $10 million this year. I'm done here.
the turnip
Footballguy
He still may stink up the place the rest of the year, but making the call after ONE week?
CLASSIC case of week one over-reaction.
Carson Palmer, QB rating of 32.3 - cut him? Hassekbeck, 53.9 - over.
Addai 44 yards - laughable if he's your #1 RB? I'd dump him now.
Sanatana Moss 37 yards; Tory Holt NINE YARDS receiving - nothing but dead weight on your roster now pal.
Ask us nine weeks from now?
CLASSIC case of week one over-reaction.
Carson Palmer, QB rating of 32.3 - cut him? Hassekbeck, 53.9 - over.
Addai 44 yards - laughable if he's your #1 RB? I'd dump him now.
Sanatana Moss 37 yards; Tory Holt NINE YARDS receiving - nothing but dead weight on your roster now pal.
Ask us nine weeks from now?
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Vintage_Football
Footballguy
Couple quick questions....from the players that you listed; have any of them put together stellar NFL seasons, to warrant faith they can regain their composure?? How many of them are getting paid less than $10 million this year?He still may stink up the place the rest of the year, but making the call after ONE week?
CLASSIC case of week one over-reaction.
Carson Palmer, QB rating of 32.3 - cut him? Hassekbeck, 53.9 - over.
Addai 44 yards - laughable if he's your #1 RB? I'd dump him now.
Sanatana Moss 37 yards; Tory Holt NINE YARDS receiving - nothing but dead weight on your roster now pal.
Ask us nine weeks from now?
massraider
Footballguy
Yes, your work is done. Good job, buddy.I look forward to your radical theory that the Raiders overpaid DeAngelo Hall.Vintage_Football said:
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
I could care less about the Raiders. I'm talking about Minnesota Vikings. I'm stating that i think it was a bad move to acquire Berrian for that much money. They could have got a Bryant Johnson and kept Troy Williamson for FAR LESS money, and IMHO would have got about the same production from them as they're going to get from Berrian.Plz hold your breath on the DHall theory
mikerandells
Footballguy
Yeah! why not he is worth able player.He was signed a contract for 42million$ for five years.Now its ok with that amount.
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massraider
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I am saying you aren't saying anything new.Check the thread when Berrian got signed. Not too many people thought it was a bargain.I am saying you are Captain Obvious.I could care less about the Raiders. I'm talking about Minnesota Vikings. I'm stating that i think it was a bad move to acquire Berrian for that much money. They could have got a Bryant Johnson and kept Troy Williamson for FAR LESS money, and IMHO would have got about the same production from them as they're going to get from Berrian.Plz hold your breath on the DHall theory
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
Janet said she just fell in the tapioca too,....it smells like bleach though, so i'm pretty sure she's lying.
Lord Lucan
Footballguy
Given Moss was never coming back this year, Berrian was the best WR available on the free agent market. I suppose you could have made a case for DJ Hackett, but he is less proven than Berrian and has never been able to stay healthy, and more importantly, not the established deep threat Berrian is. Beyond that, you were looking at the likes of Bryant Johnson, Justin Gage, Devery Henderson, Andre Davis, Drew Carter...
Many neutral observers thought prior to this year that the Vikings would be a legitimate SB contender this year if they could get some sort of passing game together. The biggest danger to them was the 8/9 men in the box that stifled their running game somewhat in the latter part of last season. Berrian was by far the best option available to stretch opposing defenses, as he is a legitimate threat. It might not work, but it was worth trying. They had the cap money so they got the guy they wanted. The amount paid to free agents is ridiculous, but so is the amount paid to the top few picks in the draft. It's just how the NFL works.
With opponents stacking the box, Peterson's YPC fell to below 3 over the last four games last year. If Berrian plays a big role in getting it back up to around 5ypc, is he worth the money then?
Many neutral observers thought prior to this year that the Vikings would be a legitimate SB contender this year if they could get some sort of passing game together. The biggest danger to them was the 8/9 men in the box that stifled their running game somewhat in the latter part of last season. Berrian was by far the best option available to stretch opposing defenses, as he is a legitimate threat. It might not work, but it was worth trying. They had the cap money so they got the guy they wanted. The amount paid to free agents is ridiculous, but so is the amount paid to the top few picks in the draft. It's just how the NFL works.
With opponents stacking the box, Peterson's YPC fell to below 3 over the last four games last year. If Berrian plays a big role in getting it back up to around 5ypc, is he worth the money then?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I could care less about the Raiders. I'm talking about Minnesota Vikings. I'm stating that i think it was a bad move to acquire Berrian for that much money. They could have got a Bryant Johnson and kept Troy Williamson for FAR LESS money, and IMHO would have got about the same production from them as they're going to get from Berrian.Plz hold your breath on the DHall theory
I won't be surprised if both of these guys are no longer in the NFL in two years. You usually get what you pay for.I didn't read any of the previous posts but c'mon... he has Tavaris Jackson tossing the rock. T.O/Moss would have a hard time having a solid season with him at the helm... cut berrian some slack, put him on a team with a good O-line, and a reliable QB and he's posting monster catches/yards/TD's
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
Hmmmm..... i watched the game....but i think i missed where Berrian caught all his catches...anyone have his stat line from week 2??
H.K.
Footballguy
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
The sad thing of it all is he went home and danced around a big pile of $10 MILLION DOLLARS!!!Way to go Bernard,....you really hosed em'
the turnip
Footballguy
The sad thing of it all is he went home and danced around a big pile of $10 MILLION DOLLARS!!!
Way to go Bernard,....you really hosed em'
Get over it?
Way to go Bernard,....you really hosed em'
Get over it?
NorrisB
Footballguy
Well he is on pace for 304 yards on the year not too bad
TitusIII
Footballguy
A burner like Berrian would/will be perfect for that offense if/when they find a QB that can take advantage of the stacked box. Jackson simply doesn't have the accuaracy to be that man, but I do believe the Vikings plan on letting him sink the ship. I hope Jackson can prove me wrong, because that offense would surely be fun to watch...
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