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What is James Conner’s value if Bell holds out or is traded? (1 Viewer)
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
I outbid several owners on him for $15, including the Bell owner who didn't think Bell would actually hold out this week. I was offered B Cooks for him by the Bell owner. 14 teams, non-PPR. He's strong at WR but no depth at all at RB behind Bell so some desperation there and he considers Cooks his WR4.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Anyone with an opinion on his dynasty value? I can get a 2020 2nd for him, wondering if I should get out while I can get something.
dagwood
Footballguy
I think Connor will be a good performer while Bell is holding out. But he is not Leveon Bell so don't expect him to be a top 5 in the league type back. As far as being a three down back. He caught 6 passes in his last preseason game and looked pretty good doing it.Chaka said:
I think the sneaky beneficiaries of a Bell holdout (especially in a PPR league) will be their WR's (Smith - Schuster and Brown) as they will have to throw the ball more to move the ball.
Still think Bell's holdout will not go too deep in the season, but who knows what will really happen. Not that easy to give up 900k per game.
All we know we with any level certainty is Connor is looking like the starter in week 1.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not saying he can't catch or anything but I am also not putting much stock in 30 college receptions and a preseason games. He'll probably be fine in that area but I consider it to still be an undecided issue.
Just traded Conner to the Bell owner for Kelce. (I was starting Doyle otherwise). Not sure if I made the right move, as I'm a bit thin at RB. But I figured this could be a sell-high opportunity right now, and I'd rather take the bird in the hand with Kelce than the speculative upside with Conner. So here you have one data point on Conner's current trade value.
This is not a dynasty league, but it is a keeper league. Kelce has no keeper value for next year; Conner would be a great keeper if he performs (and assuming Bell is somewhere else nxt year).
This is not a dynasty league, but it is a keeper league. Kelce has no keeper value for next year; Conner would be a great keeper if he performs (and assuming Bell is somewhere else nxt year).
Whizzinator
Footballguy
Connor is a lottery ticket, though one which has the advantage it likely either pays off or craps out in the next week or two, freeing up the roster spot.
If you can get him late in a draft (at a point where everyone is a gamble) or cheap in FA he's surely worth a hold for a week or two to see what develops. But odds are, he has one week's real value at this point.
If you can get him late in a draft (at a point where everyone is a gamble) or cheap in FA he's surely worth a hold for a week or two to see what develops. But odds are, he has one week's real value at this point.
I'm in need of some guidance here on a trade offered to me and any input would be greatly appreciated.
It's a 14-team Yahoo keeper PPR league with an auction-style draft ($200 budget minus keeper $). We have up to three keepers in which they would cost an additional $5 over the previous season acquisition amount. However, we also have an option where you can restrict a player and what happens is that player is thrown into a separate auction draft before the main draft and the other owners make their bids with the original owner having the option to either let the player go (for whatever the bid comes to) or keep him for $1 over the price the player fetches in the restricted draft.
My RBs are Barkley ($91 next season keeper price, likely around $70-80 if restricted), Drake, Powell, L. Murray, Gore
My WRs: Jeffrey, Gordon, R. Matthews, Richardson Jr
His RBs: Conner ($6 keeper price), A. Morris, Riddick, Ekeler, Sproles
His WRs: OBJ, Brown, A Cooper ($36 keeper price), Dede Westbrook ($8 keeper price)
Here's the offer: Conner, Amari Cooper and Westbrook for Barkley
He says his offer is good because without Bell in the mix Conner is potentially a lower RB1/high RB2 (low keeper price) and Cooper is poised for a big rebound (will still be worth keeper price).
Any thoughts? Thank you in advance
It's a 14-team Yahoo keeper PPR league with an auction-style draft ($200 budget minus keeper $). We have up to three keepers in which they would cost an additional $5 over the previous season acquisition amount. However, we also have an option where you can restrict a player and what happens is that player is thrown into a separate auction draft before the main draft and the other owners make their bids with the original owner having the option to either let the player go (for whatever the bid comes to) or keep him for $1 over the price the player fetches in the restricted draft.
My RBs are Barkley ($91 next season keeper price, likely around $70-80 if restricted), Drake, Powell, L. Murray, Gore
My WRs: Jeffrey, Gordon, R. Matthews, Richardson Jr
His RBs: Conner ($6 keeper price), A. Morris, Riddick, Ekeler, Sproles
His WRs: OBJ, Brown, A Cooper ($36 keeper price), Dede Westbrook ($8 keeper price)
Here's the offer: Conner, Amari Cooper and Westbrook for Barkley
He says his offer is good because without Bell in the mix Conner is potentially a lower RB1/high RB2 (low keeper price) and Cooper is poised for a big rebound (will still be worth keeper price).
Any thoughts? Thank you in advance
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matttyl
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The General
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Huh, good idea. I just offered Conner for Kelce as well.
The main obstacle may be that the Bell owner pays so little attention that Bell is still in his starting lineup.
The main obstacle may be that the Bell owner pays so little attention that Bell is still in his starting lineup.
Wrong play. You just called his attention to the situation.
Should have waited till Tuesday, let him see that giant 0.0 next to Bell with the big red “O” and THEN let him see your Conner for Kelce offer...
My advice is to hold on and let him gain more valuedrm1125 said:
Brown's. Good stats
Chiefs....defense is decimated
Bucs.....no Winston, doesn't really matter. Good stats
After week 3, his value will double
I will also add, I don't own bell in any of my 7 dynasties, but I own Conner in 5 of them
My thoughts are that the Steelers are tired of the being held hostage, not an org. To eff arojnd with. Remember how Ben got in line after being a predator?
The other thjjng.....i like Conner. A lot. Have liked him since he came into the league. Just his ability to over come cancer and then his injury in college won me over.
I also notice a difference in his body from last year. He looks like he made a similar transition body wise that bell made after his first year.
Up to you on trading him, but his first 3 weeks will take his value higher.
I am in for the longg run.....heavily invested obviously
skinfanjon
Footballguy
This guy gets it. Now is not the time to sell in dynasty. If you're a contender, you're either hoping for Bell to get traded, or sit out until week 10. If it's the former, you're probably not selling. If it's the latter, you sell to a bad team right around the time Bell comes back.
I noticed that body transformation too. Hes noticably leaner and more chiseled. Appeared quicker in the preseason to my eye than his college tape shows too.
stubby
Footballguy
14 team, standard, redraft...start 1 RB, 3 WR, and one Flex WR/RBThe General said:
Conner was my waiver wire pickup last week. He was my 5th RB.
I traded Conner to the Bell owner and received Golden Tate in return. I asked for Diggs (of course always ask for more than you think you're going to get), he countered with Garcon, and we settled on Tate. Tate will now be my #2 WR (unless you think Corey Davis or Kupp are better.)
Could I have held out for more? Sure....but if Bell reports tomorrow or Saturday, my leverage drops immediately. I'm pretty happy with the trade.
The General
Footballguy
That’s a good trade for you I think. Doubt the guy in my league will go for it, equivalent would be asking for D Thomas which I thought about.
If he hasn’t shown and Conner looks ok I’ll send it out.
I’m just not buying he is willing to flush 8-9 mil.
Weebs210
Footballguy
The appeal is TE designation on Yahoo. Big ifs here but if Bell holds out and Conners was injured... having a starting RB you put in your TE spot would be huge
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
You're not wrong that people may be jumping the gun a bit on him being a 3 down back, but the 30 receptions in 39 games thing is a little misleading as his role in the passing game increased throughout his college career. 21 receptions in his final season is pretty solid in college. And yes it's preseason but it definitely seemed like they were giving him a tryout as a receiver there and he seemed to pass it.
I do agree with you though that it is a risk that's being overlooked somewhat.
Chaka
Footballguy
Jordan Howard has caught 29 & 23 passes iver the past two seasons and everyone hates him as a receiver.
And, frankly if you look at his game logs he had one horrible game vs the Giants (8 targets 1 reception) and has been, in the worst analysis, average at worst in 31 other games (69% rate, 7.7 ypr). But no one is having any of that now, are they?
So, again, I don't think we can say much about Conner just yet.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
NFL receptions are very different than college receptions.
In addition to the obvious that there are fewer games in college than the NFL (hence fewer total receptions) the offenses are just designed to throw to RBs less. You look at the guys that are catching 80+ balls in the NFL and they are guys that had 35-40 receptions in a season in college. Le'Veon never exceeded 35 in a season. There are only two RBs in the entire NFL that ever caught more than 50 passes in a college season (remarkably one of them is Jay Ajayi).
Howard had half as many receptions (11) in his final/best college season as Conner did.
Like I said I agree with you generally. Conner was certainly not a Bell/Kamara/McCaffrey type player in college that was catching 30-40 passes in a season. But you are taking college receiving numbers out of context a bit. His final season was a few less receptions than Sony Michel's career best reception total in a college season.
The General
Footballguy
streamkeeper
Footballguy
I’m am trying to get Freeman for him. The Bell owner is pondering it.
When you said the Steelers have only Ridley and a fullback, I literally thought you either forgot about Samuels or didn't know of him. The tape I saw of Samuels vs Tennessee, he didn't look anything like a fullback. He looked smooth and fast, and very natural both running and receiving. Not at all fullback ish.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
No, I was indeed referring to Samuels as their fullback (I guess I should have mentioned Nix, their actual fullback, who doesn't figure into this at all IMHO). Samuels did indeed play at fullback (among other positions) in college. My views on him being more of a COP/pass catching back are above and does not change the fact that I don't think he presents a meaningful challenge to Conner's carries.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I don't. Either do you. Given the paucity of real-game usage, we can definitely agree he has yet to prove it. But I'll cite three reasons why I think he is a 3-down back:
1) Has a great, bruising downhill style for pure running downs and solid balance and churn for short yard situations
2) Has soft, quality hands (especially on wheels, passes in the flat, swings, etc. -- see this preseason game vs TEN)
3) Sound pass pro who contributes on passing downs
We'll see.
Doug B
Footballguy
Not a lot to go on, but the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ran this Wednesday:
Conner caught 21 balls in 13 games during his last season in college (U of Pittsburgh).
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Only a size & body-type comparison: Conner is built almost exactly like former 49er Roger Craig. Craig also hardly ever caught passes in Tom Osborne's offense at Nebraska. But he went on to become one of the top pass-catching backs of his era. Not saying Conner will do THAT, of course. Just that it's not hopeless
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Underachievers
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
I thought I couched it enough to make clear I wasn't saying "James Conner will play like Roger Craig".
Doug B
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
102 and 2 TDs, getting targets in the passing game with 3 for 32 so far, leading all backs.
RB1 value.
RB1 value.
timschochet
Footballguy
3 down back.
Gets stronger as the game goes on, can handle as many carries as you give him.
Speed, power and moves.
Can catch the ball in the flat and upfield.
Great offensive line.
Dynamic, scoring offense.
The answer to the OP’s question: if Bell stays out or is traded, Conner is worth as much to fantasy as anyone in this league.
Gets stronger as the game goes on, can handle as many carries as you give him.
Speed, power and moves.
Can catch the ball in the flat and upfield.
Great offensive line.
Dynamic, scoring offense.
The answer to the OP’s question: if Bell stays out or is traded, Conner is worth as much to fantasy as anyone in this league.
Cleveland was 31st in yards allowed last year. Conner looked stiff and non-elusive, last year. He's no Bell, but he's in a great situation.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
One game, calm down. He did well minus the fumble. I have no skin in the game so doesn't matter to meWell ...
Gopher State
Footballguy
Bell who?
DreamTheater
Footballguy
Before yesterdays kickoff -
I offered the Bell owner Connor and Shepard for Carson and A Cooper.
Kind of happy he said no at this point...
I offered the Bell owner Connor and Shepard for Carson and A Cooper.
Kind of happy he said no at this point...
Last year is in the past! The guy I saw yesterday is a talented RB and can be very good in that offense
31st in TOTAL yards...yes.
Cleveland was actually #7 against the run in 2017 and only allowed 98 yards per game.
Just saying.
